"I was lost in my little own planet" is something that you NEVER want to hear from who's driving your train or your bus or flying your plane. Anyone can make mistakes but, no offence meant, the way she dealt with it afterwards, the "so I was distracted, so what, no one died" attitude makes me think she was picked for the wrong job.
This is TfL, they don't care, the staff least of all. It's the last closed shop in Britain, and they don't recruit from outside, only internally, because of union pressure. Read the report on the King's Cross fire and the station staff down for half-hour breaks who took an hour and a half. The convenience of their overpaid staff is their only concern.
@@WilliamSmith-mx6ze Lol....I guess you missed the part where they mentioned a recruitment drive for females and a ad being taken out in cosmopolitan magazine"6000 applied only 120 got jobs". That girl was not professional but i doubt it would matter what job she was in...plus I think the cameras made her spaz out alittle.
I think what a lot of people seem to forget is that if you are driving the same bit of railway line over and over again day after day it becomes very very easy to get complacent.
Miranda needs an attitude adjustment and to stop being so defensive. Accept you made a dangerous mistake, apologize and stress that you will do your utmost to make sure it doesn't happen again. You, my dear, are an extremely unpleasant person. I'm really surprised you were hired. Someone made a big mistake.
Not in TfL. If you're staff, deny all responsibility, deny all problems, and the union will back you up in Britain's last closed shop. Not my fault, you can't sack me. This is how the King's Cross fire happened and 30 years later they're just the same.
So lie, which is what you are saying. Pretending you ended the world would make you seem desperate, and show that your job is all you care about so you are giving what you think they want. She was a realist, accepted what she actually did, and was honest about it and reality of how it happened. The part of it not being as bad as it could is a good thing, and something she very much should be focusing on so she can move on. She wasn't bullshitting crocodile tears to show how much it "really means" - I know which one I would trust to carry on and make the adjustments needed.
Miranda is dreadful. Made two dangerous mistakes in as many years, held up a load of people, and just responded with "we're not robots, everyone makes mistakes". Terrible attitude on her.
Agreed ...I live in Victoria bc Canada we don't have this kind of transport...we have the bus..and a couple days ago for some reason the driver of a bus full of university students decided to drive down a dangerous logging road at night and in bad weather. Driver lost control and rolled the bus down a cliff killing students and injuring many and instead of the driver admitting they made a horrific mistake the driver said traffic was heavy leaving victoria....which is nonsense since the logging road was hours away from victoria and would take longer to get to where they were going than taking a proper road! This poor excuse for a driver and her attitude over what she'd done ..saying no one died ..is disgusting just coz no one died doesn't make it less of a careless mistake coz like the bus driver here...her careless actions will one day cause an accident in which people will get hurt and possibly killed...Miranda is selfish and uncaring
@@jennygreber7176 at least you have the skytrain nearby. No SPADs because it’s automatic. Definitely one of my favorite metro systems(coming from someone in Seattle)
Yeah would be better to admit mistake of assuming points cleared the signal. It's not dissimilar to "ding ding and away" that caused the Scotland train head on crashes in the 90s.
Wow. Just wow. It wasn't even a case of accidentally missing a signal, she outright forgot to check the signals before driving off. She can't even argue that wasn't completely avoidable.
@@The-Cat 🤔Unless they have parallel park..😅Problem now days is recruitment straight off the street anyone can pass an exam if can remember and answer questions like a 🦜🤔Maybe a good idea to put a 🟢P plate on the front so passengers can decide to wait for the next train 😏Wheres before you come up through the grades with some railway operating🛤 experience
That woman driver Joe turned red as an ripe apple when she called her brother to tell him she passed the drivers test, I can tell under it all she is a sweet girl and this embarrassed her a bit. I have a feeling she was a tough cookie at one time in her life and things like praise makes her feel uneasy because she hasn't had enough of it grown up. Maybe I'm wrong but that's my read on her,,, Great job Joe, Congratulations
Passing a stop signal is a fireable offense in US and is an automatic decertification on our railroads lol. I'm in training right now for a major north east railroad and even if you just graduated the class and run a stop signal, they have no remorse. You're out of service or fired depending on how bad you messed up and you're definitely fired if it happens again wether you breached it by an inch or a mile.
I drive a fuel tanker for a living and it can be a very cut throat industry, one small error can easily cost me my job. To think this person ran a red signal and then give a load of attitude AND not severely penalised is crazy.
Have you lost your job yet or are you still pretending that you'll never make a mistake? I can't imagine going to a job every day that is so ruthlessly unforgiving, which is why I don't haul fuel.
Thats really concerning with the lack of responsibility for the SPAD. Yes people make mistakes, but also safety systems do fail as well, you can't just say 'oh its ok if the trigger gets hit the brakes automatically apply' thats how complacency leads to one of those 'one in a million' fatal crashes, the emergency brakes should be used as a last resort not as an oops it happens thing.
Definitely safer to drive into London when there's train and bus drivers like this "you hit cars, it's part of the job" and "so what, no one died" WTF?!
The driver who SPAD certainly didn't feel me with confidence with that attitude. If I see her approaching my train, I will happily wait for the next one.
Nilguiri funnily enough had to use the District line to get to my Christmas Party. Made sure to look carefully at who was driving the train before I got on lol. Even coming home after a good few pints I made sure to check.
The line went to ATC in the 2010s, when they introduced the new stock. As you see, this documentation of the beginning of the 2000s has still the old stock (even in only white delivery). Nowadays on the district line not the driver drives the train, but the train drives the driver :D
Totally shocked about the woman's attitude when she passed a stop light. So as a train driver you have people's lives in your hand, so not paying attention when at the helm of a train, is not a situation where you go "Oh well I am human and make mistake" imagine if her gastric bypass surgeon said "I'll do my best not to kill you but I am only human and mistakes happen" bloody want to avoid her train. Is there any way of finding out the train driver's name?
Most railway companies you get fired after causing a SPAD, no argues they say. Beside that she was interupting her instructeur with "I am not a robot". A bit strange reaction. Good luck with her.
Not always as there's youtube videos of drivers sharing their experiences of SPADS for various reasons still in the job. Some have led to rules being updated.
Yes, though the company has spent a lot getting them trained and experienced... better to salvage the employee if you can. Make them watch a graphic video train incident if necessary.
Railway companies say three SPADS in a whole career I've heard and can sack you after one. I dunno if it's true but I've heard London underground driver's are allowed 2 SPADS every year!!
I believe it depends on the reason for a SPAD - after all, you could have the signal be thrown back in your face three seconds before passing it leaving you no time to stop. I have had about five SPADs - one of which was my fault, two were signal failures and two were caused by the bobby incorrectly reverting the signal... Each time there was a full investigation and lessons learnt - only put on the carpet for my own mistake - not the other four
16:09 "A lot of the operators have now seen it half-a-dozen times. At least." WHAT!? Seriously? More than two signal violations should be a permanent employment termination.
Yeah but you gotta keep in mind they didn't necessarily watch it all those times because they had a signal violation. Its probably part of the training before they are allowed to drive with supervision, Or they could be made to watch it at some other random time, like when someone else gets a SPAD. I can't tell you how many times I've had nothing real to do at work and the boss made me watch a training video.
In the railway industry, in particular the safety critical roles, such as tube driver. They have to watch these videos usually every year or 3 years (not 100% sure). So the guys comments is more about this rather than the drivers having to watch it a dozen times due to spading dozen times.
@@mchagnon7 yeah, and also signals can fail. That's happen an awful lot on LU for some reason. It's also a SPAD but it's not a driver's fault if a signal is failed...
It usually is a serious punishment but there are situations where it’s less serious, if they were pressured to run fast to keep schedule, or if a signal was hard to see, or a signal bulb failed, or even some where the train just slightly overshot a signal even though they hit the brakes. There’s also other reasons to watch it outside of actually causing a SPAD yourself, such as generic training.
She made the classic error that we’re all warned about - hearing the points thrown and not checking the signal before winding up. Her attitude is terrible
"Positive is the salary, negative are these problems" or in simpler words i like the money i dont really care about trains or bothered to learn about them a lot just enough for anjob and passing red is not that big of a danger as the emergency breaks will just kick in:) hope shes no longer employed by tfl jheez.
Well, to excuse her, there is a reason, why London Transport calls them drivers and not engineers: They ONLY have to drive the train. Everything technical is done by other personal, qualified for it. Unlike train engineers on main lines the drivers at London Underground don't know how a train really works - they only need to drive it properly. And on many lines already they only have to push two buttons and the train does the rest.
It genuinely is impressive, most people don’t realise just how difficult it is to drive a train, especially a tube train in a dark tunnel. I recently started learning how to drive simulators and it’s really difficult even in them, especially precise stopping on platforms and remembering where the speed limits are, it’s shockingly common to get a sudden speed restriction out of nowhere that doesn’t give you enough time to slow down from regularly cruising speed.
a 'signal failure' could be the failure of the track circuit at a critical point, the method used to detect the presence of a train or the failure of the points detection so the signaller would not know which way points were set with affirmative feedback (very dangerous as mis-set points could cause a head on collision)
The vast majority of delays are genuinely signal failures, there’s hundreds of even thousands of them on every line and each one could fail at any time, especially since they’re hard to maintain in busy cramped tunnels. Bulbs can fail, wiring can fray, and computer systems can bug out, and since safety is so hard to assure without proper signalling it really delays everything. It’s not like with cars which can drive around a junction with a failed traffic light just by being slow and careful, if two trains approach each other they cannot stop in time, especially not in dark twisting tunnels.
Goes to show that safety equipment builds complacency. The one that ran the red signal doesn't even seem to care. Anyone that says they "zoned out" shouldn't be operating a vehicle with passengers. Any vehicle.
"Goes to show that safety equipment builds complacency" I suggest you read a book called 'Red for Danger'. That looks at railway operation at early days in Britain. where management took exactly that attitude! It was simply an excuse to not spend money on safety equipment.
In Europe you most likely don't die by passing a red immediately, as most major lines are two track, so the red light is only on, because the train hasn't cleared yet - but as the train is going into the same direction as you, you will not catch it. The last deadly crashes in Germany by the way happened, because the person in the signal box switched the signals for two trains on green, who then met each other on the same track.
“Each Spad is taken seriously...” Mainline driver can look forward to at least 2/3 months suspended (sometimes even longer) with endless interviews and red tape. Former tube driver told me they knew someone who’d had a Spad in the morning and was back out driving in the afternoon. Miranda needs to thank her lucky stars she isn’t a mainline driver otherwise 2 spades in 2 years means that, if she’s lucky, she’d be confined to depot work with 80% pay. Either that or down the road for good...
All of this could be easilyavoided by following this golden rule: Signal, Platform, Signal, Action. In another word, check the signal aspect first, attend the platform duty and close the door, check the signal again before taking power.
This was recorded quite a while ago, the district line trains have changed and the interior of the northern line has also changed, still interesting to see more on what it's like to be a driver on the underground!
No excuses, I have been driving light rail for quite some time now, never hit any pedestrians or vehicles, never had any SPADs, it’s really not hard, it’s not anyone else’s fault if you can’t pay attention.
Not only would that cause 3,929 people to be unemployed, but humans (as of right now) just can't be replaced. Computers can't see issues on the rails, computer's cant tell if staff are going in and out of the train for a long time because of an issue from a passenger, there's things that computers just can't do, computers cant be aware of issues that happen that requires human supervision.
@@nearlyretired7005 Clapham crash wasn't failsafe due to installation error of new signalling and no one noticed. There's several other SPADS on UK railways caused by new signalling going wrong.
At 0:26 that isn't someone I'd ever want to come in contact with let alone have thousands of lives at risk. She is a real piece of work. How could someone that young be so nasty. Companies that have people lives at stake should never hire people under twenty five as it has been determined that the human frontal cortex is not completely developed that that is why young adults take risk. They never believe anything will ever happen to them.
How the hell Miranda even passed her test!? With an attitude like this, she deserved a big ol' kick in a butt out of an office... Manager would probably break his leg buy this but "it's part of his job" I guess...
It was good to hear that the investigation was trying to work out what happened with the SPAD. Only by understanding the “why” and seeing it from the driver’s point of view can an safe system be created. Wielding a safety cosh and disciplinary measures creates a very unsafe system that will kill people.
I’m an ex bus driver and hitting cars is certainly not part of the job. Her stupid statement makes all good bus and coach drivers out there seem like total idiots. Her so what attitude to the SPAD in my opinion is shocking and frightening .
Because they are not fully automatic. They only moving between stations automatically, rest is still done buy drivers. They still have to watch the platform, confirm closing doors, and be ready for emergency break, even though it's probably also automatic, they still need to supervise. It's not like DLR, it's only an automatic driving not an automatic operation.
Is this real or staged? I'm a train driver in Germany and Icould not imagine that a driver gives an interview to a camera crew after a SPAD. I think you would not even be allowed to show it online because of data privacy.
Its definitely part of the job to pass red signals and as a bus driver hit cars, when I have never seen that. She just should accept the mistake that she passed the signal at red, you never see a bus driver hit a car 24/7 so it's ridiculous for her to make that comment.
miranda is acting like a chil, how can they still employer her when she's got a attitute like that. I know for sure that i wouldn't want her as my train driver.
Fun fact, the word 'sweat' and its Germanic cognates look very simillar to the Slavic word for to glow (some variant of 'svetit' depending on the exact language). They are historically not related though, it's a coincidence.
SURELY Miranda should have been sacked... not necessarily for the "mistake" but for the bane ignorance she demonstrated during and after the incident. A very dangerous attitude
I hated that whales attitude about her fault. She should actually have felt sorry, but saying that hitting cars as a bus driver is okay, is not what a person handling so many human lives should be saying.
My partner is a bus driver... He's autistic too... It's part of the job to AVOID incidents happening. Yes they happen, accidents happen, but the attitude she had was not acceptable. Talk about lack of care
They're only diligent because they're _fucking terrified_ www-telegraph-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/08/28/japanese-rail-workers-forced-crouch-tunnel-next-tracks-feel/amp/?amp_js_v=a2&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQECAFYAQ%3D%3D#aoh=15436514116945&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fnews%2F2018%2F08%2F28%2Fjapanese-rail-workers-forced-crouch-tunnel-next-tracks-feel%2F
a SPAD certainly can kill people, the crash at Potters Bar was caused by a SPAD.. safety systems like AWS and TPWS do improve safety significantly, but in the case of urban stations and junctions where the block sections and overlaps can be very short a train at line speed may well be unable to stop in the overlap and cause a conflicting movement resulting in a crash. AWS (Automatic Warning System) will only apply the brakes to stop the train once it actually passes the signal at danger, TWPS (Train Protection & Warning System) supervises the deceleration of the train once a preceding cautionary signal is passed and if insufficient or no braking is applied by the driver the TWPS takes over and brings the train to a stand. Though TPWS is not fitted throughout the rail network, AWS is.
@@tech4pros1 i think you mean Ladbroke Grove, which was caused by the relatively new driver going through a red light. Potters Bar was a dodgy set of points. Same very tragic outcome though..
Because of the responsibility for the safety of up to 1,000 passengers, there's no place for a second-rate driver. I'm sure that they were under pressure to hire more women drivers, but they should hire only fully qualified ones with the right attitude. Apparently the job pays well, and it should, so there should be enough candidates, and if most of them are men that's the way it will have to be. This is definitely the wrong job for Miranda!
@@jeffluo8960 I'm sorry, I'm well aware that this was made months ago but this comment is really disgusting. Bob wasn't say that Miranda is a bad driver because she is a woman, Bob only mentioned the gender because this video specifically states that they company was pressured to hire females at the time. She is shown to not care about how her mistakes can negatively impact not only her but those around her and to get defensive when she makes said mistake. Her mistake could've done a lot of damage had the safety measure not worked and her attitude towards this repeated mistake is horrible. Are there men that can be just as reckless if not more so? Yes. Does that mean that you can use that as a reason to justify her misconduct? No! She was a bad driver due to her own accord, not because of some sexist system.
Back in the USSR, SPAD was considered a major crime after which one you'll go to jail, and after that you can never be a train driver again. Today... well it's the same, except for jail part, you just get fired straight away... Though on bright side it's really hard to do a SPAD cause train gets tripped at signal before the red one (we have green > green and yellow > two yellows > one yellow > red and yellow (where train gets tripped) > red (after which one you go to jail :D )) So only way to pass a red signal is to override train signaling systems, which obviously is not allowed. So in Russia Miranda probably still would've worked here without any questions asked... unfortunately... (Even though passing red and yellow is not really an end of the world, you reset train yourself and continue driving after signal opens, it would be suspicious if she passed it multiple times in a row, so she's probably would've been transferred to a cleaning stuff...) P.S. god, even her face looks like "pfft i don't care, fuck off... i guess..."
@Uzbek Traveller I didn't know that. In Russia it's not, you just get fired for negligence (which is bad, you can't really find a good job with this mark in your job history). On the other hand if SPAD caused casualties then of course it's a crime. But I think it's a thing everywhere on the world
Looks like the whole Train Stop system was designed into the LU network specifically to prevent drivers like her from causing serious collisions. Unfortunately the byproduct of that is this lackadaisical nonchalant attitude that passing a right light is no big deal. We really are all human - professional and qualified people can make mistakes. But the attitude is your warning about whether they will learn from that. This girl seems to be treating it like she accidentally ran a red light in a car on a side-street.
Neither of these ladies seems to take their job very serious but wth, this is the world we now live in. One doesn't give a $hit about safety and the other one acts like she's always on the verge of throwing up. How comforting.
The mainline DOES have 'automatic train protection' It's called TPWS (train protection warning system) and it's had it for over 20yrs I know because I am a 'mainline' Train Driver
Aside from the point about calling train stops or TPWS "automatic train protection", TPWS is much newer (and would have been under implementation at the time this was shot, it's probably AWS you're thinking of) and, unlike train stops on LU, isn't present at all stop signals either.
Blobby McSweat-a-lot.......Second time passed a red light, why not try for number three love, and this time whack it into anothertrain just to be sure.
Her attitude is terrible, and she should under NO circumstances be allowed to drive a train. Why did her supervisors not note how clearly indifferent she was to being called out for the SPAD? She sounded like a child being caught doing something wrong with the " No big deal" attitude.
"I was lost in my little own planet" is something that you NEVER want to hear from who's driving your train or your bus or flying your plane. Anyone can make mistakes but, no offence meant, the way she dealt with it afterwards, the "so I was distracted, so what, no one died" attitude makes me think she was picked for the wrong job.
This is TfL, they don't care, the staff least of all. It's the last closed shop in Britain, and they don't recruit from outside, only internally, because of union pressure. Read the report on the King's Cross fire and the station staff down for half-hour breaks who took an hour and a half. The convenience of their overpaid staff is their only concern.
@@WilliamSmith-mx6ze Lol....I guess you missed the part where they mentioned a recruitment drive for females and a ad being taken out in cosmopolitan magazine"6000 applied only 120 got jobs". That girl was not professional but i doubt it would matter what job she was in...plus I think the cameras made her spaz out alittle.
Yeah, she seemed to have a problem with taking ownership of her mistake.
This is where I lost my support. I know it's an old documentary, but I am 200 miles north of this mayhem.
I think what a lot of people seem to forget is that if you are driving the same bit of railway line over and over again day after day it becomes very very easy to get complacent.
“I used to be a bus driver, if you hit cars it’s part of the job”. Takes the same approach with trains then I see.
Seem to recall that she didn't actually hit anything? Unless I was 'on planet Laszlo'.
I think she was trying to say that it’s a hazard or risk of the job, not necessarily a casual thing that happens.
she thinks shes playing GTA, LOL :-D
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Everybody makes mistakes we are not robots.. I caused delays but at least no one died.. she has a crap attitude
I'm a pilot, I sometimes crash the plane but that's part of the job
Lmao
omg😂
Ah yes, i remember skidding across the damn runway on a wet rainy day
All in a days work
Lolll
Miranda needs an attitude adjustment and to stop being so defensive. Accept you made a dangerous mistake, apologize and stress that you will do your utmost to make sure it doesn't happen again. You, my dear, are an extremely unpleasant person. I'm really surprised you were hired. Someone made a big mistake.
Not in TfL. If you're staff, deny all responsibility, deny all problems, and the union will back you up in Britain's last closed shop. Not my fault, you can't sack me. This is how the King's Cross fire happened and 30 years later they're just the same.
So lie, which is what you are saying. Pretending you ended the world would make you seem desperate, and show that your job is all you care about so you are giving what you think they want.
She was a realist, accepted what she actually did, and was honest about it and reality of how it happened. The part of it not being as bad as it could is a good thing, and something she very much should be focusing on so she can move on. She wasn't bullshitting crocodile tears to show how much it "really means" - I know which one I would trust to carry on and make the adjustments needed.
Maybe she should go back to crashing buses into cars
Does she still work for underground ?
@@forza223bowe5 I wouldn't be surprised. They have quotas to fill.
Miranda is dreadful. Made two dangerous mistakes in as many years, held up a load of people, and just responded with "we're not robots, everyone makes mistakes". Terrible attitude on her.
Agreed ...I live in Victoria bc Canada we don't have this kind of transport...we have the bus..and a couple days ago for some reason the driver of a bus full of university students decided to drive down a dangerous logging road at night and in bad weather. Driver lost control and rolled the bus down a cliff killing students and injuring many and instead of the driver admitting they made a horrific mistake the driver said traffic was heavy leaving victoria....which is nonsense since the logging road was hours away from victoria and would take longer to get to where they were going than taking a proper road! This poor excuse for a driver and her attitude over what she'd done ..saying no one died ..is disgusting just coz no one died doesn't make it less of a careless mistake coz like the bus driver here...her careless actions will one day cause an accident in which people will get hurt and possibly killed...Miranda is selfish and uncaring
@@jennygreber7176 at least you have the skytrain nearby. No SPADs because it’s automatic. Definitely one of my favorite metro systems(coming from someone in Seattle)
She was sacked not long after
@@JoeyBatman888 good, she’s a typical woman “nothing is my fault” or “well I didn’t mean to do it”
@@JoeyBatman888Where’s your source for this?
Driver Matilda seemed to act like a petulant child when her manager expressed the importance of abiding signals after her spad.
Yeah would be better to admit mistake of assuming points cleared the signal. It's not dissimilar to "ding ding and away" that caused the Scotland train head on crashes in the 90s.
I agree it summed it up when she said the positive is the salary
James Gray She reminds me of Eric Cartman from South Park.
She's got the WRONG attitude!
I was more bothered with her saying "it's a downside of a the job, like hitting cars as a bus driver."
Wow. Just wow. It wasn't even a case of accidentally missing a signal, she outright forgot to check the signals before driving off. She can't even argue that wasn't completely avoidable.
"I'm a teacher. Sometimes you hit the kids...its part of the job."
On planet Miranda.
Well it used to be that way... especially Catholic boarding school phew
Bro, in Africa, it really is, no joke.
That driver who passed the signals attitude annoys me much more than the mistake she made..
female, blond, caucasian.... she'll get a pass.
@@The-Cat 🤔Unless they have parallel park..😅Problem now days is recruitment straight off the street anyone can pass an exam if can remember and answer questions like a 🦜🤔Maybe a good idea to put a 🟢P plate on the front so passengers can decide to wait for the next train 😏Wheres before you come up through the grades with some railway operating🛤 experience
"I'm a prison guard, sometimes I let criminals escape but thats part of the job"
That woman driver Joe turned red as an ripe apple when she called her brother to tell him she passed the drivers test, I can tell under it all she is a sweet girl and this embarrassed her a bit. I have a feeling she was a tough cookie at one time in her life and things like praise makes her feel uneasy because she hasn't had enough of it grown up. Maybe I'm wrong but that's my read on her,,, Great job Joe, Congratulations
Same. I hope this last 18 years has been nice to her
Passing a stop signal is a fireable offense in US and is an automatic decertification on our railroads lol. I'm in training right now for a major north east railroad and even if you just graduated the class and run a stop signal, they have no remorse. You're out of service or fired depending on how bad you messed up and you're definitely fired if it happens again wether you breached it by an inch or a mile.
I drive a fuel tanker for a living and it can be a very cut throat industry, one small error can easily cost me my job. To think this person ran a red signal and then give a load of attitude AND not severely penalised is crazy.
Have you lost your job yet or are you still pretending that you'll never make a mistake? I can't imagine going to a job every day that is so ruthlessly unforgiving, which is why I don't haul fuel.
Do you hit cars, given that's apparently part of the job?
@thebluewhale8891 Only just seen you're comments 4 years later! Yes still hauling fuel, albeit for a different, much better employer.
@@RBenjo21 Touch wood i haven't yet!
She should have been fired for that, that was ridiculous.
Who? And for what?
cgbowser yeah the spadding bastard
@cgbowser TPWS has been rolled out on the mainline since this was filmed.
@cgbowser They are similar in a way but TPWS also trips if a train is speeding past a signal or over a certain area.
@cgbowser DLR have robot train drivers, but they have human guards.
Thats really concerning with the lack of responsibility for the SPAD. Yes people make mistakes, but also safety systems do fail as well, you can't just say 'oh its ok if the trigger gets hit the brakes automatically apply' thats how complacency leads to one of those 'one in a million' fatal crashes, the emergency brakes should be used as a last resort not as an oops it happens thing.
Definitely safer to drive into London when there's train and bus drivers like this "you hit cars, it's part of the job" and "so what, no one died" WTF?!
The following day was like:
-You cutting whell on me you little scumbag?! Get this!
-Miranda you're on a train!
-I don't care, it's part of a job...
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No it's not,you fool
The driver who SPAD certainly didn't feel me with confidence with that attitude. If I see her approaching my train, I will happily wait for the next one.
Well, at least you can see her coming from a long way off. You could see her from space!
Nilguiri funnily enough had to use the District line to get to my Christmas Party. Made sure to look carefully at who was driving the train before I got on lol. Even coming home after a good few pints I made sure to check.
@@stepheno21
haha, I don't blame you! I wouldn't trust her as far as I could throw her. (which is not very far!) Cheers.
"I'm a boat driver, we usually smash into each other but that's just part of the job"
I really hope Miranda is no longer a train driver. Awful attitude. People can get killed because of a SPAD. Unbelievable!!
Nobody would be killed, the signal trips and emergency brakes apply
@@forza223bowe5 It still causes unnecessary delays though.
EVILBUNNY28 Eventually the whole line is going ATO or automatically driven, so the computer controls the signalling
Forza223 Bowe They could because it can be right in front of a junction and another trains coming brakes might no stop it in time
The line went to ATC in the 2010s, when they introduced the new stock. As you see, this documentation of the beginning of the 2000s has still the old stock (even in only white delivery). Nowadays on the district line not the driver drives the train, but the train drives the driver :D
Maranda should be sacked. What a shocking attitude
She wont because the in-stream of drivers is lower than the outflow
Now a manager
@@denfitzpatrick5988 Is she more professional nowadays ?
@@matthewsmith2787 she’s not on my line
union rep on the district lmao
This channel is very underrated! Enjoy every single video you upload thoroughly :)
Me too.
It's re uploaded. It was originally broadcast on ITV
"You hit cars, it's part of the job" Jesus, never let this women drive in public transport again.
Totally shocked about the woman's attitude when she passed a stop light. So as a train driver you have people's lives in your hand, so not paying attention when at the helm of a train, is not a situation where you go "Oh well I am human and make mistake" imagine if her gastric bypass surgeon said "I'll do my best not to kill you but I am only human and mistakes happen" bloody want to avoid her train. Is there any way of finding out the train driver's name?
21:52. Jo certainly polished up her PA voice for that announcement!
thats the pre programmed announcement
@@codelyokofanful r/wooosh
I know from Dutch train drivers, that if they pass 2 times a red light, they are fired. This lady should be fired, not suitable for the job.
You mean dutch main line train engineers.
Most railway companies you get fired after causing a SPAD, no argues they say. Beside that she was interupting her instructeur with "I am not a robot". A bit strange reaction. Good luck with her.
Not always as there's youtube videos of drivers sharing their experiences of SPADS for various reasons still in the job.
Some have led to rules being updated.
Yes, though the company has spent a lot getting them trained and experienced... better to salvage the employee if you can. Make them watch a graphic video train incident if necessary.
Railway companies say three SPADS in a whole career I've heard and can sack you after one. I dunno if it's true but I've heard London underground driver's are allowed 2 SPADS every year!!
I believe it depends on the reason for a SPAD - after all, you could have the signal be thrown back in your face three seconds before passing it leaving you no time to stop. I have had about five SPADs - one of which was my fault, two were signal failures and two were caused by the bobby incorrectly reverting the signal... Each time there was a full investigation and lessons learnt - only put on the carpet for my own mistake - not the other four
I agree with the 3 strike rule but it isn't set in stone. It depends on the severity of the SPAD, or any incident. Also who you work for.
16:09 "A lot of the operators have now seen it half-a-dozen times. At least."
WHAT!? Seriously? More than two signal violations should be a permanent employment termination.
Yeah but you gotta keep in mind they didn't necessarily watch it all those times because they had a signal violation. Its probably part of the training before they are allowed to drive with supervision, Or they could be made to watch it at some other random time, like when someone else gets a SPAD. I can't tell you how many times I've had nothing real to do at work and the boss made me watch a training video.
In the railway industry, in particular the safety critical roles, such as tube driver. They have to watch these videos usually every year or 3 years (not 100% sure). So the guys comments is more about this rather than the drivers having to watch it a dozen times due to spading dozen times.
@@mchagnon7 yeah, and also signals can fail. That's happen an awful lot on LU for some reason. It's also a SPAD but it's not a driver's fault if a signal is failed...
It usually is a serious punishment but there are situations where it’s less serious, if they were pressured to run fast to keep schedule, or if a signal was hard to see, or a signal bulb failed, or even some where the train just slightly overshot a signal even though they hit the brakes. There’s also other reasons to watch it outside of actually causing a SPAD yourself, such as generic training.
She made the classic error that we’re all warned about - hearing the points thrown and not checking the signal before winding up. Her attitude is terrible
I wouldn't had allowed Miranda to keep driving
Koppa Dasao ...or keep eating, either! 😄🤭
@@wishkid79 That was low...
But oh well, i'm curious about your mother
"Positive is the salary, negative are these problems" or in simpler words i like the money i dont really care about trains or bothered to learn about them a lot just enough for anjob and passing red is not that big of a danger as the emergency breaks will just kick in:) hope shes no longer employed by tfl jheez.
Well, to excuse her, there is a reason, why London Transport calls them drivers and not engineers: They ONLY have to drive the train. Everything technical is done by other personal, qualified for it. Unlike train engineers on main lines the drivers at London Underground don't know how a train really works - they only need to drive it properly. And on many lines already they only have to push two buttons and the train does the rest.
@@acmenipponair No operator in the UK calls them "engineers", that is an American term and has no relevance to the actual job role.
Visited London in March/April 2018, and used the Tube extensively. I was impressed with its infrastructure and the skill of its drivers.
It genuinely is impressive, most people don’t realise just how difficult it is to drive a train, especially a tube train in a dark tunnel. I recently started learning how to drive simulators and it’s really difficult even in them, especially precise stopping on platforms and remembering where the speed limits are, it’s shockingly common to get a sudden speed restriction out of nowhere that doesn’t give you enough time to slow down from regularly cruising speed.
Great to see another episode, and unfortunately one about how easy it is to have a small lapse in focus that triggers something far larger!
Do wonder how many times the reason for a delay is given as signal failure when it actually was the result of a serious driver error.
a 'signal failure' could be the failure of the track circuit at a critical point, the method used to detect the presence of a train or the failure of the points detection so the signaller would not know which way points were set with affirmative feedback (very dangerous as mis-set points could cause a head on collision)
It's a bit like wondering if the side that won the war made up stories about how the other side attacked first, tortured, pillaged etc.
The vast majority of delays are genuinely signal failures, there’s hundreds of even thousands of them on every line and each one could fail at any time, especially since they’re hard to maintain in busy cramped tunnels. Bulbs can fail, wiring can fray, and computer systems can bug out, and since safety is so hard to assure without proper signalling it really delays everything. It’s not like with cars which can drive around a junction with a failed traffic light just by being slow and careful, if two trains approach each other they cannot stop in time, especially not in dark twisting tunnels.
The SPAD driver attitude is disgusting
Agreed.
Jo Drummend has certainly showed what she is made off and proved that she can be great driver, 100/100 for her!
Goes to show that safety equipment builds complacency. The one that ran the red signal doesn't even seem to care. Anyone that says they "zoned out" shouldn't be operating a vehicle with passengers. Any vehicle.
vex-nh so.... should the safety equipment be taken away then??
"Goes to show that safety equipment builds complacency"
I suggest you read a book called 'Red for Danger'. That looks at railway operation at early days in Britain. where management took exactly that attitude!
It was simply an excuse to not spend money on safety equipment.
That woman is lucky. Pass a red here in the U.S. you immediately get terminated. If you live, that is...
In Europe you most likely don't die by passing a red immediately, as most major lines are two track, so the red light is only on, because the train hasn't cleared yet - but as the train is going into the same direction as you, you will not catch it.
The last deadly crashes in Germany by the way happened, because the person in the signal box switched the signals for two trains on green, who then met each other on the same track.
True that.
“Each Spad is taken seriously...”
Mainline driver can look forward to at least 2/3 months suspended (sometimes even longer) with endless interviews and red tape.
Former tube driver told me they knew someone who’d had a Spad in the morning and was back out driving in the afternoon.
Miranda needs to thank her lucky stars she isn’t a mainline driver otherwise 2 spades in 2 years means that, if she’s lucky, she’d be confined to depot work with 80% pay. Either that or down the road for good...
4:00 Remember back in the days in which everyone had a book, the newspaper, a magazine, etc. on the train? Nostalgia...
the tox.02 spray paint was nastalgic af
@@martbernie9113 lol I remember the tox thing
Words you don't want to hear from your driver after going through a red light: "I was in little planet Miranda", "I didn't really check the signal"
She said she went into auto pilot. Surely that means she does all the correct checks including the light
All of this could be easilyavoided by following this golden rule: Signal, Platform, Signal, Action. In another word, check the signal aspect first, attend the platform duty and close the door, check the signal again before taking power.
This was recorded quite a while ago, the district line trains have changed and the interior of the northern line has also changed, still interesting to see more on what it's like to be a driver on the underground!
As a Driver I can say it is not part of the job... It's a mistake, A error on her part. Just own it.
No excuses, I have been driving light rail for quite some time now, never hit any pedestrians or vehicles, never had any SPADs, it’s really not hard, it’s not anyone else’s fault if you can’t pay attention.
You are so arrogant and self righteous aren't you wonderful.
So happy for Jo, can't believe she has been in the job now for 21 years
Jo Drummend is one driver I would like to work with....she seems very professional....the other lady, um yeah....she should be suspended.....
Agree.
Kaka Svensson & Co Both drivers are unprofessional. I wonder if they still drive trains today ?
1:41 imagine he dropped them keys down onto the track throught the gap
Spad’s are way more common than many people think. With more lines going automatic, it will be a thing of the past
Until a computer fails and you get a tragic spad
Not only would that cause 3,929 people to be unemployed, but humans (as of right now) just can't be replaced. Computers can't see issues on the rails, computer's cant tell if staff are going in and out of the train for a long time because of an issue from a passenger, there's things that computers just can't do, computers cant be aware of issues that happen that requires human supervision.
@@vincitveritas3872
Failsafe system!
You are technically ignorant!
@@nearlyretired7005 Clapham crash wasn't failsafe due to installation error of new signalling and no one noticed.
There's several other SPADS on UK railways caused by new signalling going wrong.
@@vincitveritas3872 Well yes,but this is rare.
Most fail safe systems work successfully!
Belated Congratulations 😀 to Jo for passing her test..
Her attitude omggg couldnt stand that...
That SPAD video was pretty terrifying
The spad vid was so dramatic
Limee Gaming yeh I was like do they want to give them PTSD or what. 😂😂
But that is literally what will happen if you ignore the signals. Unless you have some automatic brakes in the system or something.
At 0:26 that isn't someone I'd ever want to come in contact with let alone have thousands of lives at risk. She is a real piece of work. How could someone that young be so nasty. Companies that have people lives at stake should never hire people under twenty five as it has been determined that the human frontal cortex is not completely developed that that is why young adults take risk. They never believe anything will ever happen to them.
Whose train would you rather catch, Jo's on "Sweat Day" or Miranda's with two year's of experience?
Jo
How the hell Miranda even passed her test!? With an attitude like this, she deserved a big ol' kick in a butt out of an office... Manager would probably break his leg buy this but "it's part of his job" I guess...
It was good to hear that the investigation was trying to work out what happened with the SPAD. Only by understanding the “why” and seeing it from the driver’s point of view can an safe system be created. Wielding a safety cosh and disciplinary measures creates a very unsafe system that will kill people.
I’m an ex bus driver and hitting cars is certainly not part of the job. Her stupid statement makes all good bus and coach drivers out there seem like total idiots. Her so what attitude to the SPAD in my opinion is shocking and frightening .
Now northern line trains are automatic, but they still have drivers.
Because they are not fully automatic. They only moving between stations automatically, rest is still done buy drivers. They still have to watch the platform, confirm closing doors, and be ready for emergency break, even though it's probably also automatic, they still need to supervise. It's not like DLR, it's only an automatic driving not an automatic operation.
well, I'm just saying, most of the work is automated
I’m from New York and never been to London nor am I making plans to go
Why am I so hooked on these videos???
sir topham hat was angry with the driver you have caused confusion and delay!
This comment is glorious
@@mikeoas I forgot I made this comment thank you
Is this real or staged? I'm a train driver in Germany and Icould not imagine that a driver gives an interview to a camera crew after a SPAD. I think you would not even be allowed to show it online because of data privacy.
Real, she won't be fired because unions and is a protected class.
Its definitely part of the job to pass red signals and as a bus driver hit cars, when I have never seen that. She just should accept the mistake that she passed the signal at red, you never see a bus driver hit a car 24/7 so it's ridiculous for her to make that comment.
Why do they select underachievers for such an important job! At least have the right attitude and mindset.
miranda is acting like a chil, how can they still employer her when she's got a attitute like that. I know for sure that i wouldn't want her as my train driver.
18.55.. 'you wont do that again will you Miranda' .... silence. She could not care less regardless. She is a liability.
YES ! Moustache station manager is up next time!
"Horses sweat, men perspire, ladies only glow."
I was thinking that. I love Birds Of. Feather and I remember Dorian saying that to Sharon.
Fun fact, the word 'sweat' and its Germanic cognates look very simillar to the Slavic word for to glow (some variant of 'svetit' depending on the exact language). They are historically not related though, it's a coincidence.
SURELY Miranda should have been sacked... not necessarily for the "mistake" but for the bane ignorance she demonstrated during and after the incident. A very dangerous attitude
I hated that whales attitude about her fault. She should actually have felt sorry, but saying that hitting cars as a bus driver is okay, is not what a person handling so many human lives should be saying.
No need for name calling
So "many human lives" you mean, "so much human lives" sounds like you're struggling.
@@MarkStringer96 so it doesnt matter to you that that whale could have KILLED PEOPLE
My partner is a bus driver... He's autistic too... It's part of the job to AVOID incidents happening. Yes they happen, accidents happen, but the attitude she had was not acceptable. Talk about lack of care
22:12 thats a Bakerloo line train coming out of South Kenton, not the Northern line train she's driving
it’s filler film, film that’s taken to fill the gaps, they aren’t going to hold her train to go get every different angle of her train
Compare this to the Alertness and Diligence of the Japanese train operators.
I would be *terrified* to board a train in UK after seeing this.
They're only diligent because they're _fucking terrified_
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Wuss.
Marvin Kitfox just one word: Amagasaki
she had a real immature unprofessional attitude.
a SPAD certainly can kill people, the crash at Potters Bar was caused by a SPAD.. safety systems like AWS and TPWS do improve safety significantly, but in the case of urban stations and junctions where the block sections and overlaps can be very short a train at line speed may well be unable to stop in the overlap and cause a conflicting movement resulting in a crash. AWS (Automatic Warning System) will only apply the brakes to stop the train once it actually passes the signal at danger, TWPS (Train Protection & Warning System) supervises the deceleration of the train once a preceding cautionary signal is passed and if insufficient or no braking is applied by the driver the TWPS takes over and brings the train to a stand. Though TPWS is not fitted throughout the rail network, AWS is.
@@tech4pros1 i think you mean Ladbroke Grove, which was caused by the relatively new driver going through a red light. Potters Bar was a dodgy set of points. Same very tragic outcome though..
“I’m a firefighter, I sometimes let buildings stay on fire. It’s part of the job.”
Nah I only clicked cos the thumbnail had me creasing 😂
Because of the responsibility for the safety of up to 1,000 passengers, there's no place for a second-rate driver. I'm sure that they were under pressure to hire more women drivers, but they should hire only fully qualified ones with the right attitude. Apparently the job pays well, and it should, so there should be enough candidates, and if most of them are men that's the way it will have to be. This is definitely the wrong job for Miranda!
Bob Rogers as if a male driver haven’t derailed a high speed train by hurling it through a corner at 110 mph when the speed limit is 50
@@jeffluo8960 I'm sorry, I'm well aware that this was made months ago but this comment is really disgusting. Bob wasn't say that Miranda is a bad driver because she is a woman, Bob only mentioned the gender because this video specifically states that they company was pressured to hire females at the time.
She is shown to not care about how her mistakes can negatively impact not only her but those around her and to get defensive when she makes said mistake. Her mistake could've done a lot of damage had the safety measure not worked and her attitude towards this repeated mistake is horrible. Are there men that can be just as reckless if not more so? Yes. Does that mean that you can use that as a reason to justify her misconduct? No!
She was a bad driver due to her own accord, not because of some sexist system.
People watching a program about public transport are pretty much guaranteed to have a positive opinion on it
Back in the USSR, SPAD was considered a major crime after which one you'll go to jail, and after that you can never be a train driver again. Today... well it's the same, except for jail part, you just get fired straight away... Though on bright side it's really hard to do a SPAD cause train gets tripped at signal before the red one (we have green > green and yellow > two yellows > one yellow > red and yellow (where train gets tripped) > red (after which one you go to jail :D )) So only way to pass a red signal is to override train signaling systems, which obviously is not allowed. So in Russia Miranda probably still would've worked here without any questions asked... unfortunately...
(Even though passing red and yellow is not really an end of the world, you reset train yourself and continue driving after signal opens, it would be suspicious if she passed it multiple times in a row, so she's probably would've been transferred to a cleaning stuff...)
P.S. god, even her face looks like "pfft i don't care, fuck off... i guess..."
@Uzbek Traveller I didn't know that. In Russia it's not, you just get fired for negligence (which is bad, you can't really find a good job with this mark in your job history). On the other hand if SPAD caused casualties then of course it's a crime. But I think it's a thing everywhere on the world
Planet Miranda: I’m a truck driver, sometimes I drive into rivers but it’s part of the job.
Looks like the whole Train Stop system was designed into the LU network specifically to prevent drivers like her from causing serious collisions. Unfortunately the byproduct of that is this lackadaisical nonchalant attitude that passing a right light is no big deal.
We really are all human - professional and qualified people can make mistakes. But the attitude is your warning about whether they will learn from that. This girl seems to be treating it like she accidentally ran a red light in a car on a side-street.
Miranda doesnt seem to grasp the seriousness of her mistake...yeah thank god for those automatic stops
Neither of these ladies seems to take their job very serious but wth, this is the world we now live in. One doesn't give a $hit about safety and the other one acts like she's always on the verge of throwing up. How comforting.
It's a sin that she's nervous?
How the fuck did Miranda even pass the interview for the job in the first place? Unbelievable!
Miranda used to drive Buses, wonder if they fired her for driving through Red lights.
Probably for hitting too many cars.
"Miranda" _has_ to be an actor lol
No wonder she didn't seem to take her mistake seriously. Her own 'supervisor' looked like he wanted to laugh.
Jo is adorable
The mainline DOES have 'automatic train protection' It's called TPWS (train protection warning system) and it's had it for over 20yrs I know because I am a 'mainline' Train Driver
Aside from the point about calling train stops or TPWS "automatic train protection", TPWS is much newer (and would have been under implementation at the time this was shot, it's probably AWS you're thinking of) and, unlike train stops on LU, isn't present at all stop signals either.
Oh my god. If that was at my TOC she would have been sacked for the second SPAD. Her attitude absolutely stinks.
Blobby McSweat-a-lot.......Second time passed a red light, why not try for number three love, and this time whack it into anothertrain just to be sure.
In NYC, there is no concept of smooth breaking
Is there smooth braking though?
Occasionally, but typically, trains go 30MPH until halfway through the platform then use all of the brakes
@@patmeaden Oh dear😂😂
Well, on the automatic lines the London trains are also quite drastic in their computerized driving :D
If you ride the 7 or L, you can feel the CBTC feathering the throttle every second to keep the speed constant
Clicked the thumbnail because I thought it was Trailer Park Boys "Bubbles".
Omg I did too I love trailer park boys and bubbles he's my fav! People thought Julien was but nope its Bubbles for me!
Her attitude is terrible, and she should under NO circumstances be allowed to drive a train.
Why did her supervisors not note how clearly indifferent she was to being called out for the SPAD?
She sounded like a child being caught doing something wrong with the " No big deal" attitude.
18:30 - “everyone makes mistakes, we’re not robots”, TFL is planning to replace train drivers with software so hopefully it will become safer.
No they're not,you fool
She has learning difficulties....now works for ATC at Heathrow....
Paul Tyreman wouldn’t like that SPAD.
Christ Miranda is gonna end up killing someone if she is still driving, attitude of a killer💀
don't worry it can happen anywhere where there's railways as long as you learn from your mistakes and don't do it again
I'm sorry, I believe its pronounced "chewb"!
Geoff Marshall fan?
9:28 how can i trust a train driver when she dont even put on her safety belt when driving?
LOL