I wouldn't hold my breath for Strix Halo. Shared memory IGPUs will suffer from the von Neumann bottleneck. They will have to change to 4 memory banks rather than two (fyi threadripper pro uses 8 banks). This will make them more expensive and perhaps the minimum laptop will be 32 GB. Even so AMD will be solving a new problem for the first time ever and I think performance will be slightly disappointing!
@@dgillies5420 It doesn't uses banks, they use LowPowerDDR chips soldered around the processor, Halo will have 256 bit bus. It's like 4ch DDR just like Threadripper.
@@user-ds8rj2vc4v yeah. Ally 2 has so much potential. And the crazy part is, most of the upgrade with X and 2 doesn’t make OG Ally any less of a product fr. Still amazing
They will to eventually replace what's being used in handhelds now. Of course from the start the prices will be higher until the chip is out for awhile.
Thats a pretty amazing igpu. Were finally approaching igpu performance where you could potentially have a fully fledged gaming rig, and have a great experience in just about any game, on an igpu.
These chips are proving that integrated graphics is absolutely memory bandwidth limited. Only 12% faster than previous gen despite having 25% more compute units, faster clock speeds, and architecture improvements. If you already have an Ally or similar, not much point in upgrading for this chip. We're gonna be waiting until DDR6x is a thing. Strix Halo is rumored to have 4 memory channels, as opposed to 2 that this has, but those are much higher power draw. For laptops that would have otherwise had a 4060 or 7700s.
The problem is ALSO the power limiting, he was running the laptop at only 2/3rd of its potential power, some other UA-camrs are testing the integrated graphics on the Asus ProArt P16 laptops and they perform much, much better than this thermally-limited laptop (which is designed to behave like a MacBook Air).
@@systemBuilder It might perform better in synthetics or CPU heavy tasks with more power. But gaming performance does not improve more than 5% by nearly doubling the power. This graphics unit simply needs more bandwidth. That ProArt also has an RTX 4060, so graphics comparisons are moot.
Tbf AMD said since the beginning RDNA 3.5 is a redesigned RDNA 3 to achieve low power and improve efficiency so even a 12% uplift in performance is a reasonable number when the main goal is efficiency and low power, we need to compare the 780m and the 880m with power draw in mind
@@reiniermoreno1653 Even if there are 0 architectural improvements to performance, this new chip should be 35% faster than the previous in graphics just from having more silicon thrown at it. But it is only 12% faster. Even normalizing power limits, the most favorable comparison shows 15% faster.
Who else came here expecting ETA prime to get the most power delivery (54w?) out of this laptop. Now if I buy one I'm going to have to caress the laptop the way he did when he opened the box!
As long as you don't use it as a laptop replacement... otherwise you will destroy the battery life on those handhelds when keeping it hooked up to a external power source for hours.
@@physxme eyy genuine question cause my math is so bad, how would dis compare to my 1650 laptop in terms of performance? I guess I'd be interested in dis cpu for future handheld chip.
@@Dantemjn This is still a fair bit slower. This is more comparable to a 1050, which is no slouch, but yeah, I too look forward to when iGPUs are 1650 level. Not there yet, though.
The fact that iGPUs can now match and even exceed brand new entry-level desktop GPUs makes me excited. Imagine the kind of power we're going to be able to fit in a new mini PC or a gaming handheld. Hell, imagine fitting this much power into a VR headset. You wouldn't need to buy a PC anymore to get into VR.
People don't really grasp what just happened, your getting RISC like battery and power management but the same performance as always of a high powered chip. Very impressive, 👍
I have a small request. Going forward, can you please leave in the description the name and web site of the video wallpapers used in the videos. Your presentations are awesome especially in your choice of video wallpapers used. I would love to get the one shown at 2:22 in this video. If you can do that it would be great. Keep the videos coming brother!
Amazing performance. Just imagine such a powerful chip is build in the Steam Deck next gen. Of course the TDP is still too high for that but still... 720p/ 800p FSR this thing runs everything at med to max settings locked at 60 or even 90 FPS!
@@bebeenvol8168 thanks for the info, just check it, it's around 11/11.8 tflops, so right inbetween the 12 tflops of xbox and the 10.3 of Ps5. The power of a console in the palm of your hand.
I'm curious if the new NPUs can be programmed for doing hardware upscaling in FSR. That would be more useful in my gamer mindset. Time to catch-up with the quality of DLSS.
RDNA3 already had cores for accelerating machine learning, so they could have done it if they wanted to. My take is that they want FSR to work in almost everything (consoles, low end APUs, etc.) until most people have RDNA 3, 3.5 (thet they'll use for APUs for a long time), 4 or 5, and then they'll release a very good version of FSR4 instead of anything that looks almost the same as FRS 3.1, so the uplift will be more noticeable (like XeSS with the XMX and DP4a versions, with XMX being the selling point for ARC).
@@Nicholas-nu9jx That would be ideal, like XeSS does. But maybe AMD don't want to rush an FSR with AI until they can have more supported GPUs that enhance the improvements and people finally see on par with DLSS.
I remember that my old 2020 Zepyhrus G14 with the RTX 2060 scored about 5,500 on TimeSpy. These new APUs aren't quite there yet, but it's getting close.
Well the more powerful strix halo will be coming out at the end of the year with up to 40 GPU cores matching the M3 max. So I expect it to be decent GPU performance but I’d like to see the M4 max monster.
@@ehtasam2080 There is no way I agree with that. Many have speculated and the consensus is it’ll be around a 4060-4070 mobile GPU. The M3 max is already around a 4070-4080 mobile GPU in many tasks so I’m expecting the M4 to trade blows hopefully with a 4090 mobile in some tasks.
This laptop costs 2100 euros in Europe/Germany. That's a gigantic price tag, and while the components (CPU, display) are impressive, it would have to have Macbook or Surface Laptop build quality & design to match the price. Which it almost surely doesn't have, since ASUS laptops always seem to be multiple steps down.
Has as much CUs as an RX 6500 XT. Now what I want to know is how the hell is the rumored Halo model gonna be able to put that many CUs in such a small die size?
Can you stop running benchmarks with fsr and frame gen by any chance? It makes it really hard to see true performance of these chips meaning I need to look at other people's videos
So, at fulll wattage (54w) is a rtx 3050 laptop (full wattage) without DLSS... But at 15w is 18% faster than previos top of the line?!, pretty cool but... too expensive for what it is, still hope intel can show something with portable battlemage. Hope rdna4 can release sooner... 3.5 looks great but was expected more.
This is what people need to focus on when talking about the handheld version of this chip. Handhelds will most probably topped out at around stable 30W, and realistically use 10-25W for better battery life. So we need to see this chip's performance on something like 15W to compare it to previous gen chip that's on most of the handheld nowadays.
@@MrCoffee0996 Yes, this is the most necessary thing 15watt top performance, hopefully some portable handheld will use this chip so we can make benchmarks on it. Honestly this is still a lot 18% more powerful than the 780M on the same wattage is great, but... how much will this feel compared to previos generation?, this chips are also more expensive than last generation so, people might just prefer to wait for RDNA4 (or whatever intel offer if they can bring it with good drivers).
I'm really keen to see what the Strix Halo series has to offer. I'm not sure if the full 40CU version is Mini PC suitable. But definitely those with 20-32CUs.
@@kmieciu4ever remember we're talking about an iGPU, not a dGPU. getting that type of performance relying only on integrated CU's and shared memory is really interesting and very good
@@juutakaster And that is actually why these high-end iGPUs are pointless right now. You can get a laptop with RTX4050 for half the price that mops the floor with this 890M...
It might be time to switch the Cyberpunk test to medium settings. Apparently the average is 44fps on medium at 1080. With more powerful versions of this chip and its eventual successor, 60fps med at 1080 could be possible soon.
Looks like were now at the point were games like overwatch can run at 240fps on 1080p low, on INTERGRATED graphics. But it would be cool if ETA showed it on low settings.
GPU frequency stays around ~2200 and limit is 2900 Higher TDP could fix that. I think the best could be having 8c with +890 to have more efficient combo. But this will never happened.
Timespy of over 4k? Wow. My tuned and debloated ally can only push alittle over 3k. And the record for anyone's ally (as far as I can tell) is 3500. This chip is very promising. Hopefully we get a $700 or less handheld rocking one of these soon.
@@damianramirez9788 I don't think so, I believe APUs next summer to be announced but RDNA 4 will be announced earlier than that. The one to look out for is Lunar Lake from Intel which is coming in 2 months or less, this one will get substantial increase in performance and more importantly low TDP focus
@@TRX25EX Unless the 900s are featured in some sort of Ryzen 9900HX Mobile (example) or Ryzen 9945U Mobile (example) but dont know... That could be the deal over Lunar Lake!
Wait a minute, that Forza horizon 5 clip looks kinda bad for it being high settings, the aliasing I mean... Are you sure it was on high? Still, its amazing what amd is doing, 28 watt apu, with such epic performance, which just a couple years ago would require at least 100/125 Watts, in a so light laptop
It's awesome that AMD is crushing it. BUT is this enough to fuel the next gen of hand helds or it's going to take a nother generation till we get that chipset?
AMD's answer to what Intel will deliver in their SoCs with the Xe2 GPU cores. It's great to see SoCs/APUs with powerful GPU cores using fast unified memory will become as relevant for gamers while much more efficient than dedicated GPU cards. Apple has showed already what excellently designed Arm based SoCs with tightly optimized HW & SW and fast unified memory can do while still more efficiently than x86 SoCs. It's more than clear that SoCs r the WAVE of the FUTURE so both SoCs chips and unified memory architecture will play KEY ROLE in the future as ONLY this combination can achieve best possible leading efficiency and performance per watt.
I wouldn't personally buy anything Asus for a few years, they managed to fail in some core aspects with almost anything they touched (motherboard, handheld, notebook issues left and right, bad customer service, what else to list?!) in the past years, but the chip is very interesting! Looking forward to see more coverage on it.
Now that the AI is here, I think it should be part of your video routin to also test and run and Local Large Language Model (LLM) on those systems to see how they perform with the NPU
Makes me wonder if Nintendo is gonna pick Nvidia or AMD for their next system...AMD with their IGPU are just insane ,but Nvidia with their GPU and upscaling technologies are just insane too .
Nvidia because Switch 2 is going to be backwards compatible with Switch games. It would be a hassle switching architectures and instruction sets between Switch and Switch 2.
It is just going to get better from here, give it about 2 to 3 years and you will not even need a graphics card anymore to play the latest games at 60fps 1080p high settings, making gaming less expensive
Just bought the ROG Ally X, and this doesn't get me excited because implementing it on a PC handheld is going to have power constraints. I'll be more impressed when they use usb4.2 or Thunderbolt 5. Maybe in 3 or 4 years I'll buy when there's a big leap in technology performance.
I would really love for a laptop with these new AMD chips but with a 100whr battery, 17" IPS black display (I own my laptops for a decade an OLED display is absolutely not going to survive in my usage) and a numpad so I can work.
Yeah but considering the price of this currently being $1400 you can easily get a 4070 mobile which is still in a whole other region of performance still. Of course that's higher TDP and has its own downsides like basically no play on battery but when it comes to pure value for performance on the mobile platform you will still be much better off with an typical gaming laptop. It doesn't really make much sense as a product yet but in a gaming handheld it definitely could.
28 watt and destroying everything? I wonder what monster amd hiding in 54 watt
Probably no difference like the 780m
@@TVCHLORDActually benchmarks show a full good performance lift.
Probably in Zephyrus g16 2024 devices will give full power to it.
imagine this in mini pc with decent cooling system
don't expect much because the performance is most likely limited by memory bandwidth rather than cpu/gpu clock speed
@@photholatoeschannel4756 yessssss ser9 bring it on!!!
Strix Halo waiting room.
I wouldn't hold my breath for Strix Halo. Shared memory IGPUs will suffer from the von Neumann bottleneck. They will have to change to 4 memory banks rather than two (fyi threadripper pro uses 8 banks). This will make them more expensive and perhaps the minimum laptop will be 32 GB. Even so AMD will be solving a new problem for the first time ever and I think performance will be slightly disappointing!
@@dgillies5420 It doesn't uses banks, they use LowPowerDDR chips soldered around the processor, Halo will have 256 bit bus. It's like 4ch DDR just like Threadripper.
@@dgillies5420Halo has a 256 bit bus as well as infinity cache.
Me too. 8 + 20 Halo would finally be worth upgrading to. Especially if it only requires a USBC charger.
When is Strix Halo supposed to come?
This chip with the rog Ally 2 and a 80wh battery will literally be untouchable.
Crazy battery life
Throw a USB4.2 port on it too, so we get double the bandwidth with eGPUs and it'd be a desktop killer for me.
@@user-ds8rj2vc4v yeah. Ally 2 has so much potential. And the crazy part is, most of the upgrade with X and 2 doesn’t make OG Ally any less of a product fr. Still amazing
@@fresco_dinero5155Ally X, yeah, OG Ally? Too skinny
Unless Steam Deck 2 use optimized version of this.
Good God...look at the temps...never seen that in a laptop while gaming ever no matter how good the cooling is.
Damn it AMD, put this soc in a handheld asap😤
I think this is the incentive for people to get a laptop version of their APU.
But ya never know.
So people can complain why it doesn't cost 300?
They will to eventually replace what's being used in handhelds now. Of course from the start the prices will be higher until the chip is out for awhile.
@@edbane1656 Some people complain, the rest of us enjoy our cheap what for they are handheld PC's.
Didn't you hear? Ayaneo just announced 47 new models using this chip
Okay...waiting for Minisforum to put out a minipc with this....
They put out dozens of em
$399 gmktec barebone for me
@@Nicholas-nu9jx With HX370 APUs? Link?
and geekom
@@malcaniscsm5184 He doesn't know what he's talking about.
Can't wait for Rog Ally 2 and steam deck 2 with variations of this chip!
Ryzen 9000 RDNA4 APU next yr, i think Valve, ROG, Lenovo and others Chinese Companies like GPD will get that Chipset for there next Handheld Lineup
@@ohyeah5172 nope
Not this one
@@ohyeah5172 Do you know if it's coming in the first half of next year or later?
@@tanmaysharma2742 my prediction Q1 for AMD GPU RDNA4 then Q2 for AMD APU Ryzen 9000 RDNA4, i think MID 2025 for the Handheld Release
Thats a pretty amazing igpu. Were finally approaching igpu performance where you could potentially have a fully fledged gaming rig, and have a great experience in just about any game, on an igpu.
very interesting indeed for not too 'gamers' users
Played at 2880x1800, upscale from 1440x900 could be really nice. Especially on such a small display (compared to desktop). Impressive stuff.
Yeah thats a good clean upscale especially with AI
This in handhelds about to be wild! 💪🏾
These chips are proving that integrated graphics is absolutely memory bandwidth limited. Only 12% faster than previous gen despite having 25% more compute units, faster clock speeds, and architecture improvements.
If you already have an Ally or similar, not much point in upgrading for this chip. We're gonna be waiting until DDR6x is a thing.
Strix Halo is rumored to have 4 memory channels, as opposed to 2 that this has, but those are much higher power draw. For laptops that would have otherwise had a 4060 or 7700s.
The problem is ALSO the power limiting, he was running the laptop at only 2/3rd of its potential power, some other UA-camrs are testing the integrated graphics on the Asus ProArt P16 laptops and they perform much, much better than this thermally-limited laptop (which is designed to behave like a MacBook Air).
@@systemBuilder It might perform better in synthetics or CPU heavy tasks with more power. But gaming performance does not improve more than 5% by nearly doubling the power. This graphics unit simply needs more bandwidth.
That ProArt also has an RTX 4060, so graphics comparisons are moot.
16CUs is 33% increase over the 780M's 12CUs. Clock is basically the same, but yeah these iGPUs are heavily bandwidth constrained.
Tbf AMD said since the beginning RDNA 3.5 is a redesigned RDNA 3 to achieve low power and improve efficiency so even a 12% uplift in performance is a reasonable number when the main goal is efficiency and low power, we need to compare the 780m and the 880m with power draw in mind
@@reiniermoreno1653 Even if there are 0 architectural improvements to performance, this new chip should be 35% faster than the previous in graphics just from having more silicon thrown at it. But it is only 12% faster. Even normalizing power limits, the most favorable comparison shows 15% faster.
Who else came here expecting ETA prime to get the most power delivery (54w?) out of this laptop. Now if I buy one I'm going to have to caress the laptop the way he did when he opened the box!
I am waiting for the Radeon 890M version for handheld. I don't have a laptop or pc and I need a handheld gaming that can replace my laptop
As long as you don't use it as a laptop replacement... otherwise you will destroy the battery life on those handhelds when keeping it hooked up to a external power source for hours.
@@Luffy2Y aren't supposed that handhelds have pass through when are connected?
@@Luffy2Y bypass charging
Awesome! Can't wait to buy one of these, encounter a motherboard issue, then get ripped off by ASUS somehow during the RMA process 👍
This guy knows
This is the way.
You know da wae
RMA process supposed to be better now. You know what's more of a ripoff? A Snapdragon laptop.
Third world country problem.
In short timespy graphics score 33% stronger than 780M, marginally stronger than RX 6400 (about 2%).
@@physxme eyy genuine question cause my math is so bad, how would dis compare to my 1650 laptop in terms of performance? I guess I'd be interested in dis cpu for future handheld chip.
3000 vs 3600 time spy graphics is only 20%
Albeit the 6400 was pretty gimped from launch, an APU trading blows with a dGPU from just a few years back pretty damn impressive.
Legion go can reach 3220 graphics score at 28 watts so more like 13%
@@Dantemjn This is still a fair bit slower. This is more comparable to a 1050, which is no slouch, but yeah, I too look forward to when iGPUs are 1650 level. Not there yet, though.
Temps are wilds😍 50degrees for all this performance 🎉 AMD is doing a pretty good job
Steam Deck 2 is going to be CRAZY!!! 🔥🔥🔥
The fact that iGPUs can now match and even exceed brand new entry-level desktop GPUs makes me excited. Imagine the kind of power we're going to be able to fit in a new mini PC or a gaming handheld. Hell, imagine fitting this much power into a VR headset. You wouldn't need to buy a PC anymore to get into VR.
A minipc from minisforum with this igpu at a price point of around 600 and I am in for my dream retro game machine 😜
you can buy a top of the line cpu w the money, but fair enough price
With how good games run, I wouldn't mind running games on default screen res...this is honestly impressive.
seems very premium laptop though wonder how much it costs
People don't really grasp what just happened, your getting RISC like battery and power management but the same performance as always of a high powered chip. Very impressive, 👍
QNED + miniled monitors should definitely be next because they're far cheaper than oled and only loose on black levels. Bright levels are amazing.
the cost isn't all that relevant in a laptop
@@danzjz3923 every dollar counts, especially in this economy
great, now we waiting for one in a mini pc
I have a small request. Going forward, can you please leave in the description the name and web site of the video wallpapers used in the videos. Your presentations are awesome especially in your choice of video wallpapers used. I would love to get the one shown at 2:22 in this video. If you can do that it would be great. Keep the videos coming brother!
Amazing performance. Just imagine such a powerful chip is build in the Steam Deck next gen. Of course the TDP is still too high for that but still... 720p/ 800p FSR this thing runs everything at med to max settings locked at 60 or even 90 FPS!
We will soon have minipc with the same power of ps5 and xbox series x at a quarter of the volume
The 890m are only 1Tflops less powerful than Xbox Series X.
@@bebeenvol8168 thanks for the info, just check it, it's around 11/11.8 tflops, so right inbetween the 12 tflops of xbox and the 10.3 of Ps5.
The power of a console in the palm of your hand.
@@bebeenvol8168tflops is only a measure of floating point compute. its like saying my car had more rpms than yours so its faster
@@pedgarageif you're buying this laptop expecting current gen console performance you're going to be sorely disappointed
The new handhelds using this are going to be insane. Might be time to trade in that Steam Deck
I can't wait for next-gen custom APU for Steam Deck, based on this, I think it could help clean up mid -40FPS on some games on steam deck to 60++FPS.
The performance level is insane, especially when you look and see that it's pixel fill rate and floating point power is close to an Xbox series X!
and when have they ever been an indicator of gaming performance
I'm curious if the new NPUs can be programmed for doing hardware upscaling in FSR. That would be more useful in my gamer mindset. Time to catch-up with the quality of DLSS.
@@SamuHell782 yes Microsoft has one that is limited to Snapdragon for now. Read Auto SR
RDNA3 already had cores for accelerating machine learning, so they could have done it if they wanted to. My take is that they want FSR to work in almost everything (consoles, low end APUs, etc.) until most people have RDNA 3, 3.5 (thet they'll use for APUs for a long time), 4 or 5, and then they'll release a very good version of FSR4 instead of anything that looks almost the same as FRS 3.1, so the uplift will be more noticeable (like XeSS with the XMX and DP4a versions, with XMX being the selling point for ARC).
@@A-Ghorab but is a spacial upscaler, not temporal. That means even FSR 3.1 is better in motion and lower framerates than AutoSR.
@@Just_An_Ignaciomaybe have fsr and fsr Ai
@@Nicholas-nu9jx That would be ideal, like XeSS does. But maybe AMD don't want to rush an FSR with AI until they can have more supported GPUs that enhance the improvements and people finally see on par with DLSS.
I remember that my old 2020 Zepyhrus G14 with the RTX 2060 scored about 5,500 on TimeSpy. These new APUs aren't quite there yet, but it's getting close.
Well the more powerful strix halo will be coming out at the end of the year with up to 40 GPU cores matching the M3 max.
So I expect it to be decent GPU performance but I’d like to see the M4 max monster.
@@GlobalWave1strix halo will be 35% faster than m4 max 40 core using same power envelop
@@ehtasam2080 There is no way I agree with that. Many have speculated and the consensus is it’ll be around a 4060-4070 mobile GPU.
The M3 max is already around a 4070-4080 mobile GPU in many tasks so I’m expecting the M4 to trade blows hopefully with a 4090 mobile in some tasks.
@@GlobalWave1 M3 40 core = rtx 4050 laptop GPU or rtx 2060 desktop GPU.
Strix halo = 4060 to 4070 laptop GPU
@@GlobalWave1 M3 max 40 core also uses 90 watts
Probably be able to get another 20% performance pushing it to 54 watts in thicker notebooks
If this comes on desktop PC with 65W TDP, it will easily replace low end cards (such as RX 6500XT) and be a worthy APU to buy.
This laptop costs 2100 euros in Europe/Germany. That's a gigantic price tag, and while the components (CPU, display) are impressive, it would have to have Macbook or Surface Laptop build quality & design to match the price. Which it almost surely doesn't have, since ASUS laptops always seem to be multiple steps down.
@@leakyabstraction Asus is always severely over priced
Especially when you are used to AMD being the cheaper choice.
Build quality is definitely superior to the MacBook Air, but they botched the camera, as shown by notebookcheck. Everything else is superior.
At 2.1k euro you can likely get a much more powerful laptop too.
Now is time for some good windows handheld. Steam Deck 2, maybe...
Fudge!!! I just pulled the trigger on an intel 14900hx laptop!! Damn!!!
11:05 are you sure thats 1080p because that doesnt look like 1080p at all
the games look like shit , i dont believe what he says about the settings
@@Popostarr it looks like 720p to me which would explain the crazy fps increase
@@TVCHLORD he is probably payed to make it look better so thats why he says these things,but look at how shit forza looks like
It could be just that it’s not the native resolution of the display
Gaming at a lower resolution than the display
the multicore performance compared to a xeon is wild --- crazy workstation performance with those cores.
Has as much CUs as an RX 6500 XT. Now what I want to know is how the hell is the rumored Halo model gonna be able to put that many CUs in such a small die size?
@Neopulse00 The Strix Halo die is large, different animal entirely.
Strix Halo will also need 4 memory banks instead of 2 which virtually guarantees soldered-on memory and 32gb minimums ...
FP11 die is massive
Halo is not only a much bigger die, it won't even fit in the same socket.
@@dgillies542032gb+ would be great. I'm fine with soldered memory if there is enough and it gives a performance benefit.
Can you stop running benchmarks with fsr and frame gen by any chance? It makes it really hard to see true performance of these chips meaning I need to look at other people's videos
How else will he artificially shill for everything that arrives at his doorstep?
I really like how small and neat that charging brick is.
Time really flies. This igpu is beating my RX 570 xD
same cpu power as a 5700x + 20% of a 7800 xt for just 30w is crazy ! Its getting possible to light game on laptop !
How high are your standards/what are you playing if this isn't enough for light gaming already
I definitely want this on a MINI PC or handheld.
Lets gooooooo, this is my dream handheld specs!!!!
So, at fulll wattage (54w) is a rtx 3050 laptop (full wattage) without DLSS...
But at 15w is 18% faster than previos top of the line?!, pretty cool but... too expensive for what it is, still hope intel can show something with portable battlemage.
Hope rdna4 can release sooner... 3.5 looks great but was expected more.
Don't forget to add 125 watts for the intel cpu with the 3050.
This is what people need to focus on when talking about the handheld version of this chip. Handhelds will most probably topped out at around stable 30W, and realistically use 10-25W for better battery life. So we need to see this chip's performance on something like 15W to compare it to previous gen chip that's on most of the handheld nowadays.
@@blegi1245 Like I said, I will wait for lunar lake, it makes no sense comparing this with older generation products at this point.
@@MrCoffee0996 Yes, this is the most necessary thing 15watt top performance, hopefully some portable handheld will use this chip so we can make benchmarks on it.
Honestly this is still a lot 18% more powerful than the 780M on the same wattage is great, but... how much will this feel compared to previos generation?, this chips are also more expensive than last generation so, people might just prefer to wait for RDNA4 (or whatever intel offer if they can bring it with good drivers).
@soragranda 18% isn't that great for me. I'm gonna stay with my Ally X until they have RDNA4 I think.
Hey ETA Prime, can I put in a request for a 8700G Emulation only video on the 780m iGPU? I can't find any video of it in your channel.
The Mini PCs packing this are going to be FIRE.
true
I'm really keen to see what the Strix Halo series has to offer. I'm not sure if the full 40CU version is Mini PC suitable. But definitely those with 20-32CUs.
About as fast as an RX 570 or gtx1060 3gb. Pretty damn good
Pretty damn pathetic since GTX1060 is 8 years old ;-)
@@kmieciu4ever remember we're talking about an iGPU, not a dGPU. getting that type of performance relying only on integrated CU's and shared memory is really interesting and very good
shared memory speed is about 8x slower than dedicated vram btw
@@juutakaster And that is actually why these high-end iGPUs are pointless right now. You can get a laptop with RTX4050 for half the price that mops the floor with this 890M...
It might be time to switch the Cyberpunk test to medium settings. Apparently the average is 44fps on medium at 1080. With more powerful versions of this chip and its eventual successor, 60fps med at 1080 could be possible soon.
Looks like were now at the point were games like overwatch can run at 240fps on 1080p low, on INTERGRATED graphics. But it would be cool if ETA showed it on low settings.
GPU frequency stays around ~2200 and limit is 2900
Higher TDP could fix that.
I think the best could be having 8c with +890 to have more efficient combo. But this will never happened.
Please add a Blender Benchmark. It is free for everyone, runs on any OS and tests both CPU and GPU.
Timespy of over 4k? Wow. My tuned and debloated ally can only push alittle over 3k. And the record for anyone's ally (as far as I can tell) is 3500. This chip is very promising. Hopefully we get a $700 or less handheld rocking one of these soon.
RDNA 4 iGPU's next year will be the ones to get in handhelds
30 watts while idle, that's a true AI future nobody asked for.
30 watts max
30 wats idle before doing stress test wanna see intel lunar lake idle power draw
Lame Apple crushes that at max load.
0:11 WHAT THE HELL IS THAT NOISE, WITH HEADPHONES ON IT GOT ME SPOOKED
game audio
Z2 extreme incoming
Incredible chip
@@nrabbi93 it won't be based on 800 series IGPU they skipping to 900 series because 800 not good enough
@@TRX25EXThat once 900s are even announced...
Most probably CES 2025....
@@damianramirez9788 I don't think so, I believe APUs next summer to be announced but RDNA 4 will be announced earlier than that.
The one to look out for is Lunar Lake from Intel which is coming in 2 months or less, this one will get substantial increase in performance and more importantly low TDP focus
@@TRX25EX Unless the 900s are featured in some sort of Ryzen 9900HX Mobile (example) or Ryzen 9945U Mobile (example) but dont know...
That could be the deal over Lunar Lake!
Still can't beat LG Gram 16 with 16 inch OLED, 3050 at 2.98 lbs. It's more expensive unless you can catch a Costco sale...
it's amazing, the performance and temps are incredible...
Wait a minute, that Forza horizon 5 clip looks kinda bad for it being high settings, the aliasing I mean... Are you sure it was on high? Still, its amazing what amd is doing, 28 watt apu, with such epic performance, which just a couple years ago would require at least 100/125 Watts, in a so light laptop
Oh noice live wallpaper of shrine from Genshin Impact😍
Anyway
Emulation Tests please 😁🥺
Can't wait to see that monster on a handheld mode
you went from raspberry pies to high end laptops😮 thats impressive
Waiting for Mini PCs with those CPUs 😊
Cant wait for handhelds to start using this
25 watts! Could you imagine this in a steam deck
omg, crazy. I want laptop with this gpu
I love videos about APUs and gaming.
It's awesome that AMD is crushing it. BUT is this enough to fuel the next gen of hand helds or it's going to take a nother generation till we get that chipset?
Would definitely love to see a bit better performance at lower TDP for sure
When is the desktop 890m coming?
Maybe 10600G and 10700G will come in next year
AMD's answer to what Intel will deliver in their SoCs with the Xe2 GPU cores. It's great to see SoCs/APUs with powerful GPU cores using fast unified memory will become as relevant for gamers while much more efficient than dedicated GPU cards.
Apple has showed already what excellently designed Arm based SoCs with tightly optimized HW & SW and fast unified memory can do while still more efficiently than x86 SoCs. It's more than clear that SoCs r the WAVE of the FUTURE so both SoCs chips and unified memory architecture will play KEY ROLE in the future as ONLY this combination can achieve best possible leading efficiency and performance per watt.
Don't care about the looks and feel of this laptop. Only interested in the 890M performance. 😅
I wouldn't personally buy anything Asus for a few years, they managed to fail in some core aspects with almost anything they touched (motherboard, handheld, notebook issues left and right, bad customer service, what else to list?!) in the past years, but the chip is very interesting!
Looking forward to see more coverage on it.
Time Spy graphics score of 3600 would put this in line with RX 470.
This is crazy, AMD just invented the gaming notebook 2.0
I'm really hoping they can use the NPU for A.I upscaling technology.
Maybe with FSR 4.1.
what does the copilot button do? like if you press it what happens?
I kinda like the idea of a copilot button. I can rebind it to open the terminal. Have it do something actually useful.
Thanks for testing FO4. That was the game I was really curious about.
Legion go 2!!! Let's do this!
Zen5 cores is crazy 🔥🔥
Now that the AI is here, I think it should be part of your video routin to also test and run and Local Large Language Model (LLM) on those systems to see how they perform with the NPU
12:33 "Fist impressions" chapter title xD
Makes me wonder if Nintendo is gonna pick Nvidia or AMD for their next system...AMD with their IGPU are just insane ,but Nvidia with their GPU and upscaling technologies are just insane too .
Rumors suggest Nvidia. These plans are made years in advance
Nvidia because Switch 2 is going to be backwards compatible with Switch games. It would be a hassle switching architectures and instruction sets between Switch and Switch 2.
It is just going to get better from here, give it about 2 to 3 years and you will not even need a graphics card anymore to play the latest games at 60fps 1080p high settings, making gaming less expensive
Just bought the ROG Ally X, and this doesn't get me excited because implementing it on a PC handheld is going to have power constraints. I'll be more impressed when they use usb4.2 or Thunderbolt 5. Maybe in 3 or 4 years I'll buy when there's a big leap in technology performance.
this laptop is perfect insane screen and solid specs
I would really love for a laptop with these new AMD chips but with a 100whr battery, 17" IPS black display (I own my laptops for a decade an OLED display is absolutely not going to survive in my usage) and a numpad so I can work.
Wow this is better than the RTX3050ti on my Legion 5i.
i dont think it is our you have some problem there
You always have fire backgrounds. Where do you find them?
@ 5:49 error, Radeon 890m, not 880m iGPU.
This CPU : ''All laptops are now gaming laptops.''
Yeah but considering the price of this currently being $1400 you can easily get a 4070 mobile which is still in a whole other region of performance still. Of course that's higher TDP and has its own downsides like basically no play on battery but when it comes to pure value for performance on the mobile platform you will still be much better off with an typical gaming laptop. It doesn't really make much sense as a product yet but in a gaming handheld it definitely could.
laptop manufacturer nowdays: let's give them big touchpad but reduce the arrow keys for user's big hand
Cheers @ETA PRIME , the gaming test was made unplugged or plugged in the charger ?? And if you did unplugged how was battery drain during the tests ??
5:26 Dang!!! I didn't know it was a Touch Screen Laptop
This chipset with handheld would be best on the go game device with great battery life
Why is tech UA-cam still obsessed with running Cinebench R23 still? We're nearly done with 2024 now!
WE NEED TDP TESTING!!!!