Thank you so much to Ralph...excellent job!! To my ears the 1073 was the thickest with the API having the most punch on the kick drum. I will get those two plugs before any of the others.
Great demo. API had noticeable bite -- almost sounded like some clipping on the snare. Gotta be a quick go-to for rock recordings. Neve was smoother but still lively, UA a lot darker. I was most surprised at how almost choked the snare sounded through the Voxbox. This was a great video! Really helps with making some quick decisions in the recording stage.
I own all of these plugs except for the API. Honestly I go neutral much more than I thought I would. I also frequently track the drums using an additional eight-preamp unit from Audient piped in digitally, so the unison pres can't help there. But on this demo, I thought the Manley VoxBox sounded the most balanced. Nothing was too hyped with that one.
Hey Alex, yup I do understand :) I actually really like the neutral sound of the pres, so I am not "missing" too much most of time. Combining the 8P with Audient ASP880 is actually my alternative setup, if I am not using the UA 4-710d + 4 additional outboard preamps. 8P + ASP is a killer setup, 16 great preamps in 2 rack units :) kind regards!
digitaldrumming Right on! I own the ASP800. It seems like a very professional and solid combination to me, in lieu of buying lots of other high end gear.
The API has that classic punch and the Neve is really warm. The 610's would be my go to for punk rock because of how loose it sounds compared to the others. BTW, in this case, loose is good. Question, I want to expand from 8 to 16 xlr ins. I'm considering the Presonus DP88. Any comments?
Nice demo! Can you share some infos about your drum settings? I mean about tuning shells and especially how you tame snare harmonics, it sound so good, dry and with the just amount of ring! Thanks for the video and keep up the good work :)
Hey Ballo, thank you very much! It´s basically all about tuning, and I have a small moongel-muffle on the snare batter head, that doesn´t kill all of the overtones. Resonant head tuned way higher than the batter head, all overtones in tune with each other, that´s all. No magic ;) But the room acoustics also play a big role, as the snare sound is a mix of direct & overhead mic signal. Kind regards
The neutral, UA 610, and Manley sounded the most warm and versatile, especially the Manley and neutral... The API and Neve sounded a bit stale... But I would pair them with Pultecs to give things some life. Nevertheless, I can see how useful the API and Neve's would be in a busy mix - given their mids-bump. Great drumming and demo.
From the computer speakers sounds better (more versatile, natural and "pro") the Neutral and UA 610 to me. Should be perfect to combine different simulations depending on how they sounds on the drums. Thanks for sharing!
Can anyone direct me on where to find the console set up to these 2 units. Is he running that through mic inputs, ADAT, or World clock. How is this all set up?
Hey Caleb, in this demo only the 8 preamps of the Apollo 8P were used. You can connect 8 additional digital channels of input conversion through ADAT/AES. In my setup I connected the UA-4710d, which offers 8 additional channels of input conversion & the onboard 4 preamps. You could hook up another 4 preamps to the 4 spare conversion channels of the 4710d for a total of 16 input preamp & conversion channels :) Killer setup for recording drums & even small bands. Kind regards!
Hey, really good drumming and nice natural sound you have got there. What material did you use to cover the walls of your room? Are there something else behind the perforated panels or just air gap?
Thank you very much! Yes there is acoustic absorption material behind the perforated acoustic wall panels. In addition to that, I am using GIK acoustics Alpha 4A and Ployfusor panels for a nice mixture of broad band absorption & diffusion (you can see those in the video intro at about 1:10). Kind regards
It was no problem running unsion mic pre simulations on all 8 channels, it´s a key feature of the 8P so it would be pretty strange if it didn´t work on all mic pres at the same time :)
nice comparison video between preamps I'll buy a Duo Interface Does it have DSP capacity to run 8 API vision or 1073 plugins simultaneously, as drum tracking for exemple???
While the Duo would have the capacity, it wouldn't be the same as running through the UA Apollo 8P, because there wouldn't be the eight *unison* pres, which are the real difference maker when talking about UA's preamp emulations. You could still buy the plug and run it as an insert, but the unison technology changes the signal coming in, while the insert would only color it.
Hi thank you a lot for: I really appreciate you took the time to make these great instructional video! I have a question: is it possible to record clean with another console e.g. Midas 32R Live and afterwards add the compressor, eq and effects with UA Apollo Twin and get the same results?
Hi Maxwell, sure there are lots of UA plugins that you can use afterwards in your DAW. The unison mic pre feature as I understand it is specifically designed to be used on the recording inputs to simulate subtle nuances of different brands of analog microphone preamps. I haven't tried to add those later as a DAW plugin, but I guess it might be possible too. Kind regards!
Thanks for the great comparison! This Weekend I‘ve tried my first drum recordings with the apollo 8p. I couldn‘t record with the natural preamps, because everything was clipping (with the gain all the way down). Do you have any idea, what I did wrong? Afterwards I‘ve tried the 610B preamp and everything was fine.
Hey Michael, oh sorry to hear that. As far as I remember, I didn't experience any gain problems when recording. But it's been a while since I did these demos :) are you using the same version of the 8P (I think the newer version is called X8P). Maybe you might check if you have the most recent audio driver for your system? Kind regards & all the best for your recordings!
@@digitaldrumming thanks for your fast answer! I use the same version. Maybe the „pad“ button can fix it in my next recording. I didn‘t think about it earlier.
The UA Apollo 8P has 8 mic pres, so you can track 8 inputs simultaneaously. Beyond that, you can add more inputs through the digital AES EBU or ADAT inputs. Kind regards
Not using good headphones by any standards (M40X), but I could barely hear anything noticeably different between the preamp and the neutral tracks. Did you have all preamps set to their default settings for all 8 channels? It definitely wasn't a gain staging issue, all of them sound like they were at a fairly consistent level. I say this because I just saw (and heard) another video comparing the apollo 8 (neutral) to the UA 410-D (in 3 different modes - solid, mixed, tube) and the ISA428. The differences between them were very very obvious. The 410-D has a very 3D and fuller sound (in all 3 modes) compared to the apollo 8, which is not 3D at all (same goes for your neutral sound). Please note that I don't mean 3D in terms of stereo width or pan relations. Even the mono kick mic of the other guy solo'd through the neutral apollo 8 vs the UA 410-D had a massive difference.
Hm, sorry to hear that. I actually did the demo in coopration with UA at that time, they considered the demo to be representative & featured it on their UA FB channel some years ago. Actually looking at all the other comments I don't have the impression that hardly anybody else listening to the demo has made the same experiences. Kind regards
@@digitaldrumming I don't mean to be negative, sorry if my post came out as such. No doubt you did a great job recording. Just listened to the same thing again on my apollo setup monitoring through Dynaudio LYD 5s. Yes there is a slight overall change (I used the time stamps, the API seems to have a little less of the hats air/presence) - but would I notice it if I wasn't looking for it? Probably not. Maybe my ears aren't trained well enough, but that's what I hear.
@@RipOffImrul Even shooting out "real" analog quality preamps against each other (when executed correctly with exact level matching) will result in rather subtle differences most of the time. If there are any drastic differences in a preamp comparison, most of the time it probably is a level issue (1-2dB louder=subjectively better). The differences between the Apollo 8P pre simulations are also subtle, but audible for sure when the preamps are "driven" with the input gain a little more, which was the case in this setup. Kind regards!
Thank you David! The unison plugins are being used during the recording process to emulate the sound of the different preamps (API, Neve etc). Kind regards!
Great video and great drumming! I'm just about to upgrade my "studio" and I would like your help. I only record drums, no mixing. I have questions about 4 different setups. 1. With the Apollo 8P and 4-710 D, do I get 12 channels? 2. I would prefer 16 channels if I can afford, is there any advantage in buying two Apollo 8? 3. Do one Apollo 8 with a ASP800 work just as well as two Apollos? 4. A cheap solution would be to get two Focusrite Saffire Pro 40 and use with my two Motu 1296 (which I already have.) Your thoughts on this? If not thinking in the terms of money, which solution is the best for drum recording? Do the Apollo work with a PC? Thank you so much for this video and your time! Keep up the great work!
Hi & thank you! I will try to make it brief, that´s a lot of questions ;) you don´t need two Apollo 8P for 16 input channels, only if you actually wanted to make use of 16 channels of unison mic pres. You can absolutely use the Audient ASP880 or 800 to expand your Apollo 8P to 16 input channels. Saffire Pro and/or Motu will probably deliver less quality, but will also work :) the preamps & overall features of the Apollo 8p are great, but come at a higher price. The Audient 8 channels are great bang-for-the buck preamp "workhorses". Hope that helps! Kind regards
you don´t have to translate anything, the page is available both in Germany, English and French. (change it at the top right corner). Please try again or post your question in a pro-s series video from the drum-tec YT channel. kind regards
voxbox was not that great, Api is punchy (espacially snare), neve has nice overall tone, LA610 is nice too, a bit darker and more oldschool like. nice video!
I think 8 channels really thin for a drum recording, this started with 10 channels and i made some compromises. When i would like to make a no compromise drum record i need 16 channels.
Yes and no :) you can get great drum sounds with 4 channels in a great room with a good instrument & player. But you can also get great drum sounds with 32 channels in a great room & good instrument/player. It all depends on the vibe & context. You can easily expand the Apollo to 16 or more channels, but not every project or home studio will be able to afford 16 ch pres & AD/DA in high quality.
***** I'm thinking about rock drumming how I need to put drums to the face. This isn't working with 4 mics, but a kik-snare-overhead pair setup i think how great in jazz music
@wferdinand I would never tell anyone how to record drums, but just to share my experience, I've gone from placing mics on both top and bottom heads of all drums, along with overheads AND room mics (...so a lot of mics) to mostly going in with three or four mic setups. I find if by selecting the right mics and placement I've actually made the drums sound much more exciting in the mix, while also being easier to notch in for sonic balance. It took me a while to get there, but I'm happier now and think the drums are coming out sounding better. We live in a golden age of modern mics too, so it's not that hard to find ones that work. Sometimes, a single omni stuffed right in the middle of the kit is all that's necessary and sounds HUGE. Best of luck.
@@N617A Well, I don´t think there is a "right" or "wrong" way to pan a drums mix honestly. Some prefer drummer view, others prefer audience view, really up to personal taste. You couldn´t possibly pan the drums according to all of the different camera angles from different perspectives in a video obviously ;) kind regards
Jim you are funny, this recording demo demonstartes the subtle differences of the Apollo 8p´s different unison mic preamp simulations when recording drums (hence the title). So for reference & easy comparison, it obviously makes sense to repeat the exact same drum passage. There are several other videos on this channel, that focus more on drums & diferent styles of drumming, just watch those. Kind regards
@@digitaldrumming I stand corrected ,however, my statement was in fact about grooves and sound difference it would show as well, to sell a product one must have a variety of options. Your comment was noted, hope mine was too.
Next time it would be so much eaier to evaluate if you flip through the different pres instead of staying on the same pre for ages. It's about the sometimes subtle nuances. Much easier to hear in a 3-4 second interval! Nice try though :-)
One advantage of todays digital media players is that you can actually jump to different places inside of a video, if you are really interested in the content: 2:32 neutral 2:55 API 3:17 Neve 3:38 UA 610-A 4:00 Manley Voxbox Calling 20 sec drumming demo with one specific sound "for ages" is rather interesting. This video was featured on the official UA social media channels, so thanks for giving it your personal "nice try though".
Hi Casper, you know that placing your drum mics "correctly" helps keeping signals in phase with each other & even more importantly minimizes spill between the different mics (if you place them corresponding to their specific pickup patterns). Kind regards
I have used all of those plugins on my drums except the Manley. And it sounded great. Now I’ve got to try it out.
I was floored by how good the VoxBox sounded. Probably my favorite and will certainly justify the purchase.
Hey. That was the best Apollo with drums demo I've ever seen and I've been on UA's site and many others ! make some more please. Thanks \,,/
Hey Doug, thank you very much! More to come soon... :) kind regards
Great vid ! best straight forward comparison with just nice solid beat. Good job!
Neve made that snare bark in a good way. 610 was the least transparent but sounded so cool. Great video!
Thank you very much!
Thank you so much to Ralph...excellent job!! To my ears the 1073 was the thickest with the API having the most punch on the kick drum. I will get those two plugs before any of the others.
You are very welcome, glad I could help! :)
Great demo. API had noticeable bite -- almost sounded like some clipping on the snare. Gotta be a quick go-to for rock recordings. Neve was smoother but still lively, UA a lot darker. I was most surprised at how almost choked the snare sounded through the Voxbox.
This was a great video! Really helps with making some quick decisions in the recording stage.
Thank you! :)
Man, UA-cam is really taking me to the way back machine today with your videos.
Haha, hope that's a good thing? Kind regards & thanks for dropping by!
@@digitaldrumming Of course. You are my absolute favorite drummer.
@@michaelday6987 Thank you Michael!
Clean and well tuned drums. Good job guys
Thank you very much!
Awesome sound comparison! Thanks for sharing!
Thank you very much!
that brother can drum!! anointed!
Thank you!
610 on everything and 1073 on snare
I own all of these plugs except for the API. Honestly I go neutral much more than I thought I would. I also frequently track the drums using an additional eight-preamp unit from Audient piped in digitally, so the unison pres can't help there. But on this demo, I thought the Manley VoxBox sounded the most balanced. Nothing was too hyped with that one.
Hey Alex, yup I do understand :) I actually really like the neutral sound of the pres, so I am not "missing" too much most of time. Combining the 8P with Audient ASP880 is actually my alternative setup, if I am not using the UA 4-710d + 4 additional outboard preamps. 8P + ASP is a killer setup, 16 great preamps in 2 rack units :) kind regards!
digitaldrumming Right on! I own the ASP800. It seems like a very professional and solid combination to me, in lieu of buying lots of other high end gear.
Using the audient ASP880 here for drum mic pres.. Hard to beat in day to day studio workflow.
1073 and 610-A were my favorites. But the API Vision could be a better fit for some mixes. I liked the neutral sound as well.
Well done comparison. Thanks!
Thank you Hector!
Killer! Whoever says you cant make a great recording with an apollo needs to re-evaluate it, X8p x16 is even better! Great gear, great times!
Thank you Joey, glad you liked it! Kind regards
6-10 A sounds great
Really good video. Would love to see the same type of video with an antelope orion studio .
Thank you very much! Maybe at some time in the future... ;)
Excellent demo!
Thank you!
I dig that Manley kick
The API has that classic punch and the Neve is really warm. The 610's would be my go to for punk rock because of how loose it sounds compared to the others. BTW, in this case, loose is good.
Question, I want to expand from 8 to 16 xlr ins. I'm considering the Presonus DP88. Any comments?
Came for the interface, stayed for the drumming.
Glad to hear, thank you! :)
Nice demo!
Can you share some infos about your drum settings?
I mean about tuning shells and especially how you tame snare harmonics, it sound so good, dry and with the just amount of ring!
Thanks for the video and keep up the good work :)
Hey Ballo, thank you very much! It´s basically all about tuning, and I have a small moongel-muffle on the snare batter head, that doesn´t kill all of the overtones. Resonant head tuned way higher than the batter head, all overtones in tune with each other, that´s all. No magic ;) But the room acoustics also play a big role, as the snare sound is a mix of direct & overhead mic signal. Kind regards
The neutral, UA 610, and Manley sounded the most warm and versatile, especially the Manley and neutral... The API and Neve sounded a bit stale... But I would pair them with Pultecs to give things some life. Nevertheless, I can see how useful the API and Neve's would be in a busy mix - given their mids-bump. Great drumming and demo.
Awesome drummer!
Thank you very much!
The Neve 😍😍
1. 1073
2. Manley
3. API
4. 610
From the computer speakers sounds better (more versatile, natural and "pro") the Neutral and UA 610 to me.
Should be perfect to combine different simulations depending on how they sounds on the drums.
Thanks for sharing!
Love the harmonic of your snare drum. A bit too much with the 1073
Thank you very much, glad you liked it!
Awesome!
Thanks! :)
Personally I would have to say the UA610 was the most well rounded, for me anyways.
that 1073 was PHAT
John agree, you can tell only by the kick drum
Neutral for me and if I had to choose, it would be the 610. The snare really suffered the most once the emulations kicked in.
Can anyone direct me on where to find the console set up to these 2 units. Is he running that through mic inputs, ADAT, or World clock. How is this all set up?
Hey Caleb, in this demo only the 8 preamps of the Apollo 8P were used. You can connect 8 additional digital channels of input conversion through ADAT/AES. In my setup I connected the UA-4710d, which offers 8 additional channels of input conversion & the onboard 4 preamps. You could hook up another 4 preamps to the 4 spare conversion channels of the 4710d for a total of 16 input preamp & conversion channels :) Killer setup for recording drums & even small bands. Kind regards!
Hi is there any latency when you monitor like that with some external effects not from the software of the Apollo but from the monitors of the daw?
Great. Thanks!!!
Hey, really good drumming and nice natural sound you have got there.
What material did you use to cover the walls of your room?
Are there something else behind the perforated panels or just air gap?
Thank you very much! Yes there is acoustic absorption material behind the perforated acoustic wall panels. In addition to that, I am using GIK acoustics Alpha 4A and Ployfusor panels for a nice mixture of broad band absorption & diffusion (you can see those in the video intro at about 1:10). Kind regards
Thanks for the feedback :)
You´re very welcome :)
Great demo did you use 8 preamp plugin in each channel of Drumm or on some channel?
Hey Daniele, the plugins were used on all 8 channels. Kind regards!
digitaldrumming ok, some body said in the forum that the Apollo 8p is weak on DSP and can't support more than 4 plug-in
It was no problem running unsion mic pre simulations on all 8 channels, it´s a key feature of the 8P so it would be pretty strange if it didn´t work on all mic pres at the same time :)
Very helpful
Great to hear, thank you!
nice comparison video between preamps
I'll buy a Duo Interface
Does it have DSP capacity to run 8 API vision or 1073 plugins simultaneously, as drum tracking for exemple???
While the Duo would have the capacity, it wouldn't be the same as running through the UA Apollo 8P, because there wouldn't be the eight *unison* pres, which are the real difference maker when talking about UA's preamp emulations. You could still buy the plug and run it as an insert, but the unison technology changes the signal coming in, while the insert would only color it.
Is this Stanton Moore?
:-D no, it´s www.ralfschumacher.eu Kind regards!
Hi thank you a lot for: I really appreciate you took the time to make these great instructional video! I have a question: is it possible to record clean with another console e.g. Midas 32R Live and afterwards add the compressor, eq and effects with UA Apollo Twin and get the same results?
Hi Maxwell, sure there are lots of UA plugins that you can use afterwards in your DAW. The unison mic pre feature as I understand it is specifically designed to be used on the recording inputs to simulate subtle nuances of different brands of analog microphone preamps. I haven't tried to add those later as a DAW plugin, but I guess it might be possible too. Kind regards!
@@digitaldrumming Many thanks for your reply!
Thanks for the great comparison! This Weekend I‘ve tried my first drum recordings with the apollo 8p. I couldn‘t record with the natural preamps, because everything was clipping (with the gain all the way down). Do you have any idea, what I did wrong? Afterwards I‘ve tried the 610B preamp and everything was fine.
Hey Michael, oh sorry to hear that. As far as I remember, I didn't experience any gain problems when recording. But it's been a while since I did these demos :) are you using the same version of the 8P (I think the newer version is called X8P). Maybe you might check if you have the most recent audio driver for your system? Kind regards & all the best for your recordings!
@@digitaldrumming thanks for your fast answer! I use the same version. Maybe the „pad“ button can fix it in my next recording. I didn‘t think about it earlier.
How did you connect the mic inputs? .. There are 4xlr 4 line in the back... How'd u get to track all inputs at once?
The UA Apollo 8P has 8 mic pres, so you can track 8 inputs simultaneaously. Beyond that, you can add more inputs through the digital AES EBU or ADAT inputs. Kind regards
API sounded best for me
Not using good headphones by any standards (M40X), but I could barely hear anything noticeably different between the preamp and the neutral tracks. Did you have all preamps set to their default settings for all 8 channels? It definitely wasn't a gain staging issue, all of them sound like they were at a fairly consistent level. I say this because I just saw (and heard) another video comparing the apollo 8 (neutral) to the UA 410-D (in 3 different modes - solid, mixed, tube) and the ISA428. The differences between them were very very obvious. The 410-D has a very 3D and fuller sound (in all 3 modes) compared to the apollo 8, which is not 3D at all (same goes for your neutral sound). Please note that I don't mean 3D in terms of stereo width or pan relations. Even the mono kick mic of the other guy solo'd through the neutral apollo 8 vs the UA 410-D had a massive difference.
Hm, sorry to hear that. I actually did the demo in coopration with UA at that time, they considered the demo to be representative & featured it on their UA FB channel some years ago. Actually looking at all the other comments I don't have the impression that hardly anybody else listening to the demo has made the same experiences. Kind regards
@@digitaldrumming I don't mean to be negative, sorry if my post came out as such. No doubt you did a great job recording. Just listened to the same thing again on my apollo setup monitoring through Dynaudio LYD 5s. Yes there is a slight overall change (I used the time stamps, the API seems to have a little less of the hats air/presence) - but would I notice it if I wasn't looking for it? Probably not. Maybe my ears aren't trained well enough, but that's what I hear.
@@RipOffImrul Even shooting out "real" analog quality preamps against each other (when executed correctly with exact level matching) will result in rather subtle differences most of the time. If there are any drastic differences in a preamp comparison, most of the time it probably is a level issue (1-2dB louder=subjectively better). The differences between the Apollo 8P pre simulations are also subtle, but audible for sure when the preamps are "driven" with the input gain a little more, which was the case in this setup. Kind regards!
Hey sir great drumming!!!! Question did you record with the plugins on or did you apply them later?
Thank you David! The unison plugins are being used during the recording process to emulate the sound of the different preamps (API, Neve etc). Kind regards!
Great video and great drumming! I'm just about to upgrade my "studio" and I would like your help. I only record drums, no mixing. I have questions about 4 different setups.
1. With the Apollo 8P and 4-710 D, do I get 12 channels?
2. I would prefer 16 channels if I can afford, is there any advantage in buying two Apollo 8?
3. Do one Apollo 8 with a ASP800 work just as well as two Apollos?
4. A cheap solution would be to get two Focusrite Saffire Pro 40 and use with my two Motu 1296 (which I already have.) Your thoughts on this?
If not thinking in the terms of money, which solution is the best for drum recording?
Do the Apollo work with a PC?
Thank you so much for this video and your time!
Keep up the great work!
Hi & thank you! I will try to make it brief, that´s a lot of questions ;) you don´t need two Apollo 8P for 16 input channels, only if you actually wanted to make use of 16 channels of unison mic pres. You can absolutely use the Audient ASP880 or 800 to expand your Apollo 8P to 16 input channels. Saffire Pro and/or Motu will probably deliver less quality, but will also work :) the preamps & overall features of the Apollo 8p are great, but come at a higher price. The Audient 8 channels are great bang-for-the buck preamp "workhorses". Hope that helps! Kind regards
How do you record the sound from the preamp? Through ADAT or USB?
Hi, the UA APollo 8P is a complete audio interface, including 8 preamps, AD/DA converters & thunderbolt connection. Kind regards!
I'm trying to get some info on a drum tec pro S series and I can't seem to get a reply from anyone what do I do .___.
Hi Stevie, well you should go over to www.drum-tec.de and ask your questions to info@drum-tec.de
Very easy... ;)
***** I did that after translating the page to English and no reply
you don´t have to translate anything, the page is available both in Germany, English and French. (change it at the top right corner). Please try again or post your question in a pro-s series video from the drum-tec YT channel. kind regards
Very nice job! To my ears the ride and hihat are too low in the mix.
voxbox was not that great, Api is punchy (espacially snare), neve has nice overall tone, LA610 is nice too, a bit darker and more oldschool like. nice video!
Thank you!
I think 8 channels really thin for a drum recording, this started with 10 channels and i made some compromises. When i would like to make a no compromise drum record i need 16 channels.
Yes and no :) you can get great drum sounds with 4 channels in a great room with a good instrument & player. But you can also get great drum sounds with 32 channels in a great room & good instrument/player. It all depends on the vibe & context. You can easily expand the Apollo to 16 or more channels, but not every project or home studio will be able to afford 16 ch pres & AD/DA in high quality.
***** I'm thinking about rock drumming how I need to put drums to the face. This isn't working with 4 mics, but a kik-snare-overhead pair setup i think how great in jazz music
ua-cam.com/video/GPPhmyBIi6k/v-deo.html
Have you ever tried Glyn Johns or Recorderman setup? ;)
man, you can get incredible rock sounds with 4 mics. listen to early zeppelin.
@wferdinand I would never tell anyone how to record drums, but just to share my experience, I've gone from placing mics on both top and bottom heads of all drums, along with overheads AND room mics (...so a lot of mics) to mostly going in with three or four mic setups. I find if by selecting the right mics and placement I've actually made the drums sound much more exciting in the mix, while also being easier to notch in for sonic balance. It took me a while to get there, but I'm happier now and think the drums are coming out sounding better. We live in a golden age of modern mics too, so it's not that hard to find ones that work. Sometimes, a single omni stuffed right in the middle of the kit is all that's necessary and sounds HUGE. Best of luck.
Manley killed the snare and sounded too weak. Better gain staging?
shit the 610 is right up there!
Bro why in the ever loving fork would you put the drums at drummer perspective and pan them the "wrong" (;D) way?
Why not? ;)
If I’m wearing headphones and watching, it literally makes me fall on my face XD
@@N617A Well, I don´t think there is a "right" or "wrong" way to pan a drums mix honestly. Some prefer drummer view, others prefer audience view, really up to personal taste. You couldn´t possibly pan the drums according to all of the different camera angles from different perspectives in a video obviously ;) kind regards
Fair point. Just sharing thoughts.
You need to use different grooves same one over and over again
Jim you are funny, this recording demo demonstartes the subtle differences of the Apollo 8p´s different unison mic preamp simulations when recording drums (hence the title). So for reference & easy comparison, it obviously makes sense to repeat the exact same drum passage. There are several other videos on this channel, that focus more on drums & diferent styles of drumming, just watch those. Kind regards
@@digitaldrumming I stand corrected ,however, my statement was in fact about grooves and sound difference it would show as well, to sell a product one must have a variety of options. Your comment was noted, hope mine was too.
Next time it would be so much eaier to evaluate if you flip through the different pres instead of staying on the same pre for ages. It's about the sometimes subtle nuances. Much easier to hear in a 3-4 second interval! Nice try though :-)
One advantage of todays digital media players is that you can actually jump to different places inside of a video, if you are really interested in the content:
2:32 neutral
2:55 API
3:17 Neve
3:38 UA 610-A
4:00 Manley Voxbox
Calling 20 sec drumming demo with one specific sound "for ages" is rather interesting. This video was featured on the official UA social media channels, so thanks for giving it your personal "nice try though".
it was fine for my ears, nice try though))))
Great drummer.
But i cant stand how "correct" everything is lol, mics placed at hyper generic positions etc, just makes my skin crawl a tiny bit heh:)
Hi Casper, you know that placing your drum mics "correctly" helps keeping signals in phase with each other & even more importantly minimizes spill between the different mics (if you place them corresponding to their specific pickup patterns). Kind regards