you don't need to speculate about drugs....they're literally at a rave....it's like going to bar & being surprised there's people having a drink. no one hides the fact either
Lucy is tired because it’s exhausting to have to deal with and cover up a drug deal that has gone wrong and events that she’s involved in are spiralling
Yes, "off" means "from" in this instance. It's actually quite common in the UK for people to say"got a call off" even though it's not grammatically correct.
My suspicion was triggered soon as I read that another guy had gone missing on holiday so soon after the missing TV doctor - they messed up a drug deal and are using the ‘gone missing’ story to cover up and escape.
Just discovered this facinating analysis of Lucy's statement. Agree Lucy negating her involvement , no reason for go fund me. (possibly greed, this may show detachment from Jay, or she knew exactly what he was doing?) However, if she left early how did she know Jay left with two gentlemen and that jays destination was miles away from civilisation and in a very secluded location? Additional information on the story: 1) Jays parents said he was a very streetwise teenager and was sensible why would he walk in the opposite direction to his intended destination? 2) Jays stepfather said he never walked anywhere, even if a trip was a few hundred yards he would ask for a ride. If this is the case why would he embark on an 11 hour walk? 3) If Jay was going to get the bus, then it follows he had money, one has to ask why did he not call in at the local resturaunt where he may have been able to charge his phone and buy a drink? 4) If as Jay's parents "he was a sensible boy he wouldn't just wander off", if this statement is to be believed then why would he not stay on the road where he could have hitched a ride or got help from the many hikers along the well travelled route, apparently there are many hiker's and vehicles that travel that route. 5) It was reported that a neighbour of the airb&b whom Jay had asked when the next bus was due going south to his intended destination had driven past Jay walking on the road in the wrong direction e.g. into the mountains and not in the direction Jay asked of the bus which he had asked about. Was Jays asking about the bus travelling south intended deception on jays behalf should the police enquire later? 6) If the neighbour saw Jay walking in the wrong direction into rugged terrain, might they have stopped to ask if he was okay, or if Jay was the sensible, streetwise kid, as per-ported by his parent and Jay in the phone call to Lucy at 08:30 said he had no water, his phone was on 1% and had an injury would he have not flagged down the vehicle? 7) There are deep inconsistencies in the time lines of reported events! 8) The later information regarding Jay having stolen a Rolex may be a diversion in an attempt to explain why he was discovered walking in the wrong direction after asking the neighbour for the bus times going in the opposite direction. I could go on for hours on this subject and the inconsistances. Of course my analysis of the information and statements could be erroneous if peoples statements or reported facts were wrong.
His mother knew he was going out to sell drug's for the weekend festival and he was helping himself and not paying for it so now he is in trouble because he is not the gangster person he thinks he is maybe at home but always someone else who is further up the chain and you don't mess around with that. Lucy also lying about where he was too police and searches don't have a chance when lucy has not told the truth. The 30,000 is money he owed the gangsters for taking drug's and not paying. Fact
The gofundme now says it’s for Debbie his mum, but initially when it was set up it wasn’t. If you look at Lucy’s first interview she does a Freudian slip and says “we” then quickly changes it to “I” so who’s the we? She definitely knows more than she’s saying.
She was able to use an app and find his location. Concerned she eventually made her way to the B&B where the older men staying.. the B&B owner seemed a little suspicious also.
Someone answered this elsewhere, apparently wherever you are if you dial 999 or 911 in another country it still connects you to emergency services in that Country (I am presuming the UK and USA aren't special and the same thing works with all countries emergency numbers) so I am thinking that probably having seen a lot of American TV she opted for 911 thinking that is the emergency number for everywhere outside the UK, and it just connected her. That's my guess.
I always find it strange when someone sets a go fund me straight away before they have even had a chance to realise he was actually missing and its a serious situation!!
Man, You want to think the best?...what is the truth?...is this a "fake reality?"....the rescue, all hours...search party's ?....The hidious background of personality?....
I didn’t even set up one after a terrible thing happened to me and I could not work more for months. And I am alone. No financial support of a husband or so. I read he lost drug money and used too much drugs. And now he owes them 20k and that they all know where he is
Same thing happened with Nikki Bulley ,Emma Whjte started a go fund me for 100k on Feb3rd Nikki was just missing then and wasn't found until. two weeks..week deceased.People were so angry she was made to take it down.Why would anyone set up a go fund me when they don't know where the person is.
The second I heard lucy talking on a news interveiw,I knew she was lying and up to something-from what I can gather is she was as the connection between a gang of drug dealers and jay ,getting a rucksack of drugs off them that she gave to jay to sell at the festival,but apparently jay tucked into it and used a lot got really wasted and lost the rest,meaning he owed ALOT of money and lucy was going to be the one to have to tell the dealers that,so her and jay had a row and she left to distance herself from it all and make some dreaded calls ! Jay took off with two guys who offered to hide him in their remote bed and brekkie,he took a pic to proove to her he wasn’t at the party and told her he was as lost and had no batt cos she was as going mad at him to get back to her and face this ,I think he scarpered and is faking going missing so he dosent get beat up ,and she has set up the go fund me to cover the bill ,30 grand! The mum knows she did the fakest interveiw ever ,fake sniffs ,no tears saying he was such a good boy despite him nearly killing someone in the uk and being in gangs and dealing ! I think he is just hiding out or jumped on a diff bus / boat ,his mum has even had threats since she arrived in tenerife
The mum's death threats aren't real. How could they use the same photo he snap chatted in the morning. I think Jay has done a bunk not to get beaten up. I think she told Jay to lie low with the two English guys. I think he left hurriedly as he was worried he'd get discovered. I don't believe he's dead. . I think they intend to set up new druggie business with 30k Go Fun Me
She's a drug peddler that found the villa in the middle of nowhere where there's no civilisation. So she knew address and the boys as she knocked on door and spoke to them. They should have checked out Monday. Why didn't they.
Small time criminals thinking they can keep doing what they do on a first time holiday abroad in a place they know little about then find themselves mixing with the big boys and end up way out of their depth - Then things go horribly wrong
Its my opinion that this is Drug related.. if it was true that he had no phone or water common sense would have told him to stay at the Bus stop where his friends could have given the Police a point of pick up...this case doesn't make sense..l've be delving more into Lucy...thanks for another great analysis Peter.👌
Peter, you must analyse the video interview with his mother, and how conclusive she is about him being abducted. Similarly there are videos of Lucy retelling her gofundme tale over and over verbatim. Red flags 🚩🚩
The fact that she feels the need to tell us that she visited a holiday location for a Holiday started my spidy senses tingling .. As she is trying to tell us that she was not on the island for other reasons. i.e the real reason . The rest is rather bi-polar , swinging between including herself and distancing herself. Police should grab her, seize her phone and passport and find out what she is hiding .
This statement appears to have been put together by more than one person. From the TV interview, Lucy sounds young, yet here uses words/ phrases such as " aware of his surroundings/ desperately needed/miles from civilization/secluded location/frantically" that sound like they came from an older person embellishing/re-writing Lucy's words for dramatic effect/authenticity/to underline the gravity of the situation. While I understand in such a case, close family members would need to scramble to book flights/take time off work to go to Tenerife which would cost money, I'd like to think in a genuine missing person case, you'd just put it on a credit card and sort things like paid holiday later and focus on finding the guy before crowd funding....
“ Civilization” is the American spelling. I don’t know why she used the American spelling. Perhaps she is a sad product of the failing education in English in the UK education system.
Lucy is a well known drug mule , she had introduced Jay to that World but he messed up on his first attempt , he lost a rucksack with £17K of drugs in it , gang is holding him until it's paid back, they appear to be treating him well, fed,washed and watching the Euros Football with him.
When lucy left alone where was the other friend also why as the other friend not spoke out🤔 Jay was 💯 off his head on drugs at the rave, it stood out a mile. He has past with drugs. The last thing on my mind would be to set up a go fund me, i would be out looking and not leave the place he was last seen until i found him.
Lucy makes regular 'trips' to Tenerif. Locals are saying she's a drugs mule. What's the betting she got this county lines drug dealer kid involved. Lucy is up to her neck involved in his disappearance.
Is it a possibility that the 'Go Fund Me' request is to pay off a debt - or is a ransom - to get him released from whoever might be holding him, due to a drug 'deal' gone wrong?
There is nothing “allegedly” about him and his gang mates wielding a machete and attacking a young lad….he did do it….he was found guilty in a British criminal court. There is however rumour that him going missing is retribution for that earlier crime!! He apparently has a lot of enemies!
@@michaeljones1445I live 2 mile away from them, general concensus locally is not revenge.. But more dealing, lost drugs and a debt needing to be paid... Is Lucy the facilitator between a gang and the dealers, which Jay was possibly doing at this festival?
I’ve also noticed that Lucy has said the Spanish police aren’t doing enough, said that the British police are refusing to help when they have offered, but the Spanish police have said they have the resources to do the job. This to me indicates that she’s trying to take any shade away from her and trying to lay blame anywhere else and away from her.
There's a quote from Lucy in the daily mail criticizing the police for not speaking english. As long as they are searching to the best of their ability, it doesnt matter if they don't speak english, they are not english. They can't help not speaking English, they are Spanish! She said, " They don't even speak english"
i mean of course it matters...how else do you think they're gonna get info from all the people (mostly english) who knew him & saw him last? you need a good grasp of not just the language but how it ties into behaviours, hence why it's criminal they didn't get a translator till the 3rd day. Spain has literally been full of brits in touristic areas for decades, youd' expect translators to be on hand
Pumped and dumped - drunk , maybe pills taken - not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree , of a generation that cant find the corner shop without help from their phones - any of these factors would be a recipe for disaster
He was seen at a bus stop at 8, and was lost in the mountains dying of thirst by 8.30. This whole story stinks, either someone disappeared him because of whatever he’s involved in, or it’s a go fund me scam in my opinion.
@@caroleforshaw6287to take a shortcut? I have been in Spain where the road winds along the ravines. If you walk down the ravine and up again it is a much shorter distance
This lad does seem to have a criminal past and possible substance misuse. This also echos the story of Micheal Mosley and his unfortunate walk home. Something very suspicious about the whole issue
My hunch is that he is alive and well and it was a planned 'missing persons' to avoid some kind of danger of others.... or jail time or debt, and is now in another country.
It’s not jail he’s avoiding. He was given community service by a soft Judge for the machete attack on another lad he took part in. More likely drugs debt or stealing from a drug dealer.
More like Sodom and Gomorrah, amirite. It didn't used to be like that. What a low bar for behaviour getting rare holidays to Tenerife and partying with his recent offending.
There’s a story floating around alledging that all 3 were selling drugs at the festival for big time drug dealers. Apparently it’s Lucy who recruits some of them, Jay being on his first job, but he consumed a lot of the drugs and lost his ‘bag of drugs’, resulting in the situation now. It’s an interesting story and makes sense in many ways, however I’m not sure how credible the source and story is. I saw the post of Facebook tonight
@@7547JAMES I agree...a young lad being given a bag of coke and E {?} probably ''got high on his own supply'' - he looks zammo'd on one of the vids at the 'rave'.... if he lost the drugs he could be in trouble. They do seem to be small time dealers - I once found a bag of ''UPS'' in the street {Europe} a few years ago - I handed them in to police that were about as it was a weekend....I didn't want them personally, and didn't want kids finding them.
Interesting 🤔 That's a brilliant comment, thank you. Considering we keep hearing that he didn't actually arrange the trip and wasn't very keen to go initially .... Why not? Was she the one who arranged it, I wonder? Could it even be related to his machete attack? Certainly, there's something missing in this story 🤨🇬🇧
Thank you for covering this. It is extremely hot and dry there with very rough terrain. If he wasn’t carrying water, unfortunately his chances of surviving this long are not good. Unfortunately drugs are easily accessible also. I hope they find him. 🙏💙🙏
If the narrative postulated by his “friend” is true, then sadly Jay is extremely likely to have died on that day, and his body is yet to be found. If the narrative in false, and Jay is at another location and this is a scam of some order, then he may well be alive. For his and his family’s sakes, I hope that the latter is the truth
@@clairegreenwood1910as in, youse, plural of you. Read Irvine Welsh if you can lol I would love to see you streaming that if you think British people are misusing terms instead of learning colloquiallisms by asking questions or even paying the slightest interest, instead of presuming.
Yes it does seem odd that she has not given her surname and doesent want to be interviewed what ever has happened to him !!!!!! she clearly doesent want to be identified !!!!!
My senses flew off the charts when I was watching Lucy’s interview. She said Tuesday in the interview, that she immediately called 911, on Monday morning to report him missing. She claimed that right after explaining to the interviewer that she told Jay to “stay where you are, I will come to pick you up” Wouldn’t you try to find him before reporting him missing? Well the emergency number here is 112. Not 911, How can you forget something so important in 24 hrs?…don’t sit right with me. Then she claims the police said they’d send a helicopter out to search for him. When does LE do that from a single phone call? When she was interviewed on screen, she had her back to the camera. Concealing her identity. Something is wrong, I don’t appreciate the way she’s trashing on the emergency services. I get the frustration. Yet all our guys are out there. We have 3 tiers of police here Local, National and Guardia, and they’re all out there searching. Including mountain rescue, and fire department. Shame is that Jay has an abundance of fruit out there and probably doesn’t even know it. These barrancos are full of cactus, with fruits known as “prickly pear” to some. Jay probably went to get more drugs from their apartment after paying them. Probably expecting to drive back with them all. The guys have been questioned and left the island on Tuesday when given the go ahead. There is a very short video of Jay at the club, and his jaw is uncontrollable. I’m not proud to admit, yet I was young once too, and in my experience, he was definitely on something illegal. It’s sad. I do think they’ll find him. Yet I don’t think it will be a rescue. Sad.
She and Jay went together to Tenerife. They went to a 48 hour "rave", where drinks, drugs and loud music were the intent. Lucy has one glaring lie in her Go-fund-me appeal. Jay went back to a "cheap bed & breakfast" house when the rave ended. He was with 2 other guys. He was seen and spoken to the next day. I've looked at Jays criminal record and it is attrocious. He's a drug dealer and has committed many attacks on others, one where he used a machete. I'm convinced that Jay and Lucy planned his disappearance and gfm money scam. Go-fund-me has announced that it will not release any money until they have spoken to some relevant people.
@@lauraspear434 how do you know this ? If she Lucy has done this before that does seem odd. It would be sad if this is indeed a scam , then others that really need help won’t get it 😢
Yep and the Russians are arming and bills are being passed and a meteor is on its way. Nicola Bulley was a hoax too. Strange coroner's report. Witnesses lies remain unquestioned. Spouse timeline is up the spout.
@@JM-The_Curious No evidence she slipped in the river. Coroner could not determine where. Fitbit conflicts with coroners report. I think that was a staged event too. I think drugs is the common denominator in both cases.
Maybe Jay was not functioning well after the long festival weekend, partying, and whatever might have gone on at the apartment with the two older men. Seems odd that he opted to set out on a ten hour walk to his hotel because he missed the bus, rather than wait just ten minutes for the next bus - apparently the bus runs every ten minutes and the bus stop is next to the apartment where the two men were staying. Why didn’t he call for a taxi, or ask someone to call a taxi for him, rather than walk until he has only 1% charge on his phone? Did he intentionally walk ‘until’ only 1% remained, then intentionally disappear?, That could sound like a plan, but if so, whose plan - Jay’s, Lucy’s, unnamed others? I wonder if he was so anxious to get away that he would not wait for the next bus, or if he just was not feeling well and didn’t realise he was so very far from his hotel. Lucy’s GoFundMe does raise questions - my first thought was that she was narrative building rather than simply saying that Jay is missing, and we need help to pay for flights and accommodation for his family, or whatever - but she doesn’t specify how the fund will be used. It raises questions as to why really was she there - was there a reason (GoFundMe) beyond attending the festival? Did Jay go willingly with the older men, or was he taken? Seems odd he would leave with two new much older acquaintances, at night, without a friend. What type of friends let him go - did they - or was he taken? Lucy had already left, so she can say it was nothing to do with her, and it may not have had anything to do with her. Still, she felt like explaining it. Guilt or alibi? Why does she say the area is “far from civilisation”, when there are at least apartments, a shop, and a bus service which runs at ten minute intervals? Hardly a lone shack in the mountains, even if it is off the beaten track - the bus is civilisation. I think it doesn’t look good for Jay - his mother will travel to Tenerife, just to sit in the hotel, but she won’t even visit the search area, or see where her son last was known to have been. Might as well sit at home and wait for news, IMO. Fifteen family members and friends are gathered in Tenerife, so maybe the GoFundMe is to finance all of them - seems like a lot, but Tenerife is nice at this time of year. Jay does have a serious crime in his past, and some speculate that his disappearance could be payback for what he and his friends did to the boy they attacked. I think it’s likely he wanted to get away from the men in haste, and probably was under the influence of drugs and/or alcohol. There could have been a plan, but maybe not the one he anticipated, if he did. I don’t know. I hope he is found safe, even if he is partying on the other side of the island - seems unlikely after five days, unless he’s part of a GoFundMe scam. I would think that, except it seems dark for two older men to take a young boy they had just met to their apartment, miles across the island, late at night. They could have done something to him, left him unfit to make his way home.
@@jewelssunsun9450 Yes, I’ve also read that since commenting. A two hour interval does seem more likely for a bus service in a remote location. Pity he didn’t wait, poor lad.
In terms of the excess information, she also said that, "One of the people he has met has hired a car out of here, so he's driven them back to his apartment and Jay has gone there not realising how far away it is." Seems like all of this including the hire car information is quite detailed for someone who only spoke to Jay when his battery was on 1 percent and he was lost. There is quite a detailed back story which does appear pre-emptive. There's also the new photo of her partying next to Jay in the night club which is said to be from the early hours of the morning (although the police are keeping the exact timing rather close to their chests). She said she 'left early' but did not specify what time this was.
Again, according to 'the media', Jay's mother was initially against the GoFundMe account, which Lucy opened without any communication with the family. However it appears Jay's mum changed her mind even though the British embassy is apparently financially supporting the families trip to Tenerife. So, why would she change her mind? Could it be that the exact GoFundMe sum request of £30,000 is coincidentally the same amount as the ransom for Jay's return and that Lucy had to explain that to Jay's mother, and if so might account for anomalous responses in interviews by the parents? The exact sum of £30,000 is mentioned in the detailed text message sent via social media, and related to the eight young drug traffickers whose lives are (it claimed) in great danger if the money isn't returned... Lucy has not shown us her face neither has she offered her full name. The video is named 'UA-cam Asylum', and is 4 days old. I encourage you to kindly watch, if you can please.
i mean this is the kids first time abroad without his parents...so lol i doubt he's selling drugs when the locals/brits who live in these areas easily dominate this area themselves. but the guy has a shady past for sure
It didn't make sense to me why he would choose to walk 10 hours over mountain terrain instead of waiting for 2 hours for the next bus so I was suspicious straight away. Plus the fact he didn't get water at the apartment he went to and allegedly had a leg wound and didn't shower there or anything. The whole thing stinks IMO
I agree. I'm sure he could have charged his phone there too. Why did those guys (aged between 35-40) let him leave like that, with no water & no usable phone? Why didn't Jay go back there & ask if he could stay there until the next bus came? Would you really choose to go on a 10 hour walk, in heat, risking becoming dehydrated? Look what happened to Michael Moseley. They reckon he passed out from the heat & would have been dead within a few hours. His family & friends keep saying that he's not stupid, but the trouble is that teenagers always think they know everything, but there are so many things that their brains don't even consider.
@@gaysy1stI believe from the videos and statements from other people at the event, Jay was falling on the floor, so must have been soo drunk and or high, therefore the next day he must have still been under the influence of whatever substances and maybe that is why he could not sit still long enough to wait for a bus. The more you hear the worse it becomes.
Yeah the kid was so high, you're asking why he didn't charge his phone but he's on another planet! Ofc he didn't do any of the sensible things you mention. He probably had no idea of time and just knew he didn't want to sit still, maybe people were looking for him, maybe he's just off his tree and not thinking straight. You're right that it definitely doesn't make sense but hard to know whether that's because he's out of it or because something untoward has happened to him at the hand of others.
Amongst the several 'odd' turns of phrase in the Go Fund Me statement, is what appears to me to be the even more odd target figure quoted. Why £30,000? £10,000 would have been more than adequate to pay for the family to travel to Tenerife & rent accommodation. Go Fund Me appeals frequently far exceed the target amount. Lucy would have been well aware of this. Therefore, this raises a very important question: was £30,000 an amount of money which was very much NEEDED for some reason or other? Her GFM statement is all about her, & screams to me of misdirection & untruth.
Two points: if your battery is at 1%, you TEXT rather than call. And mostly, when abroad, people use Whatsapp which can pinpoint location easily on a map pinged to as many recipients as the sender wants from just one text. But we're supposed to believe he called just one person? And also, his criminal conviction is not 'alleged' - a 30 second search will discover the conviction and the judge's comments.
They’ve either hidden him good till they get the 30k he owed for the bag of drugs that went missing, or unfortunately they’ve panicked during the kidnapping and stuck him in a deep hole or to bottom of sea and fled.
Mum and perhaps other relatives need financial support to stay in Tenerife while searching for son :last minute trip, accommodation, food, transport, etc …
I think this is very upsetting for Jays family….this Lucy person sounds really suspicious! Why does she want money? It’s all got so many holes she needs to be investigated and I mean by police. I hope Jay is safe and maybe he’s confused and now might be worried he will get into trouble. I pray for him and his family.😢😢
lmao i spotted the first lie right away being 'I left early cause I was tired' aka she went home with some other guy🤣🤣 As a 20 something year old raver myself start right there. you see it all the time 'friends' going on nights out & then falling out cause someone (usually the girl) leaves with some other guy. anyhow the 2 other guys need to be investigated, something deffo went down, but i also don't rule out Jay generally being stupid af....I'm from the north of enlgand & went to school with plenty of muppets like him. but having said that if he goes to raves all the time it is odd...us brits drink from the age of 13 & know how to handle tricky situations early on/find our way home on a cold icy winter night
Substances are used at every festival, by most of the participants there. The drugs are already on the islands and are cheap and readily available. It's pretty normal practice. They're party islands for Brits. People don't normally go missing, though.
Hi Peter Im just at the start of your video & so not sure if anyone’s already commented but Tenerife is pronounced Tenereef. Partying for 3 days with drink/drugs/both, plus the sun, is tiring to be fair. Also do you know Jay was involved in a crime before & that his mother got a snapchat saying he owed lot of money to someone? Is it possible they’re trying to get this £ back via the gofundme? I suppose it’s quite possible
any info about who sent that message ?? or was that message “staged” to go in the direction of “abduction“ !?! kind of a Maddie McCann kind of scheme….
@@KatieBlue16 I saw that each time o watched the interview....and also pay pay close attention when she talks about hism going again for another festival in the future and other trips, her voice gets normal for a few seconds..weird, you would think she wouldn't like that to happen again, but nah sounds 'normal'
How does Lucy know the details of who Jay leaves with, where they are going and what the accommodation of the two men was like (ie away from civilisation etc)?
It's clear that they were all on drugs. That's how these festivals work. She left early as she was exhausted - probably dancing for 48 hours non-stop. He has gone with two guys who probably offered more drugs after the dancing. The problem is that at 19 years old you don't have the experience to know danger when it's right in front of you. So, he's alone, out his head, thirsty and confused. I don't think this will end well.... All my own interpretation no offence to anyone implyed.
Yes it seems logical. Poor young man, traumatised , violent past, impoverished environment, I know where he is from, young white males are not given the help they need growing up. Imagine a girl going off on her own..well noone would let it happen
Another thing I don’t understand is how come Lucy spoke to him at 8.30am and jays mum got a call at 2am to say he was missing? There’s no time difference between uk and Tenerife? Or was it not until around 18 hours later that his mum was informed?
Latest info...he was seen at 8am at the bus stop which is beside the air bnb. He asks the airbnb owner when the next bus is twice, hes told 10am, he walks away and a woman sees him walking in the oppsote direction he should be going. He called his friend at 8.44 to get him instead she called thr police They claim the gofundme is to get information and rewards??
Jay phoned her at 8:50am, he pinged his location and took a Snapchat of it. 10 mins later she reports him missing. Why not go and get him. Say, stay there I’ll come and get you or I’ll contact authorities to get you. None of it makes sense. For some reason he couldn’t stay there or his phone was there and he wasn’t !
I think the problem with his mother is that I don’t think she’s very bright.. and it makes the behaviour seem off. She may be also hiding something also, as when people smell poop 💩 it’s usually 💩 poop
Yes so why did she hide her face ?????? It reminds me of that television series years ago called who is Sylvia with charlie drake !!!!!! So who is lucy does any one know ??????
@@macfaichen2658 It would be petty if he wasn't supposed to be an expert who focusses on words, but it's an indication of his level of research. So, in the same way he analyses what people say to extract clues about their behaviour, not knowing how to pronounce Tenerife shows that he hasn't even listened to ONE news report about this. So no, it's not petty - it's an important and revealing detail - just like the details he claims are important.
Thats where my thought keep going - Maybe not out or bi and got the chance of a hook up with two lads no one would know about then after a good time was had by all he found himself not knowing where he was and still with a drink or drug hangover which is bad enough normally but in a climate your not used to i can see how things might have played out
My opinion is that he went off with the 2 guys to a) do drugs in their apartment or b) he was offered a 3-way. I think he was still under the influence in the morning either from drink or drugs and whilst walking he's fallen down a ravine.
Its an imported culture that is very foreign to England and English language..a young lad, who was as white as me, asked me 'wargwan’.. which i later found out meant 'whats going on'... luckily i was armed and ready for imported culture
Don't do drugs. If you do do drugs, be with people you trust. If you do drugs and suffer ill effects ALWAYS put your health and life before any fear of later repercussions from the law as trouble can be solved, death can't ! Also, if phone dying, use last of power to record a voicemail explaining any useful information and whereabouts you believe you are as this information will be available even when your phone dies. X
What you forget is British English is made up of very different forms of syntax and semantics depending on what county you live in. So what may sound suspicious is actually how some one might talk.
@@JOHNTHEWHISK she doesn't need too. It's not an interrogation. In UK the gov bags us not to disclose personal details online. She did what she was supposed to do. Transparency laws do not apply in UK. Check facts before sprouting off.
you don't need to speculate about drugs....they're literally at a rave....it's like going to bar & being surprised there's people having a drink. no one hides the fact either
You sound about 13
@@BlowinFreeyou can't hear them , it's a written comment. Also why ?
Quite so. Interrogation would not be focussed on drug usage/possession in this scenario. It is irrelevant and would be assumed.
Keep On etc....
@@DrMattiLabbrattunless they were supplying
Lucy is tired because it’s exhausting to have to deal with and cover up a drug deal that has gone wrong and events that she’s involved in are spiralling
Yes, "off" means "from" in this instance. It's actually quite common in the UK for people to say"got a call off" even though it's not grammatically correct.
Thank you
Yep, it’s now a common dialect in the UK
@PeterHyatt
Hello Peter, thanks for your video .
Tenerife is a very small island, around 60 x 20 miles in size .
It's pronounced Tenereef 👍
@marinka424 It's quite common everywhere in UK. I'm in the south and I hear it regularly.
Bad grammar 🤷♀️
My suspicion was triggered soon as I read that another guy had gone missing on holiday so soon after the missing TV doctor - they messed up a drug deal and are using the ‘gone missing’ story to cover up and escape.
How does she know jay left with anyone if she went earlier 🤷🏽♀️
Totally agree
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She asked Jay to leave with her butbhe said he was going with the other guys. It's in a few of the articles
@rosita3528 So WHERE did the 3rd friend go ?... Mmmmm.... little said about him eh ?
@@Dafferz007 maybe he doesn't exist
Just discovered this facinating analysis of Lucy's statement. Agree Lucy negating her involvement , no reason for go fund me. (possibly greed, this may show detachment from Jay, or she knew exactly what he was doing?) However, if she left early how did she know Jay left with two gentlemen and that jays destination was miles away from civilisation and in a very secluded location?
Additional information on the story:
1) Jays parents said he was a very streetwise teenager and was sensible why would he walk in the opposite direction to his intended destination?
2) Jays stepfather said he never walked anywhere, even if a trip was a few hundred yards he would ask for a ride. If this is the case why would he embark on an 11 hour walk?
3) If Jay was going to get the bus, then it follows he had money, one has to ask why did he not call in at the local resturaunt where he may have been able to charge his phone and buy a drink?
4) If as Jay's parents "he was a sensible boy he wouldn't just wander off", if this statement is to be believed then why would he not stay on the road where he could have hitched a ride or got help from the many hikers along the well travelled route, apparently there are many hiker's and vehicles that travel that route.
5) It was reported that a neighbour of the airb&b whom Jay had asked when the next bus was due going south to his intended destination had driven past Jay walking on the road in the wrong direction e.g. into the mountains and not in the direction Jay asked of the bus which he had asked about. Was Jays asking about the bus travelling south intended deception on jays behalf should the police enquire later?
6) If the neighbour saw Jay walking in the wrong direction into rugged terrain, might they have stopped to ask if he was okay, or if Jay was the sensible, streetwise kid, as per-ported by his parent and Jay in the phone call to Lucy at 08:30 said he had no water, his phone was on 1% and had an injury would he have not flagged down the vehicle?
7) There are deep inconsistencies in the time lines of reported events!
8) The later information regarding Jay having stolen a Rolex may be a diversion in an attempt to explain why he was discovered walking in the wrong direction after asking the neighbour for the bus times going
in the opposite direction.
I could go on for hours on this subject and the inconsistances.
Of course my analysis of the information and statements could be erroneous if peoples statements or reported facts were wrong.
His mother knew he was going out to sell drug's for the weekend festival and he was helping himself and not paying for it so now he is in trouble because he is not the gangster person he thinks he is maybe at home but always someone else who is further up the chain and you don't mess around with that. Lucy also lying about where he was too police and searches don't have a chance when lucy has not told the truth. The 30,000 is money he owed the gangsters for taking drug's and not paying. Fact
Hahahahahaha
FACT
ok Sherlock.
@@col8353 wait and see not long now and they will find him. That's what happens when you play gangsta
How much of any buzz d'you think a bod can use to sort themselves of a weekender that = £30k ¿?
The gofundme now says it’s for Debbie his mum, but initially when it was set up it wasn’t. If you look at Lucy’s first interview she does a Freudian slip and says “we” then quickly changes it to “I” so who’s the we? She definitely knows more than she’s saying.
What do they need money for...
@@tricia4900precisely
How would Lucy know that Jay had left with his two friends after stating that she had left the club early?
She was able to use an app and find his location. Concerned she eventually made her way to the B&B where the older men staying.. the B&B owner seemed a little suspicious also.
I find it very strange that the go fund me page was set up soooooooo quickly
Lucy Law said to a Sky presenter that she phoned '911' Police Emergency No when she should have said '112'. massive slip up there!
Yes, I could understand if she said 999 as she would at home but why 911?
@@senorra941She said it so Americans can relate to it for the 'Go Fund Me', in my opinion.
@@localbod Ah yes! Good point.
@@localbodwhy would she do that?
Someone answered this elsewhere, apparently wherever you are if you dial 999 or 911 in another country it still connects you to emergency services in that Country (I am presuming the UK and USA aren't special and the same thing works with all countries emergency numbers) so I am thinking that probably having seen a lot of American TV she opted for 911 thinking that is the emergency number for everywhere outside the UK, and it just connected her. That's my guess.
I always find it strange when someone sets a go fund me straight away before they have even had a chance to realise he was actually missing and its a serious situation!!
Man, You want to think the best?...what is the truth?...is this a "fake reality?"....the rescue, all hours...search party's ?....The hidious background of personality?....
It wasn't set up straight away, it was 4/5 days after he'd been missing. There was a fake one straight away not set up by the family
Like in the Nicola bulley case although that one was closed due to the backlash from the public
I didn’t even set up one after a terrible thing happened to me and I could not work more for months. And I am alone. No financial support of a husband or so. I read he lost drug money and used too much drugs. And now he owes them 20k and that they all know where he is
Same thing happened with Nikki Bulley ,Emma Whjte started a go fund me for 100k on Feb3rd Nikki was just missing then and wasn't found until. two weeks..week deceased.People were so angry she was made to take it down.Why would anyone set up a go fund me when they don't know where the person is.
Hi Peter, thank you for all your analysis of the years. Could you do one on whatvyou think of Jays mothers interview to the press.
The guy is no angel. He has form. Don't be fooled and don't part with your money. The whole thing is suspect.
I’m sure you’re not an angel either Ken. Regardless of what he has or hasn’t done, he is someone’s son and brother.
@@jessicatomlin5829 HES A WRONG UN
I’m an Angel
@@Bushwacker-mb6hw Me Too x
A criminal that mocks working people@@jessicatomlin5829
The second I heard lucy talking on a news interveiw,I knew she was lying and up to something-from what I can gather is she was as the connection between a gang of drug dealers and jay ,getting a rucksack of drugs off them that she gave to jay to sell at the festival,but apparently jay tucked into it and used a lot got really wasted and lost the rest,meaning he owed ALOT of money and lucy was going to be the one to have to tell the dealers that,so her and jay had a row and she left to distance herself from it all and make some dreaded calls ! Jay took off with two guys who offered to hide him in their remote bed and brekkie,he took a pic to proove to her he wasn’t at the party and told her he was as lost and had no batt cos she was as going mad at him to get back to her and face this ,I think he scarpered and is faking going missing so he dosent get beat up ,and she has set up the go fund me to cover the bill ,30 grand! The mum knows she did the fakest interveiw ever ,fake sniffs ,no tears saying he was such a good boy despite him nearly killing someone in the uk and being in gangs and dealing ! I think he is just hiding out or jumped on a diff bus / boat ,his mum has even had threats since she arrived in tenerife
Lol yeah
@@jayess5489🤣🤣🤣🤣 that's a belter.
Great imagination and very believable.or he just wandered about out his head .hopefully the truth will come out
I noticed crocodile tears I've seen that before.
The mum's death threats aren't real. How could they use the same photo he snap chatted in the morning.
I think Jay has done a bunk not to get beaten up. I think she told Jay to lie low with the two English guys. I think he left hurriedly as he was worried he'd get discovered. I don't believe he's dead. .
I think they intend to set up new druggie business with 30k Go Fun Me
She didnt want to be interviewed in sight was strange considering this is her friend and very concerned
She's a drug peddler that found the villa in the middle of nowhere where there's no civilisation. So she knew address and the boys as she knocked on door and spoke to them. They should have checked out Monday. Why didn't they.
She’s *allegedly* a drug dealer who goes to Tenerife regularly to do so at raves.
Small time criminals thinking they can keep doing what they do on a first time holiday abroad in a place they know little about then find themselves mixing with the big boys and end up way out of their depth - Then things go horribly wrong
Its my opinion that this is Drug related.. if it was true that he had no phone or water common sense would have told him to stay at the Bus stop where his friends could have given the Police a point of pick up...this case doesn't make sense..l've be delving more into Lucy...thanks for another great analysis Peter.👌
maybe he escaped apparently he was scared
Peter, you must analyse the video interview with his mother, and how conclusive she is about him being abducted. Similarly there are videos of Lucy retelling her gofundme tale over and over verbatim. Red flags 🚩🚩
The fact that she feels the need to tell us that she visited a holiday location for a Holiday started my spidy senses tingling .. As she is trying to tell us that she was not on the island for other reasons. i.e the real reason .
The rest is rather bi-polar , swinging between including herself and distancing herself.
Police should grab her, seize her phone and passport and find out what she is hiding .
I agree
They should have, but the police are involved in the drug smuggling/dealing the cartel on the island are involved in
How did she know he left with 2 men and went far aeay, if she left early and alone and eent to sleep...
How do you get phone reception in the mountains at 1%
battery power and area connectability are seperate things.
This statement appears to have been put together by more than one person. From the TV interview, Lucy sounds young, yet here uses words/ phrases such as " aware of his surroundings/ desperately needed/miles from civilization/secluded location/frantically" that sound like they came from an older person embellishing/re-writing Lucy's words for dramatic effect/authenticity/to underline the gravity of the situation. While I understand in such a case, close family members would need to scramble to book flights/take time off work to go to Tenerife which would cost money, I'd like to think in a genuine missing person case, you'd just put it on a credit card and sort things like paid holiday later and focus on finding the guy before crowd funding....
I am British and the Go Fund Me page is written by someone with very poor English and grammar.
Grammar?...or Liar?....Not all British have the best "grammar?"
Did you hear how she speaks? "Like" every other word. Scammers
“ Civilization” is the American spelling. I don’t know why she used the American spelling. Perhaps she is a sad product of the failing education in English in the UK education system.
It's normal for people to talk that in Burnley lol
Then I guess you're not too familiar with current teenagers xD
I live in Tenerife and never heard of 1 degree celsius in that area it is possibile only in winter time on volcano Teide.
Lucy is a well known drug mule , she had introduced Jay to that World but he messed up on his first attempt , he lost a rucksack with £17K of drugs in it , gang is holding him until it's paid back, they appear to be treating him well, fed,washed and watching the Euros Football with him.
This gentlemen is making a lot of sense
This is an excellent analysis
When lucy left alone where was the other friend also why as the other friend not spoke out🤔
Jay was 💯 off his head on drugs at the rave, it stood out a mile. He has past with drugs. The last thing on my mind would be to set up a go fund me, i would be out looking and not leave the place he was last seen until i found him.
She was taken to the area by an American woman and spoke to the two men at the airb&b . After which she moved to the area to be near the search .
Lots of ppl now saying its all a scam and ppl should stop donating immediately.
Why would anybody donate? For what?
fbk jay slater discussions tells it all
@@janlittle2148its at like 26k
What is the donation for?
Lucy wants British police involved? Yeah, have them investigate HER and Jay when he's "found"
Lucy makes regular 'trips' to Tenerif. Locals are saying she's a drugs mule. What's the betting she got this county lines drug dealer kid involved. Lucy is up to her neck involved in his disappearance.
So many holes in this - I wonder if Lucy says he was in the mountains etc when he was never was - just a misdirection?
his phone was in the mountains but was he?
Is it a possibility that the 'Go Fund Me' request is to pay off a debt - or is a ransom - to get him released from whoever might be holding him, due to a drug 'deal' gone wrong?
There is nothing “allegedly” about him and his gang mates wielding a machete and attacking a young lad….he did do it….he was found guilty in a British criminal court. There is however rumour that him going missing is retribution for that earlier crime!! He apparently has a lot of enemies!
Is that the young lad that has bravely issued a statement asking people not to focus on that and hoping this kid is found safe and well?
Lots of
His workers and boss say he is not like that and very polite and nice..
@@tricia4900 thats what Harold Shipman's patients said...
@@michaeljones1445I live 2 mile away from them, general concensus locally is not revenge.. But more dealing, lost drugs and a debt needing to be paid... Is Lucy the facilitator between a gang and the dealers, which Jay was possibly doing at this festival?
I’ve also noticed that Lucy has said the Spanish police aren’t doing enough, said that the British police are refusing to help when they have offered, but the Spanish police have said they have the resources to do the job. This to me indicates that she’s trying to take any shade away from her and trying to lay blame anywhere else and away from her.
There's a quote from Lucy in the daily mail criticizing the police for not speaking english. As long as they are searching to the best of their ability, it doesnt matter if they don't speak english, they are not english. They can't help not speaking English, they are Spanish! She said, " They don't even speak english"
That !ucy May is an idiot and suspicious
She is a teenager too and emotionally affected by what's’ happening I don’t expect her or any relative to make rational comments
@@acreativiter ?
i mean of course it matters...how else do you think they're gonna get info from all the people (mostly english) who knew him & saw him last? you need a good grasp of not just the language but how it ties into behaviours, hence why it's criminal they didn't get a translator till the 3rd day. Spain has literally been full of brits in touristic areas for decades, youd' expect translators to be on hand
That comment just goes to show how ignorant she is! They’re in Spain. 🇪🇸
Lots of dodgy people involved aren't there?
Just another gofundme scam.
How does she no he left to go to party if she left earlier than everyone else and alone
Yes. Where is the third person. They were with?
I don’t know how long a phone call you could make with 1% battery, but he seems to have given her a lot of information in that time 🤔
Mine won't even make an outgoing call on 1% battery...it's BS!
Not possible.
@@jacquelinehunt7794 not even slightly!
Pumped and dumped - drunk , maybe pills taken - not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree , of a generation that cant find the corner shop without help from their phones - any of these factors would be a recipe for disaster
He was seen at a bus stop at 8, and was lost in the mountains dying of thirst by 8.30. This whole story stinks, either someone disappeared him because of whatever he’s involved in, or it’s a go fund me scam in my opinion.
more likely to be the former IMO
He had money for the bus but no money water seems legit doesnt it
I think so too but what gang is he in
Why not walk along the road where the bus goes. Why would you walk in the mountains.
@@caroleforshaw6287to take a shortcut? I have been in Spain where the road winds along the ravines. If you walk down the ravine and up again it is a much shorter distance
This lad does seem to have a criminal past and possible substance misuse. This also echos the story of Micheal Mosley and his unfortunate walk home. Something very suspicious about the whole issue
They probably came up with this story as it was around the same time Mosely was found.
My hunch is that he is alive and well and it was a planned 'missing persons' to avoid some kind of danger of others.... or jail time or debt, and is now in another country.
@ConnieGMK tenerife is an island. He would have to fly to another island or by boat would be in west coast of Africa- where a visa would be required.!
It’s not jail he’s avoiding. He was given community service by a soft Judge for the machete attack on another lad he took part in. More likely drugs debt or stealing from a drug dealer.
Lucy calling for british police is posponderous. It would be ironic if they were deal drugs.his mother appeared to have crocodile tears
Tenerife (we pronounce it Tenner Reef) is very popular for young British tourists.
Tenna reef lol
More like Sodom and Gomorrah, amirite. It didn't used to be like that.
What a low bar for behaviour getting rare holidays to Tenerife and partying with his recent offending.
There’s a story floating around alledging that all 3 were selling drugs at the festival for big time drug dealers. Apparently it’s Lucy who recruits some of them, Jay being on his first job, but he consumed a lot of the drugs and lost his ‘bag of drugs’, resulting in the situation now. It’s an interesting story and makes sense in many ways, however I’m not sure how credible the source and story is. I saw the post of Facebook tonight
The Mocro Mafia have been mentioned on his Facebook page,
You know what, it’s looking like that might be the reason he’s disappeared. As each day passes
Makes sense, this is probably what happened. The story being put out seems off.
@@7547JAMES I agree...a young lad being given a bag of coke and E {?} probably ''got high on his own supply'' - he looks zammo'd on one of the vids at the 'rave'.... if he lost the drugs he could be in trouble.
They do seem to be small time dealers - I once found a bag of ''UPS'' in the street {Europe} a few years ago - I handed them in to police that were about as it was a weekend....I didn't want them personally, and didn't want kids finding them.
Interesting 🤔 That's a brilliant comment, thank you. Considering we keep hearing that he didn't actually arrange the trip and wasn't very keen to go initially .... Why not?
Was she the one who arranged it, I wonder?
Could it even be related to his machete attack?
Certainly, there's something missing in this story 🤨🇬🇧
Theres more to this than people involved are letting on
I zhought from the very beginning that her statement of what happened was not right she is lying
I think she’s involved in him going missing 100
Same here
him and his horrible little group attacked someone
Yes and now that person is in prison.. For robbing an old lady.. 😉Bad as each other..
Thank you for covering this. It is extremely hot and dry there with very rough terrain. If he wasn’t carrying water, unfortunately his chances of surviving this long are not good. Unfortunately drugs are easily accessible also. I hope they find him. 🙏💙🙏
If the narrative postulated by his “friend” is true, then sadly Jay is extremely likely to have died on that day, and his body is yet to be found.
If the narrative in false, and Jay is at another location and this is a scam of some order, then he may well be alive.
For his and his family’s sakes, I hope that the latter is the truth
@calgal5752 that is only if you believe what this lucy has said.
Sir you are wildly overestimating the British educational system if you expect her to quote in the correct person.
Same in the US unfortunately….they don’t know the difference between to, too, and two either
I’m in the UK and notice lots of young people use the word ‘use’ instead of the correct spelling ‘you’.
@calgal5752 Correct. I’ve always wondered why so many Americans say “could care less”, instead of the correct term - couldn’t care less.
@@clairegreenwood1910as in, youse, plural of you.
Read Irvine Welsh if you can lol I would love to see you streaming that if you think British people are misusing terms instead of learning colloquiallisms by asking questions or even paying the slightest interest, instead of presuming.
@@finnishinsider1569 Exactly….that drives me nuts
The mothers appeal is very telling!!!
Do tell.
@@leannemc225 Sounds more like the real story imho 👍
Went to get her nails done,just what you're going to do when your sons missing
@@gillianlaing1073and her eyebrows too....
For a go fund me appeal it seems a lot about Lucy's itinerary rather than jays situation
Yes it does seem odd that she has not given her surname and doesent want to be interviewed what ever has happened to him !!!!!! she clearly doesent want to be identified !!!!!
My senses flew off the charts when I was watching Lucy’s interview. She said Tuesday in the interview, that she immediately called 911, on Monday morning to report him missing. She claimed that right after explaining to the interviewer that she told Jay to “stay where you are, I will come to pick you up” Wouldn’t you try to find him before reporting him missing? Well the emergency number here is 112. Not 911, How can you forget something so important in 24 hrs?…don’t sit right with me.
Then she claims the police said they’d send a helicopter out to search for him. When does LE do that from a single phone call?
When she was interviewed on screen, she had her back to the camera. Concealing her identity.
Something is wrong, I don’t appreciate the way she’s trashing on the emergency services. I get the frustration. Yet all our guys are out there. We have 3 tiers of police here Local, National and Guardia, and they’re all out there searching. Including mountain rescue, and fire department.
Shame is that Jay has an abundance of fruit out there and probably doesn’t even know it. These barrancos are full of cactus, with fruits known as “prickly pear” to some.
Jay probably went to get more drugs from their apartment after paying them. Probably expecting to drive back with them all.
The guys have been questioned and left the island on Tuesday when given the go ahead.
There is a very short video of Jay at the club, and his jaw is uncontrollable. I’m not proud to admit, yet I was young once too, and in my experience, he was definitely on something illegal.
It’s sad. I do think they’ll find him. Yet I don’t think it will be a rescue. Sad.
Thank you veru much Peter. 😊
That Lucy Mae Law seems to be lying and seems suspicious......
This lat has been sentenced for brutal machete attack. Im sure the rumour of his debts only make me sure 5hey are scammer and dr*g 4un
Seems like you got carried away with yourself
@@atlanticblue2665 Having your back to the camera in the interviews is strange to me.
She and Jay went together to Tenerife. They went to a 48 hour "rave", where drinks, drugs and loud music were the intent.
Lucy has one glaring lie in her Go-fund-me appeal. Jay went back to a "cheap bed & breakfast" house when the rave ended. He was with 2 other guys. He was seen and spoken to the next day.
I've looked at Jays criminal record and it is attrocious. He's a drug dealer and has committed many attacks on others, one where he used a machete.
I'm convinced that Jay and Lucy planned his disappearance and gfm money scam.
Go-fund-me has announced that it will not release any money until they have spoken to some relevant people.
Another boy went missing last year? A go fund me was set up by Lucy, she knows what she is doing
Well it looks like there given her the money
1 attack and he wasn't directly involved what a mess your comment is
@@lauraspear434 how do you know this ? If she Lucy has done this before that does seem odd. It would be sad if this is indeed a scam , then others that really need help won’t get it 😢
@@gibbo822
He must have been directly involved, or he wouldn't have been found guilty!
This is like the Nicola Bulley case. Everyone watching and distracted
Yep and the Russians are arming and bills are being passed and a meteor is on its way.
Nicola Bulley was a hoax too. Strange coroner's report. Witnesses lies remain unquestioned. Spouse timeline is up the spout.
And all the conspiracy theories, when in reality it was Occam's razor and she'd slipped into the river.
@@JM-The_Curious No evidence she slipped in the river. Coroner could not determine where. Fitbit conflicts with coroners report.
I think that was a staged event too.
I think drugs is the common denominator in both cases.
Maybe Jay was not functioning well after the long festival weekend, partying, and whatever might have gone on at the apartment with the two older men. Seems odd that he opted to set out on a ten hour walk to his hotel because he missed the bus, rather than wait just ten minutes for the next bus - apparently the bus runs every ten minutes and the bus stop is next to the apartment where the two men were staying. Why didn’t he call for a taxi, or ask someone to call a taxi for him, rather than walk until he has only 1% charge on his phone? Did he intentionally walk ‘until’ only 1% remained, then intentionally disappear?, That could sound like a plan, but if so, whose plan - Jay’s, Lucy’s, unnamed others?
I wonder if he was so anxious to get away that he would not wait for the next bus, or if he just was not feeling well and didn’t realise he was so very far from his hotel.
Lucy’s GoFundMe does raise questions - my first thought was that she was narrative building rather than simply saying that Jay is missing, and we need help to pay for flights and accommodation for his family, or whatever - but she doesn’t specify how the fund will be used. It raises questions as to why really was she there - was there a reason (GoFundMe) beyond attending the festival?
Did Jay go willingly with the older men, or was he taken? Seems odd he would leave with two new much older acquaintances, at night, without a friend. What type of friends let him go - did they - or was he taken? Lucy had already left, so she can say it was nothing to do with her, and it may not have had anything to do with her. Still, she felt like explaining it. Guilt or alibi?
Why does she say the area is “far from civilisation”, when there are at least apartments, a shop, and a bus service which runs at ten minute intervals? Hardly a lone shack in the mountains, even if it is off the beaten track - the bus is civilisation.
I think it doesn’t look good for Jay - his mother will travel to Tenerife, just to sit in the hotel, but she won’t even visit the search area, or see where her son last was known to have been. Might as well sit at home and wait for news, IMO. Fifteen family members and friends are gathered in Tenerife, so maybe the GoFundMe is to finance all of them - seems like a lot, but Tenerife is nice at this time of year.
Jay does have a serious crime in his past, and some speculate that his disappearance could be payback for what he and his friends did to the boy they attacked. I think it’s likely he wanted to get away from the men in haste, and probably was under the influence of drugs and/or alcohol. There could have been a plan, but maybe not the one he anticipated, if he did. I don’t know. I hope he is found safe, even if he is partying on the other side of the island - seems unlikely after five days, unless he’s part of a GoFundMe scam. I would think that, except it seems dark for two older men to take a young boy they had just met to their apartment, miles across the island, late at night. They could have done something to him, left him unfit to make his way home.
Apparently the bus was a 2 hour wait.
@@jewelssunsun9450 Yes, I’ve also read that since commenting. A two hour interval does seem more likely for a bus service in a remote location. Pity he didn’t wait, poor lad.
So, what's the gofund money for then, seem to have money for drugs and drink?
Wish.
In terms of the excess information, she also said that, "One of the people he has met has hired a car out of here, so he's driven them back to his apartment and Jay has gone there not realising how far away it is." Seems like all of this including the hire car information is quite detailed for someone who only spoke to Jay when his battery was on 1 percent and he was lost. There is quite a detailed back story which does appear pre-emptive. There's also the new photo of her partying next to Jay in the night club which is said to be from the early hours of the morning (although the police are keeping the exact timing rather close to their chests). She said she 'left early' but did not specify what time this was.
Again, according to 'the media', Jay's mother was initially against the GoFundMe account, which Lucy opened without any communication with the family.
However it appears Jay's mum changed her mind even though the British embassy is apparently financially supporting the families trip to Tenerife.
So, why would she change her mind?
Could it be that the exact GoFundMe sum request of £30,000 is coincidentally the same amount as the ransom for Jay's return and that Lucy had to explain that to Jay's mother, and if so might account for anomalous responses in interviews by the parents?
The exact sum of £30,000 is mentioned in the detailed text message sent via social media, and related to the eight young drug traffickers whose lives are (it claimed) in great danger if the money isn't returned...
Lucy has not shown us her face neither has she offered her full name.
The video is named 'UA-cam Asylum', and is 4 days old. I encourage you to kindly watch, if you can please.
Shorts and T shirt but the last alleged Snapchat photo doesn’t show legs but a skirt or material and why not show his face?
A guy just posted saying a lot of info about this Jay and how she is a drugs runner and recruits people to sell at large events.
Jay is a he not a she
i mean this is the kids first time abroad without his parents...so lol i doubt he's selling drugs when the locals/brits who live in these areas easily dominate this area themselves. but the guy has a shady past for sure
@@LdnLadyBeth, is talking about Lucy, not Jay
@@Gimenez528Hz thanks, i did mean lucy.
@@d.b.cooper1clearly this is entirely speculation - but if he/they (Lucy and co) were dealing drugs maybe they have stepped on someone’s toes
It didn't make sense to me why he would choose to walk 10 hours over mountain terrain instead of waiting for 2 hours for the next bus so I was suspicious straight away. Plus the fact he didn't get water at the apartment he went to and allegedly had a leg wound and didn't shower there or anything. The whole thing stinks IMO
I agree. I'm sure he could have charged his phone there too. Why did those guys (aged between 35-40) let him leave like that, with no water & no usable phone? Why didn't Jay go back there & ask if he could stay there until the next bus came? Would you really choose to go on a 10 hour walk, in heat, risking becoming dehydrated? Look what happened to Michael Moseley. They reckon he passed out from the heat & would have been dead within a few hours. His family & friends keep saying that he's not stupid, but the trouble is that teenagers always think they know everything, but there are so many things that their brains don't even consider.
@@gaysy1stI believe from the videos and statements from other people at the event, Jay was falling on the floor, so must have been soo drunk and or high, therefore the next day he must have still been under the influence of whatever substances and maybe that is why he could not sit still long enough to wait for a bus. The more you hear the worse it becomes.
Yeah the kid was so high, you're asking why he didn't charge his phone but he's on another planet! Ofc he didn't do any of the sensible things you mention. He probably had no idea of time and just knew he didn't want to sit still, maybe people were looking for him, maybe he's just off his tree and not thinking straight. You're right that it definitely doesn't make sense but hard to know whether that's because he's out of it or because something untoward has happened to him at the hand of others.
Amongst the several 'odd' turns of phrase in the Go Fund Me statement, is what appears to me to be the even more odd target figure quoted.
Why £30,000? £10,000 would have been more than adequate to pay for the family to travel to Tenerife & rent accommodation. Go Fund Me appeals frequently far exceed the target amount. Lucy would have been well aware of this. Therefore, this raises a very important question: was £30,000 an amount of money which was very much NEEDED for some reason or other?
Her GFM statement is all about her, & screams to me of misdirection & untruth.
Two points: if your battery is at 1%, you TEXT rather than call. And mostly, when abroad, people use Whatsapp which can pinpoint location easily on a map pinged to as many recipients as the sender wants from just one text. But we're supposed to believe he called just one person?
And also, his criminal conviction is not 'alleged' - a 30 second search will discover the conviction and the judge's comments.
Exactly so. Excellent and incisive deduction
Nope by the time you text it still runs out
@@nicolasimpkins3640 Possibly so, but less likely that a call
She’s distancing herself from the whole situation because it’s bad and she would rather him disappear than get in trouble
i have a suspiscian he got dr ugs off the two men to sell(she set it up) she stole the dr ugs they took him against his will
They’ve either hidden him good till they get the 30k he owed for the bag of drugs that went missing, or unfortunately they’ve panicked during the kidnapping and stuck him in a deep hole or to bottom of sea and fled.
I just don't understand why people donate to go fund me.
Mum and perhaps other relatives need financial support to stay in Tenerife while searching for son :last minute trip, accommodation, food, transport, etc …
@@acreativitershe never said that was the case.
@@acreativitershe’s posted an update on the page saying that they’re not paying for any of that with the funds raised so what’s it for?
I think this is very upsetting for Jays family….this Lucy person sounds really suspicious! Why does she want money? It’s all got so many holes she needs to be investigated and I mean by police. I hope Jay is safe and maybe he’s confused and now might be worried he will get into trouble. I pray for him and his family.😢😢
I love listening to you explain Statement Analysis. Thank you for putting these videos out
lmao i spotted the first lie right away being 'I left early cause I was tired' aka she went home with some other guy🤣🤣 As a 20 something year old raver myself start right there. you see it all the time 'friends' going on nights out & then falling out cause someone (usually the girl) leaves with some other guy. anyhow the 2 other guys need to be investigated, something deffo went down, but i also don't rule out Jay generally being stupid af....I'm from the north of enlgand & went to school with plenty of muppets like him. but having said that if he goes to raves all the time it is odd...us brits drink from the age of 13 & know how to handle tricky situations early on/find our way home on a cold icy winter night
He either went back with these guys he had just met for some sort of drug deal - or for sexual reasons - In my opinion
Or sex for drugs
Thank you so much for covering this. It opens up the whole picture which doesn't come across in UK news.
Substances are used at every festival, by most of the participants there. The drugs are already on the islands and are cheap and readily available. It's pretty normal practice. They're party islands for Brits. People don't normally go missing, though.
Hi Peter Im just at the start of your video & so not sure if anyone’s already commented but Tenerife is pronounced Tenereef. Partying for 3 days with drink/drugs/both, plus the sun, is tiring to be fair. Also do you know Jay was involved in a crime before & that his mother got a snapchat saying he owed lot of money to someone? Is it possible they’re trying to get this £ back via the gofundme? I suppose it’s quite possible
any info about who sent that message ?? or was that message “staged” to go in the direction of “abduction“ !?! kind of a Maddie McCann kind of scheme….
Lucy gave an interview to Good morning telly, but hid her face.
His Mum gave interviews. And they’re so dodgy!
she makes the noise like she's crying, but not one tear shed
@@KatieBlue16Agree 💯
With the amount of conspiracies on her already… I wouldn’t show my face either …
@@KatieBlue16 I saw that each time o watched the interview....and also pay pay close attention when she talks about hism going again for another festival in the future and other trips, her voice gets normal for a few seconds..weird, you would think she wouldn't like that to happen again, but nah sounds 'normal'
Disgusting if it's true they're scamming
How does Lucy know the details of who Jay leaves with, where they are going and what the accommodation of the two men was like (ie away from civilisation etc)?
It's clear that they were all on drugs. That's how these festivals work. She left early as she was exhausted - probably dancing for 48 hours non-stop. He has gone with two guys who probably offered more drugs after the dancing. The problem is that at 19 years old you don't have the experience to know danger when it's right in front of you. So, he's alone, out his head, thirsty and confused. I don't think this will end well.... All my own interpretation no offence to anyone implyed.
Yes it seems logical. Poor young man, traumatised , violent past, impoverished environment, I know where he is from, young white males are not given the help they need growing up. Imagine a girl going off on her own..well noone would let it happen
Another thing I don’t understand is how come Lucy spoke to him at 8.30am and jays mum got a call at 2am to say he was missing?
There’s no time difference between uk and Tenerife? Or was it not until around 18 hours later that his mum was informed?
I think probably your second argument is right. Also Tenerife and England are in the same time zone.
They are on CET time which is one hour ahead.
@@nats2976 You’re wrong, that’s mainland Spain.
Tenerife is the same time as the UK 👍
Latest info...he was seen at 8am at the bus stop which is beside the air bnb. He asks the airbnb owner when the next bus is twice, hes told 10am, he walks away and a woman sees him walking in the oppsote direction he should be going. He called his friend at 8.44 to get him instead she called thr police
They claim the gofundme is to get information and rewards??
Jay phoned her at 8:50am, he pinged his location and took a Snapchat of it. 10 mins later she reports him missing. Why not go and get him. Say, stay there I’ll come and get you or I’ll contact authorities to get you. None of it makes sense. For some reason he couldn’t stay there or his phone was there and he wasn’t !
The mums interview was interesting, she thinks he has been kidnapped!
Yes she did I also thought the same. I also thought her crying was fake, no real tears
gave me vibes of shannon mathews mother lol
I thought the mum was dodgy.
I think the problem with his mother is that I don’t think she’s very bright.. and it makes the behaviour seem off. She may be also hiding something also, as when people smell poop 💩 it’s usually 💩 poop
Yes so why did she hide her face ?????? It reminds me of that television series years ago called who is Sylvia with charlie drake !!!!!! So who is lucy does any one know ??????
CidA drop.
You might have spent 5 minutes listening to the UK news, and you would have heard how to pronounce 'Tenner Reef'.
Bit petty don’t you think… big deal he mispronounced it… grow up
@@macfaichen2658 It would be petty if he wasn't supposed to be an expert who focusses on words, but it's an indication of his level of research. So, in the same way he analyses what people say to extract clues about their behaviour, not knowing how to pronounce Tenerife shows that he hasn't even listened to ONE news report about this. So no, it's not petty - it's an important and revealing detail - just like the details he claims are important.
Is Jay gay? Was she there when he left - with two men? With drugs involved?
Thats where my thought keep going - Maybe not out or bi and got the chance of a hook up with two lads no one would know about then after a good time was had by all he found himself not knowing where he was and still with a drink or drug hangover which is bad enough normally but in a climate your not used to i can see how things might have played out
Wondering why he'd developed a pain in the a.
it was safe for her to leave alone to go home yet jay goes missing
The first thing I thought when I heard about Jay slater is we need hyatt on this asap
I became suspicious the minute the MSM started covering this case, therefore I am here trying to get the detail they don't want to give us.
Same. Narrative forming.
same here
fbk jay slater discussions
Google Lancashire UK...eight lads attacked TOM HILTON with a machete/golf club...2021
it's another nicola bulley psyop
My opinion is that he went off with the 2 guys to a) do drugs in their apartment or b) he was offered a 3-way. I think he was still under the influence in the morning either from drink or drugs and whilst walking he's fallen down a ravine.
Thank you for being the first person to mention a 3 way, that's been my thought from the start and I believe that is what Lucy is hiding.
Is a 3 way a threesome as in kinky stuff? I'm don't know what the dlang means.
Those people are just so predatory on every level.
Its an imported culture that is very foreign to England and English language..a young lad, who was as white as me, asked me 'wargwan’.. which i later found out meant 'whats going on'... luckily i was armed and ready for imported culture
Don't do drugs. If you do do drugs, be with people you trust. If you do drugs and suffer ill effects ALWAYS put your health and life before any fear of later repercussions from the law as trouble can be solved, death can't ! Also, if phone dying, use last of power to record a voicemail explaining any useful information and whereabouts you believe you are as this information will be available even when your phone dies. X
I have been looking on UA-cam for one of my favourite channels to pick up this story. Thank you! 🙏
Don't play thugs in foreign countries. It could be dangerous. Remembers me of the Amanda Knox case.
What you forget is British English is made up of very different forms of syntax and semantics depending on what county you live in. So what may sound suspicious is actually how some one might talk.
Example please.
Why didn't she disclose her last name? Why the lack of transparency?
@@JOHNTHEWHISK it's a go fund me! Why would she?
@@JOHNTHEWHISK she doesn't need too. It's not an interrogation. In UK the gov bags us not to disclose personal details online. She did what she was supposed to do. Transparency laws do not apply in UK. Check facts before sprouting off.
This man is one if the world's experts in statement analysis and you want to tell him how language works? 🤦♀️😒
I have seen alot on this.past few days and imho its eaither fake or fell by fell i mean cliff or montain
It sounds very dodgy to me.....Go Fund Me.....🤔
Mr hyatt please analyse the interviews by Jay slaters mother, they are very odd
And now the father has piped up with another odd interview