Bad Religion live | Rockpalast | 2008

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  • Setlist
    1. 21st Century (Digital Boy) 00:00:00
    2. New Dark Ages 00:02:54
    3. Suffer 00:05:26
    4. I Want To Qonquer The World 00:07:12
    5. Let Them Eat War 00:09:25
    6. Stranger Than Fiction 00:12:14
    7. No Control 00:14:32
    8. Come Join Us 00:16:30
    9. Requiem For Dissent 00:18:30
    10. Big Bang 00:20:35
    11. News From The Front 00:22:20
    12. Honest Goodbye 00:24:40
    13. You 00:27:20
    14. A Walk 00:29:25
    15. Flat Earth Society 00:32:18
    16. Before You Die 00:34:51
    17. Punk Rock Song 00:37:58
    18. Struck A Nerve 00:40:35
    19. 52 Seconds / Heroes And Martyrs 00:44:17
    20. Social Suicide 00:46:38
    21. Recipe For Hate 00:48:26
    22. American Jesus 00:50:32
    23. Generator 00:54:30
    24. Infected 00:59:14
    25. Sorrow 01:02:56
    Besetzung
    Greg Graffin - vocals
    Brian Baker - guitar, backing vocals
    Greg Hetson - guitar
    Jay Bentley - bass
    Brooks Wackerman - drums
    Das Bandlogo von Bad Religion war lange Zeit überall zu sehen - auf Schultischen, Klos und Mauern: ein an ein Verkehrszeichen angelehntes, durchgestrichenes Kreuz. Die Kalifornier gehören zu den Paten jener Form des Westcoast-Punk, der auch als Melodic Hardcore bezeichnet wird. Weitere bekannte Bands jenes Genres, darunter NOFX, Millencolin oder Pennywise, zählen Bad Religion zu ihren Haupteinflüssen.
    1980 in Los Angeles gegründet, werden Bad Religion schnell in der kalifornischen Szene bekannt. Es dauert ein paar Alben, bis sie ihren typischen, halsbrecherisch schnellen Stil mit den melodischen, mehrstimmigen Gesängen gefunden haben. Das packende Amalgam aus Hardcore Punk und poppigen Mitsing-Melodien wird zur Blaupause des modernen Punk Rock. Kopf der Band ist Sänger Greg Graffin, der hauptberuflich Biologie-Professor ist und sich in seinen Texten von Anfang an auf eine sehr intelligente Art mit Themen wie Umweltzerstörung, religiösem Fanatismus und Turbokapitalismus auseinandersetzt.
    Das Album, das der Band den internationalen Durchbruch verschafft, ist "Suffer" von 1988. Das Album ist ein Meilenstein im Melodic Harcore-Genre und beeinflusst Punkbands auf der ganzen Welt, und letztendlich läuten Bad Religion damit das Punk-Revival der Neunziger ein. Ihr größter internationaler Hit wird jedoch einige Jahre später die Neuauflage ihres Klassikers "Punk Rock Song" im Jahr 1996.
    Bad Religion touren bis heute unermüdlich um die Welt und haben besonders in Deutschland eine große Fanbasis. Trotz weiterer musikalischer Projekte der einzelnen Bandmitglieder halten Bad Religion zusammen und bringen immer wieder von der Kritik gelobte Alben heraus.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 149

  • @elmoblatch9787
    @elmoblatch9787 8 місяців тому +30

    In the late 80s, I would literally sit there with a dictionary and go through their lyrics. My vocabulary expanded.

  • @David-no7nu
    @David-no7nu Рік тому +70

    No band in any genre has written as many great songs as BR.

    • @Papayap0drida
      @Papayap0drida Рік тому +2

      Agreed, their lyrics are fantastic

    • @sou1kand3
      @sou1kand3 Рік тому +4

      Finding this band was unbelievable for a list of reasons--the amount of Top Level songs they have is one of them. 🤘

    • @nikoma_
      @nikoma_ 11 місяців тому +2

      Agree.

    • @ChrisPatrick
      @ChrisPatrick 9 місяців тому

      their body of work is unparalleled in this or any genre

    • @josephsimmons9241
      @josephsimmons9241 7 місяців тому

      100 % agree. My biased opinion (born at the same time and place as the band itself) is that they are the greatest band of all time. Unparalleled inspiring lyrics and upbeat music have set the tone for my life. Only Led Zeppelin, RHCP, and the Stones may have as many excellent songs, but I doubt it still.

  • @nowave1465
    @nowave1465 6 місяців тому +12

    This guy has always had such a unique voice he doesn't have to scream and it's still great

    • @Cynthia-yr8nk
      @Cynthia-yr8nk 5 місяців тому +1

      Yes! Yes! Yes! I agree and I said this many times before... Right on and rock on🤘

  • @testatercio
    @testatercio 3 роки тому +50

    best band in the world!

    • @DoubbleDdragon
      @DoubbleDdragon 2 роки тому +1

      @irlan hakim Jesus was Jew also Mohammed

  • @markvandermolen7181
    @markvandermolen7181 6 місяців тому +11

    This is probably their best pro-shot show on UA-cam. Best sound, in tune backing vocals, best editing. Great setlist.

    • @KyleBenzien
      @KyleBenzien Місяць тому

      Absolutely love this setlist!

  • @B777S
    @B777S Рік тому +25

    01. 21st Century (Digital Boy) 00:00:00
    02. New Dark Ages 00:02:54
    03. Suffer 00:05:26
    04. I Want To Qonquer The World 00:07:12
    05. Let Them Eat War 00:09:25
    06. Stranger Than Fiction 00:12:14
    07. No Control 00:14:32
    08. Come Join Us 00:16:30
    09. Requiem For Dissent 00:18:30
    10. Big Bang 00:20:35.
    11. News From The Front 00:22:20
    12. Honest Goodbye 00:24:40
    13. You 00:27:20
    14. A Walk 00:29:25
    15. Flat Earth Society 00:32:18
    16. Before You Die 00:34:51
    17. Punk Rock Song 00:37:58
    18. Struck A Nerve 00:40:35
    19. 52 Seconds / Heroes And Martyrs 00:44:17
    20. Social Suicide 00:46:38
    21. Recipe For Hate 00:48:26
    22. American Jesus 00:50:32
    23. Along The Way 00:54:30
    24. Infected 00:59:14
    25. Sorrow 01:02:56

    • @joshcramer3578
      @joshcramer3578 7 місяців тому +1

      00:54:30 is definitely not Generator- it is Along the Way. Listed incorrectly in this comment as well as in the video.

  • @wompers7018
    @wompers7018 Рік тому +12

    00:54:30 Along The Way
    00:55:54 Generator

  • @ninjaskeleton6140
    @ninjaskeleton6140 Рік тому +10

    I wish Bad Religion would release a massive multi-disc retrospective dvd/blu-ray of live performances spanning their entire career. It could include shows like this one and many others.
    I especially like seeing them play random songs from their back catalogue that they don’t often play live anymore.
    A lot of my favourite live footage of Bad Religion is from the 1990s up to about the year 2000, this is what I look for most often on youtube when I’m looking for live BR videos. They seem to have a big following in Germany and the energy at those shows is always fantastic. I just wish I could own high quality copies of these gigs on dvd.

  • @generasimusik90an89
    @generasimusik90an89 Рік тому +10

    Badass Religion 🤘I'am Christian but one of my fave band is BR ...❤️ from Indonesia 🇮🇩

  • @slashtrio
    @slashtrio Рік тому +20

    This is a great live performance. Graffin has such great vocals. He’s really kept his vocals in tack as he has aged, which isn’t easy to do for many rock singers.

  • @mbb0309
    @mbb0309 6 місяців тому +4

    I just saw them days ago and Greg still have an amazing voice!!! he's incredible!!!!

  • @Dan-np5zb
    @Dan-np5zb Рік тому +19

    This drummer insane.. Those guys are insane and their music is the best!

  • @christophputz3476
    @christophputz3476 9 місяців тому +5

    Best punk rock live performance ever! And I love the Ärzte shirt!😂

  • @667dpb
    @667dpb 3 роки тому +14

    „die ärzte“-Shirt - hervorragend 😍

  • @johnkontos
    @johnkontos 3 роки тому +23

    Always 10000% amazing!

    • @IZeToXI
      @IZeToXI 2 роки тому +1

      @irlan hakim God isn't real tho?

  • @6StringPsychedelic
    @6StringPsychedelic 2 роки тому +5

    I saw these guys with my best buddy in sacramento in the 90s, very fun concert... I miss those days, I remember just being packed and drenched in sweat.

    • @unicajamalaga2
      @unicajamalaga2 2 роки тому

      Я так на Наив ходил в Ростовскую пельменную )) пот буквально стоял в воздухе ))

  • @reoha4527
    @reoha4527 Рік тому +8

    これだけ早いテンポの曲をライブで演奏し続けるのは本当にすごい!

  • @simonsmith2642
    @simonsmith2642 22 дні тому

    They made the promise 30+ years ago that their music would not change one iota.. They kept that promise. Thats so rare… Yeah they have changed drummers a few times or more, but imagine playing that every day on tour, thats a beating on your body non stop and brutal on your body. Other tan that they are still touring Im going in September. They have a lot more gray hair and some more wrinkles but they have maintained against the grain. Legendary. Promise made, promise kept.

  • @FreebirdRider
    @FreebirdRider Рік тому +11

    Fucking great punk rock show! Perfect setlist. Bad Religion 💪

  • @yosvdr9319
    @yosvdr9319 3 роки тому +13

    Danke fürs hochladen dieser großartigen Show! Ich freu mich mega, sie in der Qualität ansehen zu können :)
    Gibt es in den Rockpalast Archiven noch das Konzert von NOFX aus 1993? Das geistert auf youtube noch als Mitschnitt rum, leider nicht so hochwertig. Ein Reupload davon wäre das Größte

  • @jenwendy7
    @jenwendy7 2 місяці тому

    so great to see this on YT they sound great!! good memories absolutely love their music and lyrics

  • @viennaNOFXER
    @viennaNOFXER 2 роки тому +1

    Thx for Upload!!!

  • @findux72
    @findux72 2 роки тому

    danke für die tolle show in betser qualität !!!

  • @gabrielnolasco9732
    @gabrielnolasco9732 Рік тому +3

    Dude what a rock solid performance. My god

  • @ricardohernandez2771
    @ricardohernandez2771 3 роки тому

    Thanks!

  • @user-xm6su3on1s
    @user-xm6su3on1s 2 місяці тому

    Whoever edited this did a great job.

  • @dougkenworthy5079
    @dougkenworthy5079 Рік тому +12

    This was a fucking furious performance. Loved it

  • @MarkkuKoljonenwTinja
    @MarkkuKoljonenwTinja 3 роки тому

    Thanks! 😘 Anna,Christine,Tinja&Markku :D

  • @tiodjati6894
    @tiodjati6894 2 роки тому +12

    Brooks is a fuckin machine

    • @Jept
      @Jept 2 роки тому +2

      I'd forgotten how much faster the tempo was with Brooks behind the skins NGL 😅
      Like a fucking freight train thundering down a cliff

  • @unicajamalaga2
    @unicajamalaga2 2 роки тому +4

    Офигеть, Новые Темные Времена просто бомба! Прямо отсыл к раннему хардкор - творчеству БР 88 года.. просто мощнейшая песня с великолепной мелодией!!

  • @zinghao131
    @zinghao131 8 місяців тому

    So good!

  • @edmundkempersdartboard173
    @edmundkempersdartboard173 3 роки тому +5

    That thumbnail really captured Greg's karate instructor performance style.

    • @edmundkempersdartboard173
      @edmundkempersdartboard173 2 роки тому

      @irlan hakim 😂

    • @edmundkempersdartboard173
      @edmundkempersdartboard173 2 роки тому +1

      @irlan hakim brother, you are welcome to your beliefs. Proselytizing in the comment section of a punk band's live show is not going to get you amywhere, though.

  • @unicajamalaga2
    @unicajamalaga2 2 роки тому +13

    1:02:55 the most difficult beginning in whole punk rock era 😆

  • @minkavleren
    @minkavleren 2 місяці тому

    whoever made the same typo with track 23 is definitely not a Bad Religion fan, track 23 is NOT 'Generator', its 'Along the Way'.
    track 24 is 'Generator'.

  • @thesuccessfulbarber
    @thesuccessfulbarber 2 роки тому +3

    This rocks

  • @Punkrocklyrics
    @Punkrocklyrics 3 роки тому +3

    Amazing show!

  • @Slender100
    @Slender100 3 роки тому +10

    54:30 it's Along the Way

    • @neddi0
      @neddi0 3 роки тому

      ab 55:55 Generator

    • @unicajamalaga2
      @unicajamalaga2 2 роки тому

      Да что ты говоришь

  • @DinKLutach
    @DinKLutach 3 роки тому +13

    Ich bin der Schule in Religion rausgeflogen weil ich ein Bad Religion T-Shirt anhatte😂🤣😂

    • @gameblaze7645
      @gameblaze7645 3 роки тому +2

      Hatte eine Religionslehrerin, die American Jesus plötzlich laufen ließ und wir mussten über das Lied diskutieren.
      Ich war der einzige, der BR kannte aus der Klasse. Beste Lehrerin

    • @hinzeyo1643
      @hinzeyo1643 2 роки тому +2

      Ich auch, mehrmals😂

  • @unicajamalaga2
    @unicajamalaga2 2 роки тому +3

    1:02:05 самый лучший момент панк музыки..эти бэк вокалы просто настолько в тему! Шикарная песня

  • @viennaNOFXER
    @viennaNOFXER 2 роки тому +3

    23. Ist Along the Way... und Generator... 🤟

  • @user-ic2sy8hh1y
    @user-ic2sy8hh1y 5 місяців тому

    日本🇯🇵人だけど、ヴァッレリハスタイルがすごいです!大好きです❤

  • @cristianchirino2406
    @cristianchirino2406 2 роки тому +1

    Q buena BANDA ... !!!

  • @megadavemedina
    @megadavemedina Рік тому

    dope!!!

  • @sonyprasetyo1038
    @sonyprasetyo1038 3 роки тому +1

    Nice

  • @xmatnwee6812
    @xmatnwee6812 11 днів тому

    Круто !

  • @matheking67
    @matheking67 2 роки тому

    War das in AREA4?
    Dann habe ich das Konzert wohl auch gehört.
    Ich habe derzeit zwischen Olfen und Lüdinghausen in einem Ferienpark gewohnt. Gut zehn Kilometer vom Veranstaltungsort entfernt, aber konnte es in der Nacht trotzdem hören :-D

  • @BurakAltnayx
    @BurakAltnayx Рік тому +1

    54:30 is along the way... correct it please cause its the best br song ever :)

  • @user-zu4vn9zm7s
    @user-zu4vn9zm7s 8 місяців тому

    Yeah hey!!!

  • @cachecoldosul
    @cachecoldosul Рік тому +1

    Brooks toca demais, uma pena ter saído!

  • @MrNightshade2010
    @MrNightshade2010 2 місяці тому

    wow when they start they blow through the list like a a 1980 ramones concert eh ?

  • @T_20230
    @T_20230 3 роки тому

    GJ

  • @eu_thiago
    @eu_thiago Рік тому +2

    Formação clássica.

  • @unicajamalaga2
    @unicajamalaga2 2 роки тому

    Where is los Angeles is...🔥🔥🔥

  • @H1JOSH1
    @H1JOSH1 6 місяців тому

    Wow, News From The Front! How that song ended up a B-side I'll never know.

  • @unicajamalaga2
    @unicajamalaga2 2 роки тому +1

    Какой же джэй бэнтли лучезарный человек..прям как Филлип 🤭

  • @unicajamalaga2
    @unicajamalaga2 2 роки тому +1

    Encore song list are much better than whole concert 👍

    • @NOFXfrontman
      @NOFXfrontman Рік тому

      That’s probably how they planned it 🤷🏻‍♂️

    • @JasonMarquez-xd8by
      @JasonMarquez-xd8by Рік тому

      Always!

    • @unicajamalaga2
      @unicajamalaga2 Рік тому

      @@JasonMarquez-xd8by почему же всегда.. у Айрон мэйден энкоровские песни похуже 🙄

  • @danieleckert1729
    @danieleckert1729 Рік тому

    So rockin'!

  • @notyurrealdad8743
    @notyurrealdad8743 2 роки тому +16

    Is it me or is honest goodbye out of tune?

  • @thomashuffmire2303
    @thomashuffmire2303 8 місяців тому

    Damn good Bad Religion the way it was intended to be

  • @JasonMarquez-xd8by
    @JasonMarquez-xd8by Рік тому

    Gotta know the meaning of the standard of one the greats!

  • @jeremydunlap
    @jeremydunlap 5 місяців тому +1

    Brooks Wackerman is a great drummer but he really brought some "this drummer is at the wrong gig" energy to Bad Religion during his tenure lol

  • @JasonMarquez-xd8by
    @JasonMarquez-xd8by Рік тому

    Gotta know the meaning of the standard of one the greats! 26:46

  • @joselema6934
    @joselema6934 2 роки тому

    Únicos ?!! O?!! SORRO

  • @joaolmf
    @joaolmf Рік тому

    My heroes!

  • @joaofuracao
    @joaofuracao 6 місяців тому

    Alguém sabe dizer qual música é a introdução de Generator?

  • @unicajamalaga2
    @unicajamalaga2 2 роки тому +2

    Struck a nerve such unhuman song 😱

  • @hilmanprawindrijo4201
    @hilmanprawindrijo4201 Рік тому +2

    i miss brooks and hetson era

  • @user-uq7lm4vf2j
    @user-uq7lm4vf2j 9 місяців тому

    !!!

  • @silasnofx
    @silasnofx 2 роки тому +2

    I miss Hetson

  • @robinson1875
    @robinson1875 Рік тому

    Is that A7X drummer? 🔥

    • @MrNatego1
      @MrNatego1 9 місяців тому +1

      Yes. Brooks Wackerman. He was in BR for years before A7X

  • @dragonvolt3265
    @dragonvolt3265 7 місяців тому

    brian baker wearing a die ärzte shirt!

  • @steffra4756
    @steffra4756 3 роки тому

    Bello Jay che canta "Volareee ohh ohhh"😂😂😂

  • @Chromodar
    @Chromodar 2 роки тому +2

    Every single time I listen to any live version of Generator with Brooks on drums I'm wondering what the hell he's trying to do at the end when the last "woah's" are done. No other BR drummer has played it like this, and Brooks does it consistently, so it must be a deliberate choice he made. But why tho? I think it sounds really bad. Which is weird when he's probably the best drummer the band has had. 58:45 is the part I'm talking about.

    • @MrJimbo666
      @MrJimbo666 2 роки тому +3

      I agree there is some fills that i hate too.. he's a really good drummer but his style fits better heavy metal than punk imo.

    • @lordvonundzu4348
      @lordvonundzu4348 2 роки тому +2

      No offense: everytime I read these kind of comments I realize that commercial success has its price as musical connoisseurs stand in the crowd and think about (non)sense of a freaky drumm-fill lasting a few seconds during a 1hour+ concert...maybe it fits his own style and he likes it...personal expression and such...Punk!

    • @Chromodar
      @Chromodar 2 роки тому

      @@lordvonundzu4348 In this particular case it straight up comes across as him turning into a 12 year old kid who had too much sugar and is taking it out on the drum kit as hard and fast as he can. What is he expressing exactly?
      Also, I'm not "standing in the crowd". My comment is built on watching countless hours of BR live footage from various concerts at various points in time with different band members, giving me ample opportunities to notice these things.
      Let me ask you a question from genuine curiosity: If you go to 58:27 where the oozin' aahs end and focus on listening to the drums, do you then legitimately think it sounds _good_ when he turns into an ape for 5 seconds at 58:46?
      To me there are no technical details, he's literally just going fast and as hard as he can. The singular reason I don't suspect him of being coked to the eyeballs is that he only does it in this one short section of this one song.
      If I understood what he was trying to do with it, maybe I would mind it less. I just don't. All I get from him is "ME BANG DRUM AAAAAAH!!!".

    • @kerfuffle7362
      @kerfuffle7362 2 роки тому +3

      It's obvious he's a great drummer but Generator never hit the same, for me at least, with Brooks. I much prefer the way Bobby played it

    • @unicajamalaga2
      @unicajamalaga2 2 роки тому +1

      Old songs are way better with Pete and Bob...wackerman is great studio drummer but too much evil demons in his arms )) too much disposable fills at live performance thou...

  • @unicajamalaga2
    @unicajamalaga2 2 роки тому +1

    Тю..под Страдальца вообще немцы не колбасятся! Вы чо? Бюргеры!? Это ж одна из лучших панк гимнов .классика жэ! Always had to suffer

  • @Vovanchib
    @Vovanchib 3 роки тому

    Where is a loa Angeles are burning?

    • @smp_legendary4421
      @smp_legendary4421 2 роки тому

      I know right? LA is burning is one of their best songs. I don't think it was famous yet. Cause LA is burning is from Empire strikes first which would only have been released 4 years before this concert.

  • @unicajamalaga2
    @unicajamalaga2 2 роки тому

    Две бочки у него шоль?

  • @DrRyan
    @DrRyan 2 роки тому

    Great show overall but what the hell is going on in honest goodbye?! Lol

    • @unicajamalaga2
      @unicajamalaga2 2 роки тому

      Guitar loses strings row 🙄

    • @nebojsacato9961
      @nebojsacato9961 Рік тому

      Haha, Brian Baker is way out of tune and doesn't even notice 'til about the 2nd chorus. It looks like Hetson had to tell him to tune the guitar. Guess this was before Baker's got-clean phase. Not trying to be mean, love the guy.

    • @nebojsacato9961
      @nebojsacato9961 Рік тому

      Or maybe he forgot to switch guitars and played in a different tuning. The same happens at the start of Struck a nerve, only he unplugs immediately and switches guitars.

  • @GypsyIrishNewfieNomad
    @GypsyIrishNewfieNomad Рік тому

    The Singer is so exciting to watch , Very animated 😂😅

  • @unicajamalaga2
    @unicajamalaga2 2 роки тому

    Прикол .песни " на ура" лучше чем на самом концерте 🤭

  • @mccalltrader
    @mccalltrader 9 місяців тому

    Ah man, no LA is burning😔

  • @christianhefe3493
    @christianhefe3493 3 роки тому +1

    Gosh, wie scheiße der Kamera-Schnitt 2008 war!

    • @Ruediger_Hasenpusch
      @Ruediger_Hasenpusch 2 роки тому

      In der Tat ist das nicht zu ertragen,was für ein stümperhaftes Schnittmassaker!

  • @tisrockandrollbaby
    @tisrockandrollbaby Рік тому

    This is just a pub rock song

  • @unicajamalaga2
    @unicajamalaga2 2 роки тому

    Как-то толпа не особо фанатеет..будто на Radiohead пришли .а им тут подсунули черт знает что 🙄

  • @elmoblatch9787
    @elmoblatch9787 8 місяців тому

    Wackerman

  • @dionprass
    @dionprass 2 роки тому +8

    Honest Goodbye was out of tune

    • @jeremyreiff6562
      @jeremyreiff6562 Рік тому +3

      Who cares

    • @mr.skinskull3148
      @mr.skinskull3148 Рік тому +2

      I think they down tuned it to save on their voices...

    • @NOFXfrontman
      @NOFXfrontman Рік тому

      Ok

    • @dionprass
      @dionprass Рік тому

      25:06

    • @plasterofparisify
      @plasterofparisify Рік тому

      It's not out of tune it was deliberately tuned down because they aren't playing in a bubble it's hot they are playing songs back to back with sometimes no break at all and don't forget they are older and even with all of that they are killing it so instead of talking shit ask yourself what the fuck have you ever done that anyone would even care enough about to critique? If the answer is nothing then keep your crap to yourself.

  • @jimmyc1158
    @jimmyc1158 2 роки тому +1

    21'st Century Digital Boy from a bunch of balding gen-ex coddled soy boys still rocks.

    • @mr.skinskull3148
      @mr.skinskull3148 Рік тому +3

      ...He typed into his phone to post on social media...

  • @unicajamalaga2
    @unicajamalaga2 2 роки тому

    Раздражает как Ваккэрман не уважает старые песни . испоганил все. Может и не зря его департировали🙄

  • @lohsemichael6398
    @lohsemichael6398 11 місяців тому

    Selten so eine langweilige, und stupide Musik gehört.

  • @elloco6544
    @elloco6544 5 місяців тому

    Just another example of punk rock sellout...

  • @user-hh9en7ue9u
    @user-hh9en7ue9u Місяць тому

    Вокал шикарный у Гриффина.😮

  • @JasonMarquez-xd8by
    @JasonMarquez-xd8by Рік тому

    Gotta know the meaning of the standard of one the greats!

  • @JasonMarquez-xd8by
    @JasonMarquez-xd8by Рік тому

    Gotta know the meaning of the standard of one the greats!