So many people always think Spike didn’t want his soul back. It was a mislead, but Spike went to that specific demon and went through the trial to get his soul back. He wanted to give Buffy “what she deserved” and he thought she would love him if he was worthy and had a soul.
No he didn't. He went there to become what he used to be. He initially meant: before the chip. So he could kill her. He said that he wanted to give her what she deserved, but in an angry way. He was sick and tired to being so bound. Having to balance between his good and evil side constantly. He choose evil. Then later on they changed the narrative so people would think he wanted to get his soul back out of love.
@ He could have killed Buffy with the chip, so it doesn't work that way. What would removing the chip ultimately change? All the changes that happened to him weren't because of the chip, they were because he wanted to change. Ultimately, it was all in his head, the chip wasn't bothering him at this point. There was no need to go to Africa and find a powerful demon to remove the chip.
@@hk8414 I'm not sure that this argument holds because from episode 9 of season 6 (Smashed), Spike discovers that he can hit Buffy without having a headache and moreover he does not deprive himself of it in the 'episode. So if he wanted to, he could kill her. In the monologues of the penultimate episode, when Spike mentions the chip, he says that it is because he got to this point, but in reality, it is his own feelings for Buffy that changed him and that Drusilla perceived it before. What's more, Spike wasn't going to see a demon and undergo tests to ask him to remove his chip... We better understand his intention at the end of episode 2 of season 7, in the church. It's the scriptwriting that wanted the viewer to believe that Spike was talking about his chip to keep the surprise of the finale with the recovery of his soul. ;)
@@hk8414 he went for his soul, that's what he meant by "the man I used to be", he didnt say "the demon I used to be" which is what he would have said had he meant the chip, also, wouldnt need to go through all that for a chip removal, there are so many neurosurgeons around the world, and im sure even in Sunnyvale.
I know. people dont think logically - he wouldnt need to go to the ends of the earth and search out a demon (or "Legend" as he later calls it) and go through "to-the-death" trials just to get a chip removed from his head. Neurosurgeons do exist, even in the Buffyverse (as we have seen in multiple episodes).
Xander was the only one who could possibly get through to Willow here, because he had known the weak, nerdy version of her from the beginning and loved her all along. She didn't see any value in that version of herself, and everyone else in her life had only known the more confident person she became since meeting Buffy. As Restless revealed, she feared that her new self was only a costume over the pathetic nerd, and that was the root of her magic addiction, as she expressed in Wrecked. "If you could be, you know, plain old Willow or super-Willow, who would you be?"
I remember thinking it was lame (afterschool special like) that love saved everyone and now with more life experience, I break down into tears every time.
I cant believe so many people think that Spike was tricked into getting his soul back, not realizing he went purposely for that, not the chip - I mean if you want technology removed from a human body you wouldnt need to go to the ends of the earth and find a demon who makes you go through trials and such - you would just go find a neurosurgeon. The soul is what would take that much effort duh.
Yes, but he's made some serious mistakes over the past seasons, and I'm not sure that this story completely justifies him. Just as Spike has done a lot of good things over the past seasons, and some of them weren't at all for Buffy's approval (in fact, I don't think any of his actions were ever intended to please Buffy), does that justify what he tried to do to Buffy and, ultimately, not just to her? At least Spike has an excuse, though.
@@ThePowerDromeWillow manipulated her girlfriend and friends minds, tried beating Buffy to death and literally tried to destroy the world. No one in this show is perfect and to try and put Xander on this pedestal of wrongness is nonsense.
@@MrSupertallblackman I'm not saying he's the worst. He's just one of those guys who did the wrong things and said the wrong things. He's not a thief, he really didn't do anything like that. But he was an important part of the team, he's one of the Scoobies, he's the metaphorical heart of Buffy, and so his words and actions mattered immensely.
Giles contributed too. He knew Willow was going to steal his magic, so he made sure his magic came from a source of humanity. So that Willow could get a little bit of her humanity back and that made a little opening for Xander's words to get through her dark side. But I think neither Giles nor Xander knew about the other one's role in this. Xander being the hero in this arc, and him going up against the maybe most powerful villain they have ever faced with no weapons whatsoever, and winning, was just so so beautiful.
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So many people always think Spike didn’t want his soul back. It was a mislead, but Spike went to that specific demon and went through the trial to get his soul back. He wanted to give Buffy “what she deserved” and he thought she would love him if he was worthy and had a soul.
No he didn't. He went there to become what he used to be. He initially meant: before the chip. So he could kill her. He said that he wanted to give her what she deserved, but in an angry way. He was sick and tired to being so bound. Having to balance between his good and evil side constantly. He choose evil.
Then later on they changed the narrative so people would think he wanted to get his soul back out of love.
@ He could have killed Buffy with the chip, so it doesn't work that way. What would removing the chip ultimately change? All the changes that happened to him weren't because of the chip, they were because he wanted to change. Ultimately, it was all in his head, the chip wasn't bothering him at this point. There was no need to go to Africa and find a powerful demon to remove the chip.
@@hk8414 I'm not sure that this argument holds because from episode 9 of season 6 (Smashed), Spike discovers that he can hit Buffy without having a headache and moreover he does not deprive himself of it in the 'episode. So if he wanted to, he could kill her. In the monologues of the penultimate episode, when Spike mentions the chip, he says that it is because he got to this point, but in reality, it is his own feelings for Buffy that changed him and that Drusilla perceived it before. What's more, Spike wasn't going to see a demon and undergo tests to ask him to remove his chip... We better understand his intention at the end of episode 2 of season 7, in the church. It's the scriptwriting that wanted the viewer to believe that Spike was talking about his chip to keep the surprise of the finale with the recovery of his soul. ;)
@@hk8414 he went for his soul, that's what he meant by "the man I used to be", he didnt say "the demon I used to be" which is what he would have said had he meant the chip, also, wouldnt need to go through all that for a chip removal, there are so many neurosurgeons around the world, and im sure even in Sunnyvale.
I know. people dont think logically - he wouldnt need to go to the ends of the earth and search out a demon (or "Legend" as he later calls it) and go through "to-the-death" trials just to get a chip removed from his head. Neurosurgeons do exist, even in the Buffyverse (as we have seen in multiple episodes).
Xander was the only one who could possibly get through to Willow here, because he had known the weak, nerdy version of her from the beginning and loved her all along. She didn't see any value in that version of herself, and everyone else in her life had only known the more confident person she became since meeting Buffy.
As Restless revealed, she feared that her new self was only a costume over the pathetic nerd, and that was the root of her magic addiction, as she expressed in Wrecked.
"If you could be, you know, plain old Willow or super-Willow, who would you be?"
This scene, right here, is why I can NEVER hate Xander.
I remember thinking it was lame (afterschool special like) that love saved everyone and now with more life experience, I break down into tears every time.
Guys.... I know that "Willow cries, we cry."
But HOW DID I JUST CRY AT 6 REACTIONS IN A ROW?!?!? 😭😭😭
WHAT SORCERY IS THIS?!?
It’s funny because everyone thought spike was going to get his chip out. Surprise!
yeah, no one questioned why he would need to go to that great of lengths for something that a neurosurgeon could do, they just go with assumptions.
I cant believe so many people think that Spike was tricked into getting his soul back, not realizing he went purposely for that, not the chip - I mean if you want technology removed from a human body you wouldnt need to go to the ends of the earth and find a demon who makes you go through trials and such - you would just go find a neurosurgeon. The soul is what would take that much effort duh.
Liam Catterson has to my favourite reaction to this moment. This includes his after thought analysis too. ❤
Yeah Xander didn't have any power, he just tapped into willow's human side.
Yes, but he's made some serious mistakes over the past seasons, and I'm not sure that this story completely justifies him. Just as Spike has done a lot of good things over the past seasons, and some of them weren't at all for Buffy's approval (in fact, I don't think any of his actions were ever intended to please Buffy), does that justify what he tried to do to Buffy and, ultimately, not just to her? At least Spike has an excuse, though.
@@ThePowerDromeWillow manipulated her girlfriend and friends minds, tried beating Buffy to death and literally tried to destroy the world. No one in this show is perfect and to try and put Xander on this pedestal of wrongness is nonsense.
@@MrSupertallblackman I'm not saying he's the worst. He's just one of those guys who did the wrong things and said the wrong things. He's not a thief, he really didn't do anything like that. But he was an important part of the team, he's one of the Scoobies, he's the metaphorical heart of Buffy, and so his words and actions mattered immensely.
Giles contributed too. He knew Willow was going to steal his magic, so he made sure his magic came from a source of humanity. So that Willow could get a little bit of her humanity back and that made a little opening for Xander's words to get through her dark side.
But I think neither Giles nor Xander knew about the other one's role in this. Xander being the hero in this arc, and him going up against the maybe most powerful villain they have ever faced with no weapons whatsoever, and winning, was just so so beautiful.
you can't stop violence with violence...you can only stop it with love.
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