I don't know how you manage to find the time to do everything you do, but its greatly appreciated. Have learnt so much from your videos, thanks so much.
I’m very new to beekeeping, your channel and many others are going to help me increase my hive count. Started with 5 in May, I’m at 7 now. I’m grafting cells had three take, now let’s see if I can get her matted. Thanks bud
this is a method I have been using for years you are a smart bee keeper I tell you a little advantage to it the following day you could coat a queen with a little honey and release her right away reason being the nuke was made up with nurse b you can set it up beside the doner hive and they won't leave that nuke I love it
Great video and really clear view of the eggs. I have kept bees for 25 years and have never tried this method - but I definitely will in the future. So pleased to have stumbled across your channel. Thanks for all the time and effort you put into your videos to share with us.
Love your vids and I’m learning so much from you gruff and John and I haven’t got any bees yet so your my research place to go, so I might be wrong but leaving the split a week without the queen what happens if your queen dosent come or is dead when she arrives would the totally queen less colony not start to lay drones. ??
@@BlackMountainHoney thank you for your reply. Till now i was buying queens..but would like to try to raise them in my hive...i dont know if i would know how :) are the queens bad - quality from emergency cells?
I Will get in to details about grafting...but theory...these grafted cells are also emergency queen cells...the time/how old is the egg/larva is important?
You can easily adapt it for the same apiary. Just close them in for 24 hrs, load it with a bit more brood and stuff grass in the new entrance so they have to work through it. Most bees will reorientate
You may be able to add an extra frame of brood or 2 on day one then shake the nurse bees into the nuk before you place them back into the donor colony . The field bees will fly back to the original spot leaving the nurse bees with the relocated nuk.
Hi. Thanks so much. I was going to use a method where you shake bees down. First, I found it complicated and second, I didn't order right equipment to use with that method. This seems less complicated. This is an old video so hope you get notified. I have a couple questions. I am pretty new at beekeeping and this will be my first attempt at splitting. #1: I have a hive with 3 brood boxes at the moment. Can I put the recipient frames on top of the 3 boxes with the queen excluder. Also, could I put 2 nucs on top of the 3 brood boxes with the appropriate frames of brood, stores, etc. Allowing nurse bees to come into both, therefore, 2 nucs 2 queens and not having to transfer them to another box. Also, if I want to make 4 nucs from this one colony, can I do this in one day. Also, how long should I allow for the nurse bees to fill the recipient box. One last question, I have one hive stronger than my second, more brood, do I put my recipient on the weaker and transfer the frames of brood, stores, eggs, etc. From the stronger one. Hope I'm not too confusing and thank you for your time in answering me. Thank the person who gave you this method also. Sorry so long.
I have a new hive I got this spring and they were very docile and easy to work with at first but now they've so aggressive that I'm thinking about setting them on fire and giving up on beekeeping. I've been trying to ask for help figuring out what's going on and how to deal with them from my local beekeeping association but they're not able to help so far. I'm desperate, they're stinging me repeatedly even through the suit if I even get near them, and I can't even open the hive to mess with them at all.
Oh dear. Sounds terrible. I have hives like this! You need to requeen them with a gentle F1 queen of known temperament but appreciate that's quite difficult when they are so aggressive. Where abouts are you based?
@@BlackMountainHoney Mississippi. They weren't aggressive at first. Requeening is certainly something I'm willing to try, but I'm not leaning towards genetics being the issue since they were so docile up to this point. But I'm getting quite scared of them. If I even get near the hive they attack and even through my bee suit they still manage to sting me many, many times. I've got kids, pets, elderly neighbors. I've got to get these bees under control and I'm at a loss how to do that when even a protective suit isn't protecting me from the stings. My daughter tried to go outside and was her car today and they swarmed her. She didn't get stung but she ran back inside and wasn't able to wash her car. We can't get in the pool right now either.
@@lifeunfiltered4822 I have had aggressive bees that you can't go near. So I've got lots of sympathy for you my advice would be sell them advertise them cheap half price explain their aggressive somebody will come and take them away you can start again with some better bees requeening is not an option for you because it would take at least 2 months before they calm down that they would probably keep killing the Queen anyway if they're cheap an experienced beekeeper will be happy to take them away and sort them out.
@@jesshowe4591 it may come to that. If I could find a way to work them without getting stung so much, I would like to try some of the things that might help calm them down first before giving up. I'm brainstorming ways to make it to where they can't sting me through my suit
@@lifeunfiltered4822 if they really nasty I put full overalls on first then a full bee suit two pairs of gloves a woolen hat under suit wellingtons and give them loads of smoke so that you can't see the Hive good luck.
I like the idea of making a split without having to find the queen, I will certainly give that a try. I assume you knock down the emergency cells and introduce a new mated queen, because the colony will build a lot quicker?
That's genius *edit* been thinking about this more ,I suppose if you want to replace a queen but you cant find her at all ,you could shake all the bees from brood frames and put them all in a new box above a queen excluder, then simply move the old box away to bleed off all the foragers too ,that will isolate the queen or make her easier to find at least?
Fairly new to beekeeping but this seems an awesome way to do it even if I don't have Queens....i have been doing it the other way but don't move them to a.new apairie....What has worked for me after splitting is i leave the nuke shut for three days after i split them and it seems to work...i also do the same with swarms as I can't spare bróod for them but none left the boxes after been shut in for three days.....don't know where i got three days but seemingly it works.......ps...which vid shows you explaning the demaria split
She doesn't. That's why the QX is in place. If you deliberately add her to the nuc and leave BIAS behind, the bees will convert larvae to emergency queen cells and requeen naturally, although this can sometimes promote swarming if you dont single them down to one cell
the same setup can be done by using only wet brood setup above the excluder 5or6 frames of wet brood can make you 2decent nuke go true your apiery and find you some close to emerging brood a bout 6 keep them warm on another hive within a hour and those wet brood is loaded up take two of the cap brood set them in a nuke box with a frame of food and anything else foundation or drawn comb then shake two of the wet brood with the nurse b on and so you could make 3 from that big hive then you doo as u like with the wet brood give some back to the colony that was the dona for the nuke
Its all down to timing for me. Add a mated queen and they are guaranteed to immediately grow. There is uncertainty with letting them raise their own queen
You don’t need to make a beehive hopefulness queen less to make a spit It take at least 2 hours for a bee hive to find out they’re queen less. Just put a candy tube in while you put the queen in
I'm not sure why you Europeans feel the need to wait a week to introduce the queen you could just stick her in right away. or if you want to be super safe you can stick around right away with a queen cage and pull a queen cage in a week.
Every one has a different way of doing things in beekeeping. Take no notice of the grumpy comments. Thanks for your videos they are so useful.
I don't know how you manage to find the time to do everything you do, but its greatly appreciated.
Have learnt so much from your videos, thanks so much.
Hey Peter! Thank you. Glad you find the videos useful 👍
That’s a great method, particularly useful if you want to use one hive to donate brood and another for nurse bees. 👍
I’m very new to beekeeping, your channel and many others are going to help me increase my hive count. Started with 5 in May, I’m at 7 now. I’m grafting cells had three take, now let’s see if I can get her matted. Thanks bud
this is a method I have been using for years you are a smart bee keeper I tell you a little advantage to it the following day you could coat a queen with a little honey and release her right away reason being the nuke was made up with nurse b you can set it up beside the doner hive and they won't leave that nuke I love it
Great video and really clear view of the eggs. I have kept bees for 25 years and have never tried this method - but I definitely will in the future. So pleased to have stumbled across your channel. Thanks for all the time and effort you put into your videos to share with us.
Thanks Jane. Its a method that is used a lot in the US. I was taught it by someone on FB!
A really interesting time lapse demonstration, thanks Laurence.
Cheers Rob! Hope you found it useful 😀
Love the manipulation! Thoroughly explained and demonstrated...what a time saver :-)
Very good. Will do this from now on.
Fabulous, thanks!!!! 🙂👌
Thank you well done I have a hive box just for that use.
Simply brilliant 👏
Love your vids and I’m learning so much from you gruff and John and I haven’t got any bees yet so your my research place to go, so I might be wrong but leaving the split a week without the queen what happens if your queen dosent come or is dead when she arrives would the totally queen less colony not start to lay drones. ??
Thank you for great videos. What is your opinion on making new bee family with the emergency queen cells. About the quality od the queen
Cheers. Not my preference - I prefer to raise from grafted cells
@@BlackMountainHoney thank you for your reply. Till now i was buying queens..but would like to try to raise them in my hive...i dont know if i would know how :) are the queens bad - quality from emergency cells?
@@climb315 It's all to do with nutrition at an early stage. Grafting isn't hard. You will get better results
I Will get in to details about grafting...but theory...these grafted cells are also emergency queen cells...the time/how old is the egg/larva is important?
@@climb315 No. They are different. Emergency cells are formed in standard cells. Not queen cups. They have a 90 degree bend in their formation
Interesting method, can’t use it myself since I’ve only got the one apiary. I’ll keep a lookout for the way to do this without access to another site.
You can easily adapt it for the same apiary. Just close them in for 24 hrs, load it with a bit more brood and stuff grass in the new entrance so they have to work through it. Most bees will reorientate
You may be able to add an extra frame of brood or 2 on day one then shake the nurse bees into the nuk before you place them back into the donor colony . The field bees will fly back to the original spot leaving the nurse bees with the relocated nuk.
Hi. Thanks so much. I was going to use a method where you shake bees down. First, I found it complicated and second, I didn't order right equipment to use with that method. This seems less complicated. This is an old video so hope you get notified. I have a couple questions. I am pretty new at beekeeping and this will be my first attempt at splitting. #1: I have a hive with 3 brood boxes at the moment. Can I put the recipient frames on top of the 3 boxes with the queen excluder. Also, could I put 2 nucs on top of the 3 brood boxes with the appropriate frames of brood, stores, etc. Allowing nurse bees to come into both, therefore, 2 nucs 2 queens and not having to transfer them to another box. Also, if I want to make 4 nucs from this one colony, can I do this in one day. Also, how long should I allow for the nurse bees to fill the recipient box. One last question, I have one hive stronger than my second, more brood, do I put my recipient on the weaker and transfer the frames of brood, stores, eggs, etc. From the stronger one. Hope I'm not too confusing and thank you for your time in answering me. Thank the person who gave you this method also. Sorry so long.
Hello, in what month you do one frame brood nucs? May? Thank you
So do you post queens to anywhere in UK as stated or not? Your website indicates you do not post to NI ????????
UK mainland I am afraid. When I filmed this video I wasn't aware of new restrictions on sending to NI.
Ok thanks for that. I'll organise a protest march right now
Great technique
Thank you! Cheers Les
My donor colony already has a sealed queen cell. Can I use this technique to split it off with some brood in the same way, instead of a mated queen?
I have a new hive I got this spring and they were very docile and easy to work with at first but now they've so aggressive that I'm thinking about setting them on fire and giving up on beekeeping. I've been trying to ask for help figuring out what's going on and how to deal with them from my local beekeeping association but they're not able to help so far. I'm desperate, they're stinging me repeatedly even through the suit if I even get near them, and I can't even open the hive to mess with them at all.
Oh dear. Sounds terrible. I have hives like this! You need to requeen them with a gentle F1 queen of known temperament but appreciate that's quite difficult when they are so aggressive. Where abouts are you based?
@@BlackMountainHoney Mississippi. They weren't aggressive at first. Requeening is certainly something I'm willing to try, but I'm not leaning towards genetics being the issue since they were so docile up to this point. But I'm getting quite scared of them. If I even get near the hive they attack and even through my bee suit they still manage to sting me many, many times. I've got kids, pets, elderly neighbors. I've got to get these bees under control and I'm at a loss how to do that when even a protective suit isn't protecting me from the stings. My daughter tried to go outside and was her car today and they swarmed her. She didn't get stung but she ran back inside and wasn't able to wash her car. We can't get in the pool right now either.
@@lifeunfiltered4822 I have had aggressive bees that you can't go near. So I've got lots of sympathy for you my advice would be sell them advertise them cheap half price explain their aggressive somebody will come and take them away you can start again with some better bees requeening is not an option for you because it would take at least 2 months before they calm down that they would probably keep killing the Queen anyway if they're cheap an experienced beekeeper will be happy to take them away and sort them out.
@@jesshowe4591 it may come to that. If I could find a way to work them without getting stung so much, I would like to try some of the things that might help calm them down first before giving up. I'm brainstorming ways to make it to where they can't sting me through my suit
@@lifeunfiltered4822 if they really nasty I put full overalls on first then a full bee suit two pairs of gloves a woolen hat under suit wellingtons and give them loads of smoke so that you can't see the Hive good luck.
What makes a good queen 👑, what should we look for?, Just wondering if bigger queen's are better or worse than smaller ones?, ☺️👍👍
The temperature bothers me, will the brood not get cold ????
Can I buy queen buckfast mated? And shipping to Indonesia. Thank you🙏🙏🙏
Unfortunately its UK mainland shipping only :(
@@BlackMountainHoney thank you for information. 🙏🙏🙏
constructive criticism should definitely be encouraged and welcomed - when you think about it, this is so obvious
Its the only way we improve.
'but I've done it that way for 30 years'.....
sigh.
We did a split using almost the same method, except our mentor designed a piece of kit especially for the job
I like the idea of making a split without having to find the queen, I will certainly give that a try. I assume you knock down the emergency cells and introduce a new mated queen, because the colony will build a lot quicker?
Yes - that's right. We never let them raise queens from ECs. We do graft cells once they are hopelessly queenless
That's genius *edit* been thinking about this more ,I suppose if you want to replace a queen but you cant find her at all ,you could shake all the bees from brood frames and put them all in a new box above a queen excluder, then simply move the old box away to bleed off all the foragers too ,that will isolate the queen or make her easier to find at least?
That's how Mike Palmer does it in his queen rearing video. Don't even need to move it was. They soon scurry through leaving the queen!
@@BlackMountainHoney brilliant, thanks !
Fairly new to beekeeping but this seems an awesome way to do it even if I don't have Queens....i have been doing it the other way but don't move them to a.new apairie....What has worked for me after splitting is i leave the nuke shut for three days after i split them and it seems to work...i also do the same with swarms as I can't spare bróod for them but none left the boxes after been shut in for three days.....don't know where i got three days but seemingly it works.......ps...which vid shows you explaning the demaria split
What heppens to the mother hive if the queen ends up in the nuke ?
She doesn't. That's why the QX is in place.
If you deliberately add her to the nuc and leave BIAS behind, the bees will convert larvae to emergency queen cells and requeen naturally, although this can sometimes promote swarming if you dont single them down to one cell
the same setup can be done by using only wet brood setup above the excluder 5or6 frames of wet brood can make you 2decent nuke go true your apiery and find you some close to emerging brood a bout 6 keep them warm on another hive within a hour and those wet brood is loaded up take two of the cap brood set them in a nuke box with a frame of food and anything else foundation or drawn comb then shake two of the wet brood with the nurse b on and so you could make 3 from that big hive then you doo as u like with the wet brood give some back to the colony that was the dona for the nuke
Can you use this method but let them produce there own queen
Yes. But I don't like the emergency impulse personally
Why introduce a new queen? What's wrong with the emergency queen cells? Is it not easier just to let them make their own queen?
Its all down to timing for me. Add a mated queen and they are guaranteed to immediately grow. There is uncertainty with letting them raise their own queen
@@BlackMountainHoney Thanks, I'm learning as I go. Your brilliant videos have really helped with the learning curve.
You don’t need to make a beehive hopefulness queen less to make a spit It take at least 2 hours for a bee hive to find out they’re queen less. Just put a candy tube in while you put the queen in
I was doing a split yesterday and killed my queen. But I still did the split
I'm not sure why you Europeans feel the need to wait a week to introduce the queen you could just stick her in right away. or if you want to be super safe you can stick around right away with a queen cage and pull a queen cage in a week.