EVERYTHING CULTURALLY RIGHT AND WRONG WITH MULAN 1998
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- Опубліковано 23 жов 2020
- YAMS?!
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11:00 So does "face" in this context basically mean good representation or good public image?
I almost want an animated update with all your notes. That would make a fortune. Disney won't, Star Wars proved their willingness to pass on big profit. Love that Necklace!!!
She didn’t choose the UA-camr life. The UA-camr life chose her
The UA-cam life
Poor girl
Bless her soul
@@Myusername499 Considering she got 164k subscribers off of 3 videos is *insane*
The hero we never knew we needed and don't deserve.
Legit 😂
The only reason Shang is not in Drag is because the animators knew he’d be too powerful if we saw him that way. They were protecting us.
I don't want to be protected. I want Drag Shang. I'm willing to face the consequences head-on.
@@coregano alright then,But'll youll Have to suffer the Consequences
My mouth would be drooling way more if i saw him in drag like damn mulan and shang are hooo AHWOOGA :’)))
AHAHAAAHHHHHH
@@coregano no thank you. This movie already fills me with so much bi panic I think I would explode if I saw drag Shang.
So, I realized something about Crickey. He’s meant to be lucky, yet he’s the whole reason Mulan messed up with the Matchmaker. But if you think about it, if Mulan had done well and been married, she would’ve been absolutely miserable. Because Crickey messed it up, she went into battle, won the war, and got real happiness. A *very* lucky bug.
The hair cutting scene is definitely something for western audiences, where it's generally seen to be feminine if you have long hair. I think you're absolutely right about accuracy vs heart though. It's obviously bad to be flagrantly wrong about the setting you're trying to appropriate for your story, but I'd rather someone put genuine care into a good story with mistakes than whatever Mulan 2020 was going for.
If it makes you feel better, interpret the hair cutting as burning the bridges behind her so she can’t go home again unless a miracle happens.
Well this movie got more right than the 2020 version anyway, so if nothing else, it’s decent. Also just a good empowerment story for the world to see, and a fun, looser film in general.
i thought cutting ur hair meant as a sign for moving on
@@alyssarasmussen1723 Absolutely could, that's the great thing about symbolism.
„Appropiate“ is such a wrong term. Lmao
Shen: who are you
Mulan: my name is gay
Shen: *spends the training shirtless
Oh. My. Goodness.
IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!
You mean Shang?
Now if you put it that way...
@@contrarian9999 oh yeah my bad
it's interesting with Shang possibly being gay because he is also played by BD Wong
i love that the animator was like “that was my bad, sorry” that’s so nice
I mean, they were definitely more respectful than the 2020 crew. It even looked like that there were things that they were aware of that they just couldn’t do, whether it was for dramatic effect or comedic effect.
right! i really love that. a lot of the time ppl complain about 'political correctness' with old movies/media and say stuff like it was a product of its time, etc etc - thats true, but it also doesnt take more than a simple 'yeah we were wrong about this part, sorry'. we dont have to cancel all non 'pc' media but we can also acknowledge that even dated/old movies can be inaccurate or offensive.
Truee usually i would see ppl denying others critiques, the way they responded to the tweets were very nice and i respect them for that
I even like that he pointed out that they didn't use some things to make the story work or for dramatic/comedic effect because, well, it's art, it doesn't have to be accurate to portray real feelings and the cartoon never pretended to be historically accurate. And I love how open they are to learning new stuff and to CONSTRUCTIVE criticism
@@user-vs1it5yu8u especially because there's a line between inaccurate or offensive. like, there are things that original Mulan could've easily fixed and were probably a result of ignorance around Chinese culture, it's not like they're so harmful that we need to cancel the whole thing (at least from my perspective as a white person, and I know that I don't and can't speak for Chinese people).
Me being a basic white girl from rural Missouri who never went anywhere - Mulan was my all time favorite movie as a little kid. I loved the music, the story and the culture. It was my first real introduction to a completely different one. It's nice to know that it wasn't just a slap in the face to chinese culture.
Same lol. It was the only Disney Princess movie my mom ever let me watch. Actually it was the only non-Pixar Disney movie we ever owned. Besides The Jungle Book, for some reason. My mom doesn't even recall owning The Jungle Book but i swear we had it on VHS
@@JustBuyTheWaywardsRealms you should tell society that 😅
@@ToastyNoneofyourbusinessooh really. I'm Hong Kong Chinese and Lion King was my childhood. Mulan too of course, but Lion King has a special place because I was younger then and remember buying a Lion King book at Toys R Us 😂
@@mazzmj5809nothing wrong with enjoying simpler and more standard things
@@ToastyNoneofyourbusiness My mother almost succeeded in banning us from watching it because of the mystical ancestor shit
I feel that some of these inaccuracies are actually the animators and writers using shorthand to reach their audience better. For example, it’ll be far easier for the standard Western audience to understand “Now all of China knows you’re here!” Rather than “now all of the dynasty knows you’re here!”
Sometimes, shorthand does absolutely need to win over accuracy.
Same for the hair cutting scene, again for a standard Western audience shorter hair is typically associated with masculinity so her cutting her hair makes it easier for people to understand what is going on even if from a historical standpoint it doesn't make sense. Of course the point of the video is mostly just to point out the inaccuracies so you know about them, I don't think she's trying to say that all of them are inherently flawed.
Or you could say cutting the hair means burning the bridges behind her.
Yup. It’s a cartoon for kids. No need to nuke everything to be “real”. This story is based on a legend anyway.
Yeah especially bc this movie is in English and they have American accents. It's fine to use the American terms for things if the movie isn't marketing itself on accuracy
Same with the underwear. Yeah, I think we know nobody had heart underwear back then. That was clearly a joke.
As a child watching this in the 90s, I had no idea that in the beginning Mulan was being set up for an arranged marriage. I literally thought she was just competing in an ancient Miss China beauty pageant 😂
LMAOO
SAMMEEEE
SAMEEEE
SAME HERE LOOOLLL
LMFAO SAME
Mulan 2020: culturally and historically inaccurate because they didn't really bother to check
Mulan 1998: culturally and historically inaccurate when necessary for good storytelling
and the fact that OG mulan wasn't supposed to be accurate and wasn't mark3eting on it
...and also with the Huns. And many of the little details were off. But most of the important stuff was pretty accurate.
How it be
What makes you think "they" didn't bother to check? And who is "they?" The CCP?
@@jayc7171 Yeah... I wasn't asking you, I was asking the first commentar. And as for "her first video", no thannks, that woman just needed an excuse to rant on Disney or white people in general, just like her twitter account.
A nice fact is that after "A girl worth fighting for" they don't sing again in the whole movie, it's possible that this is meant to give the movie a more serious tone and atmosphere.
I think the Chinese stereotype(and larger Asian stereotype too) of "honor" is actually from us immigrant families. My grandparents grew up in China and immigrated into the US just before my father was born. "Honor" was sorta an emphasized thing, though we never _really_ said "honor" per se. As a kid I definitely explained things to my friends just as the "honor" thing since it conveyed 90% of what it needed to much easier than explaining that I'm terrified of dissapointing the legacy of my grandfather(who passed before I was born) and his success in America.
there are no Asian stereotype. there is east Asian stereotype. don't mistake east asia for entire Asia.
@@mishterkhalid3117?
I wonder if that need to "make a name for oneself" in the US is behind it? US culture appears from the outside as very dynastic, to the point of calling people "junior".
@@mishterkhalid3117 so you`ve never heard of the Asian parents stereotype, huh
What I think he means is, for example, people from Isreal are Asian. Some people from Egypt are Asian. People from Iran are Asian. Most people from Turkey are Asian and on and on and on.
But then there's people like you who just sum up all orientals as "Asians."
While it's true they are Asians, it's dismissive of other Asian people.
Also the idea that there's an east asian steroetype is also spurious. Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, Filipino, Laosian, cambodians and others all have different cultural norms and are not "all the same" like people seem to think.
Try to be better people, thanks.
“And cements her reputation as the Disney Princess with the highest kill count”
lmaooo I’m weak
The girl really has over 1k kills y'all 😂
And she's proud of it
That's SO TRUE 😂
I mean they fucked around and found out
Her official count is 1,995 confirmed kills
“The palace is guarded by gay lions.”
Best quote of 2020.
Truly iconic
That sounds like Sweden.
“Both of these lions have smooth balls”
SCARIER THAN THE UNDERTAKER WE ARE MEETING OUR MATCHMAKER
I also want to have my home guarded by gay lions
There's something that is nice in the animated movie is that you can feel they did quite a bit of research on Chinese history and yeah it may not be super accurate but I feel like you can feel the artistic team's enthusiasm for its visual elements, and little details. It feels more like a homage than a ripoff.
I feel like most Chinese people are not super picky about historical accuracy since the historical c-dramas or even fiction (as you mentionned, historical fanfic) are kind of all over the place as well, as my dad loves to point out. I think it would be sort of hypocritical to say only Chinese people are allowed to have fun with that, which is why Mulan 1998 feels quite okay. The reason why the 2020 version doesn't feel that way is also because the chinses elements in the story feel more like a constraints to the creator who end up kind of throwing a bunch of "Chinese" stuff randomly into a story rather than having fun exploring these elements.
It feels kinda like how Japanese anime sometimes uses Catholic symbolism just because they think it looks cool, even though they don't know much about it.
One thing I was laughing so hard while Mushu was getting the fireworks. In english as well as in german he says "Your worst nightmare." I Swedish he says "Jag är Batman" which is translated into "I'm Batman" and I just couldn't stop laughing because it took me by surprise and the knowledge that batman was called "Läderlappen" in Sweden instead of Batman.
Oh, that’s hilarious!!! 😂😂😂😂
LMFAOOOO
There's something really delightful about this artist being like "ya i forgot to storyboard in food my bad"
One of the most relatable things I've ever read.
Same energy with, "Fuck I was gonna shade that but I forgot"
And that night time 40's diner painting with no door, and the implications of it. But no, artist Hopper said he just forgot the door
@@monicaenns9967 I just googled it and the first result said that's not true. The door was left out on purpose. Sorry if that was a joke and I don't get it.
Ah nuts, I liked that story
Mulan, the Disney princess with the highest kill count. I stan.
PLEASE XIRAN IS SO QUOTABLE 😭😭😭 THIS LINE SENT ME
lol
Omg same I stan as well, she killed an entire army with one cannon
There’s not a lot of competition
@@_iyakin I'm pretty sure she got that information from Film Theory if I remember that episode right.
It took me until right now to realize that having the guy soldiers dress up in drag at the end was a bit more than a "man in a dress" joke. Like, this is a movie about a person pretending to be a sex/gender they're not in order to play a hero role how did I not see that they are paralleling Mulan's story by having her friends break in as concubines and help save the day from a traditionally feminine role *face palm*
I also love how Mulan has to train and learn to use her strengths and talents as opposed to just being wicked strong from the start. It plagues both male and female hero stories when the main character has no development and is just instantly good and the best at everything. Mulan became an even stronger "strong female character" to me as a little girl because she didn't naturally have a conan the barbarian level of physical strength in order for her to be a great warrior (in fact, she was appropriately the weakest one at the beginning and the only one Shang Li sent home for being such a wimp). She developed her skills with training and determination but what sets her apart is her wits. She did use "strength" and "discipline" to climb the pole like Shang Li said she would need to, but in the end it was her problem solving ability that got her to the top. She likely never would have been able to climb it with brute strength alone, but she didn't need to because physical power (traditionally masculine trait) isn't the only way you can excel.
Before I thought the message of this movie was "girls can be just as good as guys if they try hard enough" but now im realizing a more appropriate theme is "Strength in femininity". Realizing this now, I see the true climax of the film being the moment when Mulan stops the sword with her fan. To me, this was "strength in femininity" symbolized.
Actually, it goes even deeper than that. The usual trivia fact that there are no songs in the movie after Girl Worth Fighting For? Only mostly true. There's actually a brief reprise of Be a Man during the scene where they infiltrate the palace, which can be read as implying that it *is* being a man to be willing to do something like that
"Strength in femininity" seriously?
Mulan just showed that with enough wits and bravery, she could outmatch brute strength.
@@tarnw3301That doesnt cancel what they said tho?
@geministrial950 i m not sure if problem solving ability ("what lets her come out on top") must be seen as a female exclusiv trait. So strength in femininity may be a little too much, but it sure does send the message that girls can use wit and determination to achieve even better results. Brute strength is not the most important factor. Sure, the movie mainly wants to adress women with this message, but it basically appllies to anyone who may not have a physical advantage.
@@nickthequick2326 "Strength in femininity" means Mulan uses her abilities and talents to excel without forcing herself to be like a man or do things in the way they did. Nobody said problem-solving is a female-exclusive trait but the fact she did use innate abilities to accomplish her goals rather than trying to be like the boys, showed that she could be strong (not physical) and feminine at the same time, that femininity and strength are not mutually exclusive, because even though she was dressed like a man, she never was naturally masculine or wanted to be a man, it was due her circumstances. That's what it means the expression since a lot of movies and marketing always try to masculinize female characters to convey strength and competence, sort of "be more like men to be strong, smart, this or that..."
Hello from Rwanda. Just an interesting note, but we have a story here about a girl called Ndabaga. It goes pretty much the same as Mulan. Her father is in the army and you could only leave if a son or brother came to relieve you. He only has a daughter, so she cuts off her breasts and learns to fight in order to take his place. She beats the men at everything and some of them become jealous. Eventually, one of them discovers that she is a girl and tells the king, who falls in love with her for her dedication to her father, marries her, and decrees that anyone who does not have a son to replace them can go home.
@@boboboy8189can you give me her name please?
very girlbossy, cutting off her breasts /s
She amputated her breasts and didn’t bleed out? that’s a feat in and of itself wow 😭
Cut off her breasts? That’s badass
@@kennedy78She gave herself top surgery, what a badass
"Why wasn't Shang in drag?"
He clearly didn't want to blow everyone else out of the water. Have you seen the guy?
He would have destroyed an entire generation's Heterosexuality
@@emperortenebrisemeraldwing8578 you say "would have" like it didn't already happen
@@emperortenebrisemeraldwing8578 Indeed
He’s a hot ass dude who probably couldn’t have pulled off the drag look without being recognised. Every Hun remembered him because he was gorgeous, no?
@@GuiSmith tru facts
"Why isn't Shang in drag?"
*slams table* FINALLY someone's asking the real questions
This
true
PERIOD.
Bonus points if he confronted the emperor still in drag
I'm gonna draw it
1:32 "or cat!" *surprise cat*
5:22 "山芋??!! YAMS!!"
11:08 "I need to get my face back!"
11:57 "ANTIFA"
12:47 accusatory Lan Wangji
14:09 AFAB despair
17:50 "* BEADS OF JAAAADE FOR BEAUTYY*"
25:32 "I tried to be white once. Never again"
34:35 "Why isn't Shang in drag?" * softly hits table*
37:47 "I wish my expectations of media could be that low" (by @nguyenminhphucloc5600, the time stamps changed)
Love this compilation, exactly 👏👏👏
I'd add 38:10 when she said "If you didn't hate it...... I wish my expectations for media could be that low".
Perfect memes right here!
5:23 is before “YAMS!?” (I think)
@@azutheboredcat2441you're right, I have no idea how but now all of the time stamps became wrong?? I swear they were right when I wrote them, I used to click on them repeteadly
The fact that you had actual animators who worked on this film contact you is absolutely incredible. Congrats!
"They're gay. They're gay lions. The palace is guarded by gay lions."
This broke me HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Truly powerful and I appreciate it
Meh.
@Shonksu *Sexy jazz music plays*
Mulan was saying gay rights in 1998
@BitterOrange your username fits you better.
The fact that she was so mad at the 2020 movie she created an entire channel hating on it.
Kudos honestly
We stan😌
Don't forget she had to edit it with a weak computer that took her hours of editing
literally the ONLY time i've ever subbed after ONE video, lmfao (or loved someone's FIRST EVER video so much X"D)
Sounds like what That Star Wars Girl did.
@@MsSHINeeTVXQSuju same
"But no, adults are not allowed to cut their hair by asking for their parents permission..."
I was honestly wondering that.
In Lady General Hua Mulan (1964), the soldiers refer to her as Brother Hua throughout the movie, but the General, who is simply referred to as General Li, does call her Hua Ping several times. When she is revealed to be a woman, the soldiers call her Sister Hua. She even ends with the poetic line she has from the ballad.
This movie was made at a time where cultural accuracy wasn't as important as it is now and it STILL managed to be more accurate than the mess that is Mulan 2020
Yea, What the hell is up with mulan 2020? I know 2020 already was a disaster but They didnt need to make it MORE of a disaster lol
Cultural accuracy still isn't important unless it's a foreign culture. Western/European period dramas have somehow been getting LESS accurate over the decades.
2020 isn’t as bad as people think.
@zaliapoo dessine draws Year.
And I don’t share the pessimism others have and never will.
and they made an effort to have the two leads voiced by asian actors (Ming Na and B.D. Wong)
My favorite is her Shang commentary:
“It is here where Shang takes off his robe top, to the benefit of ALL OF US.”
“Shang is shirtless even when firing Mulan in the middle of the night. Amazing.”
“You know what that means. #Shangisbi2020”
“This scene is actually very offensive, I do have one huge grievance. WHY ISN’T SHANG IN DRAG!?” *fist slam*
SHE’S RIGHT THOUGH- WHY ISN’T HE IN DRAG? #shangisbi2020
@@bobthebuilderday6leader i think it's to show he came to help last minute and had no preparation.
she's right and she should say it
Shang is the original Bi icon (bicon?)
@@Druzica18 bicorn?
as a central asian growing up with pretty much no representation in media, the huns being the bad guys in my favorite disney movie wasn’t that damaging. at least in my family’s eyes. we loved mulan, especially when friends would come over and we’d watch it and root for the bad guys lol.
If it helps, think of the Hun invasion as more of an insurrection.
Same! It was nice to have any representation even if it wasn’t ‘positive’
Decided to watch this again today, and I just noticed that Mulan, Ling, Yao, Chien-Po, and Shang all have armor colour coordinated to the 5 element system
Also, if chubby was considered attractive; then that would mean that Yao is the most attractive in the drag scene.
What about Chen Po?
Chen Po erasure
Chubby was considered attractive in women during this era, not sure about men
@@iwatchyoutube3511 but he was dressed as a women
@@mosharrofsarker9247 oh right 😅
mulan 2020: historically inaccurate, supports police brutality, emotionless
mulan 1998: also historically inaccurate, BUT it doesnt support police brutality AND is very emotional and like an actual good story
The 1998 was wayy better though it was a lil bit historically inaccurate after all everyone makes mistakes.
Proof that good storytelling will always stomp over realism. Very inspiring.
In other words, the 1998 has its flaws, but it's still enjoyable (unlike the 2020 version)
Good songs too
Stop the police brutality nonsense.
26:33 Fr! I can’t hear the phrase “let’s get down to business” without IMMEDIATELY SAYING “to defeat the Huns”
To defeat *ch ch* the Huns!! You have to make the ch sound
As far as the yellow eyes are concerned, there's actually a explanation for this in the special features, at least as far as shan yu is concerned. They were originally to have shan yu be able to see through the eyes of his hawk/ falcon but ultimitley decided to drop that aspect.
"Chinese dragons don't spit fire"
Ok makes sense
"They spit water"
WHAT
yeah chinese dragons are kings of seas and bringer of storms. got nothing to do with fire. maybe lightning.
Yes, they are known to summon rain. Chinese believed they caused floods when they were angry. That's the reason why there were rebellions against the Chinese emperors after natural disasters as they believed the emperors lost the mandate of heaven.
Bruh same😂😂😂
I can spit water too
If not mistaken european dragons spit a lot of things, though often fire and in one old picture tongues.
The end of "A girl worth fighting for" has them finding the doll. The "girl worth fighting for" turned out to be a dead child, and far too many people never realize that.
I have seen this movie 1000 times and never ever thought of this.
Woah.
THANK YOU SOMEONE POINTED IT OUT
_please explain about this metaphor about this doll??_
_please explain about this metaphor about this doll??_
@@talimbeingaverythriftyghor5967 They were singing about "a girl worth fighting for"... the song presented it as "Hey, if I fight well, I could impress girls!". But then they found the dead little girl's doll, and now the girl worth fighting for is for justice, not impressing her. It's to get justice for the little girl.
“Why cast Eddie Murphy as a Chinese dragon?”
Strange choice or not, Mushu is the only Blasian representation I can think of
Alyx from the Half Life video game series is Blasian, but it is crazy that that is the only other character that came to mind for me lol
One thing I would change in Mulan (1998) is Mushu's ending. I think it would have really cemented his character development if the Ancestors offered him a guardianship position after Mulan's victory, but he chose to turn it down, because he found satisfaction in being Mulan's friend. That would show true humility on his part.
Would parallel Mulan's own ending as well
“The Forbidden City”
My brain: Ba Sing Se.
Yanxi Palace
YES AVATAR WE STAN
Yes LMAOO
This is no war in Ba Sing Se
It's a long, long way to Ba Sing Se.
Can we also talk about how the transition from "A Girl Worth Fighting For" to the scene of the ruined village where they find the little girl's doll, is an amazing way to show the soldiers transitioning from boys to men? Let me explain: through "A Girl Worth Fighting For", they're basically singing about how they're fighting for the potential of getting a girl, of getting a reward basically. But in the next scene, they get their actual girl worth fighting for; the little girl who was presumably killed in the attack. They are no longer fighting for a potential reward; they are fighting for the innocent lives that were lost there, and fighting so that no more civilians will have to die
Thats so true, it like tue moment they realized their responsibility
@@Mualskii Right, it's also the moment they realize that they're the only ones left to stop the huns!
Yeah. When I watched it as a child, that scene gave me exactly that feeling. When ShuanYu takes the doll, my child self said "ok, he's probably going to invade a village", but I didn't realize they would invade and kill every single villager they found there. When I saw the doll again, my child's heart broke into pieces with the thought of someone around my age being so brutally killed. I think this was one of the first movies that taught me how I should be wary of the world.
Don't do this, dont make me cry rn
This gave me chills
9:35 If memory serves me correctly, some nobles were permitted to have dragon symbols so long as they have 4 toes. The five toed dragons are for the emperor, the four toed ones for nobles, and three toed ones for anyone else permitted to have a dragon symbol. Since the imperial dragon has five toes, the ones with four or three toes are considered fake dragons. Mushu in this cartoon movie has four toes.
"This is what your get for hiring unnecessary dancing lions" is one of my most favourite sentences I've heard.
when she was like: "Auntie Fa"
and then she realized: "ANTIFA"
加加油吧 omg
She hates fire.
One might say, she's AntiFire.
@@marekwygnany924 was that a PhilosophyTube reference!?!?
@David Van Loo What are you talking about?! So antifa is a bunch of racists? Everyone knows that. And I guess they will terrorize a sweet lady just because she is an aunt and her name just so happened to be Fa? Yep, sounds about right, expect it could be any old lady, or man as they like to beat up the weak as they are too weak themselves to actually fight an adult their own age.
@David Van Loo So Antifa believe in things like Religion, Equal rights, and poor people? Man, I wish they believe those things when they destroy black people's neighborhoods while praising the extremely Wealthy class like CELEBRITIES as the "oppessed minority" while actual poor brown people get screwed over by Antifa's actions. Or how chanting "F&#K Jesus" somehow helps the poor class, despite 90% of of the poor are hardcore Christians. P.S. I ain't white, before calling me "uncle Tom", Uncle Tom legitimately helped the poor and the black community more then Antifa as a whole.
I'm so glad Antifa cared for minorities like us.... by.. ransacking our poor neighborhoods.
Yep, that's shows you guys cared so much about us.
@@princeofdarkness4711 Yes, there are antifa who are religious. I'm pretty sure all antifa support equal rights, and most of them are poor. Most antifa gatherings are to protest fascist gatherings, and remain peaceful until fascists incite violence.
I know quite a few antifa and I have never seen any of them say that being a celebrity makes someone oppressed, perhaps they have said that a member from an oppressed minority became a celebrity but that doesn't have the same meaning as what you're saying. What poor brown people are getting screwed over by antifa? Do you have a source for this?
I agree chanting "fuck jesus" is unproductive, but many christians are in positions of power and use their influence to further fascist causes so there in likely a lot of resentment there (and no, I don't think all christians are fascists, or that all fascists are christians, just that those who are like to abuse their power). Do you have a source for the "90% of the poor are hardcore christians"?
Antifa do care for minorities, so I'm not sure what your point is there.
FINALLY A ZUKO REFERENCE THAT HAS TO DO WITH CARTOONS ABOUT ASIANS OVERUSING HONOR
RIGHT
I think that honor is used so much when dealing with Asians because it's an easier concept to sell t o a Western audience than face. If you replaced honor with face most people wouldn't understand what you were talking about and would probably think that you're talking about their literal face and be seriously confused.
@@Riceball01 true that, true that.
@@Riceball01 They might understand if you replace face with image? Like, you’ll ruin the family image or I need to fix my image. But honor sounds way less superficial to my western ears. Not that face is superficial....I mean at times it is but.
@@Riceball01 "to save face" is a western phrase though
During the story boarding for the "I'm taking my father's place" decision scene, the dragon was thin and stretched to a wave.
I have no clue why they thickened and scrunched him up.
My wife was really confused about the honor thing. She didn’t really criticize most of the other inaccuracies but the honor thing was immersion breaking for her.
When the bad guy encounters Mulan and sees that she is a woman, he doesnt make a comment like "oh a woman", instead he fights her without hesitation.
Just because you're evil and a bad racist caricature doesn't mean you can't believe a woman could kick ass
@@reddest-x I think at this point he just didn't care who it was, he just wanted the throne
In the movies the bad guys are upset when they suffer defeat by a woman. This movie villian treats her like a worthy opponent
@@mark12strang58 Shan Yu male feminist confirmed
He is a politically correct villain.
So I hope this doesn't get buried. Because two of my animation professors worked on the original Mulan. Specifically in the special effects department. The intro sequence of the ink painting was originally going to be Chinese shadow puppetry briefly explaining the ballad and setting the scene. They were trying to figure out a way to make the puppets slowly come in and out of focus as they were "brought against" the rice paper and then taken back. Unfortunately, this research was costing too much, and they still had a lot of other effects to make, so the intro was switched to the one in the movie.
Some other fun facts:
All of the flags are 3D animated. My professor had a coworker run up and down the hallway with a giant flag to study how it moved.
The cricket cage and comb are also 3D. Basically anything that looks like it would be a PAIN to animate by hand was done in 3D. This also includes the ever-famous "Hun Charge" scene.
This movie was created primarily by the now defunct Orlando Studio in Florida. This studio would go on to make Lilo and Stitch.
That's sick!
amazing! Makes sense that studio made these two films
I am also taking animation in school. Isn't it amazing to learn about your fave movies from the peeps who MADE them?! Plus they all like, know each other!
Oh yeah I saw a talk from a professor on that.
The moment you realize those guys got paid to run down a hall waving flags for research, you know they are living the life! LOL XD
The opening of Mulan, the ink painting, inspired me to try that style. I still love to draw like that. Clouds especially
It is absolutely beautiful every time I see it.
I’m late af, but i was literally screaming and tearing up in my car as you described the dramatic hair cutting scene and her family is all looking for her… it’s just so compelling it’s my fave, unbeatable.
As a fellow Asian-parent-haver, hearing "why didn't she come back with a boyfriend?" is something every atom of my being can relate to.
No comment?
For me it's more of the neighbours or distant relatives, "HEY DO YOU HAVE A BOYFRIEND YET", "ARE YOU GONNA GET MARRIED"
"Asian-parent-haver" Lmaooo
Latino parents do that too. Also the "When are you going to have a baby?" So annoying.
pretty much every phone call with my mom 😂
I love how honest the production team is as well. "I didn't put dishes in the middle. My fault." "IT WAS YOU". Severely underrated exchange there.
HELLO??? YUBEACE IN THE REAL?????
@@cas_sette_tape it me -_-
More emotion in that exchange than the entire remake
IT WAS YOU WHO DEPRIVED THEM OF DINNER
That was the best exchange! Sometimes mistakes happen, and it is nice to hear it from the production team
Shan-Yu's name essentially being Yams just brightened my morning honestly! I also had no idea him and his army were suppose to represent a certain race, as I kid I always thought he was some ghoul and not human due to his eyes and strength; also his coldness.
I like that even though not all of it's accurate it's still mostly tasteful or was done a specific way so chinese audience could still interpret it (and a few western things so the west didn't feel totally lost the entire time, the breakfast smile made me smile as a kid because tht's such a goofy thing to do here in the west); like the writing being a modern modern chinese form instead of the kind you'd see back then. Really interesting to get some insight on the shrine though! As a kid even I thought it was a bit odd even though I didn't really know the culture. Most inaccuries were either an overlook, could be overlooked/unnoticed, or were simply done for comedic effect which gave the movie a lot of the charm people loved it for
So nickname him the Yam King.
7:58 I’m a white Australian who loves this movie. When I was little I used to watch my DVD of Mulan constantly. The really funny thing to me was that there was a special feature on the DVD that explained chopstick etiquette and most definitely highlighted just how much of a no-no sticking your chopsticks upright in your food. So, it was pretty funny noticing the rice bowl in this scene. Maybe the filmmakers should have watched the special features. 😂
"I tried to be white once. Never again."
"The palace is guarded by gay lions."
"Why isn't Shang in drag?"
I love your sense of humor.
EDIT: 11/8/2020 I just realized that this must seem like out of context if someone saw this comment before watching the video.
That first line confuses me because when you put on that sort of makeup that gives you that white glow makes you look whiter.
PS. Yes, Redditors I know it’s a joke, but I am making one too.
And don’t forget: “Y A M S ? ? ?”
"Shangisbi2020" was pretty funny and the bit about them just eating rice and tea.
@@stephendonovan9084 And now I'm flashing back to the dream Po had in Kung Fu Panda 2 about the kung fu turnip.
It's dumb to read comments before watching the video anyway. The dumbest people are those who read comments beneath TV-series episodes and then complain about spoilers.
This youtuber origin story is hilarious: youtuber by force.
And we STAN. Hard.
She didn’t choose that youtuber life. That youtuber life chose her
hehe 1000th upvote
oh man, not relevent to your brilliant comment but i teared up a lil at your profile pic
😂😂😂
Three years later and this just popped up for me. I appreciate all the cool info! I'm a history geek, but Chinese history is... a lot. There's so much to take in, it gets jumbled in my brain.
In regards to the ink brush paintings, it took a lot of skill, focus, and practice to not have any errors, which is an incredible skill. And the paintings are beautiful, one of my favorite art styles. The minimalism of it captures so much subtle detail without making it distracting.
Your point about the tiny waist thing! Totally! I think about this a lot because I love fashion history and looking at Chinese fashion, it was very tent-like big and bulky clothing that DID NOT accentuate the waist 🤣🤣💖
You know, it's nice to hear someone say "it's fine to be historically innacurate as long as I'm having a good time." There's something about that line that just gives me some strange sense of warmth.
After an era of bad Nostalgia Critic/Cinema Sins criticism, hearing the actually sane appropriate criticism is truly a treat
Maybe its that common sense thats so heartwarming to you
As long as it's not inaccurate on something that really matters that could have bad consequences. Little nitpicky things, eh it's ok
I love my historical acurracy as much as I love my historical fantasy, we can enjoy both
Yes..
Especially the greatest showman
"this cat painting was done by an actual emperor btw. what have you been doing with your life?"
well for starters, I'm not an emperor--
Again, what are you doing with your life? Lmao
@@just-trying-my-best-everyday learning cat anatomy now that you've spite me
@Hinori because my lecturer made my whole class change our usernames for a google classroom and my dumbass too lazy to make a new account since this is my main account. I will change it back to my username again after the semester ends tho so yeah... Here's my full name, internet.
Your name sure sounds like one tho!
@@Varoon2 thanks man, it sure does!
This was very enjoyable, thank you. It’s good to hear from someone who is Chinese that reviewed both films.
The 90s Mulan really hit emotionally.
And yeh, Sang would have rocked the eyeliner.
It is interesting that at a time when researching all this was much more difficult (and people in general were less aware of respecting other cultures) most of the historical errors in the film are related to sacrifices made to make the narrative more interesting or limitations in the animation
It's funny to hear so many people looking for "historical errors" in myths and legends. That makes no sense. It's a STORY, not a documentary.
"ping, if you were a girl i'd kiss you"
this would have been everything if they'd put it in, i'm so sad now
I can see it in my mind..."Ping, I could kiss you!"
Then Mulan blushes and turns away,and then Shang puts a hand on her shoulder and laughs,"Don't worry,I'm not going to."
To which Mulan turns back and breathes a sigh of relief,but with a tinge of disappointment.
@@omnimonramone8459 that's a great idea for a fanfic tho xD
@@EyelinerAce Don't
It would have been amazing, but I can't help but feel it was too close to the reveal of Mulan's actual gender, maybe that was why it wasn't included.
@@RhamanaChan or Shang's sexuality 😏
Mulan 2020: "We left out the hair-cutting scene for accuracy"."
Also Mulan 2020: " Haha we have a witch take it or take it"
Right????
I think I'll leave it.... 😶
Wait really? Lol glad I didn't waste time on that dumpster fire. They cut my boy Shan Yu, but have room for a witch?
Mulan 1998: "We have a couple inaccurate things, most notably the hair cutting scene, but we swear you'll like the movie anyway"
We left out the hair cutting scene for accuracy, but that’d be the only thing accurate whatsoever in the whole freaking movie.
i remember having an argument with somebody once about the movie hercules because it didn't follow the actual myth and had too many historical inaccuracies but like, its a great movie that was made for kids. I think it hercules' original myth he had to kill his own father or something (unless im thinking of oedipus but a lot of them killed their dads in those stories ok) and they couldn't have shown that, but it was still obvious that it was ancient greece, and the story still worked. in my opinion you're right- historical accuracy in these movies is cool to see and a fun little easter egg if you know the history involved, and it should be at least somewhat culturally accurate, but the main purpose of a movie is to tell a good story and entertain the audience.
In the og myths Hercules was driven into a battle rage by Hera his STEPmother (cruel stepmothers go back WAAY farther than Walt Disney himself) and killed his wife (yes, Megara) and kids and had to do those 12 labors (it was supposed to be 10 but he got marked down for 2 of them)
Tbh, acnient Greek mythology is like every myth. They're full of very bullshit and complicated details that look like the writers were smoking canabis while being on tight deadline of submission. So I encourage creative liberty to make these kind of works into movies. Same to game. I'm tired of anything getting realistic while the gameplay is just copy pasted of other game. Gimme something entertaining lol
Myths don't have "historical inaccuracies" They are STORIES, not historical accounts.
Just found this in my Watch Later playlist
Did not expect to see the author of Iron Widow here, but thoroughly enjoyed watching
Soldier: who is the leader of the huns?
Shan-Yu: I yam
This deserves much more attention
@@cramerfloro5936 I completely agree 😂
PUNZZZZZ
I can't stop laughing at the thought of people having ptsd like flashbacks to yam vendors when hearing the bad guys name.
Damn it! You're making me choke on my grape😂
"through the whole thing Shang refuses to stop being shirtless and we're all eternally grateful for that" --- that killed me 😂
"at one point after Mulan defeats Shang during sparring Shang gives Mulan that same look Nala gives Simba" IM WHEEZING
"the palace is guarded by gay lions"
welp, that's it. im ded
It's true... Thank you Jesus!
@@dumpsterDeity I found that absolutely hilarious as well!
@@dumpsterDeity Gay lions >>>>>
This was an amazing video!! Thank you so much for taking the time to make this
Just read Iron Widow! Such a good book, so excited for the next one!!!
Li Shang shirtless is gender-neutral fan service. Everyone can enjoy.
Agreed ✨✨
as a lesbian i can’t say i agree :-P
@@mariebelgan3624 Gender-neutral, not sexuality neutral. Apologies.
As a boy, he made me gay
@@Hello-qv2fx as a girl, he made me straight (until I saw any other interesting girl lololol)
Oh my god, I'm a huge idiot. Everytime you talked about C-dramas, I thought, wow, China must really love naval history or something. It took until my second watch to realize it was C-drama, not sea drama.
Haha
😂😂hahahaha
Same actually 🙈😂
I did not realise that until reading this comment XD
I thought it was sea drama too LOL
I'm so late to this vid, and your channel in general but I'm glad I found it now! Your humor is so good and the delivery omg, the joke about Shang looking down 15 degrees ending the movie so much faster really got me. ALSO you're stunning!
What an awesome video. I hesitated to watch it because of its length but once I started I wished it would have been longer, I enjoyed it so much
Can we just acknowledge ,and appreciate how she gave credit to the native people of the Americas for the cultivation of all peppers, squash, corn and many more fruits and vegetables. It’s funny how many people forget the indigenous people were the creators of so many amazing foods and cuisines:)
I will be ever grateful for potatoes.
quite ironically many "traditional" european foods are prepared using many ingredients from America
I know right, I'm tired of people saying "oh corn was in the europeans they had corn and gave it to the world" like no
@@oddydraws4807 who said that? i mean like... ever?
@@andreasgoebel1269 idiots were I live, but again most people were I live are either racist, sexist or homophobic, I heard someone once say that slavery in america didn't happen and that's just a myth.
Hehe Mulan cutting her hair makes sense then, if people would assume Ping may have committed a crime they might think THATS why his father never mentioned having a son.
That’s a great headcanon actually.
i second @Project Anomaly
Huh, that actually makes sense
That's a good watsonian explaination. Although I don't think Mulan would have been able to come up with a plan like that at that point in the movie. I think she was just having anti-confucian moment
@@AbsolXGuardian
I think her hair was simply too long to tie into a sturdy top knot. So she had to cut it a bit.
Mulan is my favourite disney movie by a longshot and as a massive history nerd this is such a delight of rabbit holes to dive into later, thank you!
Historical Western fact; breakfast depends on what your parents do for a living. Hunters and Farmers eat differently because your calorie needs are different for each job.
Historical Chinese makeup: made of rice powder, non toxic, safe
Historical European makeup: lead oxide and arsenic
Also historical China :Drinks mercury to gain immortality
@@woko1009 oh, lol, I forgot about that😂
Though at least they discovered gunpowder that way...
@@walterl322 True that in cruel irony
@@woko1009 yeah... 😂
On behalf of the western world, how dare you...
...forget that we also used radium for a nice glow
Mad respect to ancient Chinese artists for consistently seeing cats and thinking "hell yes. Let's paint these guys"
Love that fact an emperor actui took the time to paint cats!😻😻
They thought up cat pictures before it was cool
Also those paintings seem perfectly realistic to me?? Not in the realism-the-art-genre way, but in the sense of proportions and the overall impression, definitely waay more realistic than the cats with human faces from the Medieval European drawings from hundreds years later??
I can't believe there are literally some racists so dµmb to bring up these Chinese paintings to prove European art superior, in case I got it right from this video?? Lmao 😂
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@@amysbees6686 Was he named Actui?
I saved this video for after a rewatch. Love this film but your breakdown is super interesting, funny and just on point! I learned a lot, thanks!
Years later this is still a pleasure to watch and super interesting. Thank you! Greetings from Germany!
"even though this movie is culturally inaccurate, that didnt stop me from enjoying it so much": me, a greek person, about Hercules... this makes me want to watch Hercules again and point out the inacuracies
Do it I would watch
Please do it
Hercules is… painful… to get through
Me to, I love Disney's Hercules but even I agree it got some issues.
Same but with Coco
“Bisexual Legend Li Shang” 😂😂😂😂 Instant subscription
lmao i did the same
Mood
Well it's true
I absolutely loved this version of Mulan when I was a kid, still do because Mulan is a strong female character who goes out and does things instead of pining after some prince. I heard the 2020 version was terrible so I never even wasted time seeing it and I'm glad I did.
I’ve been following your stuff for a while and I recently bought the Iron Widow book but I actually did NOT know you authored it. That’s really cool and now I feel slightly ashamed I haven’t read it yet.
“I have to find the Avatar to restore my FACE!”
Edit: it would be great if you continue reviewing other Chinese-inspired media for historical accuracy.
YAAASSSS i would love to see her take on avatar or crouching tiger, hidden dragon :)
Yes! I’d love to see more from her!
Franzi Wall Same!
I would legit watch every' video twice
Mulan 👏 two 👏✨
“Why isn’t Shang in drag?”
Because the enemy forces would fall for him no matter what he wears. He’s a bisexual legend for a reason
Li Shang isnt bisexual
@@King2_15_3
1.) Shang gave Mulan “the look” when she was disguised as Ping
2.) Shang doesn’t need to be bisexual to make his enemies question their sexuality
@@Sjono Bru shang gave ping a look that said okay I'm impressed. Not okay wanna fuck. There is no romantic interest in the two until the end. What Shang and ping have is called a bromance. Shang isnt bisexual.
@@King2_15_3 I mean is his sexuality ever explicitly stated or confirmed? Also we’re all just joking. No need to be so upset over it.
@@alidevine961 I never said I was upset I just see something that isnt right and I am correcting it. And this is DISNEY they dont like to have gay relationships in their movies these days they sure as heck wasn't going to make one back then during the DISNEY renaissance
I just have to say, you are so stunning. I love your makeup and hair in this video, and I really enjoyed listening to this video. I think it’s so cool that we can appreciate the movie for what it is, but still be able to call out and correct it as we love it. Ive learned a lot from this video!
Thank you so much for this video! It was so great to hear your perspective on everything. I couldn't even finish the live action and laughed when it claimed to be more authentic to the poem.
“Lets hire someone who speaks mandarin to write a letter for the cricket scene!!”
“but I have this takeout menu...”
well... i mean,,, they were trying to cut costs. sooooo
I honestly think that added to the hilarity. Because they at leats made an effort in other moments that letter stands out horrifically.
It was in the 90s so…still wrong tho
@@countryboyiloveu420 right ….because translators didn’t exist 25 years ago
As a Chinese person I expect to see this. But, the jokes getting old yes. The BFI sword from Mulan 2020 is a new one though, that was hilarious! WTF
“...but then, in this shot, *both* of these lions have smooth balls, so you know what? They’re gay. They’re gay lions. The palace is guarded by gay lions.”
I love you.
Bless the gay lions
@@Angel12068 lol 😂
It’s called a pride for a reason I guess.
@@dustinarmstrongthisisafake8248 you, i like you
two gay lions in a temple 0 feet apart cause there so gay
Truly an amazing video!! Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts and observations!
I just found this video and am in complete love for your content!! That was such an entertaining and educational video!! Thanks for that 💕
seeing storyboard artists getting called out and them just nodding and going 'yes my fault, sorry' is so funny and very accurate. sometimes us board artists are just like that... Dumb
I mean yall must be burnt out constantly I can totally understand
san????!
thats kind of wholesome tbh, theyre just like yeah that was me sorry instead of going nOOOooo id NEVEVRVEVGRHR
Honestly I straight up thought the Fa family was hella poor from that scene and that’s why they sent her to the matchmaker. To marry a rich guy so they can afford more than rice.
@@desireeloveros1055 I doubt she was poor. Look at how big her house is. And her jewelry. And her father being one of the praised (and well known) veterans of war. That's not guaranteed rich, but that's quite telling of their financial status
The 2020 movie wasn't just missing heart it was missing all the vital organs, a skeleton and skin.
All it had was two greedy little hands to grab that Disney premiere $$
Its basically just pulsating intestine, spewing out shit
I’m taking an Anatomy and Physiology class this semester, and that made me grin
And a soul
But hey it got drinking game potential
It had a skin, stuffed with crap, to make it look even worse.
Thanks for the review/ history lesson.
You made me remember how much I loved the original Mulan.