Please make a one arm pullup video yes ❤. There's a massive part that almost no other source covers at the moment and that's going from having the strength to do it to actually completing one
I really appreciate you guys putting out free information like this! You'd have to pay quite a bit of money going to your physio once for one issue, nevermind having a free library readily available with so much quality(and well sourced) information around such a diverse set of subjects. You guys deserve so much more love and I hope it comes your way❤
@@HoopersBeta ditto to this👆 and also, either there's actually a broscience subreddit or you took the time to make a fake page for that scene and it made me laugh my ass off.... Very dedicated for the cause, it was literally only up for a half second but i paused just in time, hilarious
your videos on finger injury and how to fix it has really helped me these past 3 weeks. still recovering, but i can climb again with some taped fingers. not pushing it and being safe, but also working on rehabilitating it. dig this episode as well!
I'd love to know about the differences between arched back vs straight/hollow body pull ups. Door frame pullup bars are too low for my to do straight body pull ups.
@@TheBonboni11 tucking knees feels awkward and Lsit targets abs a lot more, I cant find a lot of info about what is targeted differently for straight vs arched back. The stuff i have seen has been conflicting.
“You’ll know more about pull-ups than any of your friends.” You didn’t win… I have no friends. But, I did learn quite a bit about pull-ups and what’s going on biomechanically. Very helpful video. Of course, “Magnus Mitbro” was the icing on the cake.
Dropping a comment for the algo. I usually never comment, but your videos really help to better understand the mechanics of body movements, so thank you.
you're in the right place! watching their videos (especially all the shoulder-related ones) was how i got back to climbing shape after a shoulder dislocation injury! keep at it and hope you bounce back stronger!
Superb! I’m also a PT and a novice climber. Everything here makes sense! I started incorporating my regular gym work outs with climbing. This video helped me tremendously 👌🏼
Would love a one arm pull up video. I'd be really interested to know if it's actually an effective way of training for climbing or of they're more of a party trick. I found one arm pulldowns on a cable machine improved my climbing much more than one armers, presumably as it was easier to match the plane of motion of that of climbing.
I recently started strength training after 6 years of only climbing and immediatly got a golfers elbow. I am doing max pull ups and max hangs. At first I only felt the pain when doing the pull ups, now (after a month) I also feel it when climbing and even when straightening/stretching my arm. Thats why I'm conviced the injury was caused by the pull ups. I did an assesment before starting training and got an 2 RPM of +30 kg (150%) as result. So my following training was 6 sets, 3 reps with +20kg. In a Lattice video a physio said, that when the golfers elbow is caused by pull ups, its often because of the end of motion, but I don't know what that means practically for my training. Im wondering what I did wrong and if I should stop the pull ups completely, dont do the full range of motion (which i thought is important), reduce the intensity (I'd say I'm at 7/10 of effort) or just push through. And/Or should I train special muscles to not load that elbow too much to compensate weaknesses? Any advice? Thanks for the great content! :)
thankyou for both many lols and some really solid explaining (with visual references for the muscles!! thankyou, from a super visual learner). best quick crash course I've seen on pull ups :)
Great video! I think I'll start incorporating the reverse grip now that I know it's useful. I was surprised that there was no mention of pectoral activation in the wide grip, I certainly feel it there the day after training... it must just be a weakness of mine. Thanks for putting together another awesome resource!
Right? Definitely has some practical use! There's a chance you're rolling your shoulders forward / scaps into an anterior tilt in order to use the pecs more to compensate for some lower trap / mid back weakness. I'd re-investigate your form and perhaps record yourself. That's not to say there is no pec involvement in the wide grip, it's just to mention it may be a compensation.
@@HoopersBeta Thanks for the tip! I recorded myself doing wide grips and there's a prominent shoulder roll towards the top of my pull-up, especially in later reps/sets.
It would be very beneficial to have a one arm video, I know most people aren't stuck at the entire movement only different parts. So knowing what muscles are more active in the different ranges would help target accessory muscle training easier!
Great idea! You're right. That is certainly a challenge. I wonder if we did a poll what would be the hardest for the most people, bottom, middle, or top.. hmmm :)
Awesome! Lattice and Dave Mcleod also have some great training content on UA-cam. Of course if you really want to kickstart your learning, a good coach like Dan Beall (danbeall.climbingcoach@gmail.com) can work wonders. Best of luck!
what an amazing video! I understand you study and make videos about climbing in general, but I would love to see any type of leg workout, very in depth like this. Maybe I am misunderstanding the point of the channel but there are so little channels that goes so in-depth like you do. Thank you.
If your looking for generic workouts with this level of detail and analysis fitness faqs is a good channel with information from a PHYSIO/ strength coach with a more focus on calisthenics
On a serious note, I found that neutral grip gives me a crazy back pump. Depending how your body’s positioned you can reallly drive your elbows behind your back, much like with a row
4:57 An isolated exercise to really help with correcting this behaviour would be really appreciated. Any rubber band will help most at the bottom part of the pull-up, not the part where I'm actually having problems with form
True! Excellent point. A weight system would be better to provide assistance throughout the entire range :) Bands were just mentioned because they are much more accessible for most.
Hi, thanks again for a very informative video. One thing I often see overlooked and wonder whether there are any differences is the female vs male body. To me as a lay person, it seems that all the examples are illustrated on male body but as far as I know there are differences in terms of upper body muscles etc. So perhaps it would be informative to address those and see what can be done about them ? Because it’s a nice advice for me to just start with the simple pull ups before moving on, but as far as I know that’s much harder for example for my gf or other girls.
Make and female muscles are the same in terms of function, insertion points and practical training. The difference is males usually naturally have more muscle mass on their upper body Edit: so the reason it’s harder for your gf is she probably starting with lower muscle so she needs easier progressions
I noticed it is hard to keep traps retracted and shoulders down while trying to do overhand pull ups. It just feel natural to let your body adjust itself when performing the movement.
Could you at some point cover pull ups where your palms are facing in (using the bits that stick out on an at-home pull up bar)? For some reason they're the only ones I have been successful at and I am curious how the muscle groups differ from those you showed here.
Great job! There is always controversy surrounding pull ups behind the neck. It looks like the neck is in a bad position. But most people look up when doing a front pull up. And that doesn't seem to bother anyone. Is it bad to do pull-ups behind your head from an anatomy standpoint?
Correct. "looking up" or spinal extension is better in the ending position whereas the pull ups behind the neck, force your neck forward into flexion, which may increase flexion of the thoracic spine as well which changes your ability to engage the scapula in meaningful ways that would be beneficial to climbing strength (and general health of the shoulder).
Would love to associate these types with climbing styles a bit more. Going dynamic and lacking that oophf? Maybe some regular pull ups- [training schedule here].
Varying your pull up grips makes a lot of sense, even reverse grip. No two climbs are alike and you may need strength with you hand And body at every possible angle. If every route was just a big campus board then maybe there would be no need for grip variation but thankfully that’s not the case. Plus, if you struggle with pull-ups neutral grip or reverse grip may be a good way to work up to standard grip.
Such clear explanations!! I had problem with right wrist. Not exactly the wrist but the muscle 10-20 cm below the wrist. Do you know why? Only in standard pull up and I had to reduce the numbers due to pain. But reverse grip pull up always worked like a charm no pain whatsoever(even if I took it right after normal pull up). Really looking forward to your response. Thanks
Is it true that wide grip pull-ups bias the lats more than standard grip? Mike Israetel says the opposite and that seems to make sense that the easier variation would be the one biasing the larger muscle.
that's so helpful and as always hats off to the quality of the content !!!! I'd love to have your take on chest to bar pull ups because i can't get myself to do them no matter how hard i pull XD
Really good video nice biomechanical break down. Any thoughts on if eccentrics or band assisted pull ups are preferential for progression for improving endurance with pull ups (beyond 8 rep sets)
Amazing video as usual. Will your store eventually offer hats? I'd be very interested in buying one, especially to help prevent concussing myself during a pull-up.
Awesome video you got me with the bet. Curious about how doing pull ups on rock rings / normal rings varies versus the stable bar? Any other muscles come into play (assuming doing same pull up style)?
Yeah! There's actually a study about pull ups on ledges vs a bar and how it changes activation. Maybe we should do a short on that :) The stable vs unstable causes a shift in attention from strength to stability. More muscles have to act to stabilize the shoulder with a suspension system vs a stable bar, but that also means less force can typically be used which means less strength training emphasis. So depends on goals :)
Yeah to be honest the movement was so foreign to me I couldn't even do it! Emile asked me to do it for the video and it was so strange I couldn't figure it out quickly enough so we moved on! haha :)
I’ve always been fit and athletic and throughout middle school, high school, US Army and my competition fighting days and I was always stronger with BTN pull-ups than the traditional pull-ups. I also feel lest wrist strain and more comfortable doing BTN pull-ups. I am 56 now and still fit at 5’ 8” and 160 lbs. I still am much stronger with BTN pull-ups. Honestly, I dread the thought of doing traditional pull-ups. I literally need to force myself to do traditional pull-ups in at least one of my workout sessions lol. Any trainers know why I am stronger doing BTNs rather than traditional pull-ups? Same with BTN barbell presses. I feel stronger doing those than traditional front barbell press.
Very clear, thanks! What about off set pull ups? I noticed I'm bad at keeping tension with my bottom arm on big deadpoint moves so I started doing them... But they're so hard I can barely get 2 reps in and my shoulders hurt like hell in the following days :p
Well since that's more of a dynamic movement it will have components of normal (pulling up), narrow (as you pull towards one side), and wide (as you pull towards that other side you go super wide on the other arm).
Arched vs straight depends on if you're referring to the lumbar spine or thoracic. You'll want some thoracic extension but you actually want to avoid excess extension in the lumbar spine because that can reduce some activity of your core
Interesting video. For those of us who were used to a get it done form and want to clean it up, would you recommend thinking about firing the muscles in sequence for each relevant pullups or r is that overthinking it?
I’d say that’s overthinking it unless you really want to focus on a specific muscle engagement. In my opinion it’s usually better to use a cue to help you accomplish the form you’re looking for without having to overthink things. For example, thinking “try to touch my chest to the bar” is useful if you’re trying to avoid doing the more rounded-shoulder / hollow-body style of pullup. -Emile
Well…we both win. Good reinforcements and as always trying pull up variations that best suit you? I suck at them, but can campus fairly well. All I do is wide. Wonder if push/pull has any relation? Meaning all I do wide push up, too. I’m stronger weighted chin-ups, too-weird. Good fun on a Monday. 🙏
Great video! But I'm surprised that you spent so little time on doing pullups on rings, and only with neutral grip. Since rings allow you the freedom to move your hands into different positions, is there any additional benefit to doing ring pullups with your hands in the wide grip and reverse grip positions, especially in terms of shoulder strength/stabilization? Thank you!
The studies we reviewed looked at pull ups on stable devices and as such it was more appropriate to repeat them in a similar fashion for this video :) But that was the main reason for choosing them there. Ring pull ups are of course wonderful for the purpose you mentioned, improving stabilization. There is a small caveat, though. Rocks / Holds don't move :) so while performing on rings is great for added shoulder stability, performing on an immobile pull up bar is also good due to the specificity towards climbing :)
Is shoulder impingement real? Or more specifically, if it is real, does it particularly matter? Thinking about the MRI studies suggesting very poor correlation between impingement-type tendinopathies and people’s actual experience of pain or impeded performance. Like is there good literature showing that impingement is more than a mechanistic hypothesis?
You can also have nerve impingement / pain / symptoms and EMG studies of that nerve may come back completely normal :) Imaging doesn't always give us a 100% answer. Great question though!
Please make a one arm pullup video yes ❤. There's a massive part that almost no other source covers at the moment and that's going from having the strength to do it to actually completing one
Definitely would be a fun one to make!
Using a pulley system to take weight off is the best way, IMO
Came here to comment this. Yeah
I would really like to learn how to do a one arm pull up correctly, I think doing them improperly may have given me back pain for a couple of months
One arm pullup video would be amazing. So far the geekclimber is pretty much the only reputable source on how the one arm pullup works
I really appreciate you guys putting out free information like this! You'd have to pay quite a bit of money going to your physio once for one issue, nevermind having a free library readily available with so much quality(and well sourced) information around such a diverse set of subjects. You guys deserve so much more love and I hope it comes your way❤
Thank you for the kind comment! It is much appreciated :) We are glad you're finding it useful.
@@HoopersBeta ditto to this👆 and also, either there's actually a broscience subreddit or you took the time to make a fake page for that scene and it made me laugh my ass off.... Very dedicated for the cause, it was literally only up for a half second but i paused just in time, hilarious
your videos on finger injury and how to fix it has really helped me these past 3 weeks. still recovering, but i can climb again with some taped fingers. not pushing it and being safe, but also working on rehabilitating it. dig this episode as well!
Awesome! Happy to hear that our vid has helped you. Thanks for the comment :)
Same here! Hoping to be climbing next Friday!
I'd love to know about the differences between arched back vs straight/hollow body pull ups. Door frame pullup bars are too low for my to do straight body pull ups.
I usually try to get my back straight by doing an L seat or tucking my knees
@@TheBonboni11 tucking knees feels awkward and Lsit targets abs a lot more, I cant find a lot of info about what is targeted differently for straight vs arched back. The stuff i have seen has been conflicting.
Arched back is more traps hollow is more lats and core
Arch usually uses more of the inner middle back straight targets the lats more
@@Limbaugh_ This. Question is, what's more needed for a climber (in non-steep territory).
Yes one arm pullup video please!
Also why my elbows really hate one arm pullups but heavy regular pullups (+70kg) dont seem to aggrevate them as much.
Thanks for the video)) As always: good quality content+ a bit of humour= perfection.
Hah thank you! Glad you enjoyed :)
“You’ll know more about pull-ups than any of your friends.” You didn’t win… I have no friends. But, I did learn quite a bit about pull-ups and what’s going on biomechanically. Very helpful video. Of course, “Magnus Mitbro” was the icing on the cake.
😂 you sure pulled a fast one on us! Having no friends is the real power move. Glad the video was helpful!
Dropping a comment for the algo.
I usually never comment, but your videos really help to better understand the mechanics of body movements, so thank you.
That's fantastic :) Thanks for the comment. Stoked to have the feedback!
You win! I am currently dealing with a shoulder injury and am finding your videos super helpful. Thanks!
Dang! Sorry to hear about the shoulder injury but stoked to hear that the videos are helpful!!
you're in the right place! watching their videos (especially all the shoulder-related ones) was how i got back to climbing shape after a shoulder dislocation injury! keep at it and hope you bounce back stronger!
of course not just watching, but actually following and doing all the work Xp best of luck in your recovery!
Another fine video. Informative and entertaining. And I know so much more about pull ups now than anyone who hasn't watched this vid.
Happy to hear that! :)
Superb! I’m also a PT and a novice climber. Everything here makes sense! I started incorporating my regular gym work outs with climbing. This video helped me tremendously 👌🏼
Hello and welcome! Glad you agreed! And hope you enjoy your journey into climbing :)
Would love a one arm pull up video. I'd be really interested to know if it's actually an effective way of training for climbing or of they're more of a party trick. I found one arm pulldowns on a cable machine improved my climbing much more than one armers, presumably as it was easier to match the plane of motion of that of climbing.
One minute into the first video I ever watched from your channel and I already liked and subscribed. Your content is amazing!
Awesome 👍 Thank you and welcome to the channel :)
I recently started strength training after 6 years of only climbing and immediatly got a golfers elbow. I am doing max pull ups and max hangs. At first I only felt the pain when doing the pull ups, now (after a month) I also feel it when climbing and even when straightening/stretching my arm. Thats why I'm conviced the injury was caused by the pull ups. I did an assesment before starting training and got an 2 RPM of +30 kg (150%) as result. So my following training was 6 sets, 3 reps with +20kg.
In a Lattice video a physio said, that when the golfers elbow is caused by pull ups, its often because of the end of motion, but I don't know what that means practically for my training. Im wondering what I did wrong and if I should stop the pull ups completely, dont do the full range of motion (which i thought is important), reduce the intensity (I'd say I'm at 7/10 of effort) or just push through. And/Or should I train special muscles to not load that elbow too much to compensate weaknesses? Any advice?
Thanks for the great content! :)
Would love a video on one arm pull-ups! Especially on when to do them, i.e. progression to get to them form normal pull-ups. 😄
I loved the engineers description! I always knew Calc 3 would be useful at some point
This is the only channel I actually have notifications turned on for, fire content as always!
Awesome!! That's really cool to hear :). Thanks for the support!
Thank you very much sirs. It is always humbling when ya'll shine a light on my broy-ness. TCSR.
Haha our please! 🙏
thankyou for both many lols and some really solid explaining (with visual references for the muscles!! thankyou, from a super visual learner). best quick crash course I've seen on pull ups :)
Awesome! We both appreciate the kind words and are happy that it helped you!
Great video! I think I'll start incorporating the reverse grip now that I know it's useful. I was surprised that there was no mention of pectoral activation in the wide grip, I certainly feel it there the day after training... it must just be a weakness of mine. Thanks for putting together another awesome resource!
Right? Definitely has some practical use!
There's a chance you're rolling your shoulders forward / scaps into an anterior tilt in order to use the pecs more to compensate for some lower trap / mid back weakness. I'd re-investigate your form and perhaps record yourself. That's not to say there is no pec involvement in the wide grip, it's just to mention it may be a compensation.
@@HoopersBeta Thanks for the tip! I recorded myself doing wide grips and there's a prominent shoulder roll towards the top of my pull-up, especially in later reps/sets.
You won! So here's my comment. I really loved the "sophisticated research" scene xD Off to the shop now anyway.
hah thank you! Glad you enjoyed it :)
It would be very beneficial to have a one arm video, I know most people aren't stuck at the entire movement only different parts. So knowing what muscles are more active in the different ranges would help target accessory muscle training easier!
Great idea! You're right. That is certainly a challenge. I wonder if we did a poll what would be the hardest for the most people, bottom, middle, or top.. hmmm :)
You won the bet, learnt a lot, will share it with my bros.
Nice! Thanks for being a good sport ;)
Love that I found this channel!
Yes one arm pull up video please! also this is a great video. I love the movement break down with muscle activation in each.
Great video. Thanks! The one arm pull-up video would be great.
archer pull-ups seem applicable to climbing for those moves where you’re leaning one way or another, locking off to get the next hold
Yes please on the 1 arm pullup video. 🙌
And thanks for the knowledge bomb! Quality first ✅
Thank you! It's a deal :)
Love the humor AND info; keep up the good work while having fun :)
The last part is very important :)
beautiful video, I'm self trained and am trying to find more about how I'm training, thank you
Awesome! Lattice and Dave Mcleod also have some great training content on UA-cam. Of course if you really want to kickstart your learning, a good coach like Dan Beall (danbeall.climbingcoach@gmail.com) can work wonders. Best of luck!
The shades complete this video. Thank you 🙏🙏
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Thanks for this video! Came at the perfect time.
I lost the bet but was worth it; I now know more about pullups than I ever thought I would! Great video as always, guys.
Awesome! That's the good kind of bet to lose ;) hah. Thanks for the comment!
what an amazing video! I understand you study and make videos about climbing in general, but I would love to see any type of leg workout, very in depth like this. Maybe I am misunderstanding the point of the channel but there are so little channels that goes so in-depth like you do.
Thank you.
Thanks for the idea! Yes, our focus is on rock climbing training and rehab but we love the feedback and new ideas!
If your looking for generic workouts with this level of detail and analysis fitness faqs is a good channel with information from a PHYSIO/ strength coach with a more focus on calisthenics
Excellent video, as usual. Thanks for the great content you produce!
Everything you make is amazing; more please!
How about every week? :)
I was just going over correct pull up form. This is great!
A lot of work and research put into a video. Thanks a lot!
Absolutely! Thank you for the comment!
On a serious note, I found that neutral grip gives me a crazy back pump. Depending how your body’s positioned you can reallly drive your elbows behind your back, much like with a row
Fair point! Glad you get some great work with it and can ... focus... on your form... hah
@@HoopersBeta cries in PT
4:57 An isolated exercise to really help with correcting this behaviour would be really appreciated. Any rubber band will help most at the bottom part of the pull-up, not the part where I'm actually having problems with form
True! Excellent point. A weight system would be better to provide assistance throughout the entire range :) Bands were just mentioned because they are much more accessible for most.
I see you aren't wrapping your thumb around the bar on the pull-ups, is this significant in the quality of the exercise? Thanks!
That grip just comes more naturally to me because I find myself in that position far more often with climbing.
Great entertain-educational video! Love it!
Such a good video as always.
Great video. Thank you so much for these!
Our pleasure!
Lots of info--you win the bet. But my question is, should I avoid pull-ups with an irritated medial epicondyle?
Hi, thanks again for a very informative video. One thing I often see overlooked and wonder whether there are any differences is the female vs male body. To me as a lay person, it seems that all the examples are illustrated on male body but as far as I know there are differences in terms of upper body muscles etc. So perhaps it would be informative to address those and see what can be done about them ? Because it’s a nice advice for me to just start with the simple pull ups before moving on, but as far as I know that’s much harder for example for my gf or other girls.
Make and female muscles are the same in terms of function, insertion points and practical training. The difference is males usually naturally have more muscle mass on their upper body
Edit: so the reason it’s harder for your gf is she probably starting with lower muscle so she needs easier progressions
I noticed it is hard to keep traps retracted and shoulders down while trying to do overhand pull ups. It just feel natural to let your body adjust itself when performing the movement.
Nice video, keep the good work!
Thank you!
Super freaky awesome!!! Science into climbing, what's better? ❤
Could you at some point cover pull ups where your palms are facing in (using the bits that stick out on an at-home pull up bar)? For some reason they're the only ones I have been successful at and I am curious how the muscle groups differ from those you showed here.
Would like to know more about close, neutural and wide grip chin up and the muscles that activates at this exercises. Thanks.
Great job! There is always controversy surrounding pull ups behind the neck. It looks like the neck is in a bad position. But most people look up when doing a front pull up. And that doesn't seem to bother anyone. Is it bad to do pull-ups behind your head from an anatomy standpoint?
Correct. "looking up" or spinal extension is better in the ending position whereas the pull ups behind the neck, force your neck forward into flexion, which may increase flexion of the thoracic spine as well which changes your ability to engage the scapula in meaningful ways that would be beneficial to climbing strength (and general health of the shoulder).
Would love to associate these types with climbing styles a bit more. Going dynamic and lacking that oophf? Maybe some regular pull ups- [training schedule here].
Beautiful work - interesting and funny!
Glad you enjoyed it!
nice vid men! gran trabajo!
Thank you!
Thank you for the awesome video ❤️
Thanks! Have a better idea of what muscles I need to strengthen to do better pull-ups
Nice! Happy to hear that
Varying your pull up grips makes a lot of sense, even reverse grip. No two climbs are alike and you may need strength with you hand And body at every possible angle. If every route was just a big campus board then maybe there would be no need for grip variation but thankfully that’s not the case. Plus, if you struggle with pull-ups neutral grip or reverse grip may be a good way to work up to standard grip.
Hoped to hear your take on learning chest to bar when being able to do a few chin over bar. A lot of people struggle with it. Still great video!
Great idea! We’ll have to make a video about that
Such clear explanations!! I had problem with right wrist. Not exactly the wrist but the muscle 10-20 cm below the wrist. Do you know why? Only in standard pull up and I had to reduce the numbers due to pain. But reverse grip pull up always worked like a charm no pain whatsoever(even if I took it right after normal pull up). Really looking forward to your response. Thanks
Not sure with that information, sorry! :/
Explained very detailed 👍🏻
Great vid! Thanks Hooper!
Welcome!
thank you for the help and advice!!!
No problem!
Is it true that wide grip pull-ups bias the lats more than standard grip? Mike Israetel says the opposite and that seems to make sense that the easier variation would be the one biasing the larger muscle.
that's so helpful and as always hats off to the quality of the content !!!! I'd love to have your take on chest to bar pull ups because i can't get myself to do them no matter how hard i pull XD
Thanks for the comment! Yeah that's a good question as many do struggle with that, we will work on a vid!
Thankful as always for this great and free content. Here is the earned comment guys. Keep growing our climbing knowledges (also our biceps) 😋
Haha thank you! And happy to 😎👍
That "Magnus Mitbros" was so smooth 😅
Really good video nice biomechanical break down. Any thoughts on if eccentrics or band assisted pull ups are preferential for progression for improving endurance with pull ups (beyond 8 rep sets)
As always absolutely amazing content!
Thank you!
Amazing video as usual. Will your store eventually offer hats? I'd be very interested in buying one, especially to help prevent concussing myself during a pull-up.
😅😅 you got me good there lol. That's a great idea though!
love this channel
I suffered from golfer's elbow for a couple of years and the safest pull up variation to prevent it from happening again is neutral grip pull ups.
Awesome video you got me with the bet. Curious about how doing pull ups on rock rings / normal rings varies versus the stable bar? Any other muscles come into play (assuming doing same pull up style)?
Yeah! There's actually a study about pull ups on ledges vs a bar and how it changes activation. Maybe we should do a short on that :)
The stable vs unstable causes a shift in attention from strength to stability. More muscles have to act to stabilize the shoulder with a suspension system vs a stable bar, but that also means less force can typically be used which means less strength training emphasis. So depends on goals :)
Great video! I'll use it to help analyze my own form. As an aside I only very recently learned about Crossfit "pull ups", that sh*t is weird for real.
Yeah to be honest the movement was so foreign to me I couldn't even do it! Emile asked me to do it for the video and it was so strange I couldn't figure it out quickly enough so we moved on! haha :)
Nice Breakdown!
Glad you liked it!
another fantastic piece of content 👏
Thank you!
great as always!
This mans said "to avoid going straight up into the bar and concussing ourselves..." Hooper's got some crazy velocity on those pullups!
Maybe I'm just a little soft in the head :P
I’ve always been fit and athletic and throughout middle school, high school, US Army and my competition fighting days and I was always stronger with BTN pull-ups than the traditional pull-ups. I also feel lest wrist strain and more comfortable doing BTN pull-ups.
I am 56 now and still fit at 5’ 8” and 160 lbs. I still am much stronger with BTN pull-ups. Honestly, I dread the thought of doing traditional pull-ups. I literally need to force myself to do traditional pull-ups in at least one of my workout sessions lol.
Any trainers know why I am stronger doing BTNs rather than traditional pull-ups? Same with BTN barbell presses. I feel stronger doing those than traditional front barbell press.
Very clear, thanks! What about off set pull ups? I noticed I'm bad at keeping tension with my bottom arm on big deadpoint moves so I started doing them... But they're so hard I can barely get 2 reps in and my shoulders hurt like hell in the following days :p
thanks buddy!!
🙏
This is great thanks!!
Great knowledge! Is there anything particularly different engaged in archer pull-ups?
Well since that's more of a dynamic movement it will have components of normal (pulling up), narrow (as you pull towards one side), and wide (as you pull towards that other side you go super wide on the other arm).
What about arched back versus straight back ? And what about thumb over bar? What about grip? Shall it be only fingers?
Arched vs straight depends on if you're referring to the lumbar spine or thoracic. You'll want some thoracic extension but you actually want to avoid excess extension in the lumbar spine because that can reduce some activity of your core
Interesting video.
For those of us who were used to a get it done form and want to clean it up, would you recommend thinking about firing the muscles in sequence for each relevant pullups or r is that overthinking it?
I’d say that’s overthinking it unless you really want to focus on a specific muscle engagement. In my opinion it’s usually better to use a cue to help you accomplish the form you’re looking for without having to overthink things. For example, thinking “try to touch my chest to the bar” is useful if you’re trying to avoid doing the more rounded-shoulder / hollow-body style of pullup.
-Emile
@@HoopersBeta Good to know. Any other good cues while you're here?
Thank you for this!
Very nice video!
Super helpful. Thank you
Glad it was helpful!
Great video! Funny and informative😁
Awesome! Thank you :)
Great video as always :-D
another good one
Glad you enjoyed it!
Explain it a different way? My dude, the aerospace engineering explanation was mind-blowingly amazing!
Well…we both win. Good reinforcements and as always trying pull up variations that best suit you? I suck at them, but can campus fairly well. All I do is wide. Wonder if push/pull has any relation? Meaning all I do wide push up, too. I’m stronger weighted chin-ups, too-weird. Good fun on a Monday. 🙏
Thanks for the content!
Our pleasure!
Really helpful and interesting. I did'nt know that pricep is engaged in pull ups.
Always neat to learn new biomechanics, right?
Is there any benefit to climbers with doing thumb over vs thumb under pull ups?
Dr Hooper killing the game! This would have been helpful in MSK2 😂. Great video
Haha that's fair! 😎🤙
Great video! But I'm surprised that you spent so little time on doing pullups on rings, and only with neutral grip. Since rings allow you the freedom to move your hands into different positions, is there any additional benefit to doing ring pullups with your hands in the wide grip and reverse grip positions, especially in terms of shoulder strength/stabilization? Thank you!
The studies we reviewed looked at pull ups on stable devices and as such it was more appropriate to repeat them in a similar fashion for this video :) But that was the main reason for choosing them there. Ring pull ups are of course wonderful for the purpose you mentioned, improving stabilization. There is a small caveat, though. Rocks / Holds don't move :) so while performing on rings is great for added shoulder stability, performing on an immobile pull up bar is also good due to the specificity towards climbing :)
great video!
Is shoulder impingement real? Or more specifically, if it is real, does it particularly matter? Thinking about the MRI studies suggesting very poor correlation between impingement-type tendinopathies and people’s actual experience of pain or impeded performance.
Like is there good literature showing that impingement is more than a mechanistic hypothesis?
You can also have nerve impingement / pain / symptoms and EMG studies of that nerve may come back completely normal :) Imaging doesn't always give us a 100% answer. Great question though!