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  • @ellieinspace
    @ellieinspace  Місяць тому +7

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    • @zanelittlegray
      @zanelittlegray Місяць тому +6

      @ellieinspace, why not just ask the Angry Astronaut the how & why of Boeing's "dumpster-fire" of a space capsule?

    • @jtjames79
      @jtjames79 Місяць тому +7

      Maybe she doesn't want to end up on Boeing's hit list.

    • @zanelittlegray
      @zanelittlegray Місяць тому +1

      @@jtjames79
      OUCH !!
      GOOD ONE !!

    • @rjswas
      @rjswas Місяць тому

      Just remember, if they fully delete you, its permanent, we will miss you Ellie.

    • @-MeatsOfEvil-
      @-MeatsOfEvil- Місяць тому

      The launch is now June 1st. 😅

  • @lordleonusa
    @lordleonusa Місяць тому +63

    Why? (1) Delay, (2) Boeing 'Quality Escapes', (3) Overpriced, (4) Dead Whistle-blowers.

    • @Ron4885
      @Ron4885 Місяць тому +3

      Why are whistle-blowers showing up dead? 🤔

    • @EdgewiseSJ
      @EdgewiseSJ Місяць тому +1

      Add in corruption, too.

    • @svr5423
      @svr5423 Місяць тому +1

      @@Ron4885 maybe they got hit by a door on their way out.
      Which coincidentally fell from the sky.

    • @magnaviator
      @magnaviator 27 днів тому +1

      @@Ron4885 Good question for a grand jury, right?

  • @elguapoguano
    @elguapoguano Місяць тому +159

    I understand the negativity. Boeing got almost twice the amount of money that SpaceX did for the same mission. SpaceX has flown 13 crews and Starliner has flown 0. Both of Starliner's test flights had serious issues. Boeing in general is in shambles, it has been documented that Boeing cares more about stock price than building safe transportation systems. And you have to mention the whistleblowers that keep ending up dead, this is a very serious situation. Personally, I would not feel safe flying on Starliner.

    • @ctafrance
      @ctafrance Місяць тому +25

      I wouldn't get on the starliner for any price. No way. If there isn't a catastrophic failure on its first flight, it is only a matter of time.

    • @jtjames79
      @jtjames79 Місяць тому +33

      Saying you need Starliner as a backup for Dragon, is like saying you need to buy a Reliant Robin as a backup for your Tesla.

    • @rogerfroud300
      @rogerfroud300 Місяць тому +26

      I couldn't have put it better myself. It's unfair, they've shown themselves to be incompetent, and they don't deserve to be in the business. They're all about money, not Engineering.

    • @tjmcguire9417
      @tjmcguire9417 Місяць тому +17

      Boeing Starliner negativity deserved. You really nailed it. It is not about emotion, it is about facts. Thank you. With two of the best ready to test, (Butch and Suny); I sure hope the eventual launch works out ok.

    • @arthurhamilton5222
      @arthurhamilton5222 Місяць тому +6

      Well, Boeing has been forced to provide that 1.5 billion dollars, that they were trying to avoid, in company investment in the Starliner program.

  • @Sparky056
    @Sparky056 Місяць тому +83

    NASA, please check the door pins on the spacecraft, Boeing has a habit of not installing them.

    • @gregsteele806
      @gregsteele806 Місяць тому +9

      Ouch? (True, but ouch.)

    • @mountedpatrolman
      @mountedpatrolman Місяць тому +2

      Came here to say this exact thing.

    • @Thunderbyrd.
      @Thunderbyrd. Місяць тому

      I haven't heard that before.

    • @kazedcat
      @kazedcat Місяць тому

      Be careful Boeing might decide to suicide you.

  • @jtjames79
    @jtjames79 Місяць тому +57

    So not giving Boeing a participation trophy is hate?
    Okay if you say so.
    I just hope the doors don't fall off.

  • @fellixx11
    @fellixx11 Місяць тому +33

    Boeing lobbied hard to get all the money for commercial crew and lock SpaceX out. Had that happened, with yesterdays scrub, we would still have to pay Russia for a ride to space. Given the world situation, how much do you think they would jacked up the price? The grudge against Boeing is deserved.

    • @davidkottman3440
      @davidkottman3440 Місяць тому +1

      Yes too much lobbying, too much influence, too much money, not enough results!

  • @richdurbin6146
    @richdurbin6146 Місяць тому +22

    The Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt are well earned in starliner’s case rather than propaganda where the term originated.

  • @Jack.Waters
    @Jack.Waters Місяць тому +31

    To answer the Title:
    While Boeing was given Autonomy to design and implement. SpaceX was put under greater scrutiny. Even when SpaceX lost a test ship due to Faked Quality Control Reports ( out of their control) they still succeeded. As the first underdog in the Space Race in 6 decades they have excelled because they are not subject to the failings of the Lowest Bidders.
    Boeing was an Engineering company run by engineers. Now they are run by hedge funder mentatlity.
    We forever celebrate the Underdogs especially when they are winning.
    I for one was not disappointed at the Scrub. I anticipated another unfortunate failing.

  • @ldifalco2010
    @ldifalco2010 Місяць тому +32

    Why does everyone hate on Starliner? Because Starliner is a throwback to launches from the pre-shuttle days. It uses an old designed throwaway booster and regardless of how advanced the Starliner capsule is, it can't compete with Spacex's Dragon, whose booster is recovered over and over again. Boeing is a bloated bureaucracy that has taken way too much time and cost way too many dollars just to launch astronauts to the space station. Boeing should spend its time and money figuring out how to make their commercial airliners safer.

    • @ghost307
      @ghost307 Місяць тому

      Boeing is very good...at figuring out how to maximize the money that they get from the government. Does anyone else remember that when Boeing didn't win the open competition for rocket hardware, they filed a lawsuit like the entire competition was just a show to make it look like the contract awards were being fair.
      When they actually were fair, Boring lost the competition, along with their mind.

    • @tjmcguire9417
      @tjmcguire9417 Місяць тому +2

      OR... they could just silence their critics. (Hmmmm.) Not good but probable.

    • @arthurhamilton5222
      @arthurhamilton5222 Місяць тому +2

      ​@@tjmcguire9417
      You all better leave Hillary's investments alone.

    • @user-ku7jn6fc6g
      @user-ku7jn6fc6g Місяць тому

      The Atlas V was created in the early 2000s, not in the Cold War. Starliner will eventually need to use the Vulcan rocket which is made to be partially reusable.

    • @timterry5689
      @timterry5689 Місяць тому

      If you think that Starliner is a "throwback", you don't know much about Starliner.

  • @NOM-X
    @NOM-X Місяць тому +53

    Its a huge waste of money. Dragon can launch in under 12 hours. The more time they waste, we pay for it. Get rid if it.

    • @fosstera
      @fosstera Місяць тому +2

      uh huh
      how about the time and careful handling needed to fuel its launch abort system?
      besides, this is a fixed price contract. all excess costs land on Boeing, not NASA or tax payers

    • @KrustyKlown
      @KrustyKlown Місяць тому +6

      ?? ...and when Dragon blows up and is grounded for 1-2 years ... then what?? ... especially with Russia's World relations in demise.

    • @fosstera
      @fosstera Місяць тому

      @@KrustyKlown exactly

    • @ghost307
      @ghost307 Місяць тому +2

      @@KrustyKlown They'll either fix it or shut down entirely like NASA did after the Apollo 1 fire.

    • @tjmcguire9417
      @tjmcguire9417 Місяць тому +4

      A hugely wasterful project using old tech and rockets.

  • @surferdude4487
    @surferdude4487 Місяць тому +16

    It's getting so rediculous that I expect Starship to have its first manned test before Starliner does.

    • @markevan1
      @markevan1 Місяць тому +1

      *ridiculous, not re...

  • @myeyesscream724
    @myeyesscream724 Місяць тому +23

    The astronauts only just realized they had door adjacent seats....

  • @3dprintmiami
    @3dprintmiami Місяць тому +19

    We aren't speaking bad about the astronauts, Starliner is simply out dated to be currently in development. The money needs to be spent on Space station designs or alternative fully reusable craft.

    • @davidkottman3440
      @davidkottman3440 Місяць тому +6

      The Starliner has taken more time than the Mercury, Gemini, & Apollo programs combined. It'll soon start giving the Military Industrial Complex a bad reputation!😂😂

    • @3dprintmiami
      @3dprintmiami Місяць тому +2

      @@davidkottman3440 thats a fact and exactly why we say wtf to starliner for sure!

  • @Rob2
    @Rob2 Місяць тому +25

    You can call it "negativity" but I think most of the "negative" comments are just making fun of Boeing. They just can't get anything right these days.
    Do not forget that although Starliner is now mentioned as "a second option to launch American crews", it originally was meant to be the primary option.
    Over 15 years ago, the design of Starliner started, and they still haven't completed a test crew launch, let alone an operational one.
    In the mean time, years later, Crew Dragon was added as a secondary option, with a way lower budget, and it already completed two handsful of launches.
    So it is not that surprising that Starliner gets the "negative" comments... even when they are not always founded.

    • @jtjames79
      @jtjames79 Місяць тому +4

      The problem is if you make founded accusations against Boeing, bad things happen to you.

    • @charlesmaurer6214
      @charlesmaurer6214 Місяць тому +1

      YEP it was first supposed to be ready with the ending of the Shuttle though under another Boeing design that failed to deliver even a test flight.

    • @kazedcat
      @kazedcat Місяць тому

      They are very reliable in deleting whistleblowers

    • @Sparky056
      @Sparky056 Місяць тому

      So your saying it will be 15 years before they get another rocket ready? I would not be surprised at all.

    • @aaaaa5272
      @aaaaa5272 Місяць тому +1

      I believe that you are the only one on the planet who thinks "its funny" that Boing is delayed.

  • @sp00l
    @sp00l Місяць тому +18

    "Why everyone is HATING on Boeing's Starliner capsule..."
    Maybe because they are killing whistle-blowers in other divisions...

  • @davidsean290
    @davidsean290 Місяць тому +21

    There’s a reason for the negativity is it’s years behind schedule. Most people get second chances. How many does Boeing need?

    • @ghost307
      @ghost307 Місяць тому +4

      Infinite chances...each with extra money.

    • @unotechrih8040
      @unotechrih8040 Місяць тому +3

      They get as many chances as they can pay the politicians for.

    • @markevan1
      @markevan1 Місяць тому

      Boeing has screwed up this project, but to be fair, the problem that scrubbed the launch is a ULA Centaur issue. Boeing doesn't make the rocket.

    • @ghost307
      @ghost307 Місяць тому +2

      @@markevan1 To be fair, ULA is a 50-50 partnership between Boeing and Lockheed.

    • @TheUnofficialMaker
      @TheUnofficialMaker Місяць тому +1

      till they kill astronuts?

  • @WilliamLWeaver
    @WilliamLWeaver Місяць тому +8

    Is this the same NASA and ULA that pushed STEM, STEM, STEM careers and then laid off every Aerospace Engineer and support contractor at Kennedy SFC? Yeah.... that will fuel the FUD.

  • @zarl5238
    @zarl5238 Місяць тому +17

    7 year delay-and we are supposed to stay positive about Starliner-don't think so. Maybe they should let SpaceX take over and put the Starliner on a falcon rocket. I also like Elon's comment where he says we don't need more capsules we need more reusable rockets.

    • @arthurhamilton5222
      @arthurhamilton5222 Місяць тому +1

      Starliner has launched, successfully, twice on A5.

    • @zarl5238
      @zarl5238 Місяць тому +3

      @@arthurhamilton5222 wow :( and falcon 9 has launched 339 times in the last 9 years with 1 inflight failure and is reusable.

    • @user-ku7jn6fc6g
      @user-ku7jn6fc6g Місяць тому

      @@zarl5238 Falcon 9 is a rocket, not a spacecraft. Crew Dragon hasn't flown hundreds of times. The Atlas V rocket that Starliner flies on has flown dozens of times. It was Atlas V that had the problem yesterday, not Starliner.

    • @zarl5238
      @zarl5238 Місяць тому +4

      @user-ku7jn6fc6g A5 and Starliner both suck- I know the
      difference pal- excuses excuses- u must work for Boeing.

    • @minmo2288
      @minmo2288 Місяць тому

      @@arthurhamilton5222with hundreds of unacceptable issues, they made mistakes that no one has made since Apollo 1 🤦🏻‍♂️

  • @arthurhamilton5222
    @arthurhamilton5222 Місяць тому +9

    After looking at the astronauts ingress the Starliner, I compared it to astronauts ingressing in the Dragon capsule. Dragon was much simpler and easier.

    • @Sparky056
      @Sparky056 Місяць тому

      After seeing SpaceX progress Boeing should spare the American public any more expense in this OLD POS

  • @jeffrey5961
    @jeffrey5961 Місяць тому +10

    Taxes. The money paid to Boeing was taken as taxes from US taxpayers. When you do not get good value for your payment, you tend to be angry.

    • @user-ku7jn6fc6g
      @user-ku7jn6fc6g Місяць тому

      Starliner is not built by taxpayers. This is a fixed price contract program.

    • @TheMoneypresident
      @TheMoneypresident Місяць тому +2

      SpaceX put in a low bid and got what they asked. Could have gotten more than Boeing.

    • @jeffrey5961
      @jeffrey5961 Місяць тому +2

      @@user-ku7jn6fc6g Boeing was paid by NASA USD$4.2 billion for Starliner. SpaceX was paid USD$2.6 billion for Dragon. Boeing Starliner costs 60% more than SpaceX Dragon. That money came from US taxpayers. You are correct it was a fixed price contract and that is great news because Boeing wasted another USD$1.5 billion of Boeing's shareholders' money and Starliner still has not flown. To answer Ellie's question why is eveyone hating on Starliner? Because they, the US taxpayers, have been cheated out of USD$4.26 billion.

    • @BKD70
      @BKD70 Місяць тому

      @@user-ku7jn6fc6g So, Mr. Genius, nobody said the taxpayers built Starliner. So who is paying for it then? NASA? The Gubmmint? Where do you suppose those institutions get their money from, besides just running the printing presses?

    • @charlesmaurer6214
      @charlesmaurer6214 Місяць тому

      One would add Boeing's delays canceled several missions already paid for and Thanks to Space X for taking over some of the undelivered missions. Tax payer paid for a Boeing car they never got and had to buy a Space X car each time too that was half the price of the scammers at Boeing.

  • @oldgandy5355
    @oldgandy5355 Місяць тому +7

    The negativity has very little to do with Starliner directly. The negativity is about the political favoritism shown by NASA to Boeing. Boeing was at one time the most highly respected Aerospace manufacturer in the world. Now doors and wheels fall off their planes, and their Space Adventures are questionable, due in no small part to their cost cutting efforts in the quality control end of the business. I want to see the Starliner be a giant success, but I am very nervous about this flight.

    • @goodcitizen4587
      @goodcitizen4587 Місяць тому +2

      Plus Boeing's DEI (affirmative action, etc) hiring is also weighing them down. SpaceX hires the best, which shows in their effectiveness.

  • @TheGhungFu
    @TheGhungFu Місяць тому +16

    Lets look at it from the different direction:
    Tell me something POSITIVE about Starliner.
    (Que the jeopardy song .........)

    • @chris_kaos
      @chris_kaos Місяць тому

      Its against a Monopole. Innovation needs always more Players - to keep and boost Innovation. The Sowjet Union was a big loss for scientific Space Exploration. The Big Space Race from the US and Germany against the Sowjets was good. The US and the great bunch of German Scientists (Operation Paperclip) did great work with the Apollo Program. Russia is not anymore a great Opponent for a Space Program.

    • @tjmcguire9417
      @tjmcguire9417 Місяць тому +2

      Queue. It made a lot of useless people a lot of money.

    • @davidkottman3440
      @davidkottman3440 Місяць тому +1

      It's exactly like the Soviet program, now obsolete & at risk of total demise... aka, legacy aerospace.

    • @TheGhungFu
      @TheGhungFu Місяць тому +1

      @@tjmcguire9417 Shorthand due to a bloated written language.

    • @chris_kaos
      @chris_kaos Місяць тому +1

      @@tjmcguire9417 The Speed of scientific Space Exploration lost its Pace in the early 80s. Thats so sad. I hope Germany will get on the Track back soon. This Year they get the first German-Starport in Northern Germany on the Sea running again. And that after the legendary Rocket Test Range Peenemünde which was transformed into the legendary Saturn Rocket with Operation Paperclip. And its for scientific Purpose only.

  • @MikesTropicalTech
    @MikesTropicalTech Місяць тому +8

    The negativity is justified by the history of the project, don't be both-siding this issue. Starliner is many years behind schedule, many billions over budget, even after starting with twice the funding that SpaceX was given. It had a disastrous first test flight, followed by a slightly less disastrous second test flight, and now they're putting humans in it without a clean third test? Ridiculous. And it's built by Boeing who we have seen for years has a fatally flawed engineering and business philosophy. It's a damn capsule the size of a minivan, not an entire airplane or rocket with tanks and engines and avionics - and they can't make it work right! SpaceX's Crew Dragon has put over 30 people into low earth orbit and into and home from the ISS, perfectly. It's not FUD, it's fear, uncertainty and doubt that Boeing is going to kill 2 astronauts. If they succeed, I'll be happy for Butch and Sunny and the Starliner team but that's AFTER they've proven themselves. If they don't, there's going to be a LOT of I Told You So, and it will be completely justified. I don't want any more dead astronauts due to bad decisions!

  • @klantic2
    @klantic2 Місяць тому +18

    Adapt Starliner to work on Falcon 9. Success.

    • @elguapoguano
      @elguapoguano Місяць тому +6

      Atlas V is usually a very reliable launch system. But you are correct. IF Starliner flies more than it's 6 operational missions currently scheduled. It will need a new launch vehicle as Atlas is being retired and there are currently no plans to crew rate Vulcan Centaur.

    • @viperswhip
      @viperswhip Місяць тому +1

      @@elguapoguano Who cares? Atlas 5 is about 20x more expensive than Falcon 9.

    • @KrustyKlown
      @KrustyKlown Місяць тому +2

      The idea is to have a backup to Dragon & Falcon 9.

    • @jtjames79
      @jtjames79 Місяць тому +6

      ​@@KrustyKlown That's the narrative. A narrative that really doesn't hold up to any scrutiny whatsoever.
      So that's like your opinion man.

    • @tjmcguire9417
      @tjmcguire9417 Місяць тому +1

      Now that is a VERY interesting thought. Good on ya'.

  • @ghost307
    @ghost307 Місяць тому +6

    I watched the 'tour' of the Starliner capsule and was very unimpressed at how the Commander has to shimmy into their seat.
    Very poor design compared to Dragon seats.
    Rather like the difference between slithering under a truck to check a fuel line (NASA) versus plopping down on a sofa (SpaceX).

  • @d.antondigre8859
    @d.antondigre8859 Місяць тому +5

    Starliner is the first US capsule to land on solid ground, and it’s capable of boosting the ISS’s orbit. That makes it at least interesting, if not necessary. Also, this far into the program it doesn’t make much sense to cancel it.

    • @goodcitizen4587
      @goodcitizen4587 Місяць тому +2

      Fair point.

    • @user-ny2bx8ez1c
      @user-ny2bx8ez1c Місяць тому +1

      Good money after bad?

    • @d.antondigre8859
      @d.antondigre8859 Місяць тому

      @@user-ny2bx8ez1c Maybe, I don’t know the exact accounting, but assuming a successful upcoming flight followed by the other five already scheduled, it seems like cancellation at this point would be a waste. It brings a few capabilities dragon doesn’t have. If it successfully completes six flights it could prove itself useful. Back when the program started, no one knew SpaceX would be so successful. 🤷🏼‍♂️

  • @aaaaa5272
    @aaaaa5272 Місяць тому +12

    Everyone is not HATING on Boing's Starliner capsule. The problem is Boing's management who is continously lying and covering up.

    • @TheUnofficialMaker
      @TheUnofficialMaker Місяць тому

      yes we are. too expensive and we are broke

    • @javaskull
      @javaskull Місяць тому

      The lack of vision is disturbing.

    • @chrispatsox
      @chrispatsox 22 дні тому

      Am sure the 2 astronauts that can't return home because the starliner is a broken pos are hating on it also.

  • @bme7491
    @bme7491 Місяць тому +4

    Boeing has been on the cost+ govt tit so long they can't compete in a fixed price environment. They love to overstaff particularly with management and claiming overruns for the life of the program. They have admitted it was a mistake to bid on CCP and they have no intention to respond to another fixed price RFP.
    We can only hope that this attitude won't affect the safety and well being of the Starliner crew(s).
    We need competition, but in this case, SpaceX is the clear winner from all aspects.

  • @max-q7129
    @max-q7129 Місяць тому +6

    It is NOT a backup capsule to SpaceX Dragon until it works and quite frankly it doesnt appear that Boeing really cares at this point. If Boeing had their way they’d drop the contract but they can’t. So StarLiner may never be that second capsule and if it has to roll back for a valve replacement then it will have to get back in line for a shot at the ISS. Which could be another 2, 3, 6 months or more. It is not now and never has been a viable backup and I am beginning to wonder if it will ever launch. 4.5 Billion dollars. Think about that. 4.5 Billion dollars and they can’t get it right. Pathetic just like all the other Boeing contracts where they robbed the American people for garbage work, just like their jets.

    • @arthurhamilton5222
      @arthurhamilton5222 Місяць тому +2

      It was the ULA launch vehicle.

    • @terminalreset18
      @terminalreset18 Місяць тому

      @@arthurhamilton5222 As I said before, the RL-10 is the most reliable second stage engine in history. Atlas is proven tech. They fired Rocket Dave too soon...

    • @arthurhamilton5222
      @arthurhamilton5222 Місяць тому

      @@terminalreset18
      Doesn't matter. It is still the A5 launch vehicle that caused the flight to be delayed. Which, means that the safety protocols are working and that's a good thing. U can bet that Tory is putting them to task to get the problem solved, safely.

    • @user-ku7jn6fc6g
      @user-ku7jn6fc6g Місяць тому

      It was the Atlas V rocket that had a problem. You didn't watch the video.

  • @j33psh0p
    @j33psh0p Місяць тому +1

    They couldn't even get the parachutes right. We've been using parachutes on every manned spacecraft except the shuttle for SIXTY YEARS.

  • @TheTikiMan
    @TheTikiMan Місяць тому +24

    I got really tired of them trying to sell us on the fact that the capsule has " actual switches and buttons."

    • @74360CUDA
      @74360CUDA Місяць тому +1

      Reminds me of Executives at K-mart unable to change their ways and keep up with Walmart and Amazon. Every button and switch has extra wiring and contacts, bus fuses and other things that add weight and complexity that is just not needed anymore.

    • @jtjames79
      @jtjames79 Місяць тому +2

      They had Stephen Colbert sit in it, and he immediately broke one of the switches. The first thing he touched broke.
      I was doing the Leonardo DiCaprio trying to get your attention from his chair meme, at my wife when I saw it happen.
      Meanwhile, I can remote into my desktop from my phone, my laptop, my wife's desktop, and my Meta Quest 3, etc.
      Every single switch is a point of failure.
      With screens, you can always bring enough, it's statistically impossible to lose access to systems.

    • @Sean-C
      @Sean-C Місяць тому +2

      Because switch and buttons is more reliable than a touchscreen

    • @professorg8383
      @professorg8383 Місяць тому

      Switches and buttons do not fail when exposed to the charged particles often zipping through space!! Space is a much more hazardous environment than earth.

    • @jtjames79
      @jtjames79 Місяць тому +2

      @@professorg8383 Funny how computers only don't work when humans need to use them.
      Laptops have been going to space for how long?
      The last time that argument was clever, my math teacher was still telling me to memorize my multiplication tables because I wouldn't have a calculator everywhere I went.

  • @yacahumax1431
    @yacahumax1431 Місяць тому +8

    Every house I owned have a leaking bathroom valve. Its always the valves.

    • @classic_sci_fi
      @classic_sci_fi Місяць тому +1

      Maybe they should have jiggled the handle.

  • @ross077
    @ross077 Місяць тому +10

    Boeing's performance on the commercial crew programme hasn't been good by any measure so some push back on Starliner is to be expected. However, I feel now is the time to back this capsule so that we finally get a return on NASA's investment.

    • @tjmcguire9417
      @tjmcguire9417 Місяць тому

      Or... CUT YOUR LOSSES and stop funding this white elephant.

    • @TecnamTwin
      @TecnamTwin Місяць тому +1

      Sunk cost bias?

    • @javaskull
      @javaskull Місяць тому +1

      Sunk cost fallacy.

    • @ryanab01
      @ryanab01 Місяць тому

      It's time to cut losses.

    • @chrispatsox
      @chrispatsox 22 дні тому

      @@TecnamTwinits stuck in space. So its a piece of shit.

  • @wolframreactor74
    @wolframreactor74 Місяць тому +5

    I hate the Telletubbie inspired EDL suits

  • @nicolassantos9526
    @nicolassantos9526 Місяць тому +2

    After two deadly crashes involving its best-selling 737 Max 8 planes, if there is an accident with the Starliner, is going to be brutal for Boeing.

  • @jesse2450
    @jesse2450 Місяць тому +5

    Boeing built it?! I wouldn't trust it

  • @Sparky056
    @Sparky056 Місяць тому +4

    @ John Smith: I think Boeing has lost sight of which end is the pointy end

  • @MrGunderfly
    @MrGunderfly Місяць тому +4

    Ellie, i think we are getting too focused on what is or isn't "negative". what is or isn't perceived as negative is irrelevant. negativity or positivity and obsessing over perceptions is just had wringing. we must allow what folks might perceive as negative. negative reactions pessimism, skeptical comments, all of this are human nature and part of the risk reward realities of technology evolution under public scrutiny. is the negativity earned? and even if its not earned, scepticism is super important. let's not try to deter negativity. lets try to focus less on our emotional reactions to comments, and more on the substance of them.

    • @GregoryJByrne
      @GregoryJByrne Місяць тому

      Perception is reality which is why controlling media is so important to the nouveau Nephilim.
      Western Christian nations are being invaded by Eastern secular Antichrist pagan nations.
      These are just the birthing pains & the first of Noah's tidal tsunamis will be pulled out & around the planet east to west by the new moon with the first major conjunction of mercury & venus in 2033 & every 40 years thereafter for the millennium it takes the earth's orbits to precess across the Sun's magnetic equator between the fermie cells of it's double torus OOrt cloud magnetosphere.
      Mystery of the 7 star crossings Jesus held in his hand not you or CO2 is causing this the millennium of climate change end times.

    • @c0d3warrior
      @c0d3warrior Місяць тому

      "The customer is always right", basically. And in this case the customer is the tax-paying public. The attitude of the last 10 years of telling the customer what he has to want instead of listening to him has to come to an end.

  • @robinholmes785
    @robinholmes785 Місяць тому +1

    Why is nobody talking about the fact that Starliner is flying on a rocket that is on the point of retirement? Is Starliner literally on a road to nowhere?

  • @KaliferDeil
    @KaliferDeil Місяць тому +1

    Boeing has always taken shortcuts, causing delays and product shortcomings. About twenty years ago, I remember talking to a Boeing engineer who was very unhappy about Boeing's production practices. In this case, it was airplane doors. A few years later, there were catastrophic failures in this area that ended up costing many lives.

  • @LindaRelph
    @LindaRelph Місяць тому

    Ellie, I love how you go out of your way to explain what is currently going on in space and make it easy to stay informed.

  • @greghight954
    @greghight954 Місяць тому +1

    If there is ever a problem, SpaceX can have a second or third falcon 9 I the air before anyone else can get 1 rocket in the air.

  • @chrisfelan2665
    @chrisfelan2665 Місяць тому +1

    I’ve worked at Boeing and worked at SpaceX. One place felt challenging aggressive and fun and the other place felt like a corrupt old bloated government extension

  • @SciFlyGal
    @SciFlyGal Місяць тому +1

    Not to be too pedantic, but part of the reason Boeing got more than SpaceX for commercial crew is that SpaceX was adapting their already existing Dragon cargo ship, while Boeing was starting from scratch.

  • @shableep
    @shableep Місяць тому +4

    It’s important that we have diversity in space flight providers. For that alone it’s important that Starliner flies. But- the execution of Starliner given their budget and experience is an absolutely, and notable failure that suggests we have to look seriously at the lack of competition that SpaceX has. It’s working for now, but there’s no guarantee it’ll work long term.

    • @tjmcguire9417
      @tjmcguire9417 Місяць тому

      Think Ariane 5. The new Japanese H3. More coming. Possibilities abound. ISRO. Space is not just American Made.

    • @davidkottman3440
      @davidkottman3440 Місяць тому

      ​@@tjmcguire9417 Soon you'll be able to add Neutron by RocketLab to your list.

    • @chris_kaos
      @chris_kaos Місяць тому

      Yes. Germany will launch its first Starport this Year in the Sea. And i know that Americans laugh about Europe espacially the Germans often and call us Europoors and stupid Loosers. But they know nothing about Things like Operation Paperclip today. And this Time after the legendary Peenemünde Rocket Test Range it will be for Scientific use only.

    • @jkleylein
      @jkleylein Місяць тому +2

      Don't wait for Blue Origin; they will make Boeing's delivery look like a bullet train.

    • @user-ny2bx8ez1c
      @user-ny2bx8ez1c Місяць тому

      Just have Elon design 2 different configurations & call it done! You know they'll both work.

  • @MrGchiasson
    @MrGchiasson Місяць тому +7

    Starliner...
    The last of the old world Apollo capsule-remakes.
    Half of the STS is made of surplus parts from the Space Shuttle era.

    • @user-ku7jn6fc6g
      @user-ku7jn6fc6g Місяць тому

      Starliner has literally nothing to do with Apollo or the Shuttle and shares zero lineage with either. It's not even slightly like Apollo.

    • @Agent77X
      @Agent77X Місяць тому +1

      Starliner uses cutting edge technology way beyond that found in Space X Dragon!😊 The inside of Starliner looks like something found in 1,000 years into the future.😊

    • @shannonwoodcock1035
      @shannonwoodcock1035 Місяць тому +1

      SLS was surplus Space Shuttle components, but the taxpayer was charged differently and we spent a decade of subsidizing the Russian Space Program.
      Boeing didn't fix that problem, SpaceX did.
      Imagine where we would be today with the ISS if SpaceX & Crew Dragon didn't exist?

    • @goodcitizen4587
      @goodcitizen4587 Місяць тому +1

      @@user-ku7jn6fc6g Was their launcher still using soviet RD80?

    • @markevan1
      @markevan1 Місяць тому

      @@Agent77X Wow. You got that completely backwards. Capsule not reusable. Launcher not reusable. Uses old Apollo era tech and old mechanical controls and switches. Far behind Dragon.

  • @Lynxdoc
    @Lynxdoc Місяць тому +4

    What if the astronauts just said Nope, I changed my mind. Not going! ?

    • @TheMoneypresident
      @TheMoneypresident Місяць тому

      They aren't pussies and there are back up astronauts training equally.

    • @mike_w-tw6jd
      @mike_w-tw6jd Місяць тому

      At what point does bravery turn into foolishness?

    • @Sean-C
      @Sean-C Місяць тому

      They have no choice. They do what Biden and the democrats tell them to do.

    • @josephwisniewski3673
      @josephwisniewski3673 Місяць тому

      I believe that happened several times during the crew selection process.

    • @Sparky056
      @Sparky056 Місяць тому

      "hell no, we won't go"

  • @akira28shima32
    @akira28shima32 Місяць тому +3

    After decades and decades of fleecing taxpayers. Karma is coming for Boeing!

  • @therombaro
    @therombaro Місяць тому +2

    Seriously. Mrs Bairds could bake a capsule faster than Boeing…

  • @Tinman_56
    @Tinman_56 Місяць тому +4

    Those valves need a redesign of their actuators to control the open and closing action from two different points on the same axis.

    • @markevan1
      @markevan1 Місяць тому

      That's not the issue. The issue is that the rules are tougher for manned flights. The valve issue happens from time to time. It just can't be resolved with crew on board.

    • @Tinman_56
      @Tinman_56 Місяць тому

      @@markevan1 That's not my point. I totally understand and agree with Tory regarding his flight rules for crewed vs. uncrewed flights. My point is there's a solution to the "well-known accepted" buzzing issue with the relief valves industry wide! Noone has taken the initiative to fix the problem. 🙃🤪🤓 it is resolvable.

  • @williammcconnell9501
    @williammcconnell9501 Місяць тому +2

    The modern Boeing can’t walk and chew gum. The excuses are endless.

  • @AM-hf9kk
    @AM-hf9kk Місяць тому +2

    OF COURSE we need alternatives and redundancy, but at this point it doesn't feel like a competition at all. SpaceX has run away with a huge lead while Boeing and ULA are content to shoot back and rake in massive government checks. They've lost any sense of the pioneering spirit in their drive to hire as many ex-congressman, ex- generals, and lobbyists as possible. SpaceX has gone back to similar methods that gained great leaps back in the fifties and sixties, without sacrificing any human lives. SpaceX had shown the world that you CAN reuse a rocket 20+ times, but the old guard have zero interest in cutting costs and improving their launch cadence.

  • @robindehood207
    @robindehood207 Місяць тому +1

    It's not FUD, it's just plain observations. Boeing has given us a consistent pattern that is so reliable in predicting what will happen next.
    Calling it FUD is just not fair.
    McDonald's ice cream machine is always broken and saying that isn't FUD.

  • @bernardopaul7861
    @bernardopaul7861 Місяць тому

    Ellie, your coverage is something the space sector sorely needed : a more "news-like" approach different from the ultra-nerdy or ultra-fanboyish tone of most YT sources. Keep up the good work.

  • @jasonstonier1732
    @jasonstonier1732 Місяць тому +6

    I noticed the Tunnel Mars t-shirt which made me think of something I've been wondering for some time. Will space x send boring company AI controlled tunnel borers to Mars to drill tunnel complexes for a base as part of the overall plan to establish a colony? Imagine two borers tunnelling through a mountain from opposite directions with intersecting routes that overlap so the borer can double as an airlock.

    • @gregsteele806
      @gregsteele806 Місяць тому +3

      Yeah, there's a reason Musk invested in Boring tech. Plus, it's no coincidence that the borer will fit inside a Starship cargo bay.

    • @davidkottman3440
      @davidkottman3440 Місяць тому +1

      Yes, when & where are the questions. No, Boeing won't be delivering it.

  • @pauljaworski9386
    @pauljaworski9386 Місяць тому +2

    the elephant in the room question. What kind of issues does SpaceX have with valves?

    • @jkleylein
      @jkleylein Місяць тому +1

      They have had to scrub tests because of valve issues and it seems that may have contributed to the loss of control on the last orbital flight. The thing is SpaceX finds the problems and fixes them unlike a company with 50 years of space experience which creates years long delays by dragging its heels.

  • @dreadous
    @dreadous Місяць тому +5

    Did the door fly off! So I know boeing didn't murder those quality assurance inspectors. But they are responsible for there deaths. 🙄

  • @jamesengland7461
    @jamesengland7461 Місяць тому +1

    The Everyday Astronaut released a great video today with some insightful information on valves and sourcing them.

  • @pauld6967
    @pauld6967 Місяць тому +1

    @15:45 I certainly agree that reusable spacecraft is desired.
    However, I am not cheerleading for SpaceX's design. No, I want the craft from _'Space: 1999.'_
    The Eagle for civilian use and the Hawk for the U.S. Space Force.

  • @trespire
    @trespire Місяць тому

    The most alarming reject on Starliner was the use of Velcro.
    It's as if the people working on the system have no connection to the space industries history and legacy.
    Highly concerning.

  • @Mity_Mo
    @Mity_Mo Місяць тому

    Did you know :
    Apollo 11, propelled by a Boeing-built rocket, lands on the moon on July 20, 1969, the first human visit to another world.
    On July 20, 1969, four days after being launched into space by the massive Boeing-built Saturn V S-1C first-stage rocket, the Apollo 11 lunar module "Eagle" touches down in the Sea of Tranquility on the surface of the moon.
    At the Cape, the three stages of the Saturn V launch vehicle and the Apollo 11 capsule were assembled under Boeing's supervision.

  • @alanhart9992
    @alanhart9992 Місяць тому +2

    Sorry Ellie. Starliner was a cut corner built Capsule. I hope the flight goes well but I would not want to fly in it.

    • @arthurhamilton5222
      @arthurhamilton5222 Місяць тому +1

      But, this one is on ULA.

    • @user-ku7jn6fc6g
      @user-ku7jn6fc6g Місяць тому +1

      This wasn't a Starliner-1 issue. It's an Atlas V issue.

    • @Codysdab
      @Codysdab Місяць тому

      ​@@user-ku7jn6fc6gthat's not what OP said. It's in the general context.

  • @jamesogden7756
    @jamesogden7756 Місяць тому

    It's mind boggling how many people are forgetting that _ULA scrubbed this launch_ . Not the Boeing Starliner. ULA has an impressive record of safety under Tory Bruno and I'm happy he's keeping it that way.

  • @daviddipasquale5479
    @daviddipasquale5479 Місяць тому

    Thank you Ellie, enjoy your coverage And I wish Starliner a successful mission!

  • @RahmanDwi
    @RahmanDwi Місяць тому

    SpaceX actually has one serious issue about their Crew Dragon in the past. A Crew Dragon prototype (C204) exploded during ground testing in April 2019 but they fixed it in a short amount of time, thus regained public confidence once more. For Boeing, even though none of their Starliner fleet had exploded to date, they had cultural and managerial issues that further lose public confidence that Starliner is safe to fly after they fixed many issues on Starliner itself

  • @Mity_Mo
    @Mity_Mo Місяць тому

    More than 10,000 Boeing-built commercial jetliners are in service worldwide, which is almost half the world fleet. The company also offers the most complete family of freighters, and about 90 percent of the world's cargo is carried onboard Boeing planes.

  • @ivanbasson982
    @ivanbasson982 Місяць тому

    The Austronaut Commander : 'If its Boeing, I ain't going'....

  • @Sean-C
    @Sean-C Місяць тому +1

    Imagine if the Starliner with NASA astronauts in it blows up.

  • @pilotdawn1661
    @pilotdawn1661 Місяць тому +2

    It's like the old PC vs MAC argument. Main thing was Safety First, and that's good. Boeing has had a lot of bad press lately and that may contribute....

    • @javaskull
      @javaskull Місяць тому

      Bad press??? Press doesn’t make planes crash, doors fall off, or nose gear to collapse. Also that is quite apart from the disturbing allegations of corporate whistleblower assassinations.

  • @ghostspex2182
    @ghostspex2182 Місяць тому

    From Nasa's perspective, they want to have a backup instead of relying solely on SpaceX. They learned that from the Space Shuttle program.

  • @rudivandoornegat2371
    @rudivandoornegat2371 Місяць тому +1

    Maybe Ellie in Space merch could be expanded with Space fashion? Longsleeve T-shirts and pajama pants replica's of the white and blue suits we saw in this vid?

  • @KrustyKlown
    @KrustyKlown Місяць тому +1

    The Shuttle experience clearly showed the need for a LOE backup .. the extra cost for TWO different viable vehicles, is insurance well spent.

    • @gregsteele806
      @gregsteele806 Місяць тому

      Spoken like a man who would endorse Kamp Krusty. Tell *Mr Black* we said hello. 😉

    • @davidkottman3440
      @davidkottman3440 Місяць тому +1

      The idea is sound, & the SpaceX team delivered, proving the concept... The Boeing effort has been less than stellar and unfortunately not worth what we paid for it.

    • @terminalreset18
      @terminalreset18 Місяць тому

      You can probably build and launch ten Dragons for the cost of this turnip.

  • @jbarvideo12
    @jbarvideo12 Місяць тому

    Ellie and Joe, Thanks for your engineering details and your evaluation about Boeing's Starliner Capsule.

  • @marksadventures3889
    @marksadventures3889 Місяць тому +1

    Boeing don't help themselves with the issues with staff care. I am surprised Boeing have ridden the storm, or has it just not fallen apart yet? I am not a fan of companies who mistreat their staff. Otherwise they could have been a very good service for space exploration.

  • @mrmariusi
    @mrmariusi Місяць тому

    1.That valve needs a redesign with a damper or a [bigger] hysteresis.
    2. Strange that procedures do not allow actuating cycling with people onboard. The valve is probably redundant, stuck closed would make no risk due to the redundancy. So the risk seems to be "valve stuck open" => "pressure loss" => Centaur hull integrity loss. Time to redesign the Centaur for Vulcan to have hull integrity without pressure if we want to carry humans on Vulcan-Centaur?

  • @av_kovko
    @av_kovko Місяць тому

    ULA will rollout Atlas V 022 in Vertical Integration Facility, for replacing valve on Centaur upper stage. Launch has delayed on next Friday May 17 at 6:16 pm EDT, 10:16 pm UTC. Broadcast on NASA TV at 2:15 pm EDT, 6:15 pm UTC. Atlas V 022 will rollout on pad 41 NET May 14.

  • @seemoretoys5944
    @seemoretoys5944 Місяць тому

    I wish we had capsules during the 30+ years when the space shuttle was flying.

  • @wacojones8062
    @wacojones8062 Місяць тому

    I wonder how many people are alive who watched the Echo ballons floating by overhead in space like I did or who remember the US Navy Vanguard 3 fail on launch. My dad made parts for the Army Explorer Project satellite that made it into space.

  • @jamesnicholls9969
    @jamesnicholls9969 Місяць тому

    this is what happens when you only launch 3 times in a year instead of nearly 100. things are left lying about in storage for so long that you get corrosion and sticky valves especially in Florida's humid weather. the same corrosion happened on the starliner valves.

  • @evdave528
    @evdave528 Місяць тому

    Sadly this “Stick your parts into things” is more about making click bait ( $) than testing safety.

  • @jamesengland7461
    @jamesengland7461 Місяць тому

    Thank you. Ellie and Joe, for offering a more optimistic and positive outlook than the usual internet negativity! ❤

  • @salty_berserker_channel
    @salty_berserker_channel Місяць тому +2

    The whole atlas starliner and skirt combo looks janky.

  • @PongoXBongo
    @PongoXBongo Місяць тому

    It would be cool if Starliner could be a launch platform agnostic capsule able to launch from atop multiple different rockets. Less bespoke tour bus and more universal train car.

  • @margaretgentry8572
    @margaretgentry8572 Місяць тому +4

    Boeing whose plains keep getting grounded?

    • @Dtk-1ofakind
      @Dtk-1ofakind Місяць тому

      You mean Boeing's planes(and parts) that keep hitting the plains!

  • @raytribble8075
    @raytribble8075 Місяць тому +5

    Dream Chaser and that concept should be option 2 for now. Starliner will have to have a few successful stories before… if ever… accepted

    • @user-ku7jn6fc6g
      @user-ku7jn6fc6g Місяць тому +1

      It's literally going to fly on Friday or next week.

  • @yankeeskipper2748
    @yankeeskipper2748 Місяць тому

    valve should have been redesigned as this has been long term problem. Problem is "one time use rockets" are not designed as well as "reusable rockets"

  • @EricSNeitzel
    @EricSNeitzel Місяць тому +1

    Shopping for valves on Wish is definitely not the crème de la crème when it comes to thrifty spending.

  • @timlaughman7074
    @timlaughman7074 Місяць тому

    Godspeed to this crew , man just let it go well .

  • @MeteorMark
    @MeteorMark Місяць тому +2

    The Boeing Starliner RV / Van is very Space Balls 😂

  • @trespire
    @trespire Місяць тому

    Sunita Williams is highly capable and experienced. If anyone can pull this mission off it's Sunita.
    Keeping my fingers crossed they have a safe flight.

  • @dhansel4835
    @dhansel4835 Місяць тому

    This reminds me of the days of Mercury, Gemini and Apollo where scrub after scrub would take place. You would think here in the 21st century this would be all behind us. Oh, well no wonder the national news stopped carrying this.
    "If it's Boeing... I'm NOT Going!"

  • @tyharris9994
    @tyharris9994 Місяць тому

    Fear is something that will keep you alive and it's very justified in this case given the history of this Boeing project and of Boeing in general. We have live astronauts in this thing.

  • @investmentgammler4550
    @investmentgammler4550 Місяць тому

    The real advantage of Starliner is its classical Apollo style.

  • @GabrielVelasco
    @GabrielVelasco Місяць тому

    We don't really need more capsule options. We need more rocket/launch options.

  • @betabilly
    @betabilly Місяць тому

    I expected this a possibility since Boeing has had problems with missing bolts and doors falling off.

  • @davebooth5608
    @davebooth5608 Місяць тому

    It will never be an effective tool in crewed missions. They don’t know what they’re doing and someone will get hurt. No crew resipply missions only!!

  • @FranciscoRamirez-gb6zc
    @FranciscoRamirez-gb6zc Місяць тому

    I don’t know but I would be afraid to fly on the Scrubbedliner. Especially with all the latest news about Boeing.

  • @williamhoward7121
    @williamhoward7121 Місяць тому

    It is critical that we get another reliable crew launch system working. We're all frustrated because Boeing is taking three times as long as they should have to get this done and spent far too much taxpayers money for the output they've shown. At this point I just want to see it's successfully launch and start paying back a little bit of what it's cost us.

  • @albing1397
    @albing1397 Місяць тому

    Glad it's not a Starliner issue, but ULA includes Boeing. However Atlas 5 has great reliability. I wish the astronauts flying Starliner, Godspeed & success. While costly, you don't want to rely on Russia as a backup.

  • @dancingdog2790
    @dancingdog2790 Місяць тому

    But when it finally launches, that Centaur will be "high energy."