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I also wish someone would look at how in most cop shows and movies, the internal affairs department is *always* the enemy, just looking to throw honest cops under the bus and being overly pedantic about treatment of suspects etc. Never once have I seen a fictional cop go 'Yea, they serve a really important function in keeping us honest and they're the best of us'. It's always 'They're rats'.
This is something I've noticed in all law enforcement shows. Whoever the protagonist is will be right, and the other agency will be wrong. Cop show, "Well the big ol' FBI man is hear to show us poor detectives how to solve a murder." FBI show, "These cops just want to mark their territory, pack of dogs." Politicians and criminals are susceptible to it too, but they tend to have the capacity for more ambiguous morality for their main characters.
They are also usually corrupt in a way that invalidates all their criticism of the main character's bad actions. Other movies even rely on this preconceived notion against I.A. investigators to use them as missdirect badguys, because they know audiences will automatically misstrust them.
If memory serves me right, then I think Elementary actually talked a little bit about this. Not technically a cop show, but cop side character Marcus Bell dealt with dating someone from internal affairs and dealing with his own fears and insecurities and biases that she was there to "rat out good cops". I don't remember the conclusion of this, but at least they talked about it and she wasn't portrayed to be a shifty character there to rat people out but rather a good person just trying to make things better. I even think Bell was offered a job at internal affairs from it?
I understand how you feel about the king kong on the scary movie 4 poster because there was no garfield in this video despite being prominently featured in the thumbnail
Also, here is a cop media critique I have heard. So so many cop shows SHOW (or so heavily imply it’s obvious) you who committed the crime, so ANYTHING is justified to get them arrested. The cops NEVER have a thought “What if we got the wrong man”.
Weren't they wrong in Life On Mars? Didn't watch that often so I ain't sure. Dexter killed people and in Weeds her son ended up being a corrupt cop, seemed oddly realistic efter Ferguson and blm
I like how The Shield flipped this by having the audience fully aware at times that the characters had the wrong guy, and having to watch as they went through with all the terrible shit fully believing in the righteousness of their cause.
My mom and I started watching Columbo (a show we watched together when I was a kid) again. It's kind of remarkable how he solves the cases using only his wits and at no point mistreats even the suspects. He even declared in one of the last episodes we watched that he refused to carry a gun. Also, all the murderers are wealthy or academic elites who believe themselves above consequences. I don't know if this type of cop show was typical for the late sixties/seventies, but it is unique for today.
Great video, and I think there's also a problem with the depiction of criminals as sub human. There is and has been a distinct attitude of "they deserve what's coming to them", I mean look at the prevelance of prison r* jokes.
Not to mention if a big movie needs an obvious bad guy just have someone with a big scar or a limp or an obvious foreign heritage (including accent) turn up.
Pop Culture Detective has an episode on "Sexual Assalt of Men Played for Laughs", if you haven't seen that, it deals with prison r* jokes too if I remember correctly.
The entire penal system is based on the notion that sin deserves punishment, regardless of whether that punishment is fair or reduces crime. I mean, without getting into private prisons and their desire *not* to reduce crime, crimes like drugs, prostitution, theft, and poverty are seen not as a symptom of a problem. When a "criminal" gets raped, "they had it coming".
@@theomcinturff1213 Its also used in a grotesquely wholesale manner. No matter how violent or brutal the terrible event the "criminal" suffer is adequate, just on the condition of them being "criminals", regardless of what their crime actually was.
9:57 "but seeing that in the real world just immediatly made doing it not fun anymore." This remind of someone comment about "over the top capitalist corporations in video game". Where they explained it used to be fun when peoples thought that was a line that was never going to be crossed, that you'll never get an Hyperion or cyberpunk megacorp, but now that company do it and sometime worse, it just feel annoying and boring. You're just being reminded of the real world instead of escaping it.
Alternatively, it can make certain things ridiculous/funny when they were supposed to be serious. I'm not American, but I remember seeing a fair few movies and shows where the president was under threat and it was very serious, almost like the country would greatly suffer if the nefarious villains managed to pull off this assassination or whatever it was. Now, it's not like I'm picturing those president characters as Trump, but his being president just ruins all of those narratives because it's so clear that the role really isn't what it's cracked up to be.
They will look the same. Maybe one episode where a bad cop is punished because he arrested a black man who was a 100% innocent, a working father of 5 smart kids with a hard working wife and nice house. They will pat themselves on the back and apologise to the black dude who will forgive them. And thats it.
i haven't been able to watch cop or military media without feeling really uncomfortable for a long time, this was a much better deconstruction of why than i'd bothered to think about. now i have to rewatch Brass Eye, though.
i hate cop and military media too. it's so uncomfortable to watch the justification and glorification of taking lives. it was never a fight for freedom it was just for the thrill
Honestly was so deeply affected by everything that happened 2019 onward that i cant even fuckin enjoy Megaman X (the storyline) on the same level I used to.
Every time I see “ACAB” my mind just immediately says “Assigned Cop At Birth” which tbh the kinds of people that sign up to become cops... yeah it’s usually true.
I know ACAB as a slogan has the weight of history behind it, but I've been tagging my anti-cop posts with "All Cops Are Cowards" because of the constant 'bluh bluh i was afraid for my life' excuses they pull after murdering people.
"Cops being bombastically violent/inappropriate is funny" jokes have a very similar energy to "If my kid ever tells me they're gay, I'm going to throw them... a coming-out party, and tell them I love them!" -type jokes. AKA: "Ha ha, you thought I was going to be bigoted and potentially violent, but I'm not actually. Made you flinch" or "Ha ha, wouldn't it be fucked up if people really acted like that?" Both of which aren't... the best punchlines ever.
I am telling as a person of color.. The cops around here has amplified my issues with anxiety. I once was awakened to 6 cops pointing guns on me.. (My brother unknowingly messaged a girl that lied about her age to him and was actually 17. They never met in person.) So.. They didnt even bothered to knock when they came... They ordered us to get out of house very early in the morning.. Luckily my brother woke me up.. Because there was a fuckin riot squad there.. Keep in mind.. Its just me and my brother.. No criminal history but we live in low income housing sooo.. Anyways they handcuffed me.. They didnt give us a chance to tie up our dog so an officer got beaten and did they whole water works in front of the dude in command.. (We had to pay her medical bills btw) anyways.. Since i have this acute fear of dying and the fact that i was held in gun point by a bunch of cops. It really fucked me up.. I got a bunch of other "incidents" with the local police.. I never been charged for any crime but im a poor hispanic so i must be up something bad... Oh yeah.. There was a time the police thought i broke into a car which was in fact.. My car.. I had to fuckin prove to them that it was under my name and whatnot.. The police is really making it very difficult to give them any respect.. Really fuckin difficult..
But now my mind is at ease.. Thanks to white wealthy conservatives who claim racism is not an issue.. Oh.. Thank god.. I seriously thought i always targeted because of my skin color.. My bad!
Thank you for sharing this. As a non American white person I was shocked at the brutality that lead to the protests, but I understand now, after seeing so many people share their story how atrocious it truly is. It really bothers me that I was so unaware of this huge problem, and how silenced those voices are.
Better make that AACAB (All American Cops Are Bad) I swear, y'all have some f*cked up policemen over there in the US. I'm so sorry y'all have to live like that. I swear, what happened to OP would not even be possible here in the Netherlands, let alone actually happen. (What happened to OP, that's how we treat drugs criminals and their families (if there's no danger like guns). (so I mean die hard criminals) I think Dutch gouvernment would fall if something like what OP described happened here only once. I'm so so so sorry for the fact that people have to live in the "the good US of A" and experience this. Much love sent from here.
Sorry to tangent, but do you think Phelps never actually doing anything to stop the reaaaally bad partner's racism and sexism was because of how he messed up during the war? Like it destroyed his self respect so he just goes along with the system now.
Didn't LA Noire have a whole ass character addressing racism, sexism and every other sleazy aspect of the police? Oh yeah, his name was Roy Earle and he was a fucking great villain.
*spoiler for LA Noire* Also Phelps died at the end. The entire corrupted status quo he tried to unravel was maintained through the arrest of a scapegoat. The point is made that the only good cop is an ex-cop or a dead cop.
A good cop is an ex-cop or a dead cop? Not really. The problem is not with all the cops in the system, it is that bad cops get away with what they have done, due to the flaws of the justice systems.
@@MSMPlays-rc5sh That and most decent cops can't really do anything if their superiors are acting corruptly, unless they want to risk getting in trouble themselves. It invents this paradox where cops are meant to bring law, order and justice, yet they can't fight the injustice that exists within their own system.
Maru m I don’t want to be indepted to Tom Crook virtually. Like copaganda, it’s a version of reality that is exaggerated ( for copaganda) or toned downed ( for capitalist propaganda)
@@ravenhatter5395 They haven't been added to New Horizons yet. They may appear at a later date, as sort of a seasonal event sort of like Zipper, or Reese and Cyrus. I'm not sure but that's my guess.
@@xciellew Is it though? Tom doesn't force you into adding additions to your home like previous games. He sets you up with a tent free of charge in New Leaf, and allows you to pay off your debt at your own pace. Hell, you could just not pay it off, and nothing bad will happen. No eviction notices, no foreclosures, if anything, Tom would be losing money in these situations, and no capitalist wants that. Plus, he actually has a character arc. He starts off as the greedy tanuki in Animal Crossing, but after going to the city and losing all his money to a shady business partner, he returns back to his small town and resolves to change. He knows what it's like to venture to a new place and lose everything, so to prevent that from happening to anyone else, he becomes more lax on payments.
This! Any time I bring up how poorly police tend to handle case of sexual assault or DV, my family’s immediate retort always includes something about SVU.
@@noraunhappy SVU is an idealized world that serves as an escape rather than a reflection of reality. Netflix's Unbelievable is a better reflection and that story is supposed to be uplifting.
I think another prevalent thing in cop media is how cops are the judge, jury, and executioner. Criminals somehow become less than, brutalized because crime = they deserve it. I think you failed to address another aspect of cop depiction in media though. The sensitive cops, the ones that are always the good guys. If anyone does anything wrong it’s scapegoated to one bad apple or just a mistake. I think it’s more prevalent in TV Dramas like the Rookie. Those depictions are just as much as a fairytale and seem like another aspect of wish fulfillment.
@@lydiagrace1133 If by "viewed as less than," you mean that they shouldn't be given basic human rights like protection from police brutality, then no. Nobody should have their fundamental rights stripped by a cop, not even the most despicable people you can think of
@@lydiagrace1133 I was talking about Blossom's comment where they said Jack failed to address the sensitive cop stereotype, saying that maybe Jack will get around to it.
also, i'd say kids grow up with this image of the 'justified' violent hero cop, and then go on to dream of being a cop themselves. Its appeal is usually that you get to shoot guns and fight 'the bad guys' instead of protect citizens and make them feel safe. SO naturally there's gonna be violent and irratic people in the police force, since it attracts those kinds of people. Honestly how messed up is that?
I worked as a preschool teacher and I can't tell you how frustrating and depressing it was to try and unlearn/re-teach my 4 and 5 year olds that cops dont shoot bad guys, they arrest them and take them to jail. It wasn't something I thought about before until I heard it almost daily on the playground, "stop! I'm gonna shoot you!" , just how normalized police violence is and how engrained it becomes at a very young age.
@@taliag09 Dear God And I thought colonialism was deeply rooted in our minds. Actually, back when I was like 7 or something, I actually wanted to be a cop and the only thing on my mind was "am I able to pull out a gun quicker than the criminal?" I envisioned a (white) guy in an alley, probably a drug dealer was what I was thinking
@@ashikjaman1940 I seriously learned more about actual life (the complexities of friendship, self esteem verses the esteem of others, how workers strike, tying my fickin' shoes) from Spongebob than from most of school. Incredibly written show pre the first movie.
@@TheIntenseLime I don't know the episodes, but there's a recurring joke with the 2 police officers beating the absolute shit out of innocent characters like Old Man Jenkins.
Is this it? Are you going to finally tear "Blue Bloods" a new one? Did I mention that show had a scene where a man throws himself off a tall building to frame the cops chasing him for police brutality? Also, a Civil Rights-Activist Pastor of a Black Church is a re-occurring Lex-Luthoresque "villain with good publicity."
6:59 a lot of black women and black trans folks are killed by the police as well. Breonna Taylor, Sandra Bland, Michelle Cusseaux Tanisha Anderson, Tony McDade... Please don't leave them out of the conversation.
Tony McDade wasn't a woman though. He was a trans man. I agree that black women shouldn't be left out of the conversation, but trans men are men, and shouldn't be listed as women.
I think it’s about time we go back to having the independent private eye as the hero of our crime fiction. That character was born in an era where Miranda Rights didn’t exist and your local cops were probably part of the mob. In that context, the only way to be a hero was to act outside the corrupt system and actually investigate the crimes the police would ignore... maybe work with trustworthy people in the community the cops wouldn’t think twice about. And probably have to fight a false arrest, because the bad guys frame them. In other words, oddly, I think we need to see more Sam Spade types, as I think they fit our new zeitgeist pretty well.
Im a huge fan of detective shows myself and i just seem to gravitate more towards shows with amateur sleuths rather than police det ctives you know? Things like murder she wrote,father brown and miss marpel i dont know what is about those kinds of shows i just like them better than ordinary police procedurals
I am a black cat AND I BRING THE APOCALYPSE I’m not going to read all of that but I know several officers very personally and they’re good men and women who joined the force to help and keep the peace. You can hate this system that they’re in fine but don’t think that everyone is a terrible horrible person or a racist just because they’re police. They’re human beings with their own lives and goals, not just some hive mind
@@MnemonicHeadTrip you know man there is no point in you trying to say this here, people will always think because a few bad apples and videos without context as to why it happened will always win people over to the side of hating cops but the same 'peaceful' protesters blocked a fire truck from doing it's job of putting out fires
Man, the Simpsons bits used to almost bookend the video just makes me upset at how Lisa is always right and yet always treated like a joke. She deserved better.
She's very often right in the classic era. She just isn't very good at compelling people. Lisa The Vegetarian is the perfect example of her being morally right and also counterproductive. In her defence, she is 8 years old.
@@theMoporter point. And given Simpsons’ status as an animated sitcom, she’s forever 8 (not counting special bits, even if I adore some of those lol), but still. Tho afaik, the creator doesn’t seem like someone who’d be interested in a spin off where she and her siblings could be older (and given the lower quality in recent times, I’m not sure I’d like it regardless).
that's kinda the joke of it i feel. she's ultimately right most of the time, but she comes off condescendingly because most people want to ignore the types of points she makes. if she were right, that would mean we've all been doing something wrong. why not just shrug her off as some overly optimistic kid and go back to normal. she's the annoying vegan you hate for being all high and mighty; but can't really come to disagree with any of her points.
eric garner and george floyd both having “i cant breathe” as their last breathe isnt a coincidence; they were both choked to death by police. so when i saw a vid recently of a cop choking someone, hearing them say “i cant breathe” and then angrily replying “that shit doesnt work here!” and then punching him in the side of the face, it makes me wonder why anyone would work as a cop for more than a single shift for any good reason.... like, good people try stupid things all the time; but if you’ve been a cop for more than a week or two, than _at the very least_ you value your police salary more than the future of those you arrest. this is why we say ACAB: it’s not the officers themselves in a theoretical sense; it’s the job itself in a practical sense.... the job of a police officer, _even at its very best,_ is to find someone who’s been screwed over *so bad* by their lack of social safety net that they can’t function in society anymore, and to screw them up _so much worse_ that they can be physically carried away and used as prison labor until their soul is _so deadened_ that they cannot feel the original mental trauma that was never actually healed... at which point they can be released *back into society.*
I feel like this would be much easier for people to understand if it was phrased differently. All Cops are Bastards literally means that every individual officer is a bastard, which is just an insult to actual cops that aren't assholes, which you imagine are a minority.
gu3z1 I initially couldn’t understand it either- it seemed like people were making a sweeping generalization about all police as people, which goes against the very framework of the blm movement- that people shouldn’t be victim to sweeping generalizations about the character of a group of people. When I realized acab was supposed to mean that any cop, even one trying to improve the situation internally or actively fighting racism, is a bastard purely because they are partaking in a broken system, it made a bit more sense, but the name construes something different to that message to me. Bad or confusing naming is a problem in political movements in general to me though- the all lives matter movement isn’t saying that all lives matter equally, the pro life movement isn’t pro life per se, just anti abortion, there’s plenty of examples on both the left and right of weird names that misconstrue a stance.
@@tweakr4377 Yeah, but even then, supporting the police system as a whole is a bit of a generalization, anyone who partakes in any kind of system could be accused of endorsing the worst parts of it, when it comes to police, there's specific organisms that fight against reform (and, not coincidentally, they tend not to include black or latino officers), such as police unions. To me ACAB is a bad idea because not only is it bad publicity for the movement, but also because it sees mass quitting as an effective or realistic way to overwhelm the sytem. I think the first step should be to dismantle police unions.
gu3z1 yeah they should change it to ACAC - all cops are complicit. That way the focus is on their continued working under an unjust system rather than their moral character
i've never really consumed cop media of any kind but this makes me think about how difficult i find it to watch marvel movies now (despite how much i love some of them) knowing they're often full on military propaganda and support narratives about america that i simply cannot abide lol
LA Noire is somewhat structured to tell a story about how the police force corrupts it's members. The game is basically about how a "good cop" will get so pushed against that they need to either become bad, die, or quit. Tbh it's not really the game's fault that a player creates that dissonance out of their own effort. Play the game straight without absurdity, and it has a great story to tell about the themes this very video tackles
An interesting part about movies and media pushing cop characters that are supposed to be farcical and exaggerated examples of cops like Robocop and Dredd is how police and millitary have co-opted the Punisher skull, a character who was in part made to lampoon the vigilante justice of comic books as he violently and explosively takes justice into his own hands with deadly force outside the confies of the law. One of the co-creators of the punisher is attempting to reclaim it, he is selling Black Lives Matter punisher skull shirts and donating the proceeds, but yeah, at least one of the creators are not fun of the lampoon being embraced by the people it was made to shine a light on.
While I agree police officers using the punisher skull is terrible, I think we really need to consider this in terms of society as a whole, not just as a policing issue. Let's face it: we, as a society, have normalized vigilante stories like "The Punisher" and "Dexter". We're A-OK with teenagers reading comics about a former green beret and fbi agent running around New York and gunning people down with no oversight. We made 8 whole seasons of a show about a forensic technician killing people that he judged guilty, all for the expressed purpose of sating his bloodlust. As much as the creators claim that their stories are "satirical" or "parody" I think there comes a time where you have to accept that the fans aren't enjoying it in an "ironic" way. I think when that happens you have two choices: stop feeding into the glorification of vigilantes, or give in and give the crowd what it wants. I honestly think that marvel and netflix have chosen the latter, and the last thing we need is for another group of justice seekers to adopt vigilante imagery as well. American police officers live in America, and most of them grew up here as well, they watch American TV, and I think the issues we see in policing are symptoms of issues that run deep in our culture. Benjamin Franklin once said "There never was a good knife made of bad steel" and I think that if we keep reveling in violence then we shouldn't expect anything else from our countrymen.
Watching this I kept hoping that you would bring up the movie Detroit, because it is the horror movie that you were talking about at the end. It was honestly one of the most horrifying things I've ever watched, but it didn't use a movie monster in the movie. The cops were just monsters
I would love to see a full episode unpacking Brooklyn 99, whenever you finish the series. I think it's one of the funnier Michael Schur comedies, but it does an incredible amount of reinforcement for white liberal reformist attitudes about the police. The show goes out of its way to distinguish the 99 as people with good intentions who mess up sometimes, but own up to their faults and try to change the system for the better. In turn, I think that distinguishes it from the copaganda that oscillates between "wish fulfillment action hero" and "cartoonish violence funny." While there are jokes that fit the wink nudge to police violence and incompetence, racism in the NYPD is openly dealt with by Holt on the job, and in one memorable episode, Terry is profiled off the clock. Neither of those instances are the butts of jokes. Jake can be a buffoon, but he's an outspoken ally when it counts. He rejects his Dirty Harry-esque idol when the guy makes homophobic remarks about Holt in one of the first episodes, and he is horrified at prison conditions when he's sent there undercover. So I would say B99 goes beyond your typical lampshading the problem jokes by tackling racism and homophobia seriously........but the solutions that it presents to those problems never question the system in any way that could be unpalatable to a mainstream white liberal audience. The solution is that there need to be more "good cops" like the 99. We just need more diversity in the police department. There are definitely bad cops, but there are also Holts and Terrys and Santiagos and even Peraltas out there fighting to make PDs better. That is a narrative I find in some ways even more insidious than the Dirty Harrys or Tango and Cashes, because it claims to be progressive while still reinforcing the status quo.
Jake is sort of an enigma on this issue on one hand Jake is motivated by serving the law, and doing what is right, which often drives him to go above and beyond the call of duty for a case and or a hunch that plagues him He doesn’t have racist views and or profiles anyone, because all he cares about is what is right and wrong, so he will defend a innocent person and or go after a suspect no matter what ethnicity, creed or etc at the same time this often involves him violating police procedure, the law, civil rights, and Jake being unable to see law and criminality as anything other than black and white sometimes the other issue is that Jake idolizes and makes clear he loves the idea of being the “police-action” hero type that is so often shown in action films and media his favorite “cop” film is even Die hard, despite the fact die hard has not a single example of actual police work in it other than the fact the main character is a cop, which is just a justification used to explain with some foresight why he has a gun and can blast away and or kill off all the evil terrorists. this however, often gets him in trouble and he’s is forced to “grow up” as it were by Holt on many cases and do actual police work.
Hey, if you play LA Noire without taking the roleplay to obeying traffic laws, that's on you, buddy. I just cruise around like a normal person listening to that one song about your girlfriend being addicted to gin or whatever.
Yeah, this. I don't know if we're boring, but I rather enjoyed living up to Phelps' stiff upper lip adherence to playing by the rules, even when it was not explicitly being demanded of me by the game. I think it's more fun to try playing a cop who also follows the laws they're sworn to uphold. It's more fantastical, anyway. Also, Phelps is so proper that if your hat flies off during exertion, such as climbing fences or sprinting, you can actually walk over to it and he'll pick it up and put it back on. I absolutely adore little touches like that! It says so much about him as a person.
@@grammarmaid "It's more fantastical" lmao. Yeah, all that, PLUS, how are the car chase missions and quick responses even any fun if you're just running over people and crashing cars and whatever like you just do in normal play, anyway? The whole fun there, for me, comes from trying to maybe break some traffic rules to keep up speed, as neccessary, without causing any harm. Ah, maybe we're just dorks.
Legit, aside from some impatience with traffic lights in the game I generally tried to either obey the road rules or at least just avoid hitting anything. Would have stayed with only using his car too if the mechanics didn't encourage you to steal others for collection reasons (it's been so long, I can't remember if you got achievements or what but it was something).
Fortunately there wasn't much realism, like the very real corruption scandal, the anti-Latino sentiment, the suspecting of communists everywhere (especially among Jewish Americans).
I feel like the fascism should have been obvious for years before this, and people, myself included, had been completely oblivious. Neo-nazis and KKK are protected yet they’re fascists and dream of genocide. Fascists will always make their way to places of power, and they are VERY sneaky. Once they have power, then it becomes known.
And then you listen how the country operates in "Last week tonight" and understand it's always like this. Especially if they can pull the brains out of europe (by some unexplicable reason)
The feeling I get from many of these shows is generally, rhe audience doesnt WANT the police to be bad, bc being against cops makes you a criminal (going by movie logic here), and thats bad, so obviously the cops have to be good right? I remember a bunch of older shows with the cops beeing the antagonists, but somehow the idea of a cop beeing the bad guy, (not bc he is corrupt, but because they're a cop) is very foreign in current media where the protagonists are not likable criminals.
There's a banned episode of Polizeiruf 110, which was only partially reconstructed. They were banned for two reasons. One, East Germany transmitted the message that sexually deviant killers (this man killed young boys, while also raping them) only exist in the West, and two, because in addition to using the actual killer, the members of the secret police (whose division investigated such cases) used their own kids first in place of dummies for the crime scene recreation.
Imma go back and rewatch The Shield, the show they had to rename from "Rampart" weeks before launch due to legal threats from the LAPD because the original name directly referenced their actual real world abuses. Terrible cops doing all the sorts of shit they get away with in the real world. Why did we never see more representations of cops like this?
My dad was a cop and he loved The Shield. Whenever someone who is pro cop watches a cop show, they only care that the cops get the bad guy (doesnt matter how) and looks cool (even if they are doing something bad). Its the Joker effect, even if the media is literally telling you "this is wrong", people have their mind set to "this guy is a hero". The fight club effect. Breaking bad effect. The message and actions dont matter, if the guy looks cool people will relate to them.
@@PalitoSelvatico It's like how peoples saw Senator Armstrong in Metal Gear Rising, a social darwinist who think it's okay to create war because it'll allow the strong to stand on top, who do a fuckton fo fucked up things, and is essentially the worst patriotism can get... And yet you got peoples who went "Well, this bad guy is okay for lobotomizing children into child soldiers... but he want to make america great again, so he's a good guy!"
@@fefeman2856 personally, I think Senator Armstrong built up such a fandom because he directly addressed the military industrial complex and packaged his fascism in aspirational language during the big final showdown, which was also the first point that he'd really been onscreen. It's the same as how you had people voting for Trump in the 2016 primaries because he was the only guy saying things like "NAFTA was shit" and "the Clintons couldn't care less about you people, there's two tiers to society and you're all in the tier that gets fucked". When nobody on the TV is talking about obvious horrible shit, and then someone, anyone starts screaming "THE WIZARD'S A GODDAMN HOLOGRAM, GET THAT LITTLE BASTARD BEHIND THE CURTAIN!"... People can end up rationalizing away that guy's obvious horribleness because of how good it feels to not feel like you're the only one who sees how fucked up and nightmarish the world is. There was more to the Trump phenomenon, obviously, but I think it was the reason for some of those people who flipped from Obama to Trump.
Brooklyn 99 is interesting in that it definitely shows a lot of police work being done the "right" way by ethical officers who aren't too hung up on the exercise of their own power. BUT, it also exists in a kind of fantasy space where that's legitimately how cops reliably are. It also avoids a lot of the rough interactions between police and the public by focusing entirely on detectives, rather than patrol officers, who are mostly comedy relief to the slightly more straightlaced detectives and investigators.
It also regularly depicts terrible occurances as comedic. Arresting sex workers, holding suspects without evidence, using anti-terror weapons like sound cannons on innocent people, and tearing down defense lawyers who protect peoples' rights. It's not really that different from reality in regards to how evil police are, it just makes them funny and diverse. (And ignores the fact that the KKK and other white supremacist organizations have made it a point to invade police organizations, to the point that the FBI refuses to interact with them.)
There's a whole episode where they hold a suspect without evidence as a joke and it's portrayed as annoying and dumb when the suspect tries to get a lawyer. Brooklyn 99 is propoganda plain and simple
b99 is absolutely copaganda, jake tries to get a guy deported bc he doesnt like him, rosa's whole shtick is that she commits police brutality like thats the entire joke. b99 is unique only in the disgusting fact that it is marketed directly to groups most likely to be faced with police violence using its diversity. every episode that they have had about things real life cops do (how prisons are messed up, racial profiling) its just another case of the wink at the camera like 'wow would be fucked up if that was true right guys?' that Jack mentioned in his vid
@@normal6483 Sure, but arresting sex workers never happens on-screen and is only in accordance to local law, the show doesn't ever attempt to justify this in any moral way or even puts this front and center. The sound cannons are used against other cops, and yes, that's portrayed as comedic, but it's hardly a "terrible occurrence" as it's never used on civilians, and the defense attorneys are also specifically placed in charge of defending privilidged dicks who break the law and think they're above it, with the exception of that early episode (the same one with the unlawful arrest), the show doesn't present the attorneys as representing the true underdogs and have the cops 'heroically' step over the prisoner's rights in any way.
My parents watch almost every cop show on TV at least once. I’m personally sick to death of “lone cop doesn’t play by the rules” or more positively, “lone cop squad plays by every rule.” I’ve been wanting a show about internal affairs for YEARS. I want to see corruption get exposed. I don’t want another hard hitting drama about “it’s a cop show, but the main character is quirky. It’s totally different than other cop shows.” Not enough of them show the system’s gaping flaws. It’s Hollywood glossing over the hidden nuances that promote white supremacy. As much as I appreciate shows like B99 with their casting methods, there aren’t enough of them. I would like to see another video talking about the over saturation of cop dramas on TV. Dick Wolf is uh.... certainly a character in that regard.
every time i watch ur copaganda vids im just reminded of how much that Blue Bloods show annoys me lmaoo. Granted, i dont watch it, my mum does but sometimes i catch them touching on the topic of police brutality towards black people and i just.....Yikes ykno. i remember one episode where a cop accidentally knocked into someone or something stupid like that and suddenly a video of him doing it was all over social media and being called police brutality. could not roll my eyes hard enough lmao
omg yes! I like watching procedural cop shows (who know why? Probably because I can just let them run in the background and don't get emotionally invested) but I could not watch Blue Bloods. This show made me so fucking angry that I wrote out an entire video script in my head about how much it plays into liberal peoples idea of police brutality and racism in the police. There is this one scene where a cop runs after a black man into an alley and then the black man actually has a gun and threatens to kill him so the cop has to shoot him in order to save himself and then of course the straw man BLM activists get all angry about it and the poor cop is being investigated even though he did nothing wrong. There's also an episode where they have to investigate a church in a black neighborhood and even though they are being super reasonable and just good cops doing their job, the angry irrational black people won't let them investigate and the cop just doesn't understand why because HE personally is not racist, he even has black friends. I swear, every other episode of that show is just the writers crying about how cops are the real victims here. Okay, sorry for the rant, I hate this show with a passion, I know it's not the biggest problem in the world, I'll shut up now.
@@imaginareality yeah i've noticed they do that a lot. The whole "BLM activists" getting angry at the "non-racist, good cops" over nothing. glad im not the only one who gets pissed off by the show though lol
@@TheNinja94a I mean I haven't seen the scene you've talked about specifically but it is a very real problem that happens much mor often than you think, and I think it can be a bit triggering when victims of false accusations are told to essentially shut up because it's not as common as the reverse. People who use it as a political tool are obviously despicable, but it irreversibly ruins lives, and our current legal systems are just incapable of treating it with the severity it deserves.
Copaganda does an unfortunately great job of portraying the police as the only means of public protection and justice. Many of the shows with cops will rarely acknowledge the efforts and responsibilities of other public community services, especially those that are better equipped to resolve situations that police (in reality) would just make worse.
How much cop media leans into the just world fallacy, that people get what they deserve, as a justifying ideology? I don't remember hearing anything about that in any of Jack's analyses of copaganda.
I started watching Narcos for the first time, I'm on a Pedro Pascal spree don't judge me, and like.....I literally can not watch it. It's set in the 80s-90s and the main character(s) are either the DEA or the literal narcos. The narrator goes on long tangents about communism and the war on drugs and his character has no problem shooting and killing any ol "criminal"... There's a scene where the FBI waterboards a communist priest like wtf
But the point would be is the show saying that is good, or is pointing out and or at least showing the historical attitudes, factors and methods that were used and or conducted at the time?
Brooklyn 99 is interesting because while it is a goofy cop show, it tries to address topics like racial profiling. There's an episode where Terry himself gets racially profiled, and it is treated with seriousness. Along with the attitude towards sexuality in the series (it has been praised for its depiction through Holt and Rosa), it serves to produce a cuddlier type of copaganda that even a social liberal can enjoy.
And Rosa suggests police brutality And Jake breaks laws because he had a hunch Still copaganda just politically correct until it would go against the status quo
@@imsmolandangery4274 Don't forget the episodes dedicated to hating public defenders. Not even hot-shot high-price defence attorneys that always get their clients off the hook, public defenders. Just entire episodes of them basically saying they wish poor people didn't get any legal defence. Oooh, or the episode where Jake "busts" a whole bunch of sex workers and their clients, all while crowing about how lots of them will be up for felony charges, because it means he can win a bet.
For alternative portrayals, i'd recommend FX's The Shield and HBO's the Wire. the wire trends hard towards a realistic and human portrayal, while the Shield is in some ways a long tale of how corruption corrupts
@@LimeyLassen Not gonna lie: that particular storyline is a bit problematic, but i think head writer David Simon trends towards the optimistic, so it makes sense in his ideal world that the bad apples would quit being bad police and pick up a job where they're able to affect real, positive social change, and educating disaffected youth IS one way to do that. Would most "bastard cops" make that choice and actually improve the world rather than worsening it? absolutely not, but it sure does make for an optimistic outcome for a story & character who made the world worse before they changed and made it better.
@@LimeyLassen Good cops leaving the police force to go do something else is totally normal though and I'm glad they showed that. My dad had a friend that went into the police force to do good for the community who quit after a short while because of arrests quotas and ineffective bureaucracy. There were tonnes of bad apples in the series though. They mostly aren't focused on, with the closest being Herc and Carver. While Carver does improve, Herc, in my opinion, didn't really improve much if at all. The majority of the eastern district police are shown to be uncaring and quick to revel in brutality and power trips, they're just not focused on because they're less interesting characters, since they don't develop in any way. That's how I see it at least. The show is filled with bad cops. They're basically the default. The beat cops are shown as violent and uncaring and the detectives are shown as lazy and uncaring. All of which is formed not by the individuals who decided to be so, but because of the broken system which pressures people into adopting these behaviours.
Big recommend to Memories of Murder, Korean film from Bong Joon-Ho, director of Parasite. It's a great film about detectives investigating a serial killer, but it also shows why police brutality and misconduct is not conducive to greater justice.
The whiplash from "Police Brutality is everywhere. cops are arresting reporters. They're firing tear gas into crowds. Hell world." To "HAHA buy my sponsor! For only $10 a month you can do bleh bleh bleh"
Stale Bagelz That was absolutely part of the joke. Angel is portrayed as an over-the-top perfect cop in action and morals, but every other cop in the movie is either incompetent or malicious.
Unfortunately not. Edgar Wright made that movie with the explicit purpose of using it to frame cops positively, because he felt like there were too many gangster movies. I dunno if he’s changed his views lately, (I hope he has), but Hot Fuzz is deliberate propaganda.
Chris P. Waffles Nicholas Angel had a record-breaking amount of arrests in London. Black people are more likely to be jailed in the UK than white people for the same crimes, just like here in the US. It doesn’t matter whether he himself is racist, Nicholas Angel is a tool of racism.
when i watched Wolf on Wall Street in theaters the audience found the drugged-out behavior hilarious while i was just horrified that this was a real person who was supposed to be taking care of a child & was a drug addict.
I hope for a better change. In 1990, after the unification of Germany, the powers that be felt the best way to find healing is to sweep all those border killings under the rug by applying the laws of the by then defunct state to try and convict people, who shot people while they only yearned freedom. In many cases, statute of limitations have expired, in other cases they were declared not guilty, the actual shooter or the a higher up in the chain of command already died, yet in most cases, they got probation. Here's why this is important: as Germany for the most part didn't have a long history with civil rights, the then far-left mentality found refuge on the far-right, hence why the current far-right party is so popular. They had the gall to ask a former border guard a few years back to be their candidate, and they ran on a platform that he should be elected as nobody knows border security. If a catharsis doesn't happen, the Tea Party/QAnon crowd will depart the GOP, establish its own platform and will run people like that in the future (though, they already run one in Georgia).
There’s an episode of Brooklyn Nine-Nine where someone is trying to kill Jake. It turns out to be a man Jake arrested for drugs, whose life went to hell after that. I was on that guys side. I wish Sophia (jakes lawyer ex played by Eva Longoria) was still a recurring character. She was the only one to point out how villainous the police are. It was her boss Jake arrested which is why they break up
my source isn’t that reliable but i’ve heard the real nypd check b99 scripts to make sure they make police look good so there’s no way they’d bring sofia back just for her to point out the flaws in the police system again. its really the worst type of copaganda.
Okay just for clarification the guy who is trying to kill jake is actually Sophia’s ex- boss from her law firm who Jake arrested after he caught him snorting a gallon of coke in a public washroom turns out that the guy cheated on his wife, has done many crimes, and multiple more drugs, refused to do the community service he was charged with for doing the drugs and lost his marriage and job yeah they make the point that the attorney got a reduced sentence and only had to do community service, but instead did more drugs and more crimes instead. and he blames jake, even going so far as to try and make jake the scapegoat for his bad decisions and multiple crimes and plans to kill jake after forcing him at gun point to take the blame for everything he did wrong in his life. that’s not someone whose side i would ever be on.
there actually is a reference to them being sympathetic to druggies Specifically the chadman boswick episode where jake states he would be more sympathetic to the suspects drug problem (and that drug addiction is a massive problem facing society) if he had't committed cold blooded murder.
Just to point out the 21 jump street clip, they literally had to release the suspect afterwards and were literally put on review by their commander who send them to the jump street as a last chance they not only get in trouble for doing that, but they are reprimanded and even transferred to another division (punished for it)
Gotta be honest: I’m such a non-chad that I’ve never ploughed through groups of people in LA Noir, I let the partner drive. It doesn’t make me a better person (obviously), but now I’m going to be vulnerable and tell you that it makes me *feel* like a better person (at least a little) when it absolutely shouldn’t. More accurately it makes me a bit of an uncreative gamer, happy to play exactly as the developer intended, too immersed in being the character as intended to have a unique experience (as much as you might look back on your individual choice to find humour in something I never wanted to consider doing objectionable behaviour on your behalf). Idk, art and our reaction to it is a weird and intensely individual experience.
I stopped playing la noire after the scene in witch two cops broke in a homeless ppl comune let by a comunist word war 2 veteran and brutaly kill like 5 homeless ppl just to procede to emprison a murder suspect, that's right, not even a confirmed criminal, just a suspect. It was outrageus, and, the worse part? The game forces you to do that. There was not alternative path, the game comits a atrocity like that, makes you a accomplice and then tries to justify itself. I like to think la noire is a commentary on police brutality, the problem is that it shows you the horror, but fails to condeem it. I'm gonna say it: it's a deeply problematic game. And it's a shame, because it's also a good one, but it lack of sensitivity throws it to the mud
i don't know if i'd say it's "deeply" problematic, but maybe that's my bias because i do love the game. i will say that it felt to me like it was designed to validate whatever perspective you came with, and can be problematic in a lot of places because of that. i felt like the game seemed to try pretty hard to clarify that you're basically the only good cop, and you even get punished because of that. maybe this is wrong but if i recall correctly about the scene you referenced, you're partner starts the shooting and you're not forced to kill anyone, you just get into a fistfight with the suspect. also, the climax of the game literally involves taking down a ring of corrupt police, politicians, and businessmen. i think this is especially interesting since halfway through the game there's a more conventional serial killer case that you would expect to be the climax but isn't (phelps doesn't even get credit for solving the case due to the killer's connection to powerful people). obviously even these examples aren't without their problems. there's also several leftist characters who are portrayed as deranged, so there's that. i guess i agree with you lol, especially about the lack of sensitivity
@@Aaron-fy4wo Sorry if was weirdly worded, I'm not a native speaker. And I agree, is not like the game is advertly hateful, I would even go as far as to say that most of their problematic things are accidental rather than intentional. Its certainly not Rapelay. And you are absolutely right about pointing out that you don't do the shooting but your partner, thanks I didn't remember that. I would argue that that's still terrible tho, like the other 4 cops that saw the murder of Floyd and did nothing. There's also the anti-Semitic bits on the first case of the game to force a confession on a suspect on one of the first cases, but that's a whole different can of worms I do think it would probably be good to finish the game, as I sayed, it has a lot of great things, and it's a fun and well made game, even if some aspects have aged poorly
have you ever thought about the fact that maybe not all forms of media owe you an explanation? not everything is made with beating you over the head with its point in mind, sometimes you're just supposed to reach your own conclusion based on what you've seen
There's a video that talks about how much violence there is in LA: Noire and with how excessive violence is in gaming (about 7 years old and by MrBtongue). He's not against the idea of something like DOOM, but just how much there is in the medium (within players and developers consciousness). Noire has so much of it since it's expected and people will get frustrated since they'll think "It's been 10 minutes since I shot someone. Where's the gunplay?" and will quit and leave a bad review. Here's the vid: ua-cam.com/video/5ZM2jXyvGOc/v-deo.html
Great video! whoever's reading this, I hope you have a great day. There's a lot going on in the world right now, but keep fighting, keep speaking out. We are the change that we want to see. Black lives matter.
DyrpMcStabby no, but also, no it likely wouldn’t. In situations where the police have drastically scaled back their operations (in response to being held responsible for crimes committed by police officers, as a bargaining chip), there was no significant increase in crime, just a drop in arrests. The police are not the only thing standing between the united states and unbridled chaos, but they need us to think that they are in order to keep their power.
@@nukiradio ah, you know instead of cutting it's Worker's pay which would decrease Police recruits, a reform is needed, yes that means that some cops have to be fired, training has to be Extended how to handle a situation without guns. Here in Germany the police force is trained to use their weapons as a last resort, instead of First response to a wrong move
12:47 So, I reread Terry Pratchett's Night Watch just before the protests kicked off (as many Discworld fans are wont to do for the 25th of May), and it's interesting the way the central villain of that particular book is finally captured at the end and how it specifically contrasts scenes like this. Sam Vimes, the Commander of the Ahnk-Morpork City Watch (a sort of fantasy-analogue to police with the books as almost-fantasy-analogue detective procedurals), has been struggling with the difficulties of being a "good cop" in an inherently corrupt system, and with his personal impulses to violence the entire book. And It's a triumphant moment when Vimes finally knicks Carcer and _doesn't_ give into the cathartic urge to do him further harm. He defends himself when Carcer jumps him, yes, but once Carcer's restrained, Vimes has sworn to see he's given fair due process, even though Carcer is a gleefully violent murderer who's obviously going to hang for his crimes and "no one would blame [Vimes] for doing the hangman out of five dollars and a free breakfast." The climax of the next City Watch book, Thud!, plays to a similar beat of turning the restraining of cathartic, vengeful bloodlust into something heroic and aspirational, also, and does so while making you emotional about a man screaming "WHERE'S MY COW?" Basically, the City Watch Discworld books are... interesting to examine under this lens, and an interesting bunch of books to examine my relationship to right now, for reasons partly summarized by this: Vimes is the kind of character that, if you walked up and told him "all cops are bastards", he'd nod and go "yeah, that sounds about right", with full awareness that includes himself. And then he does his damnedest to get the bunch of bastards to do right by the city and its people anyway.
I'm a former Airborne Infantry SGT that participated in the invasion of Iraq in 2003. I was asked by a friend if I liked Counter Strike or Call of Duty and I said, "absolutely not." She asked why and stated how much she loved those games. I said, "I saw the real thing and the games are absurd glorifications of something that I wish I could take back."
I'd just like to thank you for the content warning at about 21:00 - as someone who really doesn't cope well with depictions of gory violence, it was welcome being able to just turn my screen away for 20 seconds rather than having that stuff suddenly forced upon my eye holes. Thanks
I think you're missing something important: The hollywood cop is nothing without the hollywood criminal. These archetypes cannot exist in isolation from each other. The reason the hollywood cop is so easily able to abuse their power, threaten people into compliance, goad suspects into confessing and sometimes just assault people while still being the hero is because the targets of their otherwise-terrible behavior are the hollywood criminals - the people of little or no redeeming moral character, who exist to inspire only negative reactions from the audience. First fear, then disgust, then relief when they 'get what's coming to them.' Be that an arrest, getting shot, or the satisfaction of seeing the hero snap someone's bones. There's a reason hollywood especially loves perverts and sex crimes: The most hate-worthy the criminal, the more satisfaction comes from seeing their pain and suffering. A lot of people are quite happy with this situation even in the real world. If the police smash someone's face into the floor during an arrest... criminal scum must have deserved it, right? Their own fault for resisting.
thank you so much for the ruff mcgruff outro one time i went to a record store in seattle, got to talking with staff, eventually i brought up the ruff mcgruff album, eventually walked out only to hear it loaded up on youtube & blasted over the loudest street speakers ever, i vividly recall they specifically played "crack & cocaine"
I’ve been watching too much UA-cam media crit, when you said “loose cannon cop, Dirty Harry” for a moment my brain interpreted this as “loose canon” a la Lindsay Ellis and I spent a few seconds trying to make sense of it in this sentence before I remembered the original phrase
You know, I've watched your videos for a few months now, and I've wanted to say this for a while. I don't agree with a lot of your political views, BUT I love your analysis, and I appreciate a LeftTuber who actually calls fascism fascism, and Neo-Liberalism and Neo-Conservatism what they are. You clearly and politely state your case, and provide alternatives. You are, by far, my favorite "LeftTuber" to watch, as you help keep me grounded, and help keep me from being tempted to close off in an echo chamber. So cheers, man. I appreciate what you do, my dude. Oh, and to add, Black Lives Matter, demilitarize the police, and end the war on drugs. Sic semper tyranus.
I find Brooklyn 99 really fascinating - it draws in people who would normally be advocating for the dissolution of the police (liberals, leftists, ect) with great representation for people of colour and LGBT people, and funny and likeable characters. Then, when people call for the abolition of the police, the people who watch it say ‘no, cops are funny and nice like in Brooklyn 99!’ Very clever cop propaganda
this is a legitimate point but have you ever actually heard someone argue against police abolition using brooklyn 99 as evidence? i understand that it reinforces false ideas about cops but i seriously doubt it's singlehandedly dismantling anyone's anti-police leftism lol that seems like a really annoying strawman
Thalia Peters I don’t think it’s single handily dismantling anti-police leftism, but I have heard people claim that Jake Peralta taught them that cops are good and that the job is honourable and enviable. The show itself is not causing more brutality but I do think (however unintentionally) that it is adding to the pushback of ACAB. The people it influences are vulnerable and looking for characters to idolise and look up to - its characters provide that, and then tell them that being a cop is good. Because Jake is such an untoxic, likeable man, he provides young men with a positive view of masculinity and then inspires them to become cops, or at least sympathise with the police. I digress, but I have heard people use this show in debates and ‘proof’ that cops are good people
One of the other reasons cops still get seen in nothing but good light in media is because the police and military are often quite willing to collaborate with a studio. The studio gets money and "realism" about training, equipment, and procedures, and the cops and military get _excellent_ PR, because nothing they don't like stays in.
I really wish we'd get more stuff like how the police are portrayed in say...... Ace Attorney. Detective Dick Gumshoe keeps getting fired from his job because he keeping trying to be the mythical "good cop", even when the final case in the very first game the chief of police fucking murders a detective started pestering him about what he didn't want him to in the evidence room and covered it up. Really it'd be great if more media tried to point out more often "yes, good cops do exist, but bad cops will go to extreme lengths to silence them." Better Call Saul's "Five-0" is another great example. "good cops" tend to not stay cops for very long, either being silenced, removed from the force.... or even killed. As what typically happens to people who try to change a corrupt system from the inside.
"Duh, but it's just a few bad apples DUH!" is what you'll typically hear in response, which means that the current system must stay unchanged... forever... I'm just waiting for a movie to come out with the title, "Blue Lives Murder".
I saw your tweet about people misconstruing the point of this video before watching it, so when literally hear you saying the thing that one of the comments did proving without a shadow of a doubt that that person did not watch the video past 5 minutes I got audibly annoyed.
Honestly, I think that Chris Nolan's movies actually toe the line very well in regards to their depiction of the police. I'm thinking specifically of Insomnia and The Dark Knight Trilogy. They all do a pretty good of showcasing police corruption without playing it for laughs or making it unrealistic. Dormer in Insomnia is still the protagonist, but his corruption is one of his character flaws. The final scene is especially notable, as he tells Hilary Swank's Burr "not to lose her way" when she almost throws away evidence of him having killed his partner, who was going to testify about his corruption to Internal Affairs.
Watching this makes me so angry... I admire the protesters that have remained mostly peaceful in the face of this disgusting behaviour of the police. Driving cars into crowds? That is LITERALLY what terrorists do. No justice, no peace.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. If you’re dumb enough to block a police car that needs to get through to respond to a call, you deserve whatever harm you get.
@@MnemonicHeadTrip By the same logic, if police are dumb enough to keep murdering black people during riots over the murder of black people...they deserve whatever happens to them, right?
@@MnemonicHeadTripis death a fair sentence for blocking first responder traffic? Does one deserve death without trial for blocking traffic? If your in a car trying to get through a crowd do you: A. Reroute, B. Move slow enough to not run over people and slowly push them out of the way(maybe hurting some feet) or C. Fuckin jolt faster like the clips shown here
@@gabriellegibby3293Where should you have your safe and civil protest? A. The place designed for cars to travel at high speeds B. Literally anywhere else
I got a PS4 during covid and tried playing Arkham Knight but it didn't feel right. You're basically a militarized cop driving a tank around a city erupting in riots. It felt like i was on the wrong side
One of the main reasons cop media doesn't take a more serious depiction of police violence is actually because police unions subsidize cop shows and movies that are goofy and silly and sue or boycott depictions that are more serious.
@@domingadoflaminga3961I don’t give a fuck, because they are marvel movies. No one should expect marvel movies to present a serious philosophical or political point
My favorite depiction of a police officer being reprimanded is the scene from Fresh prince of Bel Air. Where the Lawyer Uncle and caring Aunt give the police officer hell for how they treated Will Smith and Carlton. It even goes as far to basically say it only ended the way it did because Carlton came from a wealthy family. Most people the Police violently violate aren’t and that’s likely why if you have a smaller support network the cops won’t care to restrain themselves.
The only realistic representation of cops in media I can recall was in "Detroit" 2017 Based on a real event, the Algiers Motel incident during Detroit's 1967 12th Street Riot. It's a hard watch but an important one if you can stomach it.
This video really resonated with my views. After what’s happened recently, I can’t stand watching police shows glorify cops doing “illegal things for the right reason”. Like interrogating someone without a lawyer present, threatening and harming witnesses, and other awful things. It’s painfully real now.
That's something definitely understandable. The cop trope stopped being funny to me about three years ago, when a kid got beaten and raped to near death in France. The kid was about my age, and it felt so horrible that cop stuff just made me angry...
Oh this is SUCH a fascinating essay. The swift unraveling of the apparent contradiction when talking about torture horror vs. cop comedy? Genius. Thanks for making this! The 9/11 thing is actually kind of fascinating - when you learn about stuff like Abu Ghraib, the sublimation of US citizens' horror about the WTC attack into torture fixation ends up feeling very Hmmmmmmmmm to say the least.
Here in Brazil, we grew up with military police on the streets and watching some of this movie, we always laughed at the "why are you doing this ? you're cops!" kind of jokes because it's commun knowledge that it's pointless to argue with a cop. It's like "lmao silly guy thinks he can stop someone with a badge by reasoning"
There’s a DnD stream I watch called fantasy high, one of the parents is a cop and the DM has gone on record saying that will change in series 3....I appreciate that decision
@@malcomchase9777 gnomish inventors, bloodthirty pirate, a sad elf....those are the good ones. The bad ones are religious cultists and just straight assholes xD
Didn’t think I’d find a d20 reference here! To further clarify, the DM has announced that the cop character, who was always portrayed as a good voice amongst a group of goofy corrupt cops, has been taking night classes in Law and is planning on de-escalating and defunding the police force next season, presumably replacing them with social workers and people trained in de-escalating situations and rehabilitation.
also, isn't there always that episode where some external higher-ups come into the main cast's police department because there are claims of corruption and every single character in the department hates them for trying to uncover the actual corruption that's going on lol and then those external forces always 'lose' against the main cast because they were soOOO 'evil' trying to uncover the truth
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I also wish someone would look at how in most cop shows and movies, the internal affairs department is *always* the enemy, just looking to throw honest cops under the bus and being overly pedantic about treatment of suspects etc.
Never once have I seen a fictional cop go 'Yea, they serve a really important function in keeping us honest and they're the best of us'. It's always 'They're rats'.
CSI is very guilty of that, and I love the franchise still
This is something I've noticed in all law enforcement shows. Whoever the protagonist is will be right, and the other agency will be wrong. Cop show, "Well the big ol' FBI man is hear to show us poor detectives how to solve a murder." FBI show, "These cops just want to mark their territory, pack of dogs." Politicians and criminals are susceptible to it too, but they tend to have the capacity for more ambiguous morality for their main characters.
They are also usually corrupt in a way that invalidates all their criticism of the main character's bad actions. Other movies even rely on this preconceived notion against I.A. investigators to use them as missdirect badguys, because they know audiences will automatically misstrust them.
If memory serves me right, then I think Elementary actually talked a little bit about this. Not technically a cop show, but cop side character Marcus Bell dealt with dating someone from internal affairs and dealing with his own fears and insecurities and biases that she was there to "rat out good cops". I don't remember the conclusion of this, but at least they talked about it and she wasn't portrayed to be a shifty character there to rat people out but rather a good person just trying to make things better. I even think Bell was offered a job at internal affairs from it?
CSI Miami AF
the internal affairs were always the bad guys
That canoe joke was far better than any violent cop joke I've ever seen
What's it from?
@@EtchJetty Brass eye
Does the fact that that was a kayak, not a canoe make the joke better or worse?
@@CorvusCoraxification Thanks
@@ritac9756 Better.
I understand how you feel about the king kong on the scary movie 4 poster because there was no garfield in this video despite being prominently featured in the thumbnail
But the video came out on a Monday.
We all hate Mondays.
So, in conclusion, the real Garfield is us.
@@jmn327 the real Garfield is the friends we made along the way
@@campi832 underrated comment
It’s in the deleted scenes.
But the real question is, are you entergaged?
Lisa Simpson has been spitting facts for decades now.
She has, but she's also a shell of a character from a zombie TV show.
@@flytrapYTP unfortunately all the characters in the Simpsons are now.
@@flytrapYTP Sadly, but not surprisingly, those who once spoke truth to power end up upholding that power down the line.
@@flytrapYTP That episode was from before the zombification.
We should've listened sooner
Also, here is a cop media critique I have heard. So so many cop shows SHOW (or so heavily imply it’s obvious) you who committed the crime, so ANYTHING is justified to get them arrested. The cops NEVER have a thought “What if we got the wrong man”.
This! This infuriates me.
Also! When it is the wrong guy, its presented as an inconvenience to the cop, not the man who was arrested!
@@bitchtownusa usually after a rather terrible interrogation.
Weren't they wrong in Life On Mars? Didn't watch that often so I ain't sure.
Dexter killed people and in Weeds her son ended up being a corrupt cop, seemed oddly realistic efter Ferguson and blm
I like how The Shield flipped this by having the audience fully aware at times that the characters had the wrong guy, and having to watch as they went through with all the terrible shit fully believing in the righteousness of their cause.
My mom and I started watching Columbo (a show we watched together when I was a kid) again. It's kind of remarkable how he solves the cases using only his wits and at no point mistreats even the suspects. He even declared in one of the last episodes we watched that he refused to carry a gun. Also, all the murderers are wealthy or academic elites who believe themselves above consequences. I don't know if this type of cop show was typical for the late sixties/seventies, but it is unique for today.
Bro i fucking LOVE columbo my personal favorite episode was the one with donald plesence as the winery owner who killed his brother
@@aswiftshift5229 That's a great one! I also love the one with the art collector.
@@hermaiamoira1064 the one where that politician killed his campaign manager was good too
Man I need to watch Columbo again, it’s such a good show and he’s so empathetic to everyone involved.
Columbo is the one ACAB exception.
Great video, and I think there's also a problem with the depiction of criminals as sub human. There is and has been a distinct attitude of "they deserve what's coming to them", I mean look at the prevelance of prison r* jokes.
Not to mention if a big movie needs an obvious bad guy just have someone with a big scar or a limp or an obvious foreign heritage (including accent) turn up.
Pop Culture Detective has an episode on "Sexual Assalt of Men Played for Laughs", if you haven't seen that, it deals with prison r* jokes too if I remember correctly.
The entire penal system is based on the notion that sin deserves punishment, regardless of whether that punishment is fair or reduces crime. I mean, without getting into private prisons and their desire *not* to reduce crime, crimes like drugs, prostitution, theft, and poverty are seen not as a symptom of a problem. When a "criminal" gets raped, "they had it coming".
@@theomcinturff1213 Its also used in a grotesquely wholesale manner. No matter how violent or brutal the terrible event the "criminal" suffer is adequate, just on the condition of them being "criminals", regardless of what their crime actually was.
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Next season of Brooklin 99 should have the department quit and become fire fighters
I would actually love this lol
Or disarm them and have more training in threat reduction and become better social workers
have them join the real boys in blue who hold our society together, the USPS
I hope technology gets to a point where we could easily CGI and recut the whole show removing all references to police
They've broken the law too many times in too many horrible ways for me to be okay with a show showing them getting off so easily.
9:57 "but seeing that in the real world just immediatly made doing it not fun anymore."
This remind of someone comment about "over the top capitalist corporations in video game". Where they explained it used to be fun when peoples thought that was a line that was never going to be crossed, that you'll never get an Hyperion or cyberpunk megacorp, but now that company do it and sometime worse, it just feel annoying and boring. You're just being reminded of the real world instead of escaping it.
nvm that was the point of the video
This is why it's gotten hard for me to enjoy 4X strategy games.
@@LimeyLassen With the whole "you gotta be an asshole, enslave & conquer left & right"?
@@fefeman2856 You don't have to though.
Alternatively, it can make certain things ridiculous/funny when they were supposed to be serious. I'm not American, but I remember seeing a fair few movies and shows where the president was under threat and it was very serious, almost like the country would greatly suffer if the nefarious villains managed to pull off this assassination or whatever it was. Now, it's not like I'm picturing those president characters as Trump, but his being president just ruins all of those narratives because it's so clear that the role really isn't what it's cracked up to be.
I would like to see how cop shows look like after these riots
I wouldn't get your hopes up. I'm betting nothing really changes.
@@azamonra COPS, which is 32 years old, got cancelled. So, something I guess!
They're gonna cast MARKY MARK!
They will look the same. Maybe one episode where a bad cop is punished because he arrested a black man who was a 100% innocent, a working father of 5 smart kids with a hard working wife and nice house. They will pat themselves on the back and apologise to the black dude who will forgive them. And thats it.
"after these riots" there will be no tv except reruns of the apprentice, if we don't win
i haven't been able to watch cop or military media without feeling really uncomfortable for a long time, this was a much better deconstruction of why than i'd bothered to think about. now i have to rewatch Brass Eye, though.
i hate cop and military media too. it's so uncomfortable to watch the justification and glorification of taking lives. it was never a fight for freedom it was just for the thrill
@@starflurries there are no heroes in cruelty.
There is plenty of anti-war military stuff. Not so much cop stuff.
@@CarrotConsumer I'd recommend Memories of Murder if you want a detective story along those lines.
Honestly was so deeply affected by everything that happened 2019 onward that i cant even fuckin enjoy Megaman X (the storyline) on the same level I used to.
breonna taylor and sandra bland. its black men and women, please dont leave them out of lists.
Exactly. #SayHerName was created because people were sick of the erasure of black women who were victims of police violence.
THIS.
and black trans people too
@red cherry Tony McDade is the most recent one on my mind, especially bcuz it happened in my state
Thank you!! I was just about to comment this
Every time I see “ACAB” my mind just immediately says “Assigned Cop At Birth” which tbh the kinds of people that sign up to become cops... yeah it’s usually true.
I do that too! Lol
SAME I was always so confused when people would say it
oh my god im so glad im not the only one
I know ACAB as a slogan has the weight of history behind it, but I've been tagging my anti-cop posts with "All Cops Are Cowards" because of the constant 'bluh bluh i was afraid for my life' excuses they pull after murdering people.
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Oh god. He cut his hair and now he’s gonna grow his beard to the same magnitude. God help us.
Indeed, how am I supposed to handle that much glorious ginger beard without divine assistance?
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"Cops being bombastically violent/inappropriate is funny" jokes have a very similar energy to "If my kid ever tells me they're gay, I'm going to throw them... a coming-out party, and tell them I love them!" -type jokes.
AKA: "Ha ha, you thought I was going to be bigoted and potentially violent, but I'm not actually. Made you flinch" or "Ha ha, wouldn't it be fucked up if people really acted like that?" Both of which aren't... the best punchlines ever.
I am telling as a person of color.. The cops around here has amplified my issues with anxiety. I once was awakened to 6 cops pointing guns on me.. (My brother unknowingly messaged a girl that lied about her age to him and was actually 17. They never met in person.) So.. They didnt even bothered to knock when they came... They ordered us to get out of house very early in the morning.. Luckily my brother woke me up.. Because there was a fuckin riot squad there.. Keep in mind.. Its just me and my brother.. No criminal history but we live in low income housing sooo.. Anyways they handcuffed me.. They didnt give us a chance to tie up our dog so an officer got beaten and did they whole water works in front of the dude in command.. (We had to pay her medical bills btw) anyways.. Since i have this acute fear of dying and the fact that i was held in gun point by a bunch of cops. It really fucked me up.. I got a bunch of other "incidents" with the local police.. I never been charged for any crime but im a poor hispanic so i must be up something bad... Oh yeah.. There was a time the police thought i broke into a car which was in fact.. My car.. I had to fuckin prove to them that it was under my name and whatnot.. The police is really making it very difficult to give them any respect.. Really fuckin difficult..
But now my mind is at ease.. Thanks to white wealthy conservatives who claim racism is not an issue.. Oh.. Thank god.. I seriously thought i always targeted because of my skin color.. My bad!
Thank you for sharing this. As a non American white person I was shocked at the brutality that lead to the protests, but I understand now, after seeing so many people share their story how atrocious it truly is. It really bothers me that I was so unaware of this huge problem, and how silenced those voices are.
They deserve no respect; they are class traitors, and a lot of them are openly white supremacist.
Better make that AACAB (All American Cops Are Bad)
I swear, y'all have some f*cked up policemen over there in the US. I'm so sorry y'all have to live like that.
I swear, what happened to OP would not even be possible here in the Netherlands, let alone actually happen. (What happened to OP, that's how we treat drugs criminals and their families (if there's no danger like guns). (so I mean die hard criminals) I think Dutch gouvernment would fall if something like what OP described happened here only once.
I'm so so so sorry for the fact that people have to live in the "the good US of A" and experience this. Much love sent from here.
have you tried being white
Phelps is just a bad apple, I mean look at Bekowski. He shouted ineffectually every time phelps knocked over a civilian. What a hero.
U did it! U broke cops down to their essentials
@@Nice__vibes The two cop genders: running over civilians, and yelling at your partner for running over civilians but doing nothing to prevent it
Sorry to tangent, but do you think Phelps never actually doing anything to stop the reaaaally bad partner's racism and sexism was because of how he messed up during the war? Like it destroyed his self respect so he just goes along with the system now.
@@Horatio787 When's our L.A. Noire analysis video Jack Saint? WHERE IS IT!?
Didn't LA Noire have a whole ass character addressing racism, sexism and every other sleazy aspect of the police?
Oh yeah, his name was Roy Earle and he was a fucking great villain.
*spoiler for LA Noire*
Also Phelps died at the end. The entire corrupted status quo he tried to unravel was maintained through the arrest of a scapegoat. The point is made that the only good cop is an ex-cop or a dead cop.
And then we all clapped
@@eldradulthran6482 Or they just get tired of the crappy pay and work conditions and decide to change careers.
A good cop is an ex-cop or a dead cop? Not really. The problem is not with all the cops in the system, it is that bad cops get away with what they have done, due to the flaws of the justice systems.
@@MSMPlays-rc5sh That and most decent cops can't really do anything if their superiors are acting corruptly, unless they want to risk getting in trouble themselves. It invents this paradox where cops are meant to bring law, order and justice, yet they can't fight the injustice that exists within their own system.
@@Wintd1 True.
Copaganda sucks just play animal crossing instead no cops on my island
Maru m I don’t want to be indepted to Tom Crook virtually. Like copaganda, it’s a version of reality that is exaggerated ( for copaganda) or toned downed ( for capitalist propaganda)
What about copper and booker
@@ravenhatter5395 They haven't been added to New Horizons yet. They may appear at a later date, as sort of a seasonal event sort of like Zipper, or Reese and Cyrus. I'm not sure but that's my guess.
@@xciellew Is it though? Tom doesn't force you into adding additions to your home like previous games. He sets you up with a tent free of charge in New Leaf, and allows you to pay off your debt at your own pace. Hell, you could just not pay it off, and nothing bad will happen. No eviction notices, no foreclosures, if anything, Tom would be losing money in these situations, and no capitalist wants that.
Plus, he actually has a character arc. He starts off as the greedy tanuki in Animal Crossing, but after going to the city and losing all his money to a shady business partner, he returns back to his small town and resolves to change. He knows what it's like to venture to a new place and lose everything, so to prevent that from happening to anyone else, he becomes more lax on payments.
Can we keep the cop hat tho I like the hat
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NO MENTION OF ALL THAT LAW AND ORDER NCIS GARBAGE MY FAMILY WATCGHES THAT CONFIRMS THEIR HYSTERIA, IS THIS FRUIT TOO LOW HANGING?
This! Any time I bring up how poorly police tend to handle case of sexual assault or DV, my family’s immediate retort always includes something about SVU.
@@noraunhappy SVU is an idealized world that serves as an escape rather than a reflection of reality. Netflix's Unbelievable is a better reflection and that story is supposed to be uplifting.
The cops are ill equipped to deal with anything that doesn't involve a gun. Facscism takes on many forms, American fascism is one form.
@Conrad Kujur dont most major police forces pass on hiring applicants that score too high on intelligence tests?
aR Ja No.
I think another prevalent thing in cop media is how cops are the judge, jury, and executioner. Criminals somehow become less than, brutalized because crime = they deserve it. I think you failed to address another aspect of cop depiction in media though. The sensitive cops, the ones that are always the good guys. If anyone does anything wrong it’s scapegoated to one bad apple or just a mistake. I think it’s more prevalent in TV Dramas like the Rookie. Those depictions are just as much as a fairytale and seem like another aspect of wish fulfillment.
@@lydiagrace1133 If by "viewed as less than," you mean that they shouldn't be given basic human rights like protection from police brutality, then no. Nobody should have their fundamental rights stripped by a cop, not even the most despicable people you can think of
Unless the series is over, maybe he'll talk about that later on?
@@lydiagrace1133 I was talking about Blossom's comment where they said Jack failed to address the sensitive cop stereotype, saying that maybe Jack will get around to it.
@@scratch2086 sorry I atted the wrong person my bad
also, i'd say kids grow up with this image of the 'justified' violent hero cop, and then go on to dream of being a cop themselves. Its appeal is usually that you get to shoot guns and fight 'the bad guys' instead of protect citizens and make them feel safe. SO naturally there's gonna be violent and irratic people in the police force, since it attracts those kinds of people.
Honestly how messed up is that?
I worked as a preschool teacher and I can't tell you how frustrating and depressing it was to try and unlearn/re-teach my 4 and 5 year olds that cops dont shoot bad guys, they arrest them and take them to jail. It wasn't something I thought about before until I heard it almost daily on the playground, "stop! I'm gonna shoot you!" , just how normalized police violence is and how engrained it becomes at a very young age.
@@taliag09
Dear God
And I thought colonialism was deeply rooted in our minds.
Actually, back when I was like 7 or something, I actually wanted to be a cop and the only thing on my mind was "am I able to pull out a gun quicker than the criminal?"
I envisioned a (white) guy in an alley, probably a drug dealer was what I was thinking
@@taliag09it happens but rarely
hopefully someone will make a kids show that has a strong role-model of what a cop is.
Even Spongebob has a Jab at police Brutality.
Kids' cartoons have always been way ahead of the curve.
Early Spongebob was always spittin facts
@@ashikjaman1940 I seriously learned more about actual life (the complexities of friendship, self esteem verses the esteem of others, how workers strike, tying my fickin' shoes) from Spongebob than from most of school. Incredibly written show pre the first movie.
Which episode?
@@TheIntenseLime I don't know the episodes, but there's a recurring joke with the 2 police officers beating the absolute shit out of innocent characters like Old Man Jenkins.
Is this it? Are you going to finally tear "Blue Bloods" a new one? Did I mention that show had a scene where a man throws himself off a tall building to frame the cops chasing him for police brutality? Also, a Civil Rights-Activist Pastor of a Black Church is a re-occurring Lex-Luthoresque "villain with good publicity."
Ummmm wtf???
He should.
What are you on about?
Surely this isn't what actually happened...right?
Was this show written by Ben Shapiro?
6:59 a lot of black women and black trans folks are killed by the police as well. Breonna Taylor, Sandra Bland, Michelle Cusseaux Tanisha Anderson, Tony McDade... Please don't leave them out of the conversation.
And many more white people. Don’t leave them out as well.
@@MnemonicHeadTrip This isn't about us chief.
Tony McDade wasn't a woman though. He was a trans man. I agree that black women shouldn't be left out of the conversation, but trans men are men, and shouldn't be listed as women.
@@GothicRomantiSystem, they said "black women and black trans folks", not trans women; everything's fine
Andizottel ah, yeah, my mistake. Sorry!
I think it’s about time we go back to having the independent private eye as the hero of our crime fiction. That character was born in an era where Miranda Rights didn’t exist and your local cops were probably part of the mob. In that context, the only way to be a hero was to act outside the corrupt system and actually investigate the crimes the police would ignore... maybe work with trustworthy people in the community the cops wouldn’t think twice about. And probably have to fight a false arrest, because the bad guys frame them. In other words, oddly, I think we need to see more Sam Spade types, as I think they fit our new zeitgeist pretty well.
Im a huge fan of detective shows myself and i just seem to gravitate more towards shows with amateur sleuths rather than police det ctives you know? Things like murder she wrote,father brown and miss marpel i dont know what is about those kinds of shows i just like them better than ordinary police procedurals
Did that Trump tweet just thank... Himself? My God he's just something else
He doesn’t deserve the thanks, the men and women holding the lines out there and controlling be crowds do
I am a black cat AND I BRING THE APOCALYPSE I’m not going to read all of that but I know several officers very personally and they’re good men and women who joined the force to help and keep the peace. You can hate this system that they’re in fine but don’t think that everyone is a terrible horrible person or a racist just because they’re police. They’re human beings with their own lives and goals, not just some hive mind
@@MnemonicHeadTrip you know man there is no point in you trying to say this here, people will always think because a few bad apples and videos without context as to why it happened will always win people over to the side of hating cops but the same 'peaceful' protesters blocked a fire truck from doing it's job of putting out fires
@mrvvinston you are aware that the same firetruck could put out fires that were going on right
@mrvvinston also what's the statistic on cops offing random people
The thing that really gets me sweaty about US police forces is this idea that they think they are entitled to be Judge, Jury, and Executioner.
I find that to be true of almost every police force in the world, not just the US, as police militarization increases rapidly in many countries.
Even if they were entitled to that they still aren't doing it right. As judges, juries AND executioners they would be fired. It's all rotten
That’s literally not how they feel but ok
If you want to try and prove your points feel free to
That's why we don't get many vigilante movies anymore. Remember how the Death Wish remake got controversy for coming out at a really bad time?
RiversCuomo_ have you heard of "warrior training"?
Man, the Simpsons bits used to almost bookend the video just makes me upset at how Lisa is always right and yet always treated like a joke. She deserved better.
She's very often right in the classic era. She just isn't very good at compelling people. Lisa The Vegetarian is the perfect example of her being morally right and also counterproductive.
In her defence, she is 8 years old.
@@theMoporter point. And given Simpsons’ status as an animated sitcom, she’s forever 8 (not counting special bits, even if I adore some of those lol), but still. Tho afaik, the creator doesn’t seem like someone who’d be interested in a spin off where she and her siblings could be older (and given the lower quality in recent times, I’m not sure I’d like it regardless).
that's kinda the joke of it i feel. she's ultimately right most of the time, but she comes off condescendingly because most people want to ignore the types of points she makes. if she were right, that would mean we've all been doing something wrong. why not just shrug her off as some overly optimistic kid and go back to normal. she's the annoying vegan you hate for being all high and mighty; but can't really come to disagree with any of her points.
eric garner and george floyd both having “i cant breathe” as their last breathe isnt a coincidence; they were both choked to death by police. so when i saw a vid recently of a cop choking someone, hearing them say “i cant breathe” and then angrily replying “that shit doesnt work here!” and then punching him in the side of the face, it makes me wonder why anyone would work as a cop for more than a single shift for any good reason.... like, good people try stupid things all the time; but if you’ve been a cop for more than a week or two, than _at the very least_ you value your police salary more than the future of those you arrest.
this is why we say ACAB: it’s not the officers themselves in a theoretical sense; it’s the job itself in a practical sense.... the job of a police officer, _even at its very best,_ is to find someone who’s been screwed over *so bad* by their lack of social safety net that they can’t function in society anymore, and to screw them up _so much worse_ that they can be physically carried away and used as prison labor until their soul is _so deadened_ that they cannot feel the original mental trauma that was never actually healed... at which point they can be released *back into society.*
I feel like this would be much easier for people to understand if it was phrased differently. All Cops are Bastards literally means that every individual officer is a bastard, which is just an insult to actual cops that aren't assholes, which you imagine are a minority.
gu3z1 I initially couldn’t understand it either- it seemed like people were making a sweeping generalization about all police as people, which goes against the very framework of the blm movement- that people shouldn’t be victim to sweeping generalizations about the character of a group of people. When I realized acab was supposed to mean that any cop, even one trying to improve the situation internally or actively fighting racism, is a bastard purely because they are partaking in a broken system, it made a bit more sense, but the name construes something different to that message to me. Bad or confusing naming is a problem in political movements in general to me though- the all lives matter movement isn’t saying that all lives matter equally, the pro life movement isn’t pro life per se, just anti abortion, there’s plenty of examples on both the left and right of weird names that misconstrue a stance.
@@tweakr4377 Yeah, but even then, supporting the police system as a whole is a bit of a generalization, anyone who partakes in any kind of system could be accused of endorsing the worst parts of it, when it comes to police, there's specific organisms that fight against reform (and, not coincidentally, they tend not to include black or latino officers), such as police unions. To me ACAB is a bad idea because not only is it bad publicity for the movement, but also because it sees mass quitting as an effective or realistic way to overwhelm the sytem. I think the first step should be to dismantle police unions.
gu3z1 yeah they should change it to ACAC - all cops are complicit. That way the focus is on their continued working under an unjust system rather than their moral character
@@allyli1718 That's still not great though, as I mentioned in my first comment.
i've never really consumed cop media of any kind but this makes me think about how difficult i find it to watch marvel movies now (despite how much i love some of them) knowing they're often full on military propaganda and support narratives about america that i simply cannot abide lol
I feel disgusted by most of my favorite sitcoms now
It's sad you feel that way. You should really stop.
Stop what?
@@eduardopantoja9115 Feeling bad I'm assuming?
You can understand how a thing on tv represents something bad in the real world and still enjoy the thing on tv.
“The trauma is distant, so the fun never has to end. The simulation never gets to real.” Thank you for boiling down cop media so concisely
LA Noire is somewhat structured to tell a story about how the police force corrupts it's members. The game is basically about how a "good cop" will get so pushed against that they need to either become bad, die, or quit. Tbh it's not really the game's fault that a player creates that dissonance out of their own effort.
Play the game straight without absurdity, and it has a great story to tell about the themes this very video tackles
they should remake it more in the Yakuza style of game rather than the GTA style
Yeah clearly bro just didnt play the game after BLM since it very much goes into racism and corruption of cops
An interesting part about movies and media pushing cop characters that are supposed to be farcical and exaggerated examples of cops like Robocop and Dredd is how police and millitary have co-opted the Punisher skull, a character who was in part made to lampoon the vigilante justice of comic books as he violently and explosively takes justice into his own hands with deadly force outside the confies of the law.
One of the co-creators of the punisher is attempting to reclaim it, he is selling Black Lives Matter punisher skull shirts and donating the proceeds, but yeah, at least one of the creators are not fun of the lampoon being embraced by the people it was made to shine a light on.
While I agree police officers using the punisher skull is terrible, I think we really need to consider this in terms of society as a whole, not just as a policing issue.
Let's face it: we, as a society, have normalized vigilante stories like "The Punisher" and "Dexter". We're A-OK with teenagers reading comics about a former green beret and fbi agent running around New York and gunning people down with no oversight. We made 8 whole seasons of a show about a forensic technician killing people that he judged guilty, all for the expressed purpose of sating his bloodlust. As much as the creators claim that their stories are "satirical" or "parody" I think there comes a time where you have to accept that the fans aren't enjoying it in an "ironic" way. I think when that happens you have two choices: stop feeding into the glorification of vigilantes, or give in and give the crowd what it wants. I honestly think that marvel and netflix have chosen the latter, and the last thing we need is for another group of justice seekers to adopt vigilante imagery as well.
American police officers live in America, and most of them grew up here as well, they watch American TV, and I think the issues we see in policing are symptoms of issues that run deep in our culture. Benjamin Franklin once said "There never was a good knife made of bad steel" and I think that if we keep reveling in violence then we shouldn't expect anything else from our countrymen.
Watching this I kept hoping that you would bring up the movie Detroit, because it is the horror movie that you were talking about at the end. It was honestly one of the most horrifying things I've ever watched, but it didn't use a movie monster in the movie. The cops were just monsters
detroit is a great film! definitely should have brought it up, maybe I'll do an addendum at some point
@@LackingSaint that would be so cool! Absolutely great video, this one is definitely one of my favorites of yours
I would love to see a full episode unpacking Brooklyn 99, whenever you finish the series. I think it's one of the funnier Michael Schur comedies, but it does an incredible amount of reinforcement for white liberal reformist attitudes about the police. The show goes out of its way to distinguish the 99 as people with good intentions who mess up sometimes, but own up to their faults and try to change the system for the better. In turn, I think that distinguishes it from the copaganda that oscillates between "wish fulfillment action hero" and "cartoonish violence funny."
While there are jokes that fit the wink nudge to police violence and incompetence, racism in the NYPD is openly dealt with by Holt on the job, and in one memorable episode, Terry is profiled off the clock. Neither of those instances are the butts of jokes. Jake can be a buffoon, but he's an outspoken ally when it counts. He rejects his Dirty Harry-esque idol when the guy makes homophobic remarks about Holt in one of the first episodes, and he is horrified at prison conditions when he's sent there undercover. So I would say B99 goes beyond your typical lampshading the problem jokes by tackling racism and homophobia seriously........but the solutions that it presents to those problems never question the system in any way that could be unpalatable to a mainstream white liberal audience. The solution is that there need to be more "good cops" like the 99. We just need more diversity in the police department. There are definitely bad cops, but there are also Holts and Terrys and Santiagos and even Peraltas out there fighting to make PDs better. That is a narrative I find in some ways even more insidious than the Dirty Harrys or Tango and Cashes, because it claims to be progressive while still reinforcing the status quo.
Jake is sort of an enigma on this issue
on one hand Jake is motivated by serving the law, and doing what is right, which often drives him to go above and beyond the call of duty for a case and or a hunch that plagues him
He doesn’t have racist views and or profiles anyone, because all he cares about is what is right and wrong, so he will defend a innocent person and or go after a suspect no matter what ethnicity, creed or etc
at the same time this often involves him violating police procedure, the law, civil rights, and Jake being unable to see law and criminality as anything other than black and white sometimes
the other issue is that Jake idolizes and makes clear he loves the idea of being the “police-action” hero type that is so often shown in action films and media
his favorite “cop” film is even Die hard, despite the fact die hard has not a single example of actual police work in it other than the fact the main character is a cop, which is just a justification used to explain with some foresight why he has a gun and can blast away and or kill off all the evil terrorists.
this however, often gets him in trouble and he’s is forced to “grow up” as it were by Holt on many cases and do actual police work.
Hey, if you play LA Noire without taking the roleplay to obeying traffic laws, that's on you, buddy.
I just cruise around like a normal person listening to that one song about your girlfriend being addicted to gin or whatever.
Yeah, this. I don't know if we're boring, but I rather enjoyed living up to Phelps' stiff upper lip adherence to playing by the rules, even when it was not explicitly being demanded of me by the game. I think it's more fun to try playing a cop who also follows the laws they're sworn to uphold. It's more fantastical, anyway.
Also, Phelps is so proper that if your hat flies off during exertion, such as climbing fences or sprinting, you can actually walk over to it and he'll pick it up and put it back on. I absolutely adore little touches like that! It says so much about him as a person.
@@grammarmaid "It's more fantastical" lmao.
Yeah, all that, PLUS, how are the car chase missions and quick responses even any fun if you're just running over people and crashing cars and whatever like you just do in normal play, anyway? The whole fun there, for me, comes from trying to maybe break some traffic rules to keep up speed, as neccessary, without causing any harm.
Ah, maybe we're just dorks.
Legit, aside from some impatience with traffic lights in the game I generally tried to either obey the road rules or at least just avoid hitting anything. Would have stayed with only using his car too if the mechanics didn't encourage you to steal others for collection reasons (it's been so long, I can't remember if you got achievements or what but it was something).
Fortunately there wasn't much realism, like the very real corruption scandal, the anti-Latino sentiment, the suspecting of communists everywhere (especially among Jewish Americans).
It's crazy how fast this country not only fell into a fascist state but was embraced by half of the population.
I feel like the fascism should have been obvious for years before this, and people, myself included, had been completely oblivious. Neo-nazis and KKK are protected yet they’re fascists and dream of genocide. Fascists will always make their way to places of power, and they are VERY sneaky. Once they have power, then it becomes known.
And then you listen how the country operates in "Last week tonight" and understand it's always like this. Especially if they can pull the brains out of europe (by some unexplicable reason)
Yep. Same shit here in Brazil
" " " "right-wing populism" " " "
"Fell into fascism" No, the veil is just being lifted. It's always been a fascist state
The feeling I get from many of these shows is generally, rhe audience doesnt WANT the police to be bad, bc being against cops makes you a criminal (going by movie logic here), and thats bad, so obviously the cops have to be good right?
I remember a bunch of older shows with the cops beeing the antagonists, but somehow the idea of a cop beeing the bad guy, (not bc he is corrupt, but because they're a cop) is very foreign in current media where the protagonists are not likable criminals.
There's a banned episode of Polizeiruf 110, which was only partially reconstructed. They were banned for two reasons. One, East Germany transmitted the message that sexually deviant killers (this man killed young boys, while also raping them) only exist in the West, and two, because in addition to using the actual killer, the members of the secret police (whose division investigated such cases) used their own kids first in place of dummies for the crime scene recreation.
Grand Theft Auto is one of the best selling pieces of media of all time.
@@CarrotConsumer in which cops aren't the bad guys.
@@anna-flora999The cops in the GTA series are cartoonishly evil. Hell, a cop is literally the main villain of San Andreas
Imma go back and rewatch The Shield, the show they had to rename from "Rampart" weeks before launch due to legal threats from the LAPD because the original name directly referenced their actual real world abuses. Terrible cops doing all the sorts of shit they get away with in the real world. Why did we never see more representations of cops like this?
My dad was a cop and he loved The Shield. Whenever someone who is pro cop watches a cop show, they only care that the cops get the bad guy (doesnt matter how) and looks cool (even if they are doing something bad). Its the Joker effect, even if the media is literally telling you "this is wrong", people have their mind set to "this guy is a hero". The fight club effect. Breaking bad effect. The message and actions dont matter, if the guy looks cool people will relate to them.
@@PalitoSelvatico It's like how peoples saw Senator Armstrong in Metal Gear Rising, a social darwinist who think it's okay to create war because it'll allow the strong to stand on top, who do a fuckton fo fucked up things, and is essentially the worst patriotism can get...
And yet you got peoples who went "Well, this bad guy is okay for lobotomizing children into child soldiers... but he want to make america great again, so he's a good guy!"
@@fefeman2856 personally, I think Senator Armstrong built up such a fandom because he directly addressed the military industrial complex and packaged his fascism in aspirational language during the big final showdown, which was also the first point that he'd really been onscreen.
It's the same as how you had people voting for Trump in the 2016 primaries because he was the only guy saying things like "NAFTA was shit" and "the Clintons couldn't care less about you people, there's two tiers to society and you're all in the tier that gets fucked". When nobody on the TV is talking about obvious horrible shit, and then someone, anyone starts screaming "THE WIZARD'S A GODDAMN HOLOGRAM, GET THAT LITTLE BASTARD BEHIND THE CURTAIN!"...
People can end up rationalizing away that guy's obvious horribleness because of how good it feels to not feel like you're the only one who sees how fucked up and nightmarish the world is.
There was more to the Trump phenomenon, obviously, but I think it was the reason for some of those people who flipped from Obama to Trump.
Brooklyn 99 is interesting in that it definitely shows a lot of police work being done the "right" way by ethical officers who aren't too hung up on the exercise of their own power. BUT, it also exists in a kind of fantasy space where that's legitimately how cops reliably are. It also avoids a lot of the rough interactions between police and the public by focusing entirely on detectives, rather than patrol officers, who are mostly comedy relief to the slightly more straightlaced detectives and investigators.
It also regularly depicts terrible occurances as comedic. Arresting sex workers, holding suspects without evidence, using anti-terror weapons like sound cannons on innocent people, and tearing down defense lawyers who protect peoples' rights.
It's not really that different from reality in regards to how evil police are, it just makes them funny and diverse. (And ignores the fact that the KKK and other white supremacist organizations have made it a point to invade police organizations, to the point that the FBI refuses to interact with them.)
There's a whole episode where they hold a suspect without evidence as a joke and it's portrayed as annoying and dumb when the suspect tries to get a lawyer. Brooklyn 99 is propoganda plain and simple
Dini G. They do that same episode twice . Once in the 1st season and again in the 5th, I remember bc there was a joke callback
b99 is absolutely copaganda, jake tries to get a guy deported bc he doesnt like him, rosa's whole shtick is that she commits police brutality like thats the entire joke. b99 is unique only in the disgusting fact that it is marketed directly to groups most likely to be faced with police violence using its diversity. every episode that they have had about things real life cops do (how prisons are messed up, racial profiling) its just another case of the wink at the camera like 'wow would be fucked up if that was true right guys?' that Jack mentioned in his vid
@@normal6483 Sure, but arresting sex workers never happens on-screen and is only in accordance to local law, the show doesn't ever attempt to justify this in any moral way or even puts this front and center. The sound cannons are used against other cops, and yes, that's portrayed as comedic, but it's hardly a "terrible occurrence" as it's never used on civilians, and the defense attorneys are also specifically placed in charge of defending privilidged dicks who break the law and think they're above it, with the exception of that early episode (the same one with the unlawful arrest), the show doesn't present the attorneys as representing the true underdogs and have the cops 'heroically' step over the prisoner's rights in any way.
My parents watch almost every cop show on TV at least once. I’m personally sick to death of “lone cop doesn’t play by the rules” or more positively, “lone cop squad plays by every rule.” I’ve been wanting a show about internal affairs for YEARS. I want to see corruption get exposed. I don’t want another hard hitting drama about “it’s a cop show, but the main character is quirky. It’s totally different than other cop shows.”
Not enough of them show the system’s gaping flaws. It’s Hollywood glossing over the hidden nuances that promote white supremacy. As much as I appreciate shows like B99 with their casting methods, there aren’t enough of them.
I would like to see another video talking about the over saturation of cop dramas on TV. Dick Wolf is uh.... certainly a character in that regard.
every time i watch ur copaganda vids im just reminded of how much that Blue Bloods show annoys me lmaoo. Granted, i dont watch it, my mum does but sometimes i catch them touching on the topic of police brutality towards black people and i just.....Yikes ykno. i remember one episode where a cop accidentally knocked into someone or something stupid like that and suddenly a video of him doing it was all over social media and being called police brutality. could not roll my eyes hard enough lmao
Watched a bit of a film where a man went through false rape accusations. Had the same vibe of "WE'RE VICTIMS, TOO!" or "WE'RE THE REAL VICTIMS!!"
omg yes! I like watching procedural cop shows (who know why? Probably because I can just let them run in the background and don't get emotionally invested) but I could not watch Blue Bloods. This show made me so fucking angry that I wrote out an entire video script in my head about how much it plays into liberal peoples idea of police brutality and racism in the police.
There is this one scene where a cop runs after a black man into an alley and then the black man actually has a gun and threatens to kill him so the cop has to shoot him in order to save himself and then of course the straw man BLM activists get all angry about it and the poor cop is being investigated even though he did nothing wrong. There's also an episode where they have to investigate a church in a black neighborhood and even though they are being super reasonable and just good cops doing their job, the angry irrational black people won't let them investigate and the cop just doesn't understand why because HE personally is not racist, he even has black friends.
I swear, every other episode of that show is just the writers crying about how cops are the real victims here.
Okay, sorry for the rant, I hate this show with a passion, I know it's not the biggest problem in the world, I'll shut up now.
@@imaginareality yeah i've noticed they do that a lot. The whole "BLM activists" getting angry at the "non-racist, good cops" over nothing. glad im not the only one who gets pissed off by the show though lol
@@TheNinja94a I mean I haven't seen the scene you've talked about specifically but it is a very real problem that happens much mor often than you think, and I think it can be a bit triggering when victims of false accusations are told to essentially shut up because it's not as common as the reverse. People who use it as a political tool are obviously despicable, but it irreversibly ruins lives, and our current legal systems are just incapable of treating it with the severity it deserves.
Copaganda does an unfortunately great job of portraying the police as the only means of public protection and justice. Many of the shows with cops will rarely acknowledge the efforts and responsibilities of other public community services, especially those that are better equipped to resolve situations that police (in reality) would just make worse.
How much cop media leans into the just world fallacy, that people get what they deserve, as a justifying ideology? I don't remember hearing anything about that in any of Jack's analyses of copaganda.
That's not exclusive to cop media. That's how "heroes" and "villains" in fiction work. Good people are right and win, bad people are wrong and lose.
I started watching Narcos for the first time, I'm on a Pedro Pascal spree don't judge me, and like.....I literally can not watch it. It's set in the 80s-90s and the main character(s) are either the DEA or the literal narcos. The narrator goes on long tangents about communism and the war on drugs and his character has no problem shooting and killing any ol "criminal"... There's a scene where the FBI waterboards a communist priest like wtf
But the point would be is the show saying that is good, or is pointing out and or at least showing the historical attitudes, factors and methods that were used and or conducted at the time?
Brooklyn 99 is interesting because while it is a goofy cop show, it tries to address topics like racial profiling. There's an episode where Terry himself gets racially profiled, and it is treated with seriousness. Along with the attitude towards sexuality in the series (it has been praised for its depiction through Holt and Rosa), it serves to produce a cuddlier type of copaganda that even a social liberal can enjoy.
And Rosa suggests police brutality
And Jake breaks laws because he had a hunch
Still copaganda just politically correct until it would go against the status quo
@@imsmolandangery4274 something that I find interesting is that jake explicitly acts that way because he grew up on "copaganda"
@@imsmolandangery4274 Don't forget the episodes dedicated to hating public defenders. Not even hot-shot high-price defence attorneys that always get their clients off the hook, public defenders. Just entire episodes of them basically saying they wish poor people didn't get any legal defence.
Oooh, or the episode where Jake "busts" a whole bunch of sex workers and their clients, all while crowing about how lots of them will be up for felony charges, because it means he can win a bet.
And that's exactly the problem: it produces copaganda that otherwise socially aware people like, enjoy, and then feel obligated to defend.
@@Geothesponge111 if I remember correctly, wasn't the only ones who were arrested the pimps as opposed to the workers themselves?
For alternative portrayals, i'd recommend FX's The Shield and HBO's the Wire. the wire trends hard towards a realistic and human portrayal, while the Shield is in some ways a long tale of how corruption corrupts
The Wire also being the best television drama of all time
It still rubs me the wrong way that the one "bad apple" cop learned the error of his ways and became a high school teacher.
@@LimeyLassen Not gonna lie: that particular storyline is a bit problematic, but i think head writer David Simon trends towards the optimistic, so it makes sense in his ideal world that the bad apples would quit being bad police and pick up a job where they're able to affect real, positive social change, and educating disaffected youth IS one way to do that.
Would most "bastard cops" make that choice and actually improve the world rather than worsening it? absolutely not, but it sure does make for an optimistic outcome for a story & character who made the world worse before they changed and made it better.
Oh my god, finally somone else mentions The Shield !!!
@@LimeyLassen Good cops leaving the police force to go do something else is totally normal though and I'm glad they showed that. My dad had a friend that went into the police force to do good for the community who quit after a short while because of arrests quotas and ineffective bureaucracy.
There were tonnes of bad apples in the series though. They mostly aren't focused on, with the closest being Herc and Carver. While Carver does improve, Herc, in my opinion, didn't really improve much if at all. The majority of the eastern district police are shown to be uncaring and quick to revel in brutality and power trips, they're just not focused on because they're less interesting characters, since they don't develop in any way.
That's how I see it at least. The show is filled with bad cops. They're basically the default. The beat cops are shown as violent and uncaring and the detectives are shown as lazy and uncaring. All of which is formed not by the individuals who decided to be so, but because of the broken system which pressures people into adopting these behaviours.
Big recommend to Memories of Murder, Korean film from Bong Joon-Ho, director of Parasite. It's a great film about detectives investigating a serial killer, but it also shows why police brutality and misconduct is not conducive to greater justice.
True.
The whiplash from "Police Brutality is everywhere. cops are arresting reporters. They're firing tear gas into crowds. Hell world." To "HAHA buy my sponsor! For only $10 a month you can do bleh bleh bleh"
Watch some "Hot Fuzz" if you wan't to see a funny cop movie with a very different view of police work.
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That was absolutely part of the joke. Angel is portrayed as an over-the-top perfect cop in action and morals, but every other cop in the movie is either incompetent or malicious.
Unfortunately not. Edgar Wright made that movie with the explicit purpose of using it to frame cops positively, because he felt like there were too many gangster movies.
I dunno if he’s changed his views lately, (I hope he has), but Hot Fuzz is deliberate propaganda.
Chris P. Waffles Nicholas Angel had a record-breaking amount of arrests in London. Black people are more likely to be jailed in the UK than white people for the same crimes, just like here in the US.
It doesn’t matter whether he himself is racist, Nicholas Angel is a tool of racism.
Chris P. Waffles He might’ve come around. He didn’t prominently show any cops in Baby Driver, much less portray them favorably.
when i watched Wolf on Wall Street in theaters the audience found the drugged-out behavior hilarious while i was just horrified that this was a real person who was supposed to be taking care of a child & was a drug addict.
That dude coming from behind the doorway in "It Follows" is, like, the scariest shit ever.
I been asking for a new Cops episode review for a while, though mainly on Paw Patrol
Remember kids, Chase the police dog is a class traitor
all dogs go to heaven, except the class traitors in paw patrol
Paw Patrol should have an episode where Chase quits the force and becomes a vigilante
@@Quackervoltz then what kill poor cats?
it's still early days, but maybe the protest wave is the turning point for the "high-larious psycho cop movie" trend and the genre will wane
I hope for a better change. In 1990, after the unification of Germany, the powers that be felt the best way to find healing is to sweep all those border killings under the rug by applying the laws of the by then defunct state to try and convict people, who shot people while they only yearned freedom. In many cases, statute of limitations have expired, in other cases they were declared not guilty, the actual shooter or the a higher up in the chain of command already died, yet in most cases, they got probation.
Here's why this is important: as Germany for the most part didn't have a long history with civil rights, the then far-left mentality found refuge on the far-right, hence why the current far-right party is so popular. They had the gall to ask a former border guard a few years back to be their candidate, and they ran on a platform that he should be elected as nobody knows border security. If a catharsis doesn't happen, the Tea Party/QAnon crowd will depart the GOP, establish its own platform and will run people like that in the future (though, they already run one in Georgia).
Nearly four years later, nothing's changed.
There’s an episode of Brooklyn Nine-Nine where someone is trying to kill Jake. It turns out to be a man Jake arrested for drugs, whose life went to hell after that. I was on that guys side.
I wish Sophia (jakes lawyer ex played by Eva Longoria) was still a recurring character. She was the only one to point out how villainous the police are. It was her boss Jake arrested which is why they break up
Yeah I’m not sure how I feel about that show now. It’s still pretty funny but the fact it makes cops just look like lovable goofballs is kinda weird.
my source isn’t that reliable but i’ve heard the real nypd check b99 scripts to make sure they make police look good so there’s no way they’d bring sofia back just for her to point out the flaws in the police system again. its really the worst type of copaganda.
Okay just for clarification
the guy who is trying to kill jake is actually Sophia’s ex- boss from her law firm who Jake arrested after he caught him snorting a gallon of coke in a public washroom
turns out that the guy cheated on his wife, has done many crimes, and multiple more drugs, refused to do the community service he was charged with for doing the drugs and lost his marriage and job
yeah they make the point that the attorney got a reduced sentence and only had to do community service, but instead did more drugs and more crimes instead.
and he blames jake, even going so far as to try and make jake the scapegoat for his bad decisions and multiple crimes and plans to kill jake after forcing him at gun point to take the blame for everything he did wrong in his life.
that’s not someone whose side i would ever be on.
@@reeko4390 If your source isn’t reliable why do you treat and talk about it like it is?
there actually is a reference to them being sympathetic to druggies
Specifically the chadman boswick episode where jake states he would be more sympathetic to the suspects drug problem (and that drug addiction is a massive problem facing society) if he had't committed cold blooded murder.
Just to point out the 21 jump street clip, they literally had to release the suspect afterwards and were literally put on review by their commander who send them to the jump street as a last chance
they not only get in trouble for doing that, but they are reprimanded and even transferred to another division (punished for it)
Gotta be honest: I’m such a non-chad that I’ve never ploughed through groups of people in LA Noir, I let the partner drive. It doesn’t make me a better person (obviously), but now I’m going to be vulnerable and tell you that it makes me *feel* like a better person (at least a little) when it absolutely shouldn’t. More accurately it makes me a bit of an uncreative gamer, happy to play exactly as the developer intended, too immersed in being the character as intended to have a unique experience (as much as you might look back on your individual choice to find humour in something I never wanted to consider doing objectionable behaviour on your behalf). Idk, art and our reaction to it is a weird and intensely individual experience.
I stopped playing la noire after the scene in witch two cops broke in a homeless ppl comune let by a comunist word war 2 veteran and brutaly kill like 5 homeless ppl just to procede to emprison a murder suspect, that's right, not even a confirmed criminal, just a suspect. It was outrageus, and, the worse part? The game forces you to do that. There was not alternative path, the game comits a atrocity like that, makes you a accomplice and then tries to justify itself.
I like to think la noire is a commentary on police brutality, the problem is that it shows you the horror, but fails to condeem it.
I'm gonna say it: it's a deeply problematic game. And it's a shame, because it's also a good one, but it lack of sensitivity throws it to the mud
i don't know if i'd say it's "deeply" problematic, but maybe that's my bias because i do love the game. i will say that it felt to me like it was designed to validate whatever perspective you came with, and can be problematic in a lot of places because of that. i felt like the game seemed to try pretty hard to clarify that you're basically the only good cop, and you even get punished because of that. maybe this is wrong but if i recall correctly about the scene you referenced, you're partner starts the shooting and you're not forced to kill anyone, you just get into a fistfight with the suspect. also, the climax of the game literally involves taking down a ring of corrupt police, politicians, and businessmen. i think this is especially interesting since halfway through the game there's a more conventional serial killer case that you would expect to be the climax but isn't (phelps doesn't even get credit for solving the case due to the killer's connection to powerful people). obviously even these examples aren't without their problems. there's also several leftist characters who are portrayed as deranged, so there's that.
i guess i agree with you lol, especially about the lack of sensitivity
@@Aaron-fy4wo Sorry if was weirdly worded, I'm not a native speaker. And I agree, is not like the game is advertly hateful, I would even go as far as to say that most of their problematic things are accidental rather than intentional. Its certainly not Rapelay.
And you are absolutely right about pointing out that you don't do the shooting but your partner, thanks I didn't remember that. I would argue that that's still terrible tho, like the other 4 cops that saw the murder of Floyd and did nothing.
There's also the anti-Semitic bits on the first case of the game to force a confession on a suspect on one of the first cases, but that's a whole different can of worms
I do think it would probably be good to finish the game, as I sayed, it has a lot of great things, and it's a fun and well made game, even if some aspects have aged poorly
have you ever thought about the fact that maybe not all forms of media owe you an explanation? not everything is made with beating you over the head with its point in mind, sometimes you're just supposed to reach your own conclusion based on what you've seen
@@bugcatcher101 what's the problem? Sounds like they came to their own conclusion
There's a video that talks about how much violence there is in LA: Noire and with how excessive violence is in gaming (about 7 years old and by MrBtongue). He's not against the idea of something like DOOM, but just how much there is in the medium (within players and developers consciousness). Noire has so much of it since it's expected and people will get frustrated since they'll think "It's been 10 minutes since I shot someone. Where's the gunplay?" and will quit and leave a bad review.
Here's the vid: ua-cam.com/video/5ZM2jXyvGOc/v-deo.html
man, this has been in my watch later for a few years and i'm finally getting around to it and boy is it a grim watch in 2024
Great video!
whoever's reading this, I hope you have a great day. There's a lot going on in the world right now, but keep fighting, keep speaking out. We are the change that we want to see.
Black lives matter.
defund the police
abolish the police
So with defund do you mean stop funding all around? Cause the USA would descend into Chaos if that was the case
@@danielschnitzer7044 in this case, defund is shorthand for downsize
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no, but also, no it likely wouldn’t. In situations where the police have drastically scaled back their operations (in response to being held responsible for crimes committed by police officers, as a bargaining chip), there was no significant increase in crime, just a drop in arrests. The police are not the only thing standing between the united states and unbridled chaos, but they need us to think that they are in order to keep their power.
@@nukiradio ah, you know instead of cutting it's Worker's pay which would decrease Police recruits, a reform is needed, yes that means that some cops have to be fired, training has to be Extended how to handle a situation without guns. Here in Germany the police force is trained to use their weapons as a last resort, instead of First response to a wrong move
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So, I reread Terry Pratchett's Night Watch just before the protests kicked off (as many Discworld fans are wont to do for the 25th of May), and it's interesting the way the central villain of that particular book is finally captured at the end and how it specifically contrasts scenes like this. Sam Vimes, the Commander of the Ahnk-Morpork City Watch (a sort of fantasy-analogue to police with the books as almost-fantasy-analogue detective procedurals), has been struggling with the difficulties of being a "good cop" in an inherently corrupt system, and with his personal impulses to violence the entire book. And It's a triumphant moment when Vimes finally knicks Carcer and _doesn't_ give into the cathartic urge to do him further harm. He defends himself when Carcer jumps him, yes, but once Carcer's restrained, Vimes has sworn to see he's given fair due process, even though Carcer is a gleefully violent murderer who's obviously going to hang for his crimes and "no one would blame [Vimes] for doing the hangman out of five dollars and a free breakfast." The climax of the next City Watch book, Thud!, plays to a similar beat of turning the restraining of cathartic, vengeful bloodlust into something heroic and aspirational, also, and does so while making you emotional about a man screaming "WHERE'S MY COW?"
Basically, the City Watch Discworld books are... interesting to examine under this lens, and an interesting bunch of books to examine my relationship to right now, for reasons partly summarized by this: Vimes is the kind of character that, if you walked up and told him "all cops are bastards", he'd nod and go "yeah, that sounds about right", with full awareness that includes himself. And then he does his damnedest to get the bunch of bastards to do right by the city and its people anyway.
Terry Pratchett was one of those authors whose thoughtfulness and empathy about the world really shine through in their writing.
I'm a former Airborne Infantry SGT that participated in the invasion of Iraq in 2003. I was asked by a friend if I liked Counter Strike or Call of Duty and I said, "absolutely not." She asked why and stated how much she loved those games. I said, "I saw the real thing and the games are absurd glorifications of something that I wish I could take back."
I'd just like to thank you for the content warning at about 21:00 - as someone who really doesn't cope well with depictions of gory violence, it was welcome being able to just turn my screen away for 20 seconds rather than having that stuff suddenly forced upon my eye holes. Thanks
Me too. I hate watching violence/horror stuff. Just don’t get the appeal. Live action violence just seems to real to me...
@@kiwi8133 I literally pass out when looking at a needle, but could look at all of those scenes fine. It's just Jello!
I think you're missing something important: The hollywood cop is nothing without the hollywood criminal. These archetypes cannot exist in isolation from each other. The reason the hollywood cop is so easily able to abuse their power, threaten people into compliance, goad suspects into confessing and sometimes just assault people while still being the hero is because the targets of their otherwise-terrible behavior are the hollywood criminals - the people of little or no redeeming moral character, who exist to inspire only negative reactions from the audience. First fear, then disgust, then relief when they 'get what's coming to them.' Be that an arrest, getting shot, or the satisfaction of seeing the hero snap someone's bones. There's a reason hollywood especially loves perverts and sex crimes: The most hate-worthy the criminal, the more satisfaction comes from seeing their pain and suffering.
A lot of people are quite happy with this situation even in the real world. If the police smash someone's face into the floor during an arrest... criminal scum must have deserved it, right? Their own fault for resisting.
The most accurate depiction of a cop in movies is in _Pulp Fiction_ with the scene in the basement.
thank you so much for the ruff mcgruff outro
one time i went to a record store in seattle, got to talking with staff, eventually i brought up the ruff mcgruff album, eventually walked out only to hear it loaded up on youtube & blasted over the loudest street speakers ever, i vividly recall they specifically played "crack & cocaine"
let's not forget all of the black women who are ALSO victims of police brutality #SayHerName
I’ve been watching too much UA-cam media crit, when you said “loose cannon cop, Dirty Harry” for a moment my brain interpreted this as “loose canon” a la Lindsay Ellis and I spent a few seconds trying to make sense of it in this sentence before I remembered the original phrase
Nice patricia taxxon track in the intro!!
You know, I've watched your videos for a few months now, and I've wanted to say this for a while.
I don't agree with a lot of your political views, BUT I love your analysis, and I appreciate a LeftTuber who actually calls fascism fascism, and Neo-Liberalism and Neo-Conservatism what they are. You clearly and politely state your case, and provide alternatives. You are, by far, my favorite "LeftTuber" to watch, as you help keep me grounded, and help keep me from being tempted to close off in an echo chamber.
So cheers, man. I appreciate what you do, my dude.
Oh, and to add, Black Lives Matter, demilitarize the police, and end the war on drugs. Sic semper tyranus.
Even I like him, though I am socially centre-right.
In “third world” countries state sanctioned brutality is decried, but in the US and many others it is lauded.
I find Brooklyn 99 really fascinating - it draws in people who would normally be advocating for the dissolution of the police (liberals, leftists, ect) with great representation for people of colour and LGBT people, and funny and likeable characters. Then, when people call for the abolition of the police, the people who watch it say ‘no, cops are funny and nice like in Brooklyn 99!’
Very clever cop propaganda
this is a legitimate point but have you ever actually heard someone argue against police abolition using brooklyn 99 as evidence? i understand that it reinforces false ideas about cops but i seriously doubt it's singlehandedly dismantling anyone's anti-police leftism lol that seems like a really annoying strawman
Thalia Peters I don’t think it’s single handily dismantling anti-police leftism, but I have heard people claim that Jake Peralta taught them that cops are good and that the job is honourable and enviable. The show itself is not causing more brutality but I do think (however unintentionally) that it is adding to the pushback of ACAB. The people it influences are vulnerable and looking for characters to idolise and look up to - its characters provide that, and then tell them that being a cop is good. Because Jake is such an untoxic, likeable man, he provides young men with a positive view of masculinity and then inspires them to become cops, or at least sympathise with the police. I digress, but I have heard people use this show in debates and ‘proof’ that cops are good people
Jack Saint: "The Krampus can't get you"
Me, a Krampusphobe: "Oh, thank goodness :)"
@Divertissement Infinite Me, still a Krampusphobe: Oh, this is does not bode well for me! :,(
But I want the Krampus to get me... romantically.
One of the other reasons cops still get seen in nothing but good light in media is because the police and military are often quite willing to collaborate with a studio. The studio gets money and "realism" about training, equipment, and procedures, and the cops and military get _excellent_ PR, because nothing they don't like stays in.
I really wish we'd get more stuff like how the police are portrayed in say...... Ace Attorney. Detective Dick Gumshoe keeps getting fired from his job because he keeping trying to be the mythical "good cop", even when the final case in the very first game the chief of police fucking murders a detective started pestering him about what he didn't want him to in the evidence room and covered it up.
Really it'd be great if more media tried to point out more often "yes, good cops do exist, but bad cops will go to extreme lengths to silence them." Better Call Saul's "Five-0" is another great example. "good cops" tend to not stay cops for very long, either being silenced, removed from the force.... or even killed. As what typically happens to people who try to change a corrupt system from the inside.
"Duh, but it's just a few bad apples DUH!" is what you'll typically hear in response, which means that the current system must stay unchanged... forever... I'm just waiting for a movie to come out with the title, "Blue Lives Murder".
@@captainautobots eh probably need more psychologists to work for police departments
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face, forever." - George Orwell
I saw your tweet about people misconstruing the point of this video before watching it, so when literally hear you saying the thing that one of the comments did proving without a shadow of a doubt that that person did not watch the video past 5 minutes I got audibly annoyed.
I never understand how cops want to be cops because they get to “save lives” and “be badass” while firefighting and disaster relief exists…
Honestly, I think that Chris Nolan's movies actually toe the line very well in regards to their depiction of the police. I'm thinking specifically of Insomnia and The Dark Knight Trilogy. They all do a pretty good of showcasing police corruption without playing it for laughs or making it unrealistic. Dormer in Insomnia is still the protagonist, but his corruption is one of his character flaws. The final scene is especially notable, as he tells Hilary Swank's Burr "not to lose her way" when she almost throws away evidence of him having killed his partner, who was going to testify about his corruption to Internal Affairs.
Watching this makes me so angry... I admire the protesters that have remained mostly peaceful in the face of this disgusting behaviour of the police. Driving cars into crowds? That is LITERALLY what terrorists do. No justice, no peace.
Wow I was absolutely caught off guard to hear part of the McGruff album as your outro I thought it was forgotten
The police cars slowly pushing through a crowd was absolutely infuriating
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. If you’re dumb enough to block a police car that needs to get through to respond to a call, you deserve whatever harm you get.
@@MnemonicHeadTrip By the same logic, if police are dumb enough to keep murdering black people during riots over the murder of black people...they deserve whatever happens to them, right?
@@MnemonicHeadTripis death a fair sentence for blocking first responder traffic? Does one deserve death without trial for blocking traffic?
If your in a car trying to get through a crowd do you: A. Reroute, B. Move slow enough to not run over people and slowly push them out of the way(maybe hurting some feet) or C. Fuckin jolt faster like the clips shown here
@@gabriellegibby3293Where should you have your safe and civil protest?
A. The place designed for cars to travel at high speeds
B. Literally anywhere else
@@MnemonicHeadTripsomeone didn't watch the video and is here to react to comments in a thoughtless reactionary way
I got a PS4 during covid and tried playing Arkham Knight but it didn't feel right. You're basically a militarized cop driving a tank around a city erupting in riots. It felt like i was on the wrong side
Oh no! Not the 1's and 0's, whatever shall they do? >_____________________>
@@NemesisOgreKing I think you're missing the point.
One of the main reasons cop media doesn't take a more serious depiction of police violence is actually because police unions subsidize cop shows and movies that are goofy and silly and sue or boycott depictions that are more serious.
Much like the US Military funding the MCU movies...
@@domingadoflaminga3961I don’t give a fuck, because they are marvel movies. No one should expect marvel movies to present a serious philosophical or political point
My favorite depiction of a police officer being reprimanded is the scene from Fresh prince of Bel Air. Where the Lawyer Uncle and caring Aunt give the police officer hell for how they treated Will Smith and Carlton. It even goes as far to basically say it only ended the way it did because Carlton came from a wealthy family. Most people the Police violently violate aren’t and that’s likely why if you have a smaller support network the cops won’t care to restrain themselves.
The only realistic representation of cops in media I can recall was in "Detroit" 2017 Based on a real event, the Algiers Motel incident during Detroit's 1967 12th Street Riot. It's a hard watch but an important one if you can stomach it.
@Reisenschein Good point.
This video really resonated with my views. After what’s happened recently, I can’t stand watching police shows glorify cops doing “illegal things for the right reason”. Like interrogating someone without a lawyer present, threatening and harming witnesses, and other awful things. It’s painfully real now.
No smart thoughts but I wanna comment for the algorithm
More comments boost the algorithm?
Scratch yes
That's something definitely understandable. The cop trope stopped being funny to me about three years ago, when a kid got beaten and raped to near death in France. The kid was about my age, and it felt so horrible that cop stuff just made me angry...
Oh this is SUCH a fascinating essay. The swift unraveling of the apparent contradiction when talking about torture horror vs. cop comedy? Genius. Thanks for making this!
The 9/11 thing is actually kind of fascinating - when you learn about stuff like Abu Ghraib, the sublimation of US citizens' horror about the WTC attack into torture fixation ends up feeling very Hmmmmmmmmm to say the least.
Here in Brazil, we grew up with military police on the streets and watching some of this movie, we always laughed at the "why are you doing this ? you're cops!" kind of jokes because it's commun knowledge that it's pointless to argue with a cop. It's like "lmao silly guy thinks he can stop someone with a badge by reasoning"
There’s a DnD stream I watch called fantasy high, one of the parents is a cop and the DM has gone on record saying that will change in series 3....I appreciate that decision
What do the other parents do?
@@malcomchase9777 gnomish inventors, bloodthirty pirate, a sad elf....those are the good ones. The bad ones are religious cultists and just straight assholes xD
Didn’t think I’d find a d20 reference here! To further clarify, the DM has announced that the cop character, who was always portrayed as a good voice amongst a group of goofy corrupt cops, has been taking night classes in Law and is planning on de-escalating and defunding the police force next season, presumably replacing them with social workers and people trained in de-escalating situations and rehabilitation.
also, isn't there always that episode where some external higher-ups come into the main cast's police department because there are claims of corruption and every single character in the department hates them for trying to uncover the actual corruption that's going on lol and then those external forces always 'lose' against the main cast because they were soOOO 'evil' trying to uncover the truth
don't watch copaganda. just don't
I accidentally watched a 29 minute anti-cop propaganda video oops
*My dumb brain processing all the points of Jack Saint*
Me: 1:14