Pop Flash: “ZywOo Will ALWAYS Be in s1mple’s Shadow!” | CSGO Major Review
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- Опубліковано 8 тра 2024
- Counter Strike, in the heat of CSGO Major PGL Antwerp 2022, the CSGO 2022 esports scene is getting tense. After major formatting issues at the PGL Major, as well the poor standard of CSGO, as Cloud9 & their LAN problems return, Team Vitality and ZywOo crashout early, and NIP CSGO come out on top.
In the new episode of the Pop Flash CSGO podcast, Richard Lewis, Duncan 'Thorin' Shields, and August 'Semmler' Massonnat discuss the best CSGO teams and best CSGO players, including s1mple CSGO, ZywOo CSGO, Furia CSGO, NIP, Team Vitality CSGO and Cloud9's CSGO Roster.
00:00 Major Format Issues! UNFAIR Seedings?!
07:20 Poor Standard of Counter-Strike!
10:47 Cloud9: HUGE Prep Issues! Mental Block?!
30:24 Vitality: DIABOLICALLY BAD! ZywOo Falling Flat?!
53:20 Champions Stage: Furia’s Glaring Issues, NIP ON TOP!
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We all keep talking Karrigan being in nafany's head but no one is talking about how Cadian has figured out Apex and ZywOo. Heroic basically cannot lose to Vitality in the last 2 years, no matter the line up. ZywOo never plays well (his standard for well) against Heroic. Cadian has cracked Apex and Vitality but no one gives him the credit for it
@Ralph Plamer nobody doubts his igl skills what we doubt is his effectiveness as an awper against the likes of the other giants. hes super inconsistent with the big green especially on the big stage.
Not accurate at all.
Thats becouse he is a shit talker on Twitter
comedian
Vitality is trash right now, heroic are bots and will never win on LAN. Hunden cheats they all knew they all lie and cry now karmas never goin to allow them to win on the stage. SCRUBS!
Glad Thorin said his piece about the seeding and matchups. G2 choked for sure, but them getting NAVI and Heroic in their first 2 BO1s and then getting Outsiders and Furia as their BO3s is ridiculous. Especially compared to Flames who played BNE, ENCE (fair enough), but then Spirit who they lost to, Faze (fair enough), and Imperial.
Just doesn't feel like the RMR rankings are comparable to the actual team ranking
g2 is a joke
the most expensive team in csgo history no play off two tournamens in a row should disband
@@TopOnTops They just resign n1ko to a long contract lol. Not gonna disband for sure.
@@TopOnTops your IQ is in the negatives
just salty because he failed both pickem stages and made a fool of himself
That liquid comment by thorin "pulling their own pants and bending over"😂😂 man damn
it's why s1mple will always be the best man's been popping off his entire life no matter how bad his teams are, he's prob had 5 bad matches in the past 7 years
exactly, its unreasonable to expect anyone else to be that good for that long. He's the best to ever touch the game and likely no one will ever top him. He's our Michael Jordan but even more in a class of his own.
Na'Vi has been the best team in the world for 2 years now.
It's not even comparable to Shitality.
Without ZywOo that team is notohing.
@@bipolarminddroppings 2019 and 2020 ZywOo was better than him.
@Waseem Cheema rofl
@@serdartokgoz5000 Not sure what is so funny in facts.
Every passing month, s1mple's consistency -- regardless of who he's played with -- becomes even more of a staggering achievement. When he retires, prepare yourself for decades of "is this the next s1mple?" and the answer, like MJ, is always going to be no. If you even have to ask the question then you know the resume is not sufficient.
The worst s1mple has played on LAN since 2016 is for one series ON THE DAY HIS COUNTRY WAS INVADED AND HIS CITY WAS BEING BOMBED. He looked out of it for one series. Every other Russian/Ukrainian player rightfully has excuses during this whole conflict, but s1mple took just 1 day where he disappeared and was back to best player in the world in his very next official.
@@mckinleyostvig7135 When S1mple plays bad he's still better than 75% of the rest, we need to check and see if he's a cyborg...
Thanks to Dexerto for having these 3 with a regular podcast. Thanks also to Semmler, Thorin and Richard. Much love to you
Feels sad to not see Anders/Moses/Semmler/Sadokist cast a major, keep up the good work though boys!
Yeah, Anders is my favourite.
Yeah, most other casters are a real joke, but Anders is amazing...I wanted him to cast
Sadokist sucks now
We got none of the amazing legacy talent because of how enormous the backlash against the imaginary "old boys club" was. Basically a lot of people learning how to perform on a big stage instead of people who have been there before. It does not feel like a major.
@@vassildshingarov767 what do you mean? You've got four of the most famous, popular and gifted casters in all of eSports there, lol
THORIN. Please always keep it 100 and never change. Your pov and inputs were spot on, as always. Respect bro!
It feels like all that vitality had to do was drop kyojin and pick up Amanek and they would be better than this vitality squad. The switch from speaking French to English clearly didn’t work, and even though magisk and Dupreeh are in definitively better than shox and Amanek individually, this team does not function as a unit.
Kinda feels as if vitality got scammed by dupreeh lul
He is currently performing worse than shoxie and has done a few plays that makes one think whether he is actually playing for vitality or is just there to sabotage the round
if zywoo dost play well they loose
I also thought that was the move. Sure amanek isnt world beater of his own, but he is flexible player of good amount of experience, brain for the game and ofc a french speaker. I didnt trust this move they made, I tried keep myself in check as to not over romantize thevold vit streak but now i think they were on much better path.
I've spent this entire major cycle getting progressively more pissed off by the seeding/format. Been really looking forward to this so I could watch thorin be even more pissed and he ain't disappointing
Considering its their third major, it's absolutely pathetic.
"im thinking of using thorins picks because theres no way hell be wrong 3 times in a row"
@@lohvrti agreed, this seeding would be embarrassing from a totally new TO so if PGL chose it with their experience that's beyond awful
@@dr.frogenstein1841 I've never wanted flashpoint to have been a success more than right now. And what I don't get is the sudden horniness for Swiss system? I'd love to go back to old school double elim playoffs, with proper seeding though.
Thorin, what a sassy tut @ 2:41!
Didn't think you had it in you. Tut tutoo!
I whole heartedly disagree with the thought this major has been boring. Ive watched 80% of the games and there have been a lot that ive loved. I can see where they are coming from but I just cant agree with their take on that
I thought the level of the gameplay was ass in the Major before playoffs.
I was looking for this comment
C9 picking nuke was like navi picking vertigo
the comments about how it often takes people 3 or 4 majors to get used to it, while spinx, hades and the rest of the ence guys are playing their second ever. Spinx is unreal.
Also its ridiculous that the top rated 4 players at this event are all playing their FIRST OR SECOND major ever - Bit, Spinx, Dycha and Patsi. Thats such an insane stat
and all riflers in top 5
Thats really good for cs tho, if they keep it up
love this podcast
If we get navi vs heroic navi vs ence and navi vs faze as well as faze vs furia. I will forget how bad the group stages were and consider it an OK major
Thorin looking Rad with the 1juniorr haircut it’s 🔥🔥🔥
Vitality won't work - Glaive was calm and cool under pressure and Apex - explodes. This triggers Dupreeh. I watched Dupreeh's face when Apex was freaking and he got triggered and his game went to crap.
Stupid analysis
i usually dont agree with thorin but he was spittin
literally
@@thesenate9455 we need his picks so we can do opposite
If I never see another BO1 it will be too soon.
§Duncan made me sub hahaha
Best ad in very long time. His old were so gold hahah
great content
Oh man. I bet whatever happens in between those cuts is outrageously funny
I completely agree with thorin this major doesn’t feel like one so far
Love the new sign-off
Thorin pretty much rappin if he got some tune from 34 minutes non stop till 42
can't wait for the Thorin Showdown hosted by Dexerto!
much love
Gambit/Players/C9 made play offs at Kato and didn't go out in the play ins, they weren't even in the play ins, they did make it out of groups at Pro League
richard lewis is smoking he really hate this roster
Art is the igl, you need to stop expecting him to get 30 kills every game, furias job is to fight not to camp and hide. Furia is the fastest team in the game, we're talking 15 minute halves. They probably are the most fun team to watch in the world right now.
what an interesting trio...all have very interesting opinions don't they
I have never seen you guys talk about ZywOo without bringing up s1mple. Edit: I 100% agree with Richard's take on Vitality's current roster. Their 2021 French Roster would be contending for the #1 team right now no doubt if they kept the same form.
They're just clueless s1mple fanboys.
I love s1mple but dude, they've been trashing zywoo and crying in 2019 and 2020 when ZywOo was literally playing better than s1mple.
@@wertyuiopasd6281 Seriously. You can credit s1mple without discrediting ZywOo and the other way around. You're right. The way they talked about ZywOo has always been suspicious.
I agree Zywoo needs a better IGL. Vitality not playing as a team.
@@adityapathania1098 " interpretation in English itself is a drawback for em"
@@AstroSully I give full credit to s1mple actually, he's better than ZywOo and has been since 2021. But his team is also miles better than ZywOo's. Both are true.
I have a feeling because of the Swiss format team spirit just wins the major as a Russian team
Richard Lewis predicting Spirit upset Furia is legit now 🙂
Here before Spirit wins the major!
Is that FOOTBALL MANAGER reference?!?
NIP were awesome on first 10 round of inferno vs NAVI. FAZE vs NIP will be awesome. Can't wait
Is Thorin Scottish or somewhere in the north of England? Curious where that accent comes from!
17:38
i guess it's a win?
WHAT WAS CUT AT 26:30 THEY ROB US OF THORIN POPPING OFF
something outrageous
Device also killed the Astralis bargaining power. 5 players and a coach together for all the accomplishments they had? Even saying he was willing to transfer hurt the team immensely. It's definitely one of the worst transfers in eSports history, not just CS. I think Glaive went over it in the dexerto interview with SADO, check it out
They're right 🤔 last major was a lot more like exciting
Idk I think this one is better because more upsets and faze aren’t as strong as Navi was
Whatchu mean last major
It was NaVi will win who can come after them. This time it’s actually competetitive.
The last major was the first in years, and represented a return to normalcy for the community. I don't see how you can top that
I hope you're not implying that Jame has negative impact because he is patently above average
Electronic wants his spot back…..
Umm did thorin say that Niko ask for all resources when appropriate? Nah the man just screams his way to the IGL position.
Man that hobbit drama was so bad. I think Hobbit was crying during the game. Feelsbad
The Swisstem doesnt build hype really. Suddenly we are in the quarter finals. I watched alot at the start, but somehow it got kinda boring, now where in the quarter-semi final all of a sudden. Weird.
47:37 this is the biggest factor about ZyWoo the teammates, RPK, NBK- Apex and shox lmfao he was boosted by being set up so heavily
??? Literally has played amazingly with different lineups without RPK & NBK. Even before Apex was IGLing. What are you on about?
@@AstroSully he is talking the same thing thorin is. Which isn't wrong
@@ojas51 Saying ZywOo is only great because of his teammates is not accurate. Every superstar is boosted by their teams. They're still superstars nonetheless.
@@ojas51 bruh s1mple's team mates literally create space for him lmao. The fuck you even talking about
@@AstroSully If that is what you think then when Thorin said about s1mple solo carrying all these years. And that Zywoo should never be compared to s1mple. Do you agree with that as well?
Maybe Device could replace Zywoo in Vitality
How would that fix anything? They'd still have a language barrier
@@MusicJunkie37 -apex -misuta
+glaive +xyp9x
The fact that you think replacing ZywOo is even option is concerning.
Title?
2019
2020
Next.
Thorin needs to get a refund from his barber
This didn't age well..
Zywoo = 1 Major
Simple = 1 Major
Lmao stop it
It's a team game, don't try to pin it on one player
S1mple didn't win alone either
Zywooo needs great players around him
Lol, if Vitality lose to Heroic, then maybe Heroic deserve it more? I mean what's the beef with the system? You can't consider a team the best while also praying they get an easy schedule. You either have solutions or you don't, it doesn't work both ways. I could not disagree anymore than I do, I think the swiss system is fine.
Yeah just watch the run Navi had in 2021 major, they defeated every top team in the world to win the trophy, if u want to win a tournament like this u shouldn’t rely on a easy group or draw like if u want to be the best, u have to beat the best in the world
Didn't know dexerto host's Thorin's Thoughts 😂 holy shite.
All still mates tho...
The thing that bothered me is that there was very little online info to find along the way trying to check standings at such
Hltv has everything
@@WayTooAwesome how about the fact if I Google PGL major rn the first 5 links are all to the Stockholm major😂
@@lohvrti idk man ask valve to fix that :)
@@WayTooAwesome it's literally nothing to do with valve, lmao. It's to do with how shittily this major has been marketed. Why is it it takes me three HLTV links to find the schedule, lol
Thorin was right GIGACHAD
I must say I can't be bothered watching Vertigo. Maybe I'm boomer but I would rather watch d2 every matchup. Even if it is like FaZe vs Na'Vi, the map just doesn't capture any interest in me from the PoV of a viewer. It is like overmatch map, idk, just too unique to enjoy. And Aztec is just Valorant map, it is meh but acceptable.
aztec isnt in the map pool
you mean ancient?
Yea i mean ancient im casual af sorry
38:10
I know it's not part of their job, but considering they are very involved in pro CSGO and the players, are they able to pressure valve into making changes to the format, to the map pool and to the game balance?
No one can pressure Valve to do anything beyond like, world governments.
Banks
I kinda feel like they are salty AF. Personally, I think this major has been fire.
I think thorin is just pissed he's getting a bronze pickems coin.
Obliviously best analyst
Aren’t we all 😪
@@MintP1cker he said obliviously, not obviously
So sad byetality had to change roster. They are top 3 team already. They screwed shox, zywoo and themselves XD
I'm not even gonna cap, I am not a fan of thorin but he is absolutely right. This major was a fucking joke, big teams choking and losing to dark horses because, especially vitality closing games that close like wtf? U had every advantage and u still shit the bed
Welcome to competition. Your definition of a joke is just stupid, that's literally what competitive tournaments are about. Upsets and pressure
@@symbolitical4158 upsets weren't real upsets, it was just big teams vs big teams and shit new dark horses get to qualify because big teams eliminate each other and have to pull through shit. It wasn't real competition look at CPHF games, they didn't face a single decent fucking team, and almost choked against 5 vs 4 and a dude who hasn't touched the game in 2 FUCKING YEARS, and almost won if not for jabbi triple headsshoting him with a mp9
@@jonginny9879 yeah, nobody wants to watch a no name team with no name players, I wanna watch big teams battle it out.
WWE is worse than nothing mate. It's fake and acting like it is otherwise.
The worst part is that people pretend or think it is real.
BO1s are not scripted, at the very least
my only question is: does Thorin still thinks that Fallen is the most overrated AWPer in CS?
Zywoo is too nice and passive, that's his downfall. Being angry and firey is what sets s1mple apart from others. You need to embrace your inner rage to hit the highest level.
This year has been his most passive years in terms of going for opening kills. Vitality are not using him right.
He was the most aggressive starplayer we've seen on the game so far since 2019. He is anything but passive.
@@wertyuiopasd6281 Meant personality wise not game wise. He's too gentle. s1mple lets his teammates know when he's unhappy with how they play.
@@sirruffalot Whether ZywOo is gentle or not changes nothing.
His teammates are shit individually. And it has been the case since 2019.
@@wertyuiopasd6281 My point exactly. What did s1mple do when his teammates were shit? He let them know until the org fixed it. Zywoo needs to let his teammates know they're not good and need to step it up.
i dont see why lewis thinks that the quality of CS has been bad, its been great and the storylines and upsets have been pretty crazy to see
Bc faze, furia, vitality, g2, outsiders and c9 were underwhelming
@@bigbrainman3040 just because teams have been underwhelming doesnt mean the cs itswlf has been bad
Arr0w I think it's more been the way the CS is played rather than the quality. Most of the matches have very high quality of play, but a lot of matches have been quite boring to watch with the current slow meta and saving rather than going for disadvantageous 3v3 or 2v3 situations.
They don't know anything about CS, they don't realize that teams are getting stronger and stronger and that's why
tier 2 can beat tier 1 etc. I mean they are silvers in-game so what would you expect from 2 old f****
Thorin’s so right. This has been the shittiest major of recent memory. I feel so disinterested in the matches now
just because your fav teams aint in the playoffs?
@@outdatedmind2978 I’m not sure why I feel this way. Faze is my favorite team so I don’t think it’s that. I also love Navi. The last major was way more exciting for some reason
No offence but every time I watch Pop Flash. Its basically Thorin talking, and Semmler and Richard listening.
these arent analysts they are clowns, waste of time they are silver coin champions
Thorin talking about ZywOo's career has been online mostly. Still doesn't highlight the fact that he has a 1.26 Rating on LAN tied with s1mple. Classic.
Thorin also doesnt' realize ZywOo has a MVP in Cologne during his 1st pro year lmfao.
@Astro The question is over how many maps? If tomorrow a guy plays 1 map on LAN and has the best game of his life with a 1.3 rating and retires. Will you say he is the best LAN player? Zywoo hasn't played anything close to as many maps as s1mple on LAN and still has only the same rating when people lose rating the more maps they play usually.
@@sohamchatterjee5223 355 Maps. That's half of s1mple's map total with s1mple having 3-4 years on him.
@@sohamchatterjee5223 thorin is an absolute clown,if you agree with him then I don't know what to tell you except that don't ride on the zywoo hate train just because he's a rival to s1mple lmao
Still doesn't realize ZywOo has been the best player in the world in 2019 and 2020 as well LMFAO
That clown.
imagine giving space to thorin, low level effort all around
left the top 2 long thorin u got a haircut like women
the most toxic analysts all put together.
Pgl fell off + thorin zoomer haircut + ratio
I don't understand how anyone can sit through this, I tried giving Thorin a chance but he is absolutely insufferable. Christ
I guess this is why they stopped this show , all these takes are garbage, maybe ok at best .
I'm a simple man. I clicked on the video, see thorin and immediately left.
I tried giving him a chance, instant regret
@@kozcs2 I hear you brother, I hear you.
L thorin
such clickbait title after the terrible performance of magisk and dupreeh, and ZywOo's incredible performance against the other teams.
He literally carried them till here, that version of Vitality shouldn't have come even close to qualifying to the legend stage.
S1mple has a great team, zywoo doesn't.
It’s not a clickbait title if you watch the whole thing. At that point in s1mple’s career was carrying his team into the final 8.
They never liked Zywoo even in 2019 and 2020 they were dissing him. Hope zywoo comes back good and shuts them up.
@@ford1chevy2dodge3 Stop acting like ZywOo didn't carry a shittier team all his career especially in 2019/2020.
ZywOo has never had a hltv top 20 player alongside him in his whole life. s1mple always had better teammates than him.
@@wertyuiopasd6281 where was s1mples help on liquid? No top 20 players there. And don’t say Elige. He was NOT the player then he is now. Not even close. He carried the first NA team to a major grand final. Ever. Then had carried Edward and zues’s corpses. Not saying zywoo doesn’t have help
When will this dude be cancelled ?
Thorin still a clown? Although I do agree on his view on the format. Absolutely horrible
He clearly is a clown
banned by Thorin train! Every one comment on this if you got banned on twitter
m4a1s is overpowered and csgo devs don't care about balance therefore it's a waste of time to play csgo
Cope
@@akomar93 8:37
Banks
Th🤡rin
+1
I have this feeling dev1ce did what he did for his girlfriend and then they split up. So she ultimately ruined his career. Stay on the grind boys, don’t throw your life away to satisfy someone else. If someone isn’t willing to stand by you they aren’t worth your time.
Ehh yes and no, if you truly love someone then you are prepared to sacrifice and they have been dating for literally years. Seems like it completed just happened out of nowhere and that's probably why he's been so screwed up mentally. Like you're assuming CSGO means everything to him, over loving someone, which clearly isn't the case lol.
@@symbolitical4158 His point is different....He said if someone isn't willing to stand by you then they aren't worth your time.... Device should have known about her if they have been dating for years but seems like he didn't and she did end up ruining his career
u cannot take serious this interview. Why? Because one of those "csgo experts" said that the twice champion major winner is "overrated". Nothing good can be taken regardless of that point forward
If said 2 time major winner hasn't won a Tier 1 event since the end of 2017, then surely they are overrated in present day... no? You are doing it yourself - you are rating him based on being a 2-time major winner, not on his current form.
@@donnybaseball665 whos the player theyre talk8ng about?
@@donnybaseball665 base on what you just said it means that JW is overrated also? or KRIMS? or KennyS? GetRight? Dupreeh? or DEVICE?! come on man... respect the history of CS, the people make history for a reason. The didn't preserve on history based on mere overrated. Get lost
@@unimatrixz3ro226 You missed so far what he is saying.
He is not saying they were back back then.
He is saying that rating their skill now, by saying "they were 2 time major champions" back in 2017, is overrating them. You are basing them on achievements they haven't reached in over 4 years. You should be basing them on what they are achieving now, to say whether or not they are currently overrated in the present day.
Imperial is an overrated oldhead team that will never do any damage to actual good teams. Stop coping with the "2 majors tho" like that wasn't over 5 years ago. Look at their shit stats and be real with yourself
These guys are such vitality and zywoo haters... They have a whole section of the video shitting on vitality for not making top 8 and they don't even talk about G2 lmao.
yes
Why's thorin here??
Wdym, he’s always here, I’m confused.
why are you here? go back to reddit
Th🤡rin
Banks
The clown is everywhere.
These washed ups talking about pros like ZywOo or s1mple lmao. I love them both.
But just to answer the clickbait title of a silver: 2019 / 2020=> ZywOo> s1mple. 2021/2022 s1mple>ZywOo. got it noobs?
Cry is free.
For real. s1mple is the GOAT. But the fact they talked as if ZywOo is not even close (Atleast in terms of individual skill) for the past 4 years is fucking deluded.
@@AstroSully he did not say he was not close for 4 years. He even said he deserved his number 1 spot in 2019 and that 2020 was a fucked up year which is true. They are saying that s1mple has been way better than Zywoo for a year and a half now and it is a fact. They also brought up consistency and it's true that zywoo is quite inconsistent, compentasing his slumps by big highs. You will always prefer perfect consistency like s1mple, never ever dropping.
@@BootTheSystem Go back to the time in 2019 or 2020 when they talked about ZywOo even in those times they never admitted ZywOo was on s1mple's level let alone better. Now they're backtracking lol.
@@BootTheSystem Point they rarely give ZywOo credit when he's at the top and slander him when he's struggling. Nothing fair about that.
@@AstroSully that is straight up false at those times thorin wrote articles each year with his personal rankings and in 2019 he was very praiseful of zywoo. You get this idea that they hate him because you are a die hard fan of zywoo and I think you don't like objective critism of your idol. Those guys are harsh on anyone that underperforms, it's their style.
Thorin talks too much, annoying
Isn't that the point of a podcast
@@sardine7423 dude he's the one only talking,80% of the time.
The fact that he talks too much isn't the problem.
The fact that he is spouting full BS is.
Then emm, don't watch pop flash then, mayber?
26:30 lollll something has been timestamped here, I'm sure it was a banger from Thorin, judging by Richard and Semmler desperately trying not to crack up in the aftermath 😂😂
Banks
wat about him
Banks
m4a1s is overpowered and csgo devs don't care about balance therefore it's a waste of time to play csgo.
Classic
Cope
@@akomar93 look in the mirror
Your AK recoil control is underpowered.
C O P E.
Absolutely witty original comment. Lol