@@indiathylane2158 is that you again Indy ? Geeze you must just live to nitpick and raise silly points to further your lame arguments... I'm surprised you didn't say that governments closing National Parks during covid saved lives 🤪
@@garyjones5406 Little tip, the first name you read in a reply tells you who it is. Try to struggle on from there. You said the government has no right. If they didn't make closures, morons like you would need rescuing from a flooded road or a dozen firies would risk their lives to save your pointless one.
Once upon a time, majority rule was pretty much the way things worked worldwide. Now, in most “civilized” countries, majority rule has gone out the window and most governments are extra concerned about the feelings and sensitivities of the minorities. It is almost like everyone needs to get permission from the indigenous people to exist anymore.
Irs about UN Agenda 2030 which most countries, including Australia signed onto in early 1990s without any consultation from Australians. They don't want anyone owning land via Torrens title. They want u s surveiled in 15min smart cities with geo fencing.
Bull shit we do not have access ? And there are more and more places like this and going to be like it ! Bardi country one arm point $17 each for whites to enter !👎🏾
Can’t we all just identify as Aboriginal , then we could all be proud Australians loving one another and our God given right to access Australia waving 🇦🇺‘s.
@@TegrityMaster what live a lie Sorry Australia 🇦🇺 has over 200 nationally and everyone needs to be recognised even indigenous Beside I'm a indigenous to this country I know no other born and breed here and no different to aboriginal people As none of them are original owners as all past as the others who landed here The one's now are just a different generation as I am Everyone wants to live as one it's only one group who doesn't and think their different to everyone else There is where the real issues are you have a minority trying to dictate to a majority of over 200 cultures That they are more important then anyone else No they are just enother culture as the other 200 cultures who manage to get along with each other The biggest issue's are the aboriginal people leadership who get all the financial benefits and ment to look after them are corrupt Just like the politicians who run the country But they demanded it to be given to this individual for indigenous people so they wouldn't get ripped off like the white man The ironic thing is their own are worse then the white man they complained about and now get less resources even though billions more money and land all tax except So no it's not that easy as all the other cultures are not giving up theirs and why they love Australia 🇦🇺 Because can retain their heritage and celebrate it but love and respect the country they live in as well feel part of
The mother-in-law of one of my aunts in New Zealand was an Australian Aboriginal; she had light skin, green eyes, red hair, and freckles. In forbidding this mountain to “non-Aboriginals”, how are they going to deal with all those who have full Aboriginal status but don’t “look” it? Demand identity papers?
They should. There are many phoney Aboriginals in Australia. Very few are full blloded. The majority are part European. If this women was as you described, that is obvious. These people should hire a legal team and sue their racist a*se's. This is just spite and revenge.
@@michaelnoble2432 What? She had legal Aborigine status and papers. Her husband (my aunt's husband's father) had met and married her in Australia, and brought her back to New Zealand with him. She became a NZ citizen, but didn't lose her Aborigine status in doing so, even though she stayed for the rest of her life in NZ. So not sure why she would have "faked" that status, as it gave her no advantages.
Of course, attempting to disconnect people from the country is one of the many strategies employed by dictatorships. Not only is this polarising, and stopping the many hikers who have deep respect for the archeology and history of the land, it will have exactly the reverse effect.
Agree completely. I've read that the hiking parties are partly comprised of aboriginal people from groups with competing claims to the area. If it was all whitefellas the police would have come down on them like a ton of bricks and they'd be called neo-nazis in the media if they were reported at all. The group that owns Mount Warning-for now-the Bundjalung, seems to be mentioned a fair bit in the media. The other groups and the people in them don't seem to ever be mentioned on NITV or anywhere else. It's as if the government has decided to favour one group over the others in the area. Things that make you go hmmm...
It's racist It's ridiculous. How many artefacts are there in Australia that could be used to make exclusions zones....countless. How many sacred ceremonies are there to justify exclusion zones....endless...
I don't know exactly when it changed, but when I was younger and living on the western plains it was known that the Aboriginal people would say that they belonged to the land and not that the land belonged to them. "Modern aboriginal's" appear to be following a cultural history that is being invented as they go along.
99.99% of hikers are at a minimum, respectful of nature, and others are rabid greenies. They care enough about the environment to leave nothing but footprints and take nothing but pictures. And they’re not going to take your spirit away either.
@@FunnyBunny-pd5xx No way it's lawful. I've read that the hiking parties are partly comprised of aboriginal people from groups with competing claims to the area. If it was all whitefellas the police would have come down on them like a ton of bricks and they'd be called neo-nazis in the media if they were reported at all. The group that owns Mount Warning-for now-the Bundjalung, seems to be mentioned a fair bit in the media. The other groups and the people in them don't seem to ever be mentioned on NITV or anywhere else. It's as if the government has decided to favour one group over the others in the area. Things that make you go hmmm...
@@Polleej Thank you for your comment. It seems to me, respective elected governments, from around the world, are deliberately taking their respective electorates DOWN......a road, we the people, do not wish to tread !
I grew up in The Tweed Valley. From primary school through into my 20’s I climbed Mount Warning many times. Not one time did I ever see any indigenous peoples climbing it. I never saw any indigenous people anywhere near it. Security guards don’t have any more authority than regular citizens and if they physically lay a hand on you can be charged, they are not police. No one group of people in this country has any more right over any other to climb and enjoy this beautiful iconic landmark . Next time I visit the Tweed, I’ll climb it.
Security guards have been granted authority, some to arrest, detain, question. A few to use pepper spray or guns. And we all know too many are poorly trained, poorly schooled in the laws pertaining to the current situation, and we know the job attracts the type who loved being an aggro nightclub bouncer before they were fired for excessive force. But do not assume they lack the power to bar your entry, question you, detain you or even arrest you. Ignore that reality at your peril.
Welcome to the beginning of apartheid in Australia. International law defines apartheid as inhuman acts committed for the purpose of one racial group establishing and maintaining systemic oppression and domination over another racial group.
Don't worry you will be able to walk it for a price no doubt in time. Monies going to you know who. Its okay for them to have a foot in both camps. And take our tax payers money. Block them from non indigenous tax dollars and see if they are okay with it.
We can clearly see what happens in Gaza when massive aid is given indiscriminately to the " poor and downtrodden" .....their elders get fat and their children starve . Same has been happening here for decades . Hundreds of Billions on Ab welfare spent with no comebacks and no need for fiscal responsibility.
Why not, if it works? Also, I've read that the hiking parties are partly comprised of aboriginal people from groups with competing claims to the area. If it was all whitefellas the police would have come down on them like a ton of bricks and they'd be called neo-nazis in the media if they were reported at all. Finally, the group that owns Mount Warning-for now-the Bundjalung, seems to be mentioned a fair bit in the media. The other groups and the people in them don't seem to ever be mentioned on NITV or anywhere else. It's as if the government has decided to favour one group over the others in the area. Things that make you go hmmm...
Good on sky for reporting this! The situation at mt warning has been absolutely ridiculous. Closing a mountain to all but Male indigenous people some 4 years ago under the instruction of a secretive consultative group (WCG) of unknown members and against the wishes of the true native title holders of which Sturt Davis (of the Ngarawkwal people) gave blessing to and participated in the climb in Australia Day. Good on those people include Sturt for showing up as true Aussies!
Hiked up Mt Warning years ago, absolutely loved it. Funny thing was that I didn’t know it existed until an Aboriginal friend of mine told me I should visit it while on holidays up there. He didn’t seem concerned about it at all.
I’m a proud white Australian man and I’m blacker than most of these leaches who claim to be aboriginal. I have walked this land barefoot with my people and hunted and cared for this land and helped built to what it is today. I have my people buried on this land. My family and my ancestors have given everything for our country. I will walk upon and enter any place in this country. No one will stop me. This country is for all Australians. 👍😎👊🇦🇺
I suppose it does raise the question of how many generations do you have to have been on this continent until you are determined to be indigenous? Over 236 years since colonisation and counting, we have non-aboriginal people who have been here for nearly 12 generations now
But I heard a Mount Warning elder lady, criticising this ruling, because they want visitors, it brings in money, for them. Labor Premiers are the problem. Notice Tasmania is the only Liberal State, and doesn't have green bits, applied.
This is ridiculous so when we visit ,me being a white one n my husband is Aboriginal he can hike up the mountain while i sit at the bottom .This is racist n here we go again division ,stop dividing .
There is no aboriginal heritage on Mount Warning, multiple surveys have proven that. Also, the local Aboriginals alone the Tweed Valley have state they have no heritage claim to Mount Warning. The NSW Government gave this area to an Aboriginal group from Grafton, who Federal Courts had already stated had no claim to the area and disallowed their claim.
The national parks closed a whole section with the best camping spots reserved for only Aboriginal people at Black Rocks campground what a bunch of shits 🤬
Why do they need separate camping grounds.When aboriginals were segregated they never stopped whining.Not that I am saying I like segregation,but when I was young I spent time in Bourke,western NSW.They had an outdoor picture theatre and aboriginals sat one side and whites on the other.This was because the aboriginals would come in from the camps and they never washed or brushed their teeth.Their smell was awful.No one would sit near them.
It's a wonderful climb up Mount Warning, achievable for all other than perhaps the last 30? meter final climb to the plateau on top. On a clear day a MAGNIFICANT breath taking view. Denying the citizens of Australia this wonderful and healthy natural experience, simply to appears a vocal woke minority with at best a very weak link (if any) spiritual connection to the place , is near criminal.
I have no idea how strong or weak the spiritual link is. Or even if the motive for the ban is to flex political muscle. But anyone forming an opinion based on what _Sky_ tells them is naive indeed.
@@indiathylane2158 So basically by your own admission you know absolutely nothing about the situation, but are prepare to be critical of others who may. I grew up in the area, lived there for 40 something years, have climbed the mountain numerous times. A suggestion to you, keep your mouth shut, your ears open, and you may just learn something. It is you who are closed minded and naive.
ALL "native title" should be revoked immediately and all such areas returned to THE AUSTRALIAN PUBLIC. This racial segregation is absolutely DISGUSTING.
It is on record that local elders want people to climb the mountain because it celebrates aboriginal culture. Those who want the closure are neither local nor aboriginal.
Kilimanjaro is the biggest volcano on earth 5800 meters the local don’t care if you climb all over it what makes this one so special you have to hire a guide to climb it
These activists have been given multiple apologies from multiple governments, both state and federal. Representative groups have received billions of dollars of reparations over the decades from both federal and state governments, people claiming to be from the Stolen Generation have been paid millions in reparations also. Aboriginal groups have received millions per year in royalties from corporations extracting resources from what they claim as their tribal land. There has been the Welcome to Country for every single mass event, be it school assemblies, visits by dignitaries, sporting days and everything inbetween. Schools teach about dreamtime legends and give a day or more for NAIDOC lessons among an already crowded curriculum. The Aboriginal flag flies alongside the Australian National flag while non-aboriginals are told this isn't our country and we stole it. And now, for quite some time, Aboroginal groups have been native titling anything they possibly can, banning entry or demanding payment for use of beaches, mountains and rivers, not to mention demanding the changing of dates of national holidays and declaring that they are at war with anyone who disagrees. So. Over. It. All. We now know Aboriginals were here before European settlement. We know there are places that ceremonies were held and so on, but maybe, just maybe, instead of banning people from those sites while complaining 'youse white fellas don't unnerstand' and demanding more money, housing and other 'stuff', how about opening those sites up, employing a local guide to give tours to teach what it was about and welcoming those who want to learn about and respectfully enjoy with you? Give to the community instead of take, educate instead of ban and whinge, and celebrate that there are people who want to know your culture more instead of gripe that no-one knows it. Unite, don't divide.
Its been running for long enough now time for the next Government to end the native title act. Enough is enough Australia is for all Australian's time to stop the grift.
I wonder what would happen if mt warning suffered from a bush fire? Who would be putting out the fire? Or would they just let it burn? Or is this why we seem to have a lot more bush fires? No non indigenous people allowed in to put the fire out?
Who are they to tell people that they cannot "identify" as aboriginals? And, if they can afford a police presence at the hiking site, they can use them to cite people that litter.
Wonder if i can claim every area for the white man where every aboriginal lives from emu plains all the way to milsons point if they can do it we all can
I was born on this land hence I consider myself indigenous to this land the colour of my skin is irrelevant. Ps I’m darker than most aboriginal people.
If non-indigenous can be banned from things that are "Aboriginal" then can we ban Aboriginal people that from things that were invented and made by us colonizers? I'm thinking Liquorland, Dan Murphys, BWS and KFC for a start.
As a family we used to holiday in the Grampains from late 60 to the 70s when it was under the Forestry commission. You could go anywhere, never saw an indigenous person. When the National Parks took over, suddenly they were there.
Show some respect! We know for a fact that uluru, and fraser island, were built by aboriginal people, who also invented the wheel, and bronze, but we should respect to paths that were cleared up to the summit of mt warning, by those same people, .Ir took a lot of work with those stone axes and pointy sticks to clear that path
Simple solution, identify as an Indigenous person. You can identify as being Indigenous without any proof so, problem solved. And if women are told they can't climb the mountain because of "Secret Men's Business" then apply the "I also identify as an Indigenous person" whilst adding the Trans Gender "I also Identify as a man and my pronouns are He/Him." Again, problem solved.
Endangered species the Yowie. Renowned for their delicious meat, furry hides that make good blankets and rugs and for their eggs, perfect for your next scrambled egg recipe or pavlova. Hunted almost to extinction, now existing in scattered populations around the country, the Mt Warning Yowie was desired most for its soft, wispy, sea-mist coast, the hair made exquisite jumpers and beanies, light, warm and eye catching.
I hiked Mt Warning with family/friends when I was young... I'd love to re do the trek now that I am older and catch some amazing photos from it's stunning summit... which.. sadly? Now.. apparently... despite me being born here and have not ever stepped a single foot off it...? I... am not allowed to. This country has completely lost the damn plot. People will get so so fed up with all this shite... that not only will it indeed divide us.. It will escalate into all out violent altercations from both sides.. and I will tell you right now : I feel not an ounce of sympathy/empathy to the indigenous folks who hold a grudge against the rest of us for the crimes of generations past. I leant about the stolen generation etc in high school. It was horrible.. brought me to tears... But... this? This is going to spark "White Rights." / "We are just as Australian too" movements that... unless the government.. off the back of what the MAJORITY of Australians stated in the refusal to pass the Voice... snaps out of this segregation crap and sets the MINORITY straight? There is going to be carnage.
A few years ago[30], an aborigine mate gifted me an a indig flag, so when I go camping, this will deter the fisheries from "Q" me for camping on the banks of the river, ..yes it did work, Bravo to my black fella mates.
I can understand that there are certain places which have long been held sacred & at which particular indigenous ceremonies are held but there should be room for compromise. Here's my Pommy perspective. In the UK there are certain areas which are closed at particular times of the year, either for hunting or due to military exercises. At the rest of the year they are accessible. Also, the Country Code guides one to treat the land with respect anyway. I'm not one to encourage lawbreaking but where a law is unjust...let me just refer you to The Mass Trespass of Kinder Scout which was a seminal moment in gaining rights for ramblers. 🇦🇺 🇬🇧 👍
I doubt VERY much that any Aboriginal person prior to the arrival of white settlers and roads and tracks being established was every able to ascend very far up Mt Warning. It is steep, covered in tropical dense rainforest with thorny vines growing everywhere making it impossible to move through other than the man made cleared walking track. Aboriginal people did not possess the machetes needed to make progress through such terrane. P.S. I have climbed it several times, even carried my then young daughter on my back to the top. Magnificent experience.
My Warning was once a beautiful bushwalk, before it was closed it turned into a weekend exercise track for Gold coast gyms, loud obnoxious idiots who didn't respect the space jabbering, on their phones etc..The native title act is BS, we have been paying for the previous travesties of the past why are we continuing to pay for these issues.
This is a massive problem all over Australia. I’m a licensed tourism operator in 6 states and it’s scary the amount of land that is being closed off to Australians every month. Please help us do something about it
By the look of that map most of the country is already under native title with no doubt more to come. The irony being of course that aboriginals traditionally did not own land, in fact how can any of us claim ownership to that provided for free by nature? This can only be happening to either divide the country or increase corporate profits, government only ever acts for that.
Since people own parks etc are they paying rates or what.who pays when they have fires and other problems caused by bad management,is it everyone or do they have insurance
In PNG, where I lived for 30 years, there were places where spirits were so people won't go because they were scared of them. When my colleague went through such a path with no harm they lost their fear. Or, sacred sites are associated with ceremonies, when was the last one on Mt Warning? Guess I have to look up the criteria or proof for such designations.
Plenty of native title in the mining areas, Im a driller and we used to put our well locations in fake spots because if we actually told them the location it always mysteriously ended up dead centre of some sacred site so they would turn up and say it was sacred where we put the survey peg then we would say is that it, then go and put the peg in the actual spot so we could actual hit the spot in the underground coal mine we drilled into
The government has no right to close off any public land to Australians of any colour .
What about flooded highways? Bush in the path of a fire? Sensitive native vegetation susceptible to disease from outside?
@@indiathylane2158 is that you again Indy ? Geeze you must just live to nitpick and raise silly points to further your lame arguments... I'm surprised you didn't say that governments closing National Parks during covid saved lives 🤪
@@garyjones5406 Little tip, the first name you read in a reply tells you who it is. Try to struggle on from there.
You said the government has no right. If they didn't make closures, morons like you would need rescuing from a flooded road or a dozen firies would risk their lives to save your pointless one.
@@garyjones5406the truth hurts u
@@JoshStewart-hx5wo yeah , I'm in pain ...reading peurile comments like yours.
Once upon a time, majority rule was pretty much the way things worked worldwide. Now, in most “civilized” countries, majority rule has gone out the window and most governments are extra concerned about the feelings and sensitivities of the minorities. It is almost like everyone needs to get permission from the indigenous people to exist anymore.
Irs about UN Agenda 2030 which most countries, including Australia signed onto in early 1990s without any consultation from Australians. They don't want anyone owning land via Torrens title. They want u s surveiled in 15min smart cities with geo fencing.
That's exactly what is happening
It's called communism, thanks jews
I'm indigenous to this planet, I will exist until God decides otherwise.
Once minorities are in the majority then perhaps majority rule will return. OK, call me a cynic.
Who pays for our National parks upkeep? Will they stop firefighters during bushfires or emergency services during floods?
Yes, Mount Warning frequently suffers floods. It was only 3, 4 years ago when the flag on her summit was washed away.
National parks works for us not the other way around. If we want access we just have to speak up. 😎👍🇦🇺👊
Bull shit we do not have access ? And there are more and more places like this and going to be like it ! Bardi country one arm point $17 each for whites to enter !👎🏾
We as public dont have to agree with it just take it back
Use it or lose it.
Totally agree 👍
Can’t we all just identify as Aboriginal , then we could all be proud Australians loving one another and our God given right to access Australia waving 🇦🇺‘s.
@@TegrityMaster what live a lie
Sorry Australia 🇦🇺 has over 200 nationally and everyone needs to be recognised even indigenous
Beside I'm a indigenous to this country I know no other born and breed here and no different to aboriginal people
As none of them are original owners as all past as the others who landed here
The one's now are just a different generation as I am
Everyone wants to live as one it's only one group who doesn't and think their different to everyone else
There is where the real issues are you have a minority trying to dictate to a majority of over 200 cultures
That they are more important then anyone else
No they are just enother culture as the other 200 cultures who manage to get along with each other
The biggest issue's are the aboriginal people leadership who get all the financial benefits and ment to look after them are corrupt
Just like the politicians who run the country
But they demanded it to be given to this individual for indigenous people so they wouldn't get ripped off like the white man
The ironic thing is their own are worse then the white man they complained about and now get less resources even though billions more money and land all tax except
So no it's not that easy as all the other cultures are not giving up theirs and why they love Australia 🇦🇺
Because can retain their heritage and celebrate it but love and respect the country they live in as well feel part of
Tired of all these NO GO Areas for White Australians.
Tick that box or stop crying
@@supraaa94rzwhat box?
@@stevej.6674The ballot paper.
@@bandohjfusion4885 i do. I always choose Pauline Hanson. She’d never allow this to happen. Problem is all the other brain dead ppl voting Labor!
@@stevej.6674 u racist
The mother-in-law of one of my aunts in New Zealand was an Australian Aboriginal; she had light skin, green eyes, red hair, and freckles. In forbidding this mountain to “non-Aboriginals”, how are they going to deal with all those who have full Aboriginal status but don’t “look” it? Demand identity papers?
women are banned too, only Aboriginal males are allowed
They should. There are many phoney Aboriginals in Australia. Very few are full blloded. The majority are part European. If this women was as you described, that is obvious. These people should hire a legal team and sue their racist a*se's. This is just spite and revenge.
She was an imposter / faker. There is no specified percentage of indigenous ancestry required to be legally considered indigenous.
Yes... you'll be met with " Your papers please ? "
@@michaelnoble2432 What? She had legal Aborigine status and papers. Her husband (my aunt's husband's father) had met and married her in Australia, and brought her back to New Zealand with him. She became a NZ citizen, but didn't lose her Aborigine status in doing so, even though she stayed for the rest of her life in NZ. So not sure why she would have "faked" that status, as it gave her no advantages.
Of course, attempting to disconnect people from the country is one of the many strategies employed by dictatorships.
Not only is this polarising, and stopping the many hikers who have deep respect for the archeology and history of the land, it will have exactly the reverse effect.
Agree completely.
I've read that the hiking parties are partly comprised of aboriginal people from groups with competing claims to the area.
If it was all whitefellas the police would have come down on them like a ton of bricks and they'd be called neo-nazis in the media if they were reported at all.
The group that owns Mount Warning-for now-the Bundjalung, seems to be mentioned a fair bit in the media. The other groups and the people in them don't seem to ever be mentioned on NITV or anywhere else. It's as if the government has decided to favour one group over the others in the area. Things that make you go hmmm...
Write a book about Emus, then identify as indigenous, then tell security' that, climb it and sue them for discrimination 🎯 or
racial profiling.
Make sure they are dark Emu's, pale ones not allowed.
I remember when segregation and apartheid were bad things.
Good on them, these mountains belong to ALL of us!
It's racist
It's ridiculous.
How many artefacts are there in Australia that could be used to make exclusions zones....countless.
How many sacred ceremonies are there to justify exclusion zones....endless...
Exactly
Orwellian. In the sense of the aphorism in 'Animal Farm' (paraphrased)
- All equal, but some more equal than others.
Thanks to albo for continuing this nonsense 😡
I don't know exactly when it changed, but when I was younger and living on the western plains it was known that the Aboriginal people would say that they belonged to the land and not that the land belonged to them. "Modern aboriginal's" appear to be following a cultural history that is being invented as they go along.
It’s crown land..belongs to the people 😢
Crown land belongs to the British royals. Managed by the states. Paid by our taxes.
Some people more than others
99.99% of hikers are at a minimum, respectful of nature, and others are rabid greenies. They care enough about the environment to leave nothing but footprints and take nothing but pictures. And they’re not going to take your spirit away either.
IMO
This is "Racial Discrimination"
Is this LAWFUL in Australia ?
@@FunnyBunny-pd5xx No way it's lawful.
I've read that the hiking parties are partly comprised of aboriginal people from groups with competing claims to the area.
If it was all whitefellas the police would have come down on them like a ton of bricks and they'd be called neo-nazis in the media if they were reported at all.
The group that owns Mount Warning-for now-the Bundjalung, seems to be mentioned a fair bit in the media. The other groups and the people in them don't seem to ever be mentioned on NITV or anywhere else. It's as if the government has decided to favour one group over the others in the area. Things that make you go hmmm...
@@Polleej
Thank you for your comment.
It seems to me, respective elected governments, from around the world, are deliberately taking
their respective electorates DOWN......a road, we the people, do not wish to tread !
@@Polleej
I am being SILENCED.
In the previous 10 days, 100+ of my comments have been deleted !
I am not alone !
@@Polleej
I replied with two comments.
The first has been deleted !
I grew up in The Tweed Valley. From primary school through into my 20’s I climbed Mount Warning many times. Not one time did I ever see any indigenous peoples climbing it. I never saw any indigenous people anywhere near it.
Security guards don’t have any more authority than regular citizens and if they physically lay a hand on you can be charged, they are not police.
No one group of people in this country has any more right over any other to climb and enjoy this beautiful iconic landmark .
Next time I visit the Tweed, I’ll climb it.
Security guards have been granted authority, some to arrest, detain, question. A few to use pepper spray or guns. And we all know too many are poorly trained, poorly schooled in the laws pertaining to the current situation, and we know the job attracts the type who loved being an aggro nightclub bouncer before they were fired for excessive force.
But do not assume they lack the power to bar your entry, question you, detain you or even arrest you. Ignore that reality at your peril.
Welcome to the beginning of apartheid in Australia.
International law defines apartheid as inhuman acts committed for the purpose of one racial group establishing and maintaining systemic oppression and domination over another racial group.
Don't worry you will be able to walk it for a price no doubt in time. Monies going to you know who. Its okay for them to have a foot in both camps. And take our tax payers money. Block them from non indigenous tax dollars and see if they are okay with it.
We can clearly see what happens in Gaza when massive aid is given indiscriminately to the " poor and downtrodden" .....their elders get fat and their children starve . Same has been happening here for decades . Hundreds of Billions on Ab welfare spent with no comebacks and no need for fiscal responsibility.
Fuxxin oath mate..you are soo right/
Pay taxes to preserve it and then again to walk on it … perfect
Climbers should claim they’re aboriginal
Why not, if it works? Also, I've read that the hiking parties are partly comprised of aboriginal people from groups with competing claims to the area.
If it was all whitefellas the police would have come down on them like a ton of bricks and they'd be called neo-nazis in the media if they were reported at all.
Finally, the group that owns Mount Warning-for now-the Bundjalung, seems to be mentioned a fair bit in the media. The other groups and the people in them don't seem to ever be mentioned on NITV or anywhere else. It's as if the government has decided to favour one group over the others in the area. Things that make you go hmmm...
They'd probably set up a DNA testing facility at the start of track.
Some of the climbers were, family of the traditional owners.
Good on sky for reporting this! The situation at mt warning has been absolutely ridiculous. Closing a mountain to all but Male indigenous people some 4 years ago under the instruction of a secretive consultative group (WCG) of unknown members and against the wishes of the true native title holders of which Sturt Davis (of the Ngarawkwal people) gave blessing to and participated in the climb in Australia Day. Good on those people include Sturt for showing up as true Aussies!
How about first nation people stay out of hospitals, schools, shops. This will never end and those taxpayers they hate pay for it all.
Hiked up Mt Warning years ago, absolutely loved it. Funny thing was that I didn’t know it existed until an Aboriginal friend of mine told me I should visit it while on holidays up there. He didn’t seem concerned about it at all.
I’m a proud white Australian man and I’m blacker than most of these leaches who claim to be aboriginal. I have walked this land barefoot with my people and hunted and cared for this land and helped built to what it is today. I have my people buried on this land. My family and my ancestors have given everything for our country. I will walk upon and enter any place in this country. No one will stop me. This country is for all Australians. 👍😎👊🇦🇺
It’s even worse than you think. According to the ATO, income derived from native title is untaxed.
Ofcourse it is
They're special
Anybody can walk thru a cemetery. Or a church. They’re also sacred places
I’ll climb it when ever I want 👍👍🇦🇺👍🇦🇺
Effin oath mate👍👍
Our anthem, " we are young and free". Scomo changed our anthem very quietly to " one and free" in 2021 without any consultation with Australians.
Is 200 years young?
@@Aaronwhatnow yes it is, considering Europe for example is 2000 yrs old plus
Free?... They just gaslight us
Thinking of Sky's usual fans, we could change it to "dumb and twee''.
Yes very young@@Aaronwhatnow
Disgraceful government's this country.
Here we go again. Free Free Mount Warning. From the Ridge to the Creek, we are all a bunch of Freaks. Free Free Mount Warning.
And they wonder why more and more of us always holiday abroad now-asia, europe, wherever.
Fraser Island will be next. They’ve changed the name and next it’ll be locked up
I suppose it does raise the question of how many generations do you have to have been on this continent until you are determined to be indigenous? Over 236 years since colonisation and counting, we have non-aboriginal people who have been here for nearly 12 generations now
The aborigines don’t own Australia. Mother Nature built Ayers Rick, Mt Warning, all the rivers etc etc
Well that makes welcome to country ceremonies disingenuous and therefore irrelevant and unnecessary!
But I heard a Mount Warning elder lady, criticising this ruling, because they want visitors, it brings in money, for them. Labor Premiers are the problem. Notice Tasmania is the only Liberal State, and doesn't have green bits, applied.
thats because every single aboriginal on Tasmania was killed you ignoramus
“We are one and free”. What a joke, not anymore!
This is ridiculous so when we visit ,me being a white one n my husband is Aboriginal he can hike up the mountain while i sit at the bottom .This is racist n here we go again division ,stop dividing .
There is no aboriginal heritage on Mount Warning, multiple surveys have proven that. Also, the local Aboriginals alone the Tweed Valley have state they have no heritage claim to Mount Warning. The NSW Government gave this area to an Aboriginal group from Grafton, who Federal Courts had already stated had no claim to the area and disallowed their claim.
This kind of stuff is a form of injustice and violence and shouldn’t be allowed to continue to go on.
The national parks closed a whole section with the best camping spots reserved for only Aboriginal people at Black Rocks campground what a bunch of shits 🤬
Why do they need separate camping grounds.When aboriginals were segregated they never stopped whining.Not that I am saying I like segregation,but when I was young I spent time in Bourke,western NSW.They had an outdoor picture theatre and aboriginals sat one side and whites on the other.This was because the aboriginals would come in from the camps and they never washed or brushed their teeth.Their smell was awful.No one would sit near them.
There must be a kfc or centrelink up there😅😅
It's a wonderful climb up Mount Warning, achievable for all other than perhaps the last 30? meter final climb to the plateau on top. On a clear day a MAGNIFICANT breath taking view. Denying the citizens of Australia this wonderful and healthy natural experience, simply to appears a vocal woke minority with at best a very weak link (if any) spiritual connection to the place , is near criminal.
I have no idea how strong or weak the spiritual link is. Or even if the motive for the ban is to flex political muscle. But anyone forming an opinion based on what _Sky_ tells them is naive indeed.
@@indiathylane2158 So basically by your own admission you know absolutely nothing about the situation, but are prepare to be critical of others who may. I grew up in the area, lived there for 40 something years, have climbed the mountain numerous times.
A suggestion to you, keep your mouth shut, your ears open, and you may just learn something. It is you who are closed minded and naive.
Slept up there at the summit one night and nearly froze. Had hiked to the top many times before back in the 70's. Before this ban.
Slept up there as well 😊feel very blessed….. many many climbs a beautiful place 🙏🙏❤️🧚♀️
this is why we need A Government to stabilize Australia That is One Nation Party
I'd just go to the mountain and tell anyone who asks, 'I identify as indigenous'. And if they say anything, scream racism.
ALL "native title" should be revoked immediately and all such areas returned to THE AUSTRALIAN PUBLIC. This racial segregation is absolutely DISGUSTING.
How many generations until we're considered a native?
Should pay for land like everyone but not with public money.
It is on record that local elders want people to climb the mountain because it celebrates aboriginal culture.
Those who want the closure are neither local nor aboriginal.
Kilimanjaro is the biggest volcano on earth 5800 meters the local don’t care if you climb all over it what makes this one so special you have to hire a guide to climb it
Official racism.
These activists have been given multiple apologies from multiple governments, both state and federal.
Representative groups have received billions of dollars of reparations over the decades from both federal and state governments, people claiming to be from the Stolen Generation have been paid millions in reparations also.
Aboriginal groups have received millions per year in royalties from corporations extracting resources from what they claim as their tribal land.
There has been the Welcome to Country for every single mass event, be it school assemblies, visits by dignitaries, sporting days and everything inbetween.
Schools teach about dreamtime legends and give a day or more for NAIDOC lessons among an already crowded curriculum.
The Aboriginal flag flies alongside the Australian National flag while non-aboriginals are told this isn't our country and we stole it.
And now, for quite some time, Aboroginal groups have been native titling anything they possibly can, banning entry or demanding payment for use of beaches, mountains and rivers, not to mention demanding the changing of dates of national holidays and declaring that they are at war with anyone who disagrees.
So. Over. It. All.
We now know Aboriginals were here before European settlement. We know there are places that ceremonies were held and so on, but maybe, just maybe, instead of banning people from those sites while complaining 'youse white fellas don't unnerstand' and demanding more money, housing and other 'stuff', how about opening those sites up, employing a local guide to give tours to teach what it was about and welcoming those who want to learn about and respectfully enjoy with you?
Give to the community instead of take, educate instead of ban and whinge, and celebrate that there are people who want to know your culture more instead of gripe that no-one knows it. Unite, don't divide.
Its been running for long enough now time for the next Government to end the native title act. Enough is enough Australia is for all Australian's time to stop the grift.
Is taxpayer money being used to maintain this mountain? Then either leave it open for all or have the natives to take over the maintenance
One of the only things Sky, gets right. We, the Australian people, all of us have a right to clime mt Warning... it's not private property.
I wonder what would happen if mt warning suffered from a bush fire? Who would be putting out the fire? Or would they just let it burn? Or is this why we seem to have a lot more bush fires? No non indigenous people allowed in to put the fire out?
Who are they to tell people that they cannot "identify" as aboriginals?
And, if they can afford a police presence at the hiking site, they can use them to cite people that litter.
It’s a power play
Dam I just notice my tiny small town is in the shaded green area……
Simple, identify as an Aboriginal.
You can identify as anything nowadays anyway, not like it matters in most English countries 😂😂
No way am I trashing my heritage…I white red hair blue eyes Viking 😂😂😂we win😊
And if the police question you, clarify "Trans Aboriginal".
😂😂😂😂😂A niiiice these trans words just might work in some handy situations,...
@@malamute11 Not true, unless you have a left-wing agenda.
Wonder if i can claim every area for the white man where every aboriginal lives from emu plains all the way to milsons point if they can do it we all can
Sacred my Botox. Every tree they lean against, every bush they slept in is not sacred. And just watch. Enough money passes over palms it will reopen.
I was born on this land hence I consider myself indigenous to this land the colour of my skin is irrelevant.
Ps I’m darker than most aboriginal people.
If non-indigenous can be banned from things that are "Aboriginal" then can we ban Aboriginal people that from things that were invented and made by us colonizers? I'm thinking Liquorland, Dan Murphys, BWS and KFC for a start.
YES I LOVE YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS...two can play this game.
Australia is no longer the free country .So sad .....why would anyone want to come live here now... 🤨
As a family we used to holiday in the Grampains from late 60 to the 70s when it was under the Forestry commission. You could go anywhere, never saw an indigenous person. When the National Parks took over, suddenly they were there.
this is not going to end
Show some respect! We know for a fact that uluru, and fraser island, were built by aboriginal people, who also invented the wheel, and bronze, but we should respect to paths that were cleared up to the summit of mt warning, by those same people, .Ir took a lot of work with those stone axes and pointy sticks to clear that path
Simple solution, identify as an Indigenous person. You can identify as being Indigenous without any proof so, problem solved. And if women are told they can't climb the mountain because of "Secret Men's Business" then apply the "I also identify as an Indigenous person" whilst adding the Trans Gender "I also Identify as a man and my pronouns are He/Him." Again, problem solved.
It’s to safeguard the Yowies.
😅
Endangered species the Yowie. Renowned for their delicious meat, furry hides that make good blankets and rugs and for their eggs, perfect for your next scrambled egg recipe or pavlova. Hunted almost to extinction, now existing in scattered populations around the country, the Mt Warning Yowie was desired most for its soft, wispy, sea-mist coast, the hair made exquisite jumpers and beanies, light, warm and eye catching.
Im glad I climbed it with my children years ago. Now we are facing a sort of reverse racism. This is ridiculous!
I hiked Mt Warning with family/friends when I was young... I'd love to re do the trek now that I am older and catch some amazing photos from it's stunning summit... which.. sadly? Now.. apparently... despite me being born here and have not ever stepped a single foot off it...? I... am not allowed to. This country has completely lost the damn plot. People will get so so fed up with all this shite... that not only will it indeed divide us.. It will escalate into all out violent altercations from both sides.. and I will tell you right now : I feel not an ounce of sympathy/empathy to the indigenous folks who hold a grudge against the rest of us for the crimes of generations past. I leant about the stolen generation etc in high school. It was horrible.. brought me to tears... But... this? This is going to spark "White Rights." / "We are just as Australian too" movements that... unless the government.. off the back of what the MAJORITY of Australians stated in the refusal to pass the Voice... snaps out of this segregation crap and sets the MINORITY straight? There is going to be carnage.
A few years ago[30], an aborigine mate gifted me an a indig flag, so when I go camping, this will deter the fisheries from "Q" me for camping on the banks of the river, ..yes it did work, Bravo to my black fella mates.
lets have a vote on this
It’s a form of Apartheid.
Egg Rock in Numinbah Valley is also restricted non-indigenous.
Well maybe they are scared that people found aren’t skeletons of the real first nation people that are berried there .
Give us back Ayers rock as well!
Some cathedrals do allow you to climb them, St.Pauls in London for one example. It doesn't show disrespect for that religion.
I can understand that there are certain places which have long been held sacred & at which particular indigenous ceremonies are held but there should be room for compromise. Here's my Pommy perspective. In the UK there are certain areas which are closed at particular times of the year, either for hunting or due to military exercises. At the rest of the year they are accessible. Also, the Country Code guides one to treat the land with respect anyway.
I'm not one to encourage lawbreaking but where a law is unjust...let me just refer you to The Mass Trespass of Kinder Scout which was a seminal moment in gaining rights for ramblers. 🇦🇺 🇬🇧 👍
I doubt VERY much that any Aboriginal person prior to the arrival of white settlers and roads and tracks being established was every able to ascend very far up Mt Warning. It is steep, covered in tropical dense rainforest with thorny vines growing everywhere making it impossible to move through other than the man made cleared walking track. Aboriginal people did not possess the machetes needed to make progress through such terrane.
P.S. I have climbed it several times, even carried my then young daughter on my back to the top. Magnificent experience.
My Warning was once a beautiful bushwalk, before it was closed it turned into a weekend exercise track for Gold coast gyms, loud obnoxious idiots who didn't respect the space jabbering, on their phones etc..The native title act is BS, we have been paying for the previous travesties of the past why are we continuing to pay for these issues.
You should look at what’s happening at White Cliffs in NSW
I’m a black fella just ask Bruce Pascoe
This is a massive problem all over Australia. I’m a licensed tourism operator in 6 states and it’s scary the amount of land that is being closed off to Australians every month. Please help us do something about it
By the look of that map most of the country is already under native title with no doubt more to come. The irony being of course that aboriginals traditionally did not own land, in fact how can any of us claim ownership to that provided for free by nature? This can only be happening to either divide the country or increase corporate profits, government only ever acts for that.
Who, of our indigenous population, is going to inhabit all this space?. It belongs to the nation which includes ALL OF US.....
What's worst is UNSECO wilderness which are inaccessible like south West Tasmania 20% of the state
Walked to the summit 8 times in my life to experience the first rays from the sun it was an amazing spiritual experience every time
Wonder how much the entry fee is going to be?
A Goon Bag
Any aboriginal guy with a brain cell left would open a food truck there and use the earned money to build up his community.
That would involve some work.
"It's not just about Uluru..." (01:54).
You mean AYERS ROCK. Stop pandering to a tiny minority.
NATIVE TITLE MUST END! THE ABC MUST END!
Since people own parks etc are they paying rates or what.who pays when they have fires and other problems caused by bad management,is it everyone or do they have insurance
Do the indiginous people pay rates and upkeep for all their claimed land titles.
Entitlement gone mad
In PNG, where I lived for 30 years, there were places where spirits were so people won't go because they were scared of them. When my colleague went through such a path with no harm they lost their fear.
Or, sacred sites are associated with ceremonies, when was the last one on Mt Warning?
Guess I have to look up the criteria or proof for such designations.
I'm not indigenous, but what about if I deem something 'sacred' to me? Who has the right to tell me what is sacred to me or not? Where are my rights?
Churches are open to everyone by the way. 'Come as you are' etc
Plenty of native title in the mining areas, Im a driller and we used to put our well locations in fake spots because if we actually told them the location it always mysteriously ended up dead centre of some sacred site so they would turn up and say it was sacred where we put the survey peg then we would say is that it, then go and put the peg in the actual spot so we could actual hit the spot in the underground coal mine we drilled into
"What you in for?"
I climbed a mountain.
Australians have to stick together and vote for change