I was shopping for a new electric range and so happy I found out the problems with these new stoves before I bought one. I am now just going to keep mine as it still works.
When you do eventually buy a new stove you can pull the coils off of your existing stove and plug them right into a new coil top model like shown in the video. Then there will be no difference in the new and old stove.
Another thing to make sure of is that the wattage of the coils is the same. A lot of 8" replacement coils you can buy are only 2100w where the stove would have come with a 2600w coil when new. Maintenance replaced my old beat up coils with new ones and despite being perfectly flat they sucked even more than the 20 year old bent coils. I found out that they only order the slightly cheaper 2100w coils as replacements, but this model stove came with 2600w when new. The 2100w coil performed about as well as the 2600w safety coils on my Mom's new Frigidaire stove, but the classic 2600w coils absolutely blow the safety coils out of the water.
My wife and I bought our first home about 9 years ago, the elderly couple were kind enough to leave a base model Tappan stove for us. It's needed a new dial for one of the burners, two new burning elements, a heating element for the oven, and the circuit board that runs the oven failed. Fixed it all myself in spite of my wife wanting to ditch it a couple of times lol, but honestly the parts are so cheap and it's very easy to fix, I just can't see getting rid of it. I'd hate to replace it with something that couldn't be fixed easily with almost universal parts, so in my opinion it's a keeper. All those parts totalled less than $200 over the years and took just a few minutes to install. Not to mention everyone wants to be "green" these days, in my opinion I'm doing my part keeping an old stove going vs spending a thousand dollars on a new glass top that looks snazzy.
Good video. I got a new stove last year with the new coils. Not only is it terrible at keeping things hot, but when I cook something in a skillet I've noticed there is a cold spot in the center of my skillet. I believe it's because those sensors are so large in the middle of the coil. I'm constantly moving the skillet around to get it (and keep it) hot. I prefer the old coils.
@@kathrynkathryn4836 I use cast iron, in fact all of my skillets are cast iron, just how I grew up, but it doesn't matter, still cold spots. I noticed in another comment below that if I replace the coils, I need to be aware of the wattage, something I didn't know.
Never been disappointed with this channel. They are always informative and nice to watch. The device shown in the middle of the heating element is known as a thermal switch. It acts as a closed switch until it reaches a set temperature and then it opens up. It will automatically close back at another preset temperature.
Good to know I can (potentially) just pop the old style coils into my stove. I'm unfortunately stuck using one of these newer style coil stoves and I'm so tired of the burner turning off on me.
I've heard these stoves are really popular in apartments where the landlord has no faith in the tenants which is sad... it'd be a fine product (maybe) except for the hundreds of horror stories I've heard of people not even being able to boil water. You'd think they'd iron out the bugs as this product has been available for quite a number of years now...
Where are you from as I’m from Canada and I haven’t seen stoves with these new burners in any stores and I didn’t even know they existed until I watched them video
@@dogcat823I’m in Canada (Alberta) and was out shopping for new stove today and all the coil element stoves had those sensors so for that reason only, it was a no even though a coil stove was what I was after. I could see the problems I might have as soon as I seen these and asked about them.
I have this type for just 1 year.. What a nightmare..I complain all year. My husband finally tried to cook on it.. we're now buying a gas stove... Over a grand wasted on this crap😡
Grew up with gas stoves. Moved into a house with an electric stove. Took a bit to get used to. Had one smooth top and loved it! Now have a new coil top with the center caps, it still heats w/o a pot on it and doesn't heat as fast as old ones. Have an induction burner just for boiling water!
I do a lot of canning and pickling. These sensi-temp burners are simply not hot enough for canning. Today i was making grape jam, which requires a minimum liquid temp of 217°. Never could get it beyond 215°. Watched it boil for a half hour, with the digital thermometer reading 215° at cutoff, then cooling to 211° before turning back on. Back and forth, 211/215. I'm stuck with a crapload of grape syrup instead of jam because of this useless feature 😂
Man I gotta say, I been a follower of your channel for a while now. I’m really not interested in appliances, but your videos are great and teach me a lot. Somehow you’ve captured my attention on a subject I just really don’t care about lol. Good job 👏. I’ve got a few channels like this, there is a channel with a guy who does concrete work, another subject that I really just don’t care about but somehow my attention gets grabbed and I enjoy the content. It’s cool because I learn about things that I have no interest in and never set out to learn anything about. Keep up the good work!
I understand and appreciate your support! Appliances can be pretty mundane and I get that, so I try to at least make the education videos a little bit entertaining!
@@bensappliancesandjunk you really do! 🤓 And I would even add that i learned something (about fridges specifically) that I was able to translate to my European/German home environment, where some appliances are a little bit different than in North America (washing machines, ACs and stoves for example).
@@bensappliancesandjunk I’m from Canada and I haven’t seen stoves with these new burners in any stores and I didn’t even know they existed until I watched them video
Thank you so much for this video, and today you just solved my 2 months' problems. I went to Home Depot today and $31.50 costs, and it works ....Thank you
This is such a great video. Here we are as consumers living at the mercy of ill-designed products. They have us working for our "machines" instead of the machines working for us. These "new coils" look like they can remove the joy of cooking. Even if you bypass the new coils and install old ones there goes the joy of feeling safe. I've always loved your videos. You are a master.
9:03 Water boils at 212 F. The pots are too reflective to get accurate readings unless the temp gun has adjustable emmissivity for different surface types, but most inexpensive temp guns have fixed emmissivity. I'm guessing your temp gun has fixed emmissivity. The 202 F reading with the water boiling should have tipped you off that the temp gun was way out in left field.
I wonder just how many heating cycles those temperature sensors in the new coils are good for. The more moving parts, the more things to break. I am still using a 27 year old GE stove with the traditional coils and it always works great.
Depending how much cooking you do that thermal fuse is the same as a dryer the more you use it the weaker it gets you could get a few years to 10 yrs tough to say everyones different and you said you got a 27yro GE stove keep it going super easy to repair for the newer stove with the safety coils just walk away i knew a few people that have them and boy do they hate them ... for cheap insurance buy a fire extinguisher
If one has a stove with those temperature switches why not just bypass them? Simply connect the two leads together. Then it will work just like an old style coil burner. Of course one would still have a cold spot in the middle but until one can buy a standard replacement it would work.
A friend of mine who is a cooks cook bought the GE convection w coil stove top rig. Raved about it. I bought the non convection version (about 4 yrs ago). I am a house sitter- use every type, brand,etc . I have to say that I prefer mine. It's fast , efficient, even heat. WAY better than my previous old school rig and so much more even than all of the fancy ones I've used. Besides stoves, I have used a million other appliance brands of appliances - I pretty much agree with your assessment of everything. Fab channel!
Grease fire? Keep your stove clean to prevent it and once in a while, when I see grease coating the element, I turn on the element for a couple of minutes to burn the grease away. I also use stoves for emergency heating, run a couple of rings and be sure to have a fan blowing on top of the elements.
I completely agree with you tonylam9548. I'm almost 70 now and have used wood, gas and electric stoves for decades. Everyone I grew up with used them too. I only know of one person who had a grease fire on their stove. I was there when it happened and it scared the hell out of them but they simply threw a damp towel on it and it went out. Keep your stove clean!
Everything in America is made disposable to resell. the terrorist government is ran by the same race/family the corporations usually. They work together to ban force consumers to buy new stuff constantly. They say they are an alien race enslaving humanity. Which makes sense since all president's recently including Obama mom are related to everyone allowed to own an do anything. Note Obama mom looks like 80% Hollywood an the government an UA-cam pop stars. As aliens they may possibly be able to shapeshift. Usually when not black hair black eye grey skins with yamakas; they have blondes or others with massive bug alien eyes working for them. An they try to kill humans who see them. I ran for president to expose an eliminate them but apparently I'm not their species so not allowed on tv
I went to find a coil stove and found the exact same as the one in this video. The glass top stoves the markings tend to disappear is the only reason I didn't want it. Thank you for explaining this type of coil.
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You, "don't know how the coils work"?! That's confidence-inspiring.
Years ago they "improved" washing machines with washer plates...no agitators. Worst purchase of an appliance I ever made. Was about to buy a coil top stove (not a fan of glass tops). The new heat limiters are not for me. Are all coil top stoves mandated to have them?
I have the new coil top stove and I find that I get the best a most even cooking using cast iron when the coil cuts off the cast iron holds its temp and by the time the temp starts to drop the coil cuts back on to it’s not really noticeable h
Seems like this safety feature just adds another potential point of failure. If you had issues with a burner before this feature was introduced it was almost always the result of a failing infinite switch. Now they've gone and put extra 'lectronics in what used to be a much simpler setup. Sure... it should be simple to diagnose a bad temp sensor (it looks like a normally closed temp controlled switch), but I'll bet if it's bad you need to replace the whole element... or just bypass the sensor :-)
Good information. I’m going to replace one of my sensor coils with a regular one - the one I use primarily to boil water. Always wondered why it was slower.
Great video , Any time you are dealing with stoves , BBQs you should never walk away . I never do because it is too easy to get distracted and forget . If I do usually using the oven set the timer so you do not forget .
Excellent reporting just a note i went to a local appliance store looking for a new stove and the sales person avoided the New coil top stove but I was intrigued by the safety switch and he said it won't boil so don't buy it 😂😮😅
I'm fairness, there do exist external stove thermal cutoffs, they plug right into the 3/4 pin connector and then it mounts onto the rear or side wall. I can't say how extremely effective they are but they've prevented a couple of fires, biggest issue is setting the clock back.
I have had similar experiences with the closed style of cook top. But this was a 29 euro, 2 plate ultra cheap one though with thermostatic control. At its maximum, it would still cycle on and off which made it slower when boiling a large pot of pasta, but also - and that was especially annoying - make it impossible to do a good stir fry. It was cheap so it was alright, but i did consider installing an extra knob so i could just run it full power. But as you say, i was sorta worried about getting in trouble and something went wrong with it - and it then being my fault.
Good to know. I don't plan to ever get a coil type electric stove again. We have a 30 year old Magic Chef with the removable coils. I hate it. Takes a long time to heat water to boiling and hard to control temps as once it is hot (have to tilt/lift the pot to keep it from boiling over until it cools off). One thing this stove has done several times is the connection socket contacts that the coils plugs into gets loose over time and arcs. I've changed the one on the burner we use the most (right front) several times. At least this stove doesn't have all the electronic BS.
was saying the same thing BS safety Devices Ben did a real nice test but cook REAL FOOD and see how much you would love your new Stove with all the BS safety devices YES SAFETY DEVICES WORK but overdoing it is a BIG problem because smart OK DUMB people will find a way to override a SAFETY DEVICE trust me see it first hand
I keep hearing about the induction stoves, but few articles say anything about how safe they are for people who have medical devices like a pacemaker, since there is a magnetic field involved with the cooktops. If you haven’t done your video on induction stoves yet, could you address the issue? I enjoy your videos and have learned so much from them!
What is your deal? Do you know how rapidly the magnetic flux decays with distance? It's amazing the technology used to save people like you. Of course another post 2020 account.
We need to replace our stove andhave been avoiding a glass top because we pressure can and are worried that a glass top could shatter. Do you have any recommendations on a glass top that can safely hold a pressure canner filled with jars and water?
We've had a couple of grease fires with our old coil-top stove, so grease fires are no joke. They were mostly caused by my middle brother who would put margarine in a pan, set it on high, and walk away forgetting about it. Someone just happened to walk into the kitchen and see the inferno. I honestly don't know why we didn't have any fire damage from those instances. Probably because we just caught it in time. Water will spread the oil making the fire ten times worse. Get a lid to smother the fire.
My wife and I have bought a new GE stove model JCBS280DMWW. It comes with the new coil and we would like to know what pre-band coils to get that will fit. We're very busy and need to cook quickly, I've had normal element stoves and never had a grease fire. I know GE makes the older coils, I just need the model numbers for the 6 and 8-inch elements.
I think it's because the people who design these things don't really cook. It is truly ridiculous that the placement of controls on freestanding ranges require users to get steam or oil burns on their forearms if they need to adjust the heat, It's a built=in safety hazard.
I personally prefer glass top stoves, but mine needs to be replaced and the reviews of the new ones are abysmal. I don't want a glass top that breaks if you look at it funny. The main reason the new coils can't even boil water is because manufacturers want to kill off the longer lasting coil stoves. They could make effective and safe coil stoves, but they'd rather rip you off.
Gas stoves are inherently more risky while using them. But the UL equivalent in my country does require them to have a thermocouple so if somehow the flame goes out, gas won't flow out - and you have to keep the knob pushed in for 10 seconds after ignition for it to heat up, meaning that pets won't be able to start the gas or ignite it, avoiding the risk that Ben showed with the Samsung stove recall video and electric stoves turned on too easily by accident.
If people would just clean their crap a lot of these issues we face today would be nonexistent. Too bad I lost my old gas stove in a fishing accident, I'm gonna have to use one of those probably maybe. On a serious note, how are things there? You guys still boiling water? (You know what I mean)
We have been in the appliance/ furniture business since 1979. This has became a constant complaint with these ranges. The easiest solution is to order a set of older elements. It’s absolutely ridiculous that you can’t boil water because UL decides it isn’t safe. You can’t find a washer with a mechanical timer and these new control boards are garbage. Since 2018 appliances have really went to crap.
Hey Keith, I am working on a video regarding the history of Maytag and what led to them getting bought out. Any thoughts on Maytag in the 1980s and 1990s and 00s with their product line? I know about the massive Neptune debacle and what caused a lot of issues with it. But I'm trying to deep-dive into PAV and SAV models with their issues or lack of them. Any advice?
whirlpool has kits that they will sell thru parts to fix this I’ve put several of them on. At least they did I’ve been running strictly high end service calls sub/wolf Viking Jenn air for asko, etc. for about a year
I just bought ge stove with these safety burners,I hate them.I cannot even get to point of finishing a complete cooking process & they cut off in middle of cooking.I have to keep hopping from burner to burner.Tried to make fried chicken & forget it,will not let oil get hot enough.Paid enough for this stove & now have to buy old style burners for it too?They are expensive. IM SO DISAPPOINTED
In the 1970s to 1990s stove manufacturers had different levels of burner quality. If you paid more, the burner had tighter coils. New coil tops are the bottom of the line product. (Though much more likely to work than any Samsung product)
I've tried finding exact replacement burners for my GE JCBS280DM3WW Sensi-Temp stove which has been practically impossible. GE Canada in an email said to get burners at my local hardware store but didn't specify sensi-temp. GE Canada gave me model numbers WB03T10167 for the 8-inch burners with the "pigtail" connectors and model number WB30T10076 for the 6-inch burners with the "spade" connectors. What is going on? Neither of these burners are sensi-temp but are standard burners. All of my sensi-temp burners have "pigtail" connectors. What game is GE playing? A non-sensi-temp burner from my old stove bought at a hardware store under the "Laser" name fits in my new stove and works perfectly. A side note, the sensi-temp burners in my new stove do turn on "without" a pan on them, but they do cycle on and off while cooking. I suppose that GE bypassed the on/off switch in these burners.
I'm currently living in an apartment as I'm in the process of building my 2 bed 1 bath bungalow, and it has a 24 inch "apartment " size stove with these stupid "safety " elements and I absolutely hate them. Cannot maintain a boil in my 8 quart stock pot that I use for pasta. In fact I'm more or less forced to pull out my 20k BTU Coleman 2 burner stove for anything that requires " medium-high " or more. All while paying $1050/mo for a studio 🤬 For my new home I already brought a GE profile stainless steel gas range with the 20k BTU tri ring burner, got it converted to LP already and tested it on a 20 lb cylinder in the shed. The best $1,400 spent. Nothing else I've cooked on compares. Plus I can cook during a power outage. Cannot wait until later this fall when my house should be move-in ready. Screw all these "safety " features. But I do appreciate the government being very concerned for our "safety and well-being" 😅 (Sarcasm)
All things considered, induction is the way of the future. They are cheap to make, ignoring market forces for the moment. They are wicked fast and don't spread the heat. Temperature is controlled with quick on and off cycles through the very accurate thermostat. It blew my mind I could hold a small cast iron pan by the handle with my bare hand! You have to respect the maximum diameter of the element. Bigger pans and pots will warp if you're not careful.
They fail after 2-4 years with frequent power failures of the grid, and cost a lot more to make and repair. Mechanical machines are way more reliable than computer controlled induction models.
You make a good point regarding their method of heat transfer, which is surely one of the primary draws to the induction cooktops. Though I’d like to add that they can be a total pain to service and repair. They have multiple control boards which makes troubleshooting difficult, and those boards are costly which can make the repairs expensive. So there are pros and cons for sure.
It's still very early days for the technology. (In the work I'm familiar with,) VHS decks made between 197x to about 1986-ish were chock full of circuit boards, beefy mechanicals, lots of parts. The final types of VHS decks just before they ended were very reliable and practically hollow inside. Integration comes with time. They'll be like toasters in about 15 years. Regards.
@@drewbrown9678 That's because the place the computer circuitry too close to the heat. If they move them(and the controls) OR better insulate them then they'd last longer. Though knobs to turn on the heat instead of didigital could work as well.
@@shanewilliams4603 I give you a HUGE THUMBS UP Yes move the Computer Circuitry to a cool place BUT NO in just a few years the stove will just burnout or you can just spend another 2 to 5 grand on another stove in a few years TY Shane for saying that
Re-watch from 10:00 ... the part where he shows that the oven is "glowing" from the heat emitted from the new coils. Then he shows why the surface element (as opposed to the coil) keeps this from happening.
Gotta have a good reliable connection for that. Truth is we only got propane, and using thats kinda dicey on the hookup. But I do want to figure a workaround
Ben, what do you think about canning on a glass top stove? Some manuals say you can, some you can't. Some people successfully can on them even when it says you can't.
I've been canning for years on glass top stoves. The manuals for my models make no mention of the subject. I use big stock pots for blanching and I have a large pressure canner.
I found out that when you buy a glass top stove there is a warranty for the stove but not for the glass top. So if the glass top breaks before your warranty is up on the stove your out of luck you’ll have to buy a new stove top to the tune of around $800 dollars, you just might as well buy a new stove
I honestly can’t believe they still sell these. Even newer apartments are using glass top stoves, mine has a glass top Frigidaire. My old apartment had a GE coil top that worked ok but I definitely prefer a glass top.
I almost bought one of these instead of the glass top I bought when I bought my house. The reason is because we don't have gas at the house I bought and I was afraid I might accidentally break the glass top. The reviews on the new coil stoves were all pretty bad and the glass top looked so much nicer. I'm glad I chose glass. One day I will get a propane tank installed and go with a gas stove again because nothing beats gas, but that's a long way off.
The major issue with these is they assume that ~450F _at the center of the burner_ is sufficient for everything. Unfortunately, this isn't always the case, and many of the arguments of "you shouldn't need more than 450F" miss that a stove is a thermal gradient. 450F at the center of the burner != 450F everywhere in the thing you're cooking.
Like all things its going to depend on manufacturer. IMHO, they aren't the best because of wanting to cheap out on the generator boards. They are NOT cheap to replace. I am unsure what brand, if any are best. Maybe slight edge to GE right now. But like all things, the manufacturers likely aren't building them to last more than 10-15 years, and the replacement parts for the induction system is nightmarish vs. surface elements.
Most induction cook tops are able to sense (read) the temperature of the pan itself. not surprisingly they also sense and turn off with no pan present . as there is no inductive object above the induction coil.
I'm not aware of any sensors on induction units that would prevent the unit from operating. The general induction trade off was/is that they won't heat up at all w/o a pan being on the induction coil.
It has dawned on me why they are subjecting the masses to this annoyance. Insurance companies are suffering all time losses. They you can't cook with this crap. They know you get hungry. You'll want to seitch out the burners, but if you do and you have a fire they won't cover it. Ta da! They collect your monthly premium, and reduce or eliminate one of the risks. Works for them, but on closer inspection of my brand new coil stove the under body of the stove (the large flat area beneath the stove top) is so very thinly made that I imagine it could not withstand the high temperature of a regular coil without buckling, and since it also lacks an enamel finish it will rust even thinner in no time. I got to hand it to the them. This is beyond functional obsolescence, built in to increase future margins, no this new tactic has us eating sandwiches. Folks you'll get better performance ftom a $20 electric skillet. Buy four of them and for less than $20 you can cook a meal again. I guess I'll be returning my second stove. The build quality is so bad on these appliances now, compared to the 2003 Kenmore I stupidly got rid of, that I'm now looking for an older stove second hand. I can't believe have bad things have gotten in terms of quality.
I had to make the tough choice of what to call it... Was going to go with jazz tobacco or giggle grass but decided on left-handed cigarettes at the very end.
Love the Walmart joke. I have also noticed there are a certain kind of people that like to hang out in Walmart parking lots at night out here in Texas for some reason. Weird.
in some ways l think they could be more dangerous, if you lift a pot off and the element turns off and you dont turn the knob to off, if you place anything on the stove on that element eg breadboard, instsant pot it will turn the element back on resulting in a fire
@@JOHNWLOUCKS FWIW, I've used cast iron on a glass top for years... No issues. Heats way faster than a coil top for certain styles of cooking honestly.
Haha that's funny. I used to fix arcade games and the only manufacturer that made crt parts when under ....Shane as on older games you'd almost want one for nostalgia but lcd screens are a better option these days if parts are needed
I just want to find an old stove and use it. These new stoves are awful at staying hot. You want to sear something? FORGET IT. I bought the new cookware, all flat, and what is wanted for this stove… still a piece of crap. I simply hate the nanny coils.
I was shopping for a new electric range and so happy I found out the problems with these new stoves before I bought one. I am now just going to keep mine as it still works.
When you do eventually buy a new stove you can pull the coils off of your existing stove and plug them right into a new coil top model like shown in the video. Then there will be no difference in the new and old stove.
@@everythinghomerepair1747 And its good to keep a container of baking soda in reach near the stove incase of a grease fire.
@@everythinghomerepair1747 The problem is finding the right part number.
Another thing to make sure of is that the wattage of the coils is the same. A lot of 8" replacement coils you can buy are only 2100w where the stove would have come with a 2600w coil when new. Maintenance replaced my old beat up coils with new ones and despite being perfectly flat they sucked even more than the 20 year old bent coils. I found out that they only order the slightly cheaper 2100w coils as replacements, but this model stove came with 2600w when new. The 2100w coil performed about as well as the 2600w safety coils on my Mom's new Frigidaire stove, but the classic 2600w coils absolutely blow the safety coils out of the water.
My wife and I bought our first home about 9 years ago, the elderly couple were kind enough to leave a base model Tappan stove for us. It's needed a new dial for one of the burners, two new burning elements, a heating element for the oven, and the circuit board that runs the oven failed. Fixed it all myself in spite of my wife wanting to ditch it a couple of times lol, but honestly the parts are so cheap and it's very easy to fix, I just can't see getting rid of it. I'd hate to replace it with something that couldn't be fixed easily with almost universal parts, so in my opinion it's a keeper. All those parts totalled less than $200 over the years and took just a few minutes to install. Not to mention everyone wants to be "green" these days, in my opinion I'm doing my part keeping an old stove going vs spending a thousand dollars on a new glass top that looks snazzy.
Agreed. Fixing and keeping a old stove running is far better for the environment than buying a overrated flattop stove.
This new method is so annoying!! It takes much longer to fry chicken the eyes just doesn’t get hot enough for me
Good video. I got a new stove last year with the new coils. Not only is it terrible at keeping things hot, but when I cook something in a skillet I've noticed there is a cold spot in the center of my skillet. I believe it's because those sensors are so large in the middle of the coil. I'm constantly moving the skillet around to get it (and keep it) hot. I prefer the old coils.
@@kathrynkathryn4836 I use cast iron, in fact all of my skillets are cast iron, just how I grew up, but it doesn't matter, still cold spots. I noticed in another comment below that if I replace the coils, I need to be aware of the wattage, something I didn't know.
@@kathrynkathryn4836 Cast iron skillets are great for meat: burgers, steak, bacon. One person and one 8" cast iron skillet is a perfect marriage.
I'm right now trying to get a big pot of water to boil......it won't boil!!!!!. This is ridiculous
It's a bunch of bull. A scam from the manufacturer. Taking your money. Don't buy. No freedom of choice for someone who loves to cook.
The snarky humor is hilarious. Plenty of good information intermingled with the humor keeps people engaged. Great video as usual!
Never been disappointed with this channel. They are always informative and nice to watch. The device shown in the middle of the heating element is known as a thermal switch. It acts as a closed switch until it reaches a set temperature and then it opens up. It will automatically close back at another preset temperature.
Good to know I can (potentially) just pop the old style coils into my stove. I'm unfortunately stuck using one of these newer style coil stoves and I'm so tired of the burner turning off on me.
I've heard these stoves are really popular in apartments where the landlord has no faith in the tenants which is sad... it'd be a fine product (maybe) except for the hundreds of horror stories I've heard of people not even being able to boil water. You'd think they'd iron out the bugs as this product has been available for quite a number of years now...
Where are you from as I’m from Canada and I haven’t seen stoves with these new burners in any stores and I didn’t even know they existed until I watched them video
@@dogcat823I’m in Canada (Alberta) and was out shopping for new stove today and all the coil element stoves had those sensors so for that reason only, it was a no even though a coil stove was what I was after. I could see the problems I might have as soon as I seen these and asked about them.
I have this type for just 1 year.. What a nightmare..I complain all year. My husband finally tried to cook on it.. we're now buying a gas stove... Over a grand wasted on this crap😡
Grew up with gas stoves. Moved into a house with an electric stove. Took a bit to get used to. Had one smooth top and loved it! Now have a new coil top with the center caps, it still heats w/o a pot on it and doesn't heat as fast as old ones. Have an induction burner just for boiling water!
I do a lot of canning and pickling. These sensi-temp burners are simply not hot enough for canning. Today i was making grape jam, which requires a minimum liquid temp of 217°. Never could get it beyond 215°. Watched it boil for a half hour, with the digital thermometer reading 215° at cutoff, then cooling to 211° before turning back on. Back and forth, 211/215. I'm stuck with a crapload of grape syrup instead of jam because of this useless feature 😂
I was wondering about this. Perhaps purchasing 1 old style to use only when canning?
Same problem here. I can a lot of meat and the stove just doesn’t work and would result in botulism.
Man I gotta say, I been a follower of your channel for a while now. I’m really not interested in appliances, but your videos are great and teach me a lot. Somehow you’ve captured my attention on a subject I just really don’t care about lol. Good job 👏. I’ve got a few channels like this, there is a channel with a guy who does concrete work, another subject that I really just don’t care about but somehow my attention gets grabbed and I enjoy the content. It’s cool because I learn about things that I have no interest in and never set out to learn anything about. Keep up the good work!
I understand and appreciate your support! Appliances can be pretty mundane and I get that, so I try to at least make the education videos a little bit entertaining!
@@bensappliancesandjunk you really do! 🤓
And I would even add that i learned something (about fridges specifically) that I was able to translate to my European/German home environment, where some appliances are a little bit different than in North America (washing machines, ACs and stoves for example).
What is the concrete channel, if you don't mind?
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What is the concrete channel, if you don't mind?
@@bensappliancesandjunk I’m from Canada and I haven’t seen stoves with these new burners in any stores and I didn’t even know they existed until I watched them video
Thank you so much for this video, and today you just solved my 2 months' problems. I went to Home Depot today and $31.50 costs, and it works ....Thank you
I believe that you are the best on you tube . Hat and coat great idea. Thanks
Im trying to help and do a good job, thanks!
This is such a great video. Here we are as consumers living at the mercy of ill-designed products. They have us working for our "machines" instead of the machines working for us. These "new coils" look like they can remove the joy of cooking. Even if you bypass the new coils and install old ones there goes the joy of feeling safe. I've always loved your videos. You are a master.
THANK YOU!! I had no idea about this!! GONNA SWAP OUT MY OLD COILS ONCE I BUY MY NEW STOVE!
Once I went the induction route, there's no going back!
Super fast to boil, and quick cool down, just like with gas!
Not to mention much less energy being used
I have two 16 quart ALUMINUM canners. For me it is a consideration.
Better than gas really
@@billspooks induction can work with aluminum now too
@@jhoughjr1 No it can't... not unless the aluminum pan is specially designed for induction and made with an iron core.
9:03 Water boils at 212 F. The pots are too reflective to get accurate readings unless the temp gun has adjustable emmissivity for different surface types, but most inexpensive temp guns have fixed emmissivity. I'm guessing your temp gun has fixed emmissivity. The 202 F reading with the water boiling should have tipped you off that the temp gun was way out in left field.
I wonder just how many heating cycles those temperature sensors in the new coils are good for. The more moving parts, the more things to break. I am still using a 27 year old GE stove with the traditional coils and it always works great.
Depending how much cooking you do that thermal fuse is the same as a dryer the more you use it the weaker it gets you could get a few years to 10 yrs tough to say everyones different and you said you got a 27yro GE stove keep it going super easy to repair for the newer stove with the safety coils just walk away i knew a few people that have them and boy do they hate them ... for cheap insurance buy a fire extinguisher
Yup, using my 25 year old GE...stove and oven still good...timer buttons are worn.
I understand that the replacements for new style coils are a lot more expensive than the old style coils.
If one has a stove with those temperature switches why not just bypass them? Simply connect the two leads together. Then it will work just like an old style coil burner. Of course one would still have a cold spot in the middle but until one can buy a standard replacement it would work.
A friend of mine who is a cooks cook bought the GE convection w coil stove top rig. Raved about it. I bought the non convection version (about 4 yrs ago). I am a house sitter- use every type, brand,etc . I have to say that I prefer mine. It's fast , efficient, even heat. WAY better than my previous old school rig and so much more even than all of the fancy ones I've used.
Besides stoves, I have used a million other appliance brands of appliances - I pretty much agree with your assessment of everything. Fab channel!
Grease fire? Keep your stove clean to prevent it and once in a while, when I see grease coating the element, I turn on the element for a couple of minutes to burn the grease away. I also use stoves for emergency heating, run a couple of rings and be sure to have a fan blowing on top of the elements.
Exactly! On all points!
I completely agree with you tonylam9548. I'm almost 70 now and have used wood, gas and electric stoves for decades. Everyone I grew up with used them too. I only know of one person who had a grease fire on their stove. I was there when it happened and it scared the hell out of them but they simply threw a damp towel on it and it went out. Keep your stove clean!
I clean my stove, coils, drip pans and raise up the stove top and clean after every use. I’ve never had an issue
Everything in America is made disposable to resell. the terrorist government is ran by the same race/family the corporations usually. They work together to ban force consumers to buy new stuff constantly. They say they are an alien race enslaving humanity. Which makes sense since all president's recently including Obama mom are related to everyone allowed to own an do anything. Note Obama mom looks like 80% Hollywood an the government an UA-cam pop stars. As aliens they may possibly be able to shapeshift. Usually when not black hair black eye grey skins with yamakas; they have blondes or others with massive bug alien eyes working for them. An they try to kill humans who see them. I ran for president to expose an eliminate them but apparently I'm not their species so not allowed on tv
I went to find a coil stove and found the exact same as the one in this video. The glass top stoves the markings tend to disappear is the only reason I didn't want it. Thank you for explaining this type of coil.
You, "don't know how the coils work"?! That's confidence-inspiring.
Years ago they "improved" washing machines with washer plates...no agitators. Worst purchase of an appliance I ever made. Was about to buy a coil top stove (not a fan of glass tops). The new heat limiters are not for me. Are all coil top stoves mandated to have them?
I have the new coil top stove and I find that I get the best a most even cooking using cast iron when the coil cuts off the cast iron holds its temp and by the time the temp starts to drop the coil cuts back on to it’s not really noticeable h
You're a real gem, Sir. I wish I could afford to buy you a real Maytag man hat!
Seems like this safety feature just adds another potential point of failure. If you had issues with a burner before this feature was introduced it was almost always the result of a failing infinite switch. Now they've gone and put extra 'lectronics in what used to be a much simpler setup.
Sure... it should be simple to diagnose a bad temp sensor (it looks like a normally closed temp controlled switch), but I'll bet if it's bad you need to replace the whole element... or just bypass the sensor :-)
Good information. I’m going to replace one of my sensor coils with a regular one - the one I use primarily to boil water. Always wondered why it was slower.
Great video , Any time you are dealing with stoves , BBQs you should never walk away . I never do because it is too easy to get distracted and forget . If I do usually using the oven set the timer so you do not forget .
Thank you you just solved a huge headache to me!!
Excellent reporting just a note i went to a local appliance store looking for a new stove and the sales person avoided the New coil top stove but I was intrigued by the safety switch and he said it won't boil so don't buy it 😂😮😅
We sell those thermal cut-offs at our industrial electronics store. They open at various temps & can be changed out to other temperatures.
I'm fairness, there do exist external stove thermal cutoffs, they plug right into the 3/4 pin connector and then it mounts onto the rear or side wall. I can't say how extremely effective they are but they've prevented a couple of fires, biggest issue is setting the clock back.
I have had similar experiences with the closed style of cook top. But this was a 29 euro, 2 plate ultra cheap one though with thermostatic control. At its maximum, it would still cycle on and off which made it slower when boiling a large pot of pasta, but also - and that was especially annoying - make it impossible to do a good stir fry.
It was cheap so it was alright, but i did consider installing an extra knob so i could just run it full power. But as you say, i was sorta worried about getting in trouble and something went wrong with it - and it then being my fault.
thank you, good video , clear voice, lots of information always , i will follow your channel forever.
Good to know. I don't plan to ever get a coil type electric stove again. We have a 30 year old Magic Chef with the removable coils. I hate it. Takes a long time to heat water to boiling and hard to control temps as once it is hot (have to tilt/lift the pot to keep it from boiling over until it cools off). One thing this stove has done several times is the connection socket contacts that the coils plugs into gets loose over time and arcs. I've changed the one on the burner we use the most (right front) several times. At least this stove doesn't have all the electronic BS.
was saying the same thing BS safety Devices Ben did a real nice test but cook REAL FOOD and see how much you would love your new Stove with all the BS safety devices YES SAFETY DEVICES WORK but overdoing it is a BIG problem because smart OK DUMB people will find a way to override a SAFETY DEVICE trust me see it first hand
Ah boomers.
My glass top couldn't boil water. I got a used coil with this new type of coil and man cooking has been great!
Very much looking forward to your upcoming comparison video. You're doing a major public service here.
Awesome! This is great knowledge, and also very entertaining! I believe induction will win out, I hope our next stove will be induction.
How dose the UL keep gas Ranges from grease fires ?
Nothing beats a good ole gas burner stove. gets the job done perfetcly everytime.
I keep hearing about the induction stoves, but few articles say anything about how safe they are for people who have medical devices like a pacemaker, since there is a magnetic field involved with the cooktops. If you haven’t done your video on induction stoves yet, could you address the issue? I enjoy your videos and have learned so much from them!
They are safe with pacemakers.
What is your deal? Do you know how rapidly the magnetic flux decays with distance? It's amazing the technology used to save people like you. Of course another post 2020 account.
We need to replace our stove andhave been avoiding a glass top because we pressure can and are worried that a glass top could shatter. Do you have any recommendations on a glass top that can safely hold a pressure canner filled with jars and water?
Love the saucy little quips scattered amongst the info. 😉
For those of us who have been using stoves for decades without a problem, we don’t need UL to be our nanny.
We've had a couple of grease fires with our old coil-top stove, so grease fires are no joke. They were mostly caused by my middle brother who would put margarine in a pan, set it on high, and walk away forgetting about it. Someone just happened to walk into the kitchen and see the inferno. I honestly don't know why we didn't have any fire damage from those instances. Probably because we just caught it in time. Water will spread the oil making the fire ten times worse. Get a lid to smother the fire.
I love how the home of the brave has become the padded room to keep dumb people alive.
I always enjoy your “entertaining “videos.
Thanks!
8:57 and this is why it takes me 20 mins to boil pasta (can’t use a lid when boiling pasta or it overflows!!!) instead of 8-10 mins!!!
My wife and I have bought a new GE stove model JCBS280DMWW. It comes with the new coil and we would like to know what pre-band coils to get that will fit. We're very busy and need to cook quickly, I've had normal element stoves and never had a grease fire. I know GE makes the older coils, I just need the model numbers for the 6 and 8-inch elements.
Can you please do a review of why would you put the controls behind the hot items?
I think it's because the people who design these things don't really cook. It is truly ridiculous that the placement of controls on freestanding ranges require users to get steam or oil burns on their forearms if they need to adjust the heat, It's a built=in safety hazard.
Controls on front side would be accessible to small children. Controls on cook surface may limit space for burners and are harder to clean.
I personally prefer glass top stoves, but mine needs to be replaced and the reviews of the new ones are abysmal. I don't want a glass top that breaks if you look at it funny. The main reason the new coils can't even boil water is because manufacturers want to kill off the longer lasting coil stoves. They could make effective and safe coil stoves, but they'd rather rip you off.
How will UL limit the temp of a burner on gas stove???
Gas stoves are inherently more risky while using them. But the UL equivalent in my country does require them to have a thermocouple so if somehow the flame goes out, gas won't flow out - and you have to keep the knob pushed in for 10 seconds after ignition for it to heat up, meaning that pets won't be able to start the gas or ignite it, avoiding the risk that Ben showed with the Samsung stove recall video and electric stoves turned on too easily by accident.
Yeah my ge stove uses these burners. Great when they work but they are tempermental.
Extremely helpful. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
If people would just clean their crap a lot of these issues we face today would be nonexistent.
Too bad I lost my old gas stove in a fishing accident, I'm gonna have to use one of those probably maybe.
On a serious note, how are things there? You guys still boiling water? (You know what I mean)
We have been in the appliance/ furniture business since 1979. This has became a constant complaint with these ranges. The easiest solution is to order a set of older elements. It’s absolutely ridiculous that you can’t boil water because UL decides it isn’t safe. You can’t find a washer with a mechanical timer and these new control boards are garbage. Since 2018 appliances have really went to crap.
Hey Keith, I am working on a video regarding the history of Maytag and what led to them getting bought out. Any thoughts on Maytag in the 1980s and 1990s and 00s with their product line? I know about the massive Neptune debacle and what caused a lot of issues with it. But I'm trying to deep-dive into PAV and SAV models with their issues or lack of them. Any advice?
Good to know & very informative!
Appreciate all the knowledge 👍
The old Frigidaire coils were the best ever. They were very large and very fast.
whirlpool has kits that they will sell thru parts to fix this I’ve put several of them on. At least they did I’ve been running strictly high end service calls sub/wolf Viking Jenn air for asko, etc. for about a year
It looks so good!
I just bought ge stove with these safety burners,I hate them.I cannot even get to point of finishing a complete cooking process & they cut off in middle of cooking.I have to keep hopping from burner to burner.Tried to make fried chicken & forget it,will not let oil get hot enough.Paid enough for this stove & now have to buy old style burners for it too?They are expensive. IM SO DISAPPOINTED
Can one use ironware on an induction stove? There is concern it might break the glass.
I cant imagine its any different than a surface element one (glass top w/o induction). I've been using cast iron on mine for 4 years with zero issues.
@@bensappliancesandjunk Excellent!
In the 1970s to 1990s stove manufacturers had different levels of burner quality. If you paid more, the burner had tighter coils. New coil tops are the bottom of the line product. (Though much more likely to work than any Samsung product)
I love the 4:00 mark you turn on the front right burner, then at the 4:05 mark, the right rear is magically the on in the on position! lol
Nice catch. You're right. I shot the segments where I'm on screen mostly in-order, then did all the cooking/testing afterwards, thus the difference
I've replaced the elements of my glass top stove & have the same problem it isn't getting as hot.
I need an explanation of how the new coils can prevent grease fires compared to the old coils. Seems like both wound ignite grease equally.
Literally have a video on that which should appear at th3 end of thr video to link to..m
I've tried finding exact replacement burners for my GE JCBS280DM3WW Sensi-Temp stove which has been practically impossible. GE Canada in an email said to get burners at my local hardware store but didn't specify sensi-temp. GE Canada gave me model numbers WB03T10167 for the 8-inch burners with the "pigtail" connectors and model number WB30T10076 for the 6-inch burners with the "spade" connectors. What is going on? Neither of these burners are sensi-temp but are standard burners. All of my sensi-temp burners have "pigtail" connectors. What game is GE playing? A non-sensi-temp burner from my old stove bought at a hardware store under the "Laser" name fits in my new stove and works perfectly. A side note, the sensi-temp burners in my new stove do turn on "without" a pan on them, but they do cycle on and off while cooking. I suppose that GE bypassed the on/off switch in these burners.
Which exact model of regular burner to replace these with?
Do radiant heat glass nop stoves have the same requirements? My radiant to heat like there's no tomorrow.
I'm currently living in an apartment as I'm in the process of building my 2 bed 1 bath bungalow, and it has a 24 inch "apartment " size stove with these stupid "safety " elements and I absolutely hate them. Cannot maintain a boil in my 8 quart stock pot that I use for pasta. In fact I'm more or less forced to pull out my 20k BTU Coleman 2 burner stove for anything that requires " medium-high " or more. All while paying $1050/mo for a studio 🤬
For my new home I already brought a GE profile stainless steel gas range with the 20k BTU tri ring burner, got it converted to LP already and tested it on a 20 lb cylinder in the shed. The best $1,400 spent. Nothing else I've cooked on compares. Plus I can cook during a power outage. Cannot wait until later this fall when my house should be move-in ready. Screw all these "safety " features. But I do appreciate the government being very concerned for our "safety and well-being" 😅 (Sarcasm)
All things considered, induction is the way of the future. They are cheap to make, ignoring market forces for the moment. They are wicked fast and don't spread the heat. Temperature is controlled with quick on and off cycles through the very accurate thermostat. It blew my mind I could hold a small cast iron pan by the handle with my bare hand! You have to respect the maximum diameter of the element. Bigger pans and pots will warp if you're not careful.
They fail after 2-4 years with frequent power failures of the grid, and cost a lot more to make and repair. Mechanical machines are way more reliable than computer controlled induction models.
You make a good point regarding their method of heat transfer, which is surely one of the primary draws to the induction cooktops. Though I’d like to add that they can be a total pain to service and repair. They have multiple control boards which makes troubleshooting difficult, and those boards are costly which can make the repairs expensive. So there are pros and cons for sure.
It's still very early days for the technology. (In the work I'm familiar with,) VHS decks made between 197x to about 1986-ish were chock full of circuit boards, beefy mechanicals, lots of parts. The final types of VHS decks just before they ended were very reliable and practically hollow inside. Integration comes with time. They'll be like toasters in about 15 years. Regards.
@@drewbrown9678 That's because the place the computer circuitry too close to the heat. If they move them(and the controls) OR better insulate them then they'd last longer. Though knobs to turn on the heat instead of didigital could work as well.
@@shanewilliams4603 I give you a HUGE THUMBS UP Yes move the Computer Circuitry to a cool place BUT NO in just a few years the stove will just burnout or you can just spend another 2 to 5 grand on another stove in a few years TY Shane for saying that
Where is the test you say you will perform at the end of the video - Coil vs surface element?
Re-watch from 10:00 ... the part where he shows that the oven is "glowing" from the heat emitted from the new coils. Then he shows why the surface element (as opposed to the coil) keeps this from happening.
Got a question for you is it likley that my current stove the manf probably provide a new replacement fire prevention burner?
I’ll stick with my bisque color GE electric coil range that I purchased in 2005
Where is your coil top vs smooth top comparison video? Did you ever make it? I can't find it anywhere.
I like your idea of a comparison, glass top vs induction vs the 2 coil types. But throw in a gas stove too!
Gotta have a good reliable connection for that. Truth is we only got propane, and using thats kinda dicey on the hookup. But I do want to figure a workaround
@@bensappliancesandjunk Methane also.
I’m not a fan of glass top at all.
They do trick boomers into thinking they are induction though
Informative and comical.
Ben, what do you think about canning on a glass top stove? Some manuals say you can, some you can't. Some people successfully can on them even when it says you can't.
I've been canning for years on glass top stoves. The manuals for my models make no mention of the subject. I use big stock pots for blanching and I have a large pressure canner.
@@jason50146my manual says not to do it. Maybe I'll give it a try.
@@47retta I would follow your manual. The stoves I have had never mentioned it in the manuals.
Ah wives tales.
Just like the jocks telling me iron weights were the heaviest weights
I think I have the glass top version of that stove. I always felt like the burners don’t get that hot
I found out that when you buy a glass top stove there is a warranty for the stove but not for the glass top. So if the glass top breaks before your warranty is up on the stove your out of luck you’ll have to buy a new stove top to the tune of around $800 dollars, you just might as well buy a new stove
Well, I better be gentle then
Thank you
I quit using oils. Sometimes sauté with butter, but always monitor it closely. Too many people get distracted.
I honestly can’t believe they still sell these. Even newer apartments are using glass top stoves, mine has a glass top Frigidaire. My old apartment had a GE coil top that worked ok but I definitely prefer a glass top.
I almost bought one of these instead of the glass top I bought when I bought my house. The reason is because we don't have gas at the house I bought and I was afraid I might accidentally break the glass top. The reviews on the new coil stoves were all pretty bad and the glass top looked so much nicer. I'm glad I chose glass. One day I will get a propane tank installed and go with a gas stove again because nothing beats gas, but that's a long way off.
Many people who like to can food say they are better for canning. The glass top stoves often say you can't use them for canning because of the weight.
Never had one of these machines fail due to dropping something one it. Glass tops are okay, but more likely to fail than coil cooktops.
My mom has cast iron skillets plus she slides and drops her pans a lot so no glass tops for her.
Glass top is junk.
The major issue with these is they assume that ~450F _at the center of the burner_ is sufficient for everything. Unfortunately, this isn't always the case, and many of the arguments of "you shouldn't need more than 450F" miss that a stove is a thermal gradient. 450F at the center of the burner != 450F everywhere in the thing you're cooking.
VERY GOOD VID !!!!!!
Got a question for you. How reliable are the current induction stoves? Who makes the most reliable? Thanks, Ron.
They have a higher fail rate due to power surges when the power goes out.
Like all things its going to depend on manufacturer. IMHO, they aren't the best because of wanting to cheap out on the generator boards. They are NOT cheap to replace. I am unsure what brand, if any are best. Maybe slight edge to GE right now. But like all things, the manufacturers likely aren't building them to last more than 10-15 years, and the replacement parts for the induction system is nightmarish vs. surface elements.
@@drewbrown9678 I’m gonna call 100 percent bullshit on that.
@@bensappliancesandjunk I hear stories about warped pans due to small diameter of the elements in many of the induction stoves. Is this true?
Had an oven heating element explode. Lucky we were present to put out the fire.
I had it happen to me before I got into appliances. Its a very scary thing if you aren't understanding of whats happening.
Do they have this for induction cookers? I left a pan on once and it was glowing red in less than a minute.
Im not sure how they would implement it since the pan is what gets hot and not the stove
Most induction cook tops are able to sense (read) the temperature of the pan itself. not surprisingly they also sense and turn off with no pan present . as there is no inductive object above the induction coil.
I'm not aware of any sensors on induction units that would prevent the unit from operating. The general induction trade off was/is that they won't heat up at all w/o a pan being on the induction coil.
great job!
With so many UA-cam content providers floating second, “b roll” channels, you could add a second channel called The Rotund Repairman!
It has dawned on me why they are subjecting the masses to this annoyance. Insurance companies are suffering all time losses. They you can't cook with this crap. They know you get hungry. You'll want to seitch out the burners, but if you do and you have a fire they won't cover it. Ta da! They collect your monthly premium, and reduce or eliminate one of the risks. Works for them, but on closer inspection of my brand new coil stove the under body of the stove (the large flat area beneath the stove top) is so very thinly made that I imagine it could not withstand the high temperature of a regular coil without buckling, and since it also lacks an enamel finish it will rust even thinner in no time.
I got to hand it to the them. This is beyond functional obsolescence, built in to increase future margins, no this new tactic has us eating sandwiches.
Folks you'll get better performance ftom a $20 electric skillet. Buy four of them and for less than $20 you can cook a meal again.
I guess I'll be returning my second stove. The build quality is so bad on these appliances now, compared to the 2003 Kenmore I stupidly got rid of, that I'm now looking for an older stove second hand. I can't believe have bad things have gotten in terms of quality.
I personally would love an all-metal-compatible induction cooktop.
"left-handed cigarettes" LOL LOL
I had to make the tough choice of what to call it... Was going to go with jazz tobacco or giggle grass but decided on left-handed cigarettes at the very end.
Love the Walmart joke.
I have also noticed there are a certain kind of people that like to hang out in Walmart parking lots at night out here in Texas for some reason. Weird.
Oh bud, its the same way in Ohio for sure
in some ways l think they could be more dangerous, if you lift a pot off and the element turns off and you dont turn the knob to off, if you place anything on the stove on that element eg breadboard, instsant pot it will turn the element back on resulting in a fire
Do glass cooktops have the same heat limitation?
As of now, no.
@@mwj9080 Thank you! That’s good to know!
@@aaronstollings no problem!
all electric stoves in my county have heat resistant glass on top
and considering it's "electric", why would anyone not take induction instead?
Do people still buy coil top stoves? I thought they died out like crt monitors
No, still somewhat popular but slowly doing due to these style changes
Landlords love them. They are cheap and easy to repair.
Still love mine after 40 plus years. I like the smooth tops but I am not giving up my cast iron pans. Easy to repair too.
@@JOHNWLOUCKS FWIW, I've used cast iron on a glass top for years... No issues. Heats way faster than a coil top for certain styles of cooking honestly.
Haha that's funny. I used to fix arcade games and the only manufacturer that made crt parts when under ....Shane as on older games you'd almost want one for nostalgia but lcd screens are a better option these days if parts are needed
A basic contact. Element will not activate till a pot or pan is placed Cannot generate the heat. Yes i see how it can be bypassed
I just want to find an old stove and use it. These new stoves are awful at staying hot. You want to sear something? FORGET IT. I bought the new cookware, all flat, and what is wanted for this stove… still a piece of crap. I simply hate the nanny coils.
They will be coming after my fireplace.