It really AMAZES me how these things are able to work with all of that damned "clanging" and knocking. Sounds like they're falling apart, but that's just part of Diesel process. Then, all the plumbing fittings. With household plumbing, you mis-tighten a joint and water or gas goes all over the place. Yet, they get all these fittings to fit tightly together.
@@tankman_tv9332 Yeah, but even older Mercedes Diesel autos knocked pretty good. I have noticed modern Diesels - autos, trucks and cars far more quiet!
@@JungleYT these are pretty loud just because everything is so much bigger and lubrication isn’t always perfect plus there are no sound barriers on these engines. Nothing in the world quite like starting one
Patriot1776 BTW, that engine I'm guessing was on loan from UP to pay back HP-hour debt owed am I right? I wonder if loaned power has ever caused any operating difficulties in terms of speed, like loaned units having different or near incompatible gearing...
+Patriot1776 The biggest problem with "foreign" engines on a line is reliability of operation. Usually, they don't get serviced as well until they get home.
+Topeka Kansas Electric driven compressor. Once the MR is at 140psi, the unloader valve empties the cylinders before the motor contactors open. This prevents an abrupt stop. It sounds funny and almost like whistling bottle rockets.
Beautiful locomotives those C40-8's... That engine remind me the precious C30-7's and the Super 7's from Ferromex. Greetings from Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, my friend!!
it is the compressed air "air dryers", also called "spitters" that are clearing themselves from condensation water. they are on the other units that are running already. Moisture in the airlines is a terrible thing, can cause "signal" or brake control failure. RR airbrake lines are "failsafe" air to release, ie if they lose air, the breaks apply
Agreed they all have there own smell from a John Deere to a cat to a case to an international and of course the two stroke Detroit Diesel and the 60 series Detroits. Pulled wrench on a lot of the Mechanic for over 37 years. And of course The Mack Diesel’s. The ones with the pollution BS makes you sick. America will never eliminate the internal combustion engines. It just can’t be done
@ new engines just smell… Foul. I’d even go as far as venturing to say that diesel motors from the 2000s don’t even smell as amazing as the eighties/70s diesels did. I don’t know if we had the Detroit diesel two-stroke in the UK, but I’m guessing many of them are still going as I’m guessing their bulletproof engines.
Thanks for posting traincamera, it reminds me of an alco the way it takes time to wind up to idle speed when you start it. I never tire of these start up vids.
@signal44 yes they indeed have batteries and some use air starters but this engine uses the generater as the starter once the engine starts it returns to normal duty to provide current to the traction motors
Cooool! Thanks for sharing! I can see why after awhile the engineer gets attached to these big engines,they are just like a big baby! Coming to life LOL! Cant help but like em!
Do you at times make sure there's no water in the cylinders? I remember I had to do that on the old EMD F7s during my throttle jerker days with Santa Fe Railway. I still remember my steam days also. Awesome video. Don :-)
+GERALD COVEY Hey everyone, the greatest results union pacific railroad information that i've ever had was with the Elumpa Railroad Jobs Alchemist Site (just google it) definately the most helpful source that I have ever tried.
@bertxblitzkrieg some of the older ones do. I think i have a video starting one on the fly with a layshaft. ill see what i can do next time i come across one.
they use the diesel engine to run the generator to create electricity to send power to the traction motors so technically speaking a diesel electric locomotive is a hybrid in a way
I love trains and I want to know more about how they work is there like a Web page that covaers tge anatomy of a freight train or any videos on how they work
Cleanest -8 cab I ever saw. Currently, UP has the -8, -9, SD60, SD90MAC, and the older worn out SD70 models in "storage". I hope to never work on an SD90 again!
Interesting---I never knew that you started a locomotive from the outside. I thought it was done from inside the cab. So if it's raining or snowing and you have several units to turn on, then you've gotta be outside in the wet huh? Learned something new today.
In america this can actually happen. The only issue is that without a driver the train will stop by itself (the deads man break). Other than that they are supposed to take the reverser out and put it away.
Oh really thanks by the way your job is pretty cool... but everday I hear and see these amazing machines pass by the neighborhood and they make a lot of noise when they start up its like a clap of thunder almost. Is the engine in the locomotive that powerful that it makes a loud boom when ever they start ? Ps its csx freight
yes its a 7FDL GE 16cylinder engine it replaced the factory 16cylinder Mechanical injection engine, you can tell when he opened the start station, the older engine would have a layshaft and a governor inside, this one had a injector harness box to the left side of the carbody UP Machinist
Near the starter is a "layshaft" lever for the fuel injectors which can be operated manually to prevent the engine from stalling or "running away" until the governor oil pressure has been built up enough to take control.
What are the gauges to the left in the engine bay Air pressure and Oil pressure? sounds like this one takes a little longer to start then some of them in the videos you got on here. Thanks for sharing!
Well your somewhat right, but it does it to drain moisture from air system, so the "automatic drains" keep constantly popping-off. and reaching max pressure would be bad J1 safety would kick in, air comp comes on off via mag valve or governor via pilot line from Main res tank. Hate them GE's, their a piece of junk, I hate working on them, prefer EMD any day of the week. And yes layshaft would be right there over main gen drive connected to governor via shaft. also ur start button is backwards.
Any chance you could rev up a GE with the layshaft? Or do GE's even have layshaft levers..? I come from an all EMD road and have never had the opportunity to peek under the hood of a GE.
i've noticed in other start videos, they will open valves in the cylinders and rotate the engine a few times to get any condensation out, keep from hydro-locking. is this different somehow?
+PingasTheFourth LOL!!! 4-stroke engines are not as picky as 2-strokes when it comes to condensate in the cylinders when starting. But as tigermki pointed out, even 4-stroke engines should have the cylinder test cocks opened if they are cold and sat for a while and cranked over.
+PingasTheFourth Then it would seem that GE has failed to learn from the past like Cat did with their 3606 engine's unit injectors. Cat failed on early units to provide after shutdown fuel cooling of the injectors. And they started failing. EMD knew it way back. Not being able to rotate the engine to blow out the cylinders is just asking for troubles. FM, EMD, ALCO all knew it needed them back before GE built their own first engine.
***** Do these snapping sounds occur all the time? The reason I ask is because I've only heard them when the engine is idling. But maybe that's because when it's not idling, the noise of the engine masks the snapping noises. And does this happen on any kind of locomotive? Or only the older ones?
Not dubstep, brostep. That's what most Americans call "dubstep" these days. Real dubstep like Skream actually sounds quite nice. Very mellow and calming.
i love the timing of that air compressor engaging right when you shut the cab door. the start up can;t be complete without that!
I know i love the sound of it
It really AMAZES me how these things are able to work with all of that damned "clanging" and knocking. Sounds like they're falling apart, but that's just part of Diesel process. Then, all the plumbing fittings. With household plumbing, you mis-tighten a joint and water or gas goes all over the place. Yet, they get all these fittings to fit tightly together.
I’ve heard that the clanging and knocking are the fuel injectors
@@tankman_tv9332 Yeah, but even older Mercedes Diesel autos knocked pretty good. I have noticed modern Diesels - autos, trucks and cars far more quiet!
@@JungleYT these are pretty loud just because everything is so much bigger and lubrication isn’t always perfect plus there are no sound barriers on these engines. Nothing in the world quite like starting one
@@thetexorcist2235 *Still sounds like somebody shaking a can of marbles... When my car's gasoline engine got to that point - OVERHALL!!!*
Sounds like an Alco.!
Nice to hear the signature GE "whoop" from the air compressor spooling up at the very end. ^^
Patriot1776 BTW, that engine I'm guessing was on loan from UP to pay back HP-hour debt owed am I right? I wonder if loaned power has ever caused any operating difficulties in terms of speed, like loaned units having different or near incompatible gearing...
I have always wondered what that sound was. grew up by tracks in country...
+Patriot1776 The biggest problem with "foreign" engines on a line is reliability of operation. Usually, they don't get serviced as well until they get home.
+Topeka Kansas Electric driven compressor. Once the MR is at 140psi, the unloader valve empties the cylinders before the motor contactors open. This prevents an abrupt stop. It sounds funny and almost like whistling bottle rockets.
@@KC5CQW Ahh. Right! "It doesn't belong to us, so we're not spending our money to maintain what doesn't belong to us."
Ahhh. The beautiful GE Whoop! at 1:36
yep
***** Actually that is the air dryer getting moisture out of the air tanks
Aaron Hertzer aahhhh that was him closing the door behind him.... sorry to inform you of that
Its actually the air compressor turning on
Aaron Hertzer shbadgurbañi
This is one of my all time favorite loco startup videos. The sounds are pure bliss.
You should check indian wdp4d engine start
It's based on sm60
The "whoop" noise is the air compressor kicking on.
Steam: *takes hours to start up*
Diesel: pathetic
The locomotive knows how to drop a beat at the beginning of the video
Thought i was the only one that noticed
I fucking love the gurgling sound that the engine makes after it's started
Qubit 13 ikr
Sounds like glass bottles.
Amazing sound! Love the way these old Dash 8s sound when starting.
Beautiful locomotives those C40-8's... That engine remind me the precious C30-7's and the Super 7's from Ferromex. Greetings from Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, my friend!!
I'd say that the 7FDL-16 engine is the best sounding engine out there. Great video!
it is the compressed air "air dryers", also called "spitters" that are clearing themselves from condensation water. they are on the other units that are running already. Moisture in the airlines is a terrible thing, can cause "signal" or brake control failure. RR airbrake lines are "failsafe" air to release, ie if they lose air, the breaks apply
I can just imagine the smell. I love the smell of older diesel engines, tractors especially. They have such a unique smell to them
Agreed they all have there own smell from a John Deere to a cat to a case to an international and of course the two stroke Detroit Diesel and the 60 series Detroits. Pulled wrench on a lot of the Mechanic for over 37 years. And of course The Mack Diesel’s. The ones with the pollution BS makes you sick. America will never eliminate the internal combustion engines. It just can’t be done
@ new engines just smell… Foul. I’d even go as far as venturing to say that diesel motors from the 2000s don’t even smell as amazing as the eighties/70s diesels did. I don’t know if we had the Detroit diesel two-stroke in the UK, but I’m guessing many of them are still going as I’m guessing their bulletproof engines.
I love the sound of those huge disel engines!
Standard cab? Nice!
Awesome! I love the sound the engine makes after you are done priming!
Thanks for posting traincamera, it reminds me of an alco the way it takes time to wind up to idle speed when you start it. I never tire of these start up vids.
@signal44 yes they indeed have batteries and some use air starters but this engine uses the generater as the starter once the engine starts it returns to normal duty to provide current to the traction motors
I like the sound of that clink as it's starting.
It reminds me of an ALCO
Then you'll LOVE hearing the audio of a large marine diesel starting ... holy valvegear, batman!
/watch?v=3WkbOuahBnk
Reminds me of someone getting whipped.
Sounds like an MRI.
@tp8642 that is the air compressor which compresses air for things such as the brakes and the horn
Cooool! Thanks for sharing! I can see why after awhile the engineer gets attached to these big engines,they are just like a big baby! Coming to life LOL! Cant help but like em!
When you start a locomotive, does that automatically start all attached locomotives, or do they all have to be started one-by-one?
Trainfan1055 If the locomotives are equipped to do so, yes. A lot of newer locomotives have hot-start and auto-startup equipment.
thats only if they are already set up to run.
What do you mean by that? I'm pretty sure all locomotives in service are set up to run.
Amtrak In O Scale dude... the knob has to be set to run
As an engineer of 17 plus years the answer is I would need to pre select them in auto run mode with the first engine I start
Somebodies making popcorn.
s Luce ha ha very funny
Ha Ha!
LOL
ROFL XD
That smell of butter.
Do you at times make sure there's no water in the cylinders? I remember I had to do that on the old EMD F7s during my throttle jerker days with Santa Fe Railway. I still remember my steam days also. Awesome video.
Don :-)
I absolutely adore videos like these.
It sounds like a bunch of glass bottles banging together. Nice video.
I would have liked a narrative to tell us what we were looking at.
+GERALD COVEY Hey everyone, the greatest results union pacific railroad information that i've ever had was with the Elumpa Railroad Jobs Alchemist Site (just google it) definately the most helpful source that I have ever tried.
isnt it obvious? its a bagel.
Thanks for a very informative video. I've always been curious about the start up process.
@bertxblitzkrieg some of the older ones do. I think i have a video starting one on the fly with a layshaft. ill see what i can do next time i come across one.
they use the diesel engine to run the generator to create electricity to send power to the traction motors so technically speaking a diesel electric locomotive is a hybrid in a way
HEY. That popping at the start of the video is a sound effect of some of the locomotives in Trainz!
I love trains and I want to know more about how they work is there like a Web page that covaers tge anatomy of a freight train or any videos on how they work
Try this.
ua-cam.com/video/vOYaPuDofy4/v-deo.html
Besides alcos. These always sounded the best!
Great video and sounds! What's the clicking sounds at the beginning before you start the engine?
If your talking about the ticking in the whole video its just a spirax valves doing its own thing
wow, in this video, I couldn't tell by sound if the engine was running on it's own or if the starter was still turning it
Wow, is that a standard cab? Rare to see a UP C40-8 outside of a dead line in a yard these days...
Cleanest -8 cab I ever saw. Currently, UP has the -8, -9, SD60, SD90MAC, and the older worn out SD70 models in "storage". I hope to never work on an SD90 again!
One school bus had a system to refill its air ride and air brake system and the sound at 1:36 is heard at random times in the bus.
In Diesel Engines (which are all locomotives) Do not have spark plugs.It is just the air compression releasing.
I believe it's because modern GE engines are 4-stroke designs, and most (maybe all, not sure) EMD engines are two-stroke designs.
Interesting---I never knew that you started a locomotive from the outside. I thought it was done from inside the cab. So if it's raining or snowing and you have several units to turn on, then you've gotta be outside in the wet huh? Learned something new today.
Finally. I always wondered how long it takes to prime it before you can crank it.
LOL That loco also makes our UK ones look like the nissan micra of trains!!
it is the spitting valve on the air tanks to get rid of moisture
for one, NS runs through chicago, 2. Other railroads will lease the locomotives from other companies.
I believe those “tss” sounds were used in Trainz oddly enough!
1:05 the GE clunk
*maniacal laughter
“IT’S ALIIIIVE!!”
I miss new videos on this awesome channel 😢
I love the whooping compressor at 1:36 ha
now thats what you call an engine
Will this fit in my honda
Very Nice Start up sound!!
Oh my God I love the sound of that startup sounds better than Godzilla
In america this can actually happen. The only issue is that without a driver the train will stop by itself (the deads man break). Other than that they are supposed to take the reverser out and put it away.
The -8's that haven't been retrofitted with EUI do.
Wow. Dash 8's are slowly in the process of becoming retired on UP's roster!
I love the cab of an Dash 8.
The first 20 seconds sounds like a pressure cooker in the kitchen on the stove
David Fowler Jr it’s because it’s GE lol 😂
that big ass battery and ignition, makes me want to be whatever he is.
Oh really thanks by the way your job is pretty cool... but everday I hear and see these amazing machines pass by the neighborhood and they make a lot of noise when they start up its like a clap of thunder almost.
Is the engine in the locomotive that powerful that it makes a loud boom when ever they start ? Ps its csx freight
thanks , lots of info over there ,,,,, will take a minute to look through....again....thanks!!
At 0:26 is that the fuel going in?
Fuel primer, getting all the air out of the lines
Cool Thanks :)
@@man_on_wheelz I thought it was an oil pressure primer
Sad that most c40-8w and standard cabs are on the scrap torch dinner plate
Does the prime mover have electronic fuel injection?
yes its a 7FDL GE 16cylinder engine it replaced the factory 16cylinder Mechanical injection engine, you can tell when he opened the start station, the older engine would have a layshaft and a governor inside, this one had a injector harness box to the left side of the carbody UP Machinist
dst28ims i love layshafts. best part of starting an engine is revving it with the layshaft.
+vslash27 until you push too much and blow a power assembly.
Nice!!!! I now REALLY want to drive/run a train!!!
We knew this miss the Dash 8
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@ 0:26 to 1:20 Time to wake up Union Pacific :)
it's fucking beautiful man.
on the Dash 9 you do the same thing except most of the controls are in the main cab
Nice and why you need to make fuel prime
Is there a reason the start switch is located in the engine bay and not the cab ? safety ?
Near the starter is a "layshaft" lever for the fuel injectors which can be operated manually to prevent the engine from stalling or "running away" until the governor oil pressure has been built up enough to take control.
+PingasTheFourth the -8 is not EFI, it is hydraulic with mechanical injectors.
Hi I'm in the process of making a UA-cam Video on the dash 8's. May I please use some of this footage?
Question: does an engineer always have a conductor assigned a job with them or do they sometimes go alone
Depending on the job I’ll run soooo loooow
If leaving the rail yard, yes
What are the gauges to the left in the engine bay Air pressure and Oil pressure? sounds like this one takes a little longer to start then some of them in the videos you got on here. Thanks for sharing!
Now that's a machine.
Well your somewhat right, but it does it to drain moisture from air system, so the "automatic drains" keep constantly popping-off. and reaching max pressure would be bad J1 safety would kick in, air comp comes on off via mag valve or governor via pilot line from Main res tank.
Hate them GE's, their a piece of junk, I hate working on them, prefer EMD any day of the week.
And yes layshaft would be right there over main gen drive connected to governor via shaft. also ur start button is backwards.
Very nice sound :)
I love it!!!!!!!!!
Awesome video!
looks like the cab of a SD60
Nope. Tried to from my subscriptions list and i couldn't. Also noticed alot of videos are missing.
It's channeling its inner Alco.
0:48 sounds like a bird chirping
Any chance you could rev up a GE with the layshaft? Or do GE's even have layshaft levers..? I come from an all EMD road and have never had the opportunity to peek under the hood of a GE.
I like the part when you aim the camera at the exaust, it's sounds like a semi.
tiene que haber una pre-carga de inyectores antes de encender?
Can you do a ac4400cw or a es44ac
I thought Dash 8 was an airplane build by De Havilland Canada?
Yea Dash 8 is built by Bombardier, the GE Dash 8 is the more successful version of the Dash 7
Next should be a P42DC if ya can. Nice job!
Florida Railfanning 812 A UP engineer can't just go fire up an Amtrak loco...
ironmatic 1 Well I didnt know he worked at UP.
ironmatic 1 hes a ns worker
when he turns the switch to the left he is priming the engine when you move the switch to the right that starts the engine
Glad I subscribed!!!!! Awsome videos!
i've noticed in other start videos, they will open valves in the cylinders and rotate the engine a few times to get any condensation out, keep from hydro-locking. is this different somehow?
stonedvideos1 That's usually only done when the engine hasn't been run for a period of time or was just rained on
+PingasTheFourth LOL!!! 4-stroke engines are not as picky as 2-strokes when it comes to condensate in the cylinders when starting. But as tigermki pointed out, even 4-stroke engines should have the cylinder test cocks opened if they are cold and sat for a while and cranked over.
+PingasTheFourth Then it would seem that GE has failed to learn from the past like Cat did with their 3606 engine's unit injectors. Cat failed on early units to provide after shutdown fuel cooling of the injectors. And they started failing. EMD knew it way back. Not being able to rotate the engine to blow out the cylinders is just asking for troubles. FM, EMD, ALCO all knew it needed them back before GE built their own first engine.
NICE ONE!! , love it
greetings from chile
is that what that sound is i have away wondered and asked but i keep getting different answer everytime
What is that popping/hissing sound through out the whole video? Never been able to find info on what it is.
air spitters they keep moisture out of the air tanks
What were those snapping sounds?
Air dryer getting rid of condensation in the air system.
Thanks. I have asked this question many times, and you are the first to answer.
***** Do these snapping sounds occur all the time? The reason I ask is because I've only heard them when the engine is idling. But maybe that's because when it's not idling, the noise of the engine masks the snapping noises. And does this happen on any kind of locomotive? Or only the older ones?
Phil Muller
I've only heard the snapping sounds on GE locos.
Phil Muller Idle and low speeds.
Didn't know UP had dash 8s.
love the sound it makes as the engine starts to fire up. Yep!
Great big Rollin railraod...
Not dubstep, brostep. That's what most Americans call "dubstep" these days. Real dubstep like Skream actually sounds quite nice. Very mellow and calming.