I met James Doohan a number of times. In my life I’ve meet dozens and dozens of celebs and James was without doubt one of the nicest, most hard working people I have ever met. He was so kind to everyone and always made them feel special. One of the times I saw him he was signing autographs in a video store that was celebrating one of the new Star Trek films. It was in the middle of summer in the Washington DC area. There was a huge queue out the door and he insisted on staying well past the time stated and talked to every single person. It was a miserable hot day, even in the store, and the poor lad was exhausted yet he took his time with every fan, never rushed anyone and had us all laughing the whole time. He was so lovely and everyone left with a smile on their face. What a man.
A true actor who knows where there bread is buttered, shows Respect to the people who pay and put them in that spot. I have heard stories of plenty of famous people who were horrid to talk too, and be around. World of mouth is a good thing, I loved Doohans Beam me up Scotty! from Amaran garage doors ads????
DeForest Kelley actually had to overcome typecasting to have the opportunity to play Dr. McCoy. Before Star Trek, Kelley had been typically playing heavies, so the casters were afraid that he would not be accepted by viewers as a good guy. So, yeah. He almost missed his chance at being typecast because he had been typecast.
Well ... he did slap a pregnant woman before forcibly examining her in season 1. I've never thought of him as good or bad, but rather painfully dated in an cringeworthy patriarchal way. Going into the seventies his character would not have done well.
@@trekon2023Yes, because he understood the culture of the society in which the episode took place. Maybe learn to understand context before you spout BS.
DeForest Kelley (and others) will always be a hero to me. I remember reading him saying that he always wanted to be a doctor, to help people; he couldn't make it, and therefore became an actor. As an actor playing a doctor on Star Trek, he said he received so much fan mail of people being encouraged to enter the medical profession because of his role. That alone makes him a hero to me (again there are many others too).
6:24 You left out the fact Michael Dorn had a recurring role in Castle as a therapist. A role that he was totally believable in and did an amazing job... his voice and demeanor were PERFECT for the role!!
I've never had the opportunity, because he was always neck deep in Data fans when I've seen him at cons, but I've always wanted to go up to him and say "Why, Bob Wheeler, as I live and breathe! How the hell are you?" just to see how he'd react.
With Spiner it should be noted, like Stewart, Spiner is a full threat on the stage, He can sing and act. He did stage work while on generations. Also, on Stage he is most famous for being part of a show that got cancelled 1/2 way through the opening night. The three musketeers.
Nichelle Nicols recruited women to NASA, DeForest Kelley inspired others to become doctors & James Doohan inspired a whole new generation of engineers.
Leonard Nimoy also had a great role as William Bell in "Fringe", he may have only had a few appearances in the show, but he had an awesome presence as the series' over-arching antagonist.
He really did a great job on 'Fringe'. No connection at all with spock. He had to act alongside the phenomenon that is John Noble. Oh Walter Bishop, what a demanding role.
Patrick Stewart's portrayal Ebenezer Scrooge is simply the greatest of all time. Got a lot of love for the Muppets Christmas Carol, but my god THAT laugh at the end. Watch it, people.
@@mycroftsanchez901 No shade on Alastair Sim; he remains my favorite Scrooge, but I do need to agree with Stephen on how Patrick Stewart played the laugh in his version. It's just so visceral, like he was finally letting out all the emotions he'd kept bottled up inside for decades.
No, Scrooge McDuck is the greatest Ebenezer Scrooge of all time. He was literally born to play the part. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but in this case, you got that wrong there.
I was never much of a Worf fan until season 3 of Picard. That was Dorn's best turn as Worf. And I loved his role in Ted 2... anytime an actor can poke fun at themselves is grand!
I love Worf and equally love that he's featured in more Star Trek episodes than anyone else. 100% worthy...plus Michael Dorn is literally one of the greatest humans ever.
That’s interesting. It seems like fans who like Worf tend to get to like him much earlier on since he was on TNG and DS9 along with all the TNG movies. Not saying that there’s anything wrong with your feelings on him, just finding it interesting.
@@Vulcanerd Unfortunately, while I adore Dorn's hustle to do the makeup and play a deadpan character, i cannot stand Worf. He is a terrible father and just plain idiotic to a fault. He is fun to watch when the episode is about anyone else but for the love of god don't make him or klingons the center of an episode. He is worse in earlier seasons because he wasn't really given any role other than to be the red shirt that survived the episode. And then it got worse with Worf being denied every time he opened his mouth or getting tossed around by every strong alien. While it may have been humorous, it did little to make his character endearing.
as a professional musician, i would say what is called "typecasting" is what we would call a "residency".. ie. A reliable pay check, security for life, and tbh, what most of us mortals would consider a successful career...
I agree. There is millions of actors out there who would kill to get role in well established show, even if its just one role for lifetime. They should consider themself very lucky.
Type casting was definitely much more of a problem back in the TOS era. Modern hollywood and fans are more willing and excited to see actors play other characters.
Not to mention conventions were around back then, but they weren’t the full scale, fan love fest they are today. Not to say the fans back then loved their Trek any less, but with t get scale that’s involved now, actors can get a decent fee for their appearance even when times are lean for them.
Frakes thinking he is a modest actor makes sense. His injuries made it impossible for him to do action despite the fact that his role was to be the James Kirk who beamed down to planets while Picard took the more realistic role of sitting in a chair giving orders. The fact that he found his calling as a director and host is a blessing. He did not have to keep doing a job that was taking a tole on his body.
One of the joys in my life was seeing Kate Mulgrew in the one-woman performance of "Call me Kate"; her tour deforce play about Kathrine Hepburn. She was mesmerizing; she embodied Hepburn to the n-th degree!
Point of order on Dorn and Star Trek. He was a regular on CHIPS in the 70's. He did 60 episodes and he was type cast as a cop. That is why he handled what happened after trek better than others and enjoyed more. HE worked more after Trek than he did after CHIPS
@jameshopkins166 I have fanfiction concept that's been rattling around in my brain where all the actors on Star Trek shows get have their roles swapped with other roles they performed. Yes, Worf is swapped with his CHiPs persona.
As much as people like to make fun of Shatner's acting, he's worked steady since Trek. The 70's were lean years for him but once they did the TMP and he got T.J. Hooker his career has been solid.
Yeah, he must have been doing something right, Boston Legal got 5 seasons in which he was in all 101 episodes. Shame his Tek War stuff didn't do as well, TV film wise.
@@robsquared2haha, yeah double-edged sword. Having a job in hand is better than not having one. Though some think Michele Forbes was wrong to forego being the lead for DS9, her IMDB is much longer than Nana's. However, I don't think she's led a show ever.
@@trekon2023 i was about to say "and Forbes got to be in battlestar galactica too!" And then quickly remembered that Nana Visitor was in an episode as well!
Dorn had the right idea. He knew he wasn't going to get anything as good ever again. I'm not surprised he was the person most willing to reprise his role on another show. I heard he even tried getting a worf show and worf movie series made after Nemesis. It also explains why he was in the TNG movies despite his character being posted on a space station light-years away. I actually never liked Worf as much as other characters in TNG but i noticed that he became almost as famous as Data and Picard and i'm sure that was because of his willingness to reprise the role and jump through hoops like makeup and double duty shooting movies and TV shows. Only Nana Visitor was ever as eager as him. Very ironic considering the character he played was the complete opposite.
One of the things I hate is when I see someone post something about an actor in a different show and say their character is on it. Like I was watching Mission Impossible and saw Spock on it. No, you saw Leonard Nimoy play Paris in Mission Impossible. Especially when it was stuff before they were on Trek. Yes, actors were in things before and after the show you first saw them on. That is how acting works
Incidentally, both Leonard Nimoy and William Shatner appeared in a Man from U.N.C.L.E. episode prior to Star Trek. Story is that neither of them had remembered acting with each other prior to Star Trek until some down time on the set and them talking about previous roles.
In 2016 I attended Star Trek's 50 Anniversary in New York. Nimoy's son Adam hosted a panel and took questions from the audience. I was selected to speak and told him how much I also loved his father as the host of the investigative show "In Search Of'" on TV. I then asked if Adam or even Eugene Roddenberry (who was also on the panel) would ever consider reviving that show. Adam was quick to shut me down making sure I knew that his father actually hated doing In Search Of and it was nothing more than a paycheck to him. That was very sad to hear on my end.
I just wanted to point out how amazing Nimoy was on "Fringe" TV series as well. It's hard to see him without thinking on Spock, true, but by the end of his role on Fringe you would have forget that matter. Amazing video as always, thank you
I'm fortunate enough to remember many of the "Trek" actors in other roles, before and after Trek. Nimoy as "Paris", Shatner as "Archie Goodwin", Kelley in Western's, Spinner on Night Court, and many more. Special shout out to Koenig, who (I think) nailed it in "The Starlost" and "Babylon 5" (Okay, both SciFi,). And he'll always have a special place in my heart as I sat and talked to him and his family, in San Francisco (in the early 80s), and I (a big Trek fan since the original show) had no idea who he was. Days later at a SciFi convention I learned the truth. He wasn't "Chekov" at all in voice or appearance. As always thank you so very much for the videos.
I would love to see a list of Star Trek actors' movies that played other types of characters Green Room, Jeffery, Roots, Big Bad Mama, Waxwork II, Hellraiser III, A Stranger Is Watching, Throw Mama From The Train, Sibling Rivalry, etc.
Doohan and Deforest affect me the most because they had some perfect performances and were so capable. Maybe the true happiness of an actor is to be both employed and to explore every facet of humanity they can.
I was born in 71, my dad and I would watch old Westerns with Kelley, my mom and I watched TOS reruns. My dad hated Star Trek. Maybe that's why they got divorced. 🤣 They both loved DK.
Yeah i saw Wrath of Khan in the theater as a kid before i saw The Motion Picture. It was the early 80's so VCR's weren't a household thing yet. So i was convinced that James Doohan had passed away and they replaced him with some one else. It wasn't until i finally saw TMP a few years later that i realized just how much his appearance changed between the show and TMP.
@@ArronRatliff yea man I saw Kahn in the movies as a teenager. Literally on of the greatest movies I’ve ever seen! Ricardo Montalbahn was amazing in that movie. We all found out years later that he had debilitating back pain that was excruciating for him. Yet he continued to film the scenes and complete the movie. Such a brave individual.
Steven Culp was actually playing similar roles on 2 different series at the same time: Major Hayes on Star Trek: Enterprise & CIA Special Agent Clayton Webb on JAG (predecessor of NCIS).
Can't believe you left out James Doohan's story about how he saved the life of someone by telling that person about to commit seppuku that he wanted to see that person at a local convention. I mean the whole story brings a tear to my eye. Mark Lenard's family stated he always wanted to be a UN Ambassador but playing Sarek made him more of an International Ambassador.
The timing of Star Trek and the real life Apollo Missions was a match up that helped each other become huge at the time...but will never be seen again in the history of mankind. Star Trek got us to imagine Space Exploration and to go where "No Man has gone Before". At the same time...we actually landed men on the moon and came back to Earth with Moon rocks from there. People accepted that we didn't encounter any aliens but it was one hell of a good start. Both things reinforced the success of the other due to the timing. Now 50 years later...many people think both were science fiction and many doubt that we ever went to the Moon. If any of you are doubters...let me assure you as an astronomer, WE DID. - It was all REAL. Only Star Trek was science fiction.
He’s also been in multiple shows within the NCIS franchise: “In the Dark” (NCIS 4x22), “Black Budget” (NCIS: LA 6x5), & “Prisoners’ Dilemma” (NCIS: Hawaii 2x1).
Now there's a crossover; Star Trek: SG1........ :P As for typecasting, well, I suppose there's also Robert Picardo, who also appeared in SG1 & Atlantis and also in The Orville, but will forever be remembered as Voyager's Emergency Medical Hologram we all came to know and love, and heck, he's certainly embraced it with reciting lines from Voyager episodes on his youtube channel, heck, when in an SG1 episode he as Woolsey was beamed in right before Jack was beamed out, I half expected him to say "Please state the nature of the Stargate emergency!"... :P
Sir Patrick Stewart was in a show aimed at a younger audience as the leader of the bad guys holding a rich kids school for ransom ("masterminds"). And our protagonist is just throwing up obstacles and pranks to slow them down/ run them off. At one point he trips the sprinkler system on the room their in and with a borderline deadpan delivery Stewart says "I'm generally against violence, but I may just have to kill someone", it was perfect for the scene.
MIchael Dorn and Patrick Warburton in Ted 2, I ... have no words. It was a mix of one of the most hilarious things I'd ever seen and complete geek overload.
@1:16 Who else thinks that's a Chekov action figure EVERY time he sees that shot?!??!?! I think its the blank expression and the Kung Fu grip that does it for me.
I was fortunate to see Nimoy in 'Vincent' at the Guthrie Theater. I went in large part because of Spock, but also his book "I am not Spock". It was a moving performance; I wasn't thinking about Spock at all when it was over. I couldn't remember when that was so I looked it up on IMDB; August 1981. Apparently there was a movie made of the performances; I'll have to try to find a copy and revisit it.
Thought of something I forgot to add earlier. You were partially right about Michael Kenmore, but actually he was a wraith, turned human, turned part wraith, then turned human again, then turned part wraith again. It wasn't until the second time that he became as resentful as he did throughout the remainder of the show. After that, the only human that he was at least partially tolerant of was Teyla, but even that was for his own self-serving reasons.
I enjoyed John Billingsley as a propsective client in the FX medical drama "Nip/Tuck" . He played an architect whom had Body Dismorphic Syndrome - he walked around in crutches and pretended one leg was non-functional. He felt his body was not complete without an "empty space" under his right hip, and was seeking out a doctor who would perform an amputation of his healthy leg. And if he was turned down he had alternative plans to determinately meet that end.
Leonard Nimoy was the host of "In Search Of" back in the 70's (widely considered the progenitor of modern day paranormal mystery showcase programs) and as the host he both was and was not Spock. The same can also be said for his 'Ballad of Bilbo Baggins' music video. A true artisan.
Yup, typecasting has affected famous people throughout history. The was one Italian fellow who's passion was Wine Coolers. When he wanted to go nationwide he got massive backlash from the public. Members of the drinking public would say things such as "Lenny's Wine Coolers? A drink from that guy who painted that picture of the lady with the strange smile?" "No thanks man, I'll stick with Bartles and Jaymes, they're gonna be famous forever!" /S
Tim Russ did a video commenting on his one line in Spaceballs. He also read Star Trek books, but couldn’t disguise his natural voice, so all the characters sounded like Tuvok.
I first saw Patrick Stewart in I CLAUDIUS, the character he played was Sejanus, nothing at all like Picard. The man has range and is obviously a good sport.
With the exception of Kelley, who perhaps also suffered from the demise of the popularity of western shows - which is where he mostly worked before ST and perhaps was doubly typecast - it's also the case that day players (which is what they were, being on the set one day a week usually) badmouthing your co-stars (or the series star in this instance) so publicly and so often didn't play well with many people in the business. Heard that from a casting director I know. It's a shame because they were all talented, and although I detest the man, Takei's play about his and his family's - and other Japanese Americans during WW2 - being herded into camps and losing their homes and businesses - was wonderful and valuable. I saw it on Broadway twice. Moved me to tears. And Nichols' inability to find singing gigs is dumbfounding and to me, tragic, as she was so talented. Her contribution to NASA will live almost forever. But as my friend told me, who wants to work with them? They were talented and good people, but...alas. Fatal mistake. Doubly fatal, I was told, because Shatner never hit back except perhaps recently to Takei (amazing that it went on so long). Meanwhile, Shatner was working steadily in a variety of roles. I don't think he ever stopped working. Even NImoy was typecast, excellent actor that he was, but he was able to turn to theater for a while and, of course, directing, although even that came to an end. Star Trek ruled them all, changed their lives, and they deserved better. But for most of them, being catty and even vicious was not the best choice to make. A lot of naive people believed what they said and repeated it to their friends and on and on so that it all becomes almost fact. A real shame. Because there was real talent there, and individually, they were good people.
To be fair, Dorn got to be Worf in TNG and DS9, his grandfather Colonel Worf in STVI and went on to be in all TNG movies... the TOS characters had a big gap between TOS and when the movies came around.
I'll just highlight a sort of escape from typecasting in the form of Disney's cartoon series "Gargoyles": which had pretty much the whole TNG cast, along with Kate Mulgrew, and an appearance by Avery Brooks.
I have a neighbour who makes a face about Star Trek. But just go and look at Nimoy in any episode of TOS. It's a masterclass. I just don't know how he did it.
The thing I don't understand about typecasting is if there's like a drama I'm not sure about but someone like Nana Visitor is the lead I'll watch it. I'm interested in getting in to westerns and the first thing I'm going to do is look up what the TOS actors were in and start with those.
Um DeForest Kelley was a successful actor before Star Trek. He did a couple of John Wayne movies, he played bad guys in many shows. He wasnt typecast. He was a very successful actor with a wide variety of parts during his career, ending with the success of Star Trek.
Brent spiner definitely suffered from typecasting… because I know I gleefully point him out in master of disguise and Independence Day and any other movie or show I see him in as “Data” And I’m sure I’m not the only one
Shame Walter Koenig's role as Bester in Babylon 5 didn't get a mention, while still obviously sci-fi it is very different to Chekhov, and he is on record as saying he preferred being Bester.
No mention of I Am Weasel for Michael Dorn? 😭 Also, just coincidentally, I was rewatching The Mentalist recently and John Billingsley and Connor Trineer both appeared in one episode together, then Linda Park was in the following episode.
I think Jolene Blalock could be added to the list. Aside from T'Pol, she really has not been doing much since Enterprise, maybe a guest role here and there, but nothing I am aware of.
This video is supposed to be about people who suffered from typecasting, but while I would say the ones who really couldn't get any other role probably did suffer from it, some of the ones on this list seem to have embraced it and made it work for them, and that don't belong in this list because they did not suffer. This video should be titled Star Trek actors who were typecast or there should be two separate lists, 10 who suffered from typecasting and 10 who turned casting to their advantage.
There are still some mysteries to be explored. For example: Why did Scotty and Bones grew a beard? And why did Bones shave it, but Scotty never did so later?
In an interview about his book "I Am Spock", Leonard Nimoy expanded on the book title to say that what he hadn't realized when he wrote "I Am Not Spock", is that over time, the character's way of behaving so informed him as a real person that he eventually took on more and more of those mannerisms until eventually he became Spock. Or Spock and Nimoy merged to some extent. Mind meld?
I met James Doohan a number of times. In my life I’ve meet dozens and dozens of celebs and James was without doubt one of the nicest, most hard working people I have ever met. He was so kind to everyone and always made them feel special.
One of the times I saw him he was signing autographs in a video store that was celebrating one of the new Star Trek films. It was in the middle of summer in the Washington DC area. There was a huge queue out the door and he insisted on staying well past the time stated and talked to every single person. It was a miserable hot day, even in the store, and the poor lad was exhausted yet he took his time with every fan, never rushed anyone and had us all laughing the whole time. He was so lovely and everyone left with a smile on their face. What a man.
A true actor who knows where there bread is buttered, shows Respect to the people who pay and put them in that spot. I have heard stories of plenty of famous people who were horrid to talk too, and be around. World of mouth is a good thing, I loved Doohans Beam me up Scotty! from Amaran garage doors ads????
DeForest Kelley actually had to overcome typecasting to have the opportunity to play Dr. McCoy. Before Star Trek, Kelley had been typically playing heavies, so the casters were afraid that he would not be accepted by viewers as a good guy. So, yeah. He almost missed his chance at being typecast because he had been typecast.
Well ... he did slap a pregnant woman before forcibly examining her in season 1. I've never thought of him as good or bad, but rather painfully dated in an cringeworthy patriarchal way. Going into the seventies his character would not have done well.
@@trekon2023 AGAIN with the 'patriarchy'!
@@trekon2023Yes, because he understood the culture of the society in which the episode took place. Maybe learn to understand context before you spout BS.
@@BTScriviner You don't know what you're talking about. Maybe you should watch that episode before spouting your BS.
@@DMSProduktions again?
DeForest Kelley (and others) will always be a hero to me. I remember reading him saying that he always wanted to be a doctor, to help people; he couldn't make it, and therefore became an actor. As an actor playing a doctor on Star Trek, he said he received so much fan mail of people being encouraged to enter the medical profession because of his role. That alone makes him a hero to me (again there are many others too).
6:24 You left out the fact Michael Dorn had a recurring role in Castle as a therapist. A role that he was totally believable in and did an amazing job... his voice and demeanor were PERFECT for the role!!
It was so good to see him in that show. Also he was the voice of I Am Weasel!
And what about that HIT show he starred in back in the late 70s? CHiPS?
@@DMSProduktionshe was in CHiPs?
@@vic5015 Well duhh! He was often Eric Estrada's partner on the HYW Patrol.
Wasn't Dorn in CHIPS too before TNG or am I thinking of someone else?
Spiner was the best on Night Court.. his humour is on full display
So glad he reprised his role in the revival.
I've never had the opportunity, because he was always neck deep in Data fans when I've seen him at cons, but I've always wanted to go up to him and say "Why, Bob Wheeler, as I live and breathe! How the hell are you?" just to see how he'd react.
Love the one where he was talking about a relative's bloat.😂
Night Court episode.
That night court role OMG most epic thing ever.
With Spiner it should be noted, like Stewart, Spiner is a full threat on the stage, He can sing and act. He did stage work while on generations. Also, on Stage he is most famous for being part of a show that got cancelled 1/2 way through the opening night. The three musketeers.
Such a brilliant character actor, I've loved him in everything he's been in.
Nichelle Nicols recruited women to NASA, DeForest Kelley inspired others to become doctors & James Doohan inspired a whole new generation of engineers.
Leonard Nimoy also had a great role as William Bell in "Fringe", he may have only had a few appearances in the show, but he had an awesome presence as the series' over-arching antagonist.
He really did a great job on 'Fringe'. No connection at all with spock. He had to act alongside the phenomenon that is John Noble. Oh Walter Bishop, what a demanding role.
Patrick Stewart's portrayal Ebenezer Scrooge is simply the greatest of all time. Got a lot of love for the Muppets Christmas Carol, but my god THAT laugh at the end. Watch it, people.
No way! Not a patch on Alastair Sim.
@@mycroftsanchez901 No shade on Alastair Sim; he remains my favorite Scrooge, but I do need to agree with Stephen on how Patrick Stewart played the laugh in his version. It's just so visceral, like he was finally letting out all the emotions he'd kept bottled up inside for decades.
No, Scrooge McDuck is the greatest Ebenezer Scrooge of all time. He was literally born to play the part. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but in this case, you got that wrong there.
I love that Zachary Quinto worked with Nimoy to ensure his version of Spock paid proper homage to Nimoy's original. While still being his own.
I was never much of a Worf fan until season 3 of Picard. That was Dorn's best turn as Worf. And I loved his role in Ted 2... anytime an actor can poke fun at themselves is grand!
I love Worf and equally love that he's featured in more Star Trek episodes than anyone else. 100% worthy...plus Michael Dorn is literally one of the greatest humans ever.
That’s interesting. It seems like fans who like Worf tend to get to like him much earlier on since he was on TNG and DS9 along with all the TNG movies. Not saying that there’s anything wrong with your feelings on him, just finding it interesting.
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Unfortunately, while I adore Dorn's hustle to do the makeup and play a deadpan character, i cannot stand Worf. He is a terrible father and just plain idiotic to a fault. He is fun to watch when the episode is about anyone else but for the love of god don't make him or klingons the center of an episode. He is worse in earlier seasons because he wasn't really given any role other than to be the red shirt that survived the episode. And then it got worse with Worf being denied every time he opened his mouth or getting tossed around by every strong alien. While it may have been humorous, it did little to make his character endearing.
as a professional musician, i would say what is called "typecasting" is what we would call a "residency".. ie. A reliable pay check, security for life, and tbh, what most of us mortals would consider a successful career...
I agree. There is millions of actors out there who would kill to get role in well established show, even if its just one role for lifetime.
They should consider themself very lucky.
Type casting was definitely much more of a problem back in the TOS era. Modern hollywood and fans are more willing and excited to see actors play other characters.
Not to mention conventions were around back then, but they weren’t the full scale, fan love fest they are today. Not to say the fans back then loved their Trek any less, but with t get scale that’s involved now, actors can get a decent fee for their appearance even when times are lean for them.
Frakes thinking he is a modest actor makes sense. His injuries made it impossible for him to do action despite the fact that his role was to be the James Kirk who beamed down to planets while Picard took the more realistic role of sitting in a chair giving orders.
The fact that he found his calling as a director and host is a blessing. He did not have to keep doing a job that was taking a tole on his body.
James Doohan also played himself playing Scotty in Knight Rider 2000 (1991)
Please explain
One of the joys in my life was seeing Kate Mulgrew in the one-woman performance of "Call me Kate"; her tour deforce play about Kathrine Hepburn. She was mesmerizing; she embodied Hepburn to the n-th degree!
Point of order on Dorn and Star Trek. He was a regular on CHIPS in the 70's. He did 60 episodes and he was type cast as a cop. That is why he handled what happened after trek better than others and enjoyed more. HE worked more after Trek than he did after CHIPS
i guess that is why he was cast as a Security officer in Star Trek TNG lol
@jameshopkins166 I have fanfiction concept that's been rattling around in my brain where all the actors on Star Trek shows get have their roles swapped with other roles they performed. Yes, Worf is swapped with his CHiPs persona.
He was also ma soap opera star I believe.
As much as people like to make fun of Shatner's acting, he's worked steady since Trek. The 70's were lean years for him but once they did the TMP and he got T.J. Hooker his career has been solid.
Yeah, he must have been doing something right, Boston Legal got 5 seasons in which he was in all 101 episodes.
Shame his Tek War stuff didn't do as well, TV film wise.
I loved Shatner in the movie Lady Be Good and the twilight zone, thing on the Wing? That guy can act.
Did I hear "Star Trek SG-1" for John Billings there?
made me chuckle as thats what i heard too
lol, yup
I love Star Trek Atlantis and Star Trek Universe.
Well that's a crossover I missed!
Yup, I heard that too
To a whole generation Jonathan Frankes is known as David xantos in the gargoyles cartoon series.
Next video: 10 who benefited from typecasting
It's all Jeffery Combs all the way down.
Feels like it'd be the same video.
@@robsquared2haha, yeah double-edged sword. Having a job in hand is better than not having one. Though some think Michele Forbes was wrong to forego being the lead for DS9, her IMDB is much longer than Nana's. However, I don't think she's led a show ever.
@@trekon2023 i was about to say "and Forbes got to be in battlestar galactica too!" And then quickly remembered that Nana Visitor was in an episode as well!
Dorn had the right idea. He knew he wasn't going to get anything as good ever again. I'm not surprised he was the person most willing to reprise his role on another show.
I heard he even tried getting a worf show and worf movie series made after Nemesis. It also explains why he was in the TNG movies despite his character being posted on a space station light-years away.
I actually never liked Worf as much as other characters in TNG but i noticed that he became almost as famous as Data and Picard and i'm sure that was because of his willingness to reprise the role and jump through hoops like makeup and double duty shooting movies and TV shows. Only Nana Visitor was ever as eager as him. Very ironic considering the character he played was the complete opposite.
He may always be Picard....but he was a damn good Professor X. When I watch X-Man, I don't see him a picard.
Gotta love how UA-cam schedules it's unskippable adds for the exact start of the countdown, less than two minutes into the video itself.
type casting means that you have made a major impact on pop culture. As many of the actors on this list have learned is to adapt and embrace it.
One of the things I hate is when I see someone post something about an actor in a different show and say their character is on it. Like I was watching Mission Impossible and saw Spock on it. No, you saw Leonard Nimoy play Paris in Mission Impossible. Especially when it was stuff before they were on Trek. Yes, actors were in things before and after the show you first saw them on. That is how acting works
Incidentally, both Leonard Nimoy and William Shatner appeared in a Man from U.N.C.L.E. episode prior to Star Trek. Story is that neither of them had remembered acting with each other prior to Star Trek until some down time on the set and them talking about previous roles.
Did you just say Star trek SG1😂
6:40-John was in Star Trek SG!? I had no idea. I only knew him in Stargate SG1! Hehe! (sorry-couldn't resist)
walter keonig certainly got to play a slippery slimey sinster villian as mr bester in babylon 5. it was the polar opposite sort of role as chekov.
Nimoy got an almost immediate job on Mission Impossible at the end of Trek.
In 2016 I attended Star Trek's 50 Anniversary in New York. Nimoy's son Adam hosted a panel and took questions from the audience. I was selected to speak and told him how much I also loved his father as the host of the investigative show "In Search Of'" on TV. I then asked if Adam or even Eugene Roddenberry (who was also on the panel) would ever consider reviving that show. Adam was quick to shut me down making sure I knew that his father actually hated doing In Search Of and it was nothing more than a paycheck to him. That was very sad to hear on my end.
I just wanted to point out how amazing Nimoy was on "Fringe" TV series as well. It's hard to see him without thinking on Spock, true, but by the end of his role on Fringe you would have forget that matter. Amazing video as always, thank you
Dude, loved your presentation. But you made a small mistake on Billingsly, you said, " Star Trek SG1," instead of StarGate SG1. Saw that episode.
I'm fortunate enough to remember many of the "Trek" actors in other roles, before and after Trek. Nimoy as "Paris", Shatner as "Archie Goodwin", Kelley in Western's, Spinner on Night Court, and many more.
Special shout out to Koenig, who (I think) nailed it in "The Starlost" and "Babylon 5" (Okay, both SciFi,). And he'll always have a special place in my heart as I sat and talked to him and his family, in San Francisco (in the early 80s), and I (a big Trek fan since the original show) had no idea who he was. Days later at a SciFi convention I learned the truth. He wasn't "Chekov" at all in voice or appearance.
As always thank you so very much for the videos.
I absolutely loved Nimoy on Mission Impossible as Paris
@@krizlad IKR, and don't forget Sam Elliot as Doug Robert in season five.
@grahamcann1761 Also William Shatner was in episode 6 during season 7
I would love to see a list of Star Trek actors' movies that played other types of characters
Green Room, Jeffery, Roots, Big Bad Mama, Waxwork II, Hellraiser III, A Stranger Is Watching, Throw Mama From The Train, Sibling Rivalry, etc.
Doohan and Deforest affect me the most because they had some perfect performances and were so capable. Maybe the true happiness of an actor is to be both employed and to explore every facet of humanity they can.
I was born in 71, my dad and I would watch old Westerns with Kelley, my mom and I watched TOS reruns. My dad hated Star Trek. Maybe that's why they got divorced. 🤣 They both loved DK.
Dorn did a lot of animation work such as the DCU animation series from Steel to Kalibak and nailed those voices.
James Doohan is the only one of the original cast that looked absolutely nothing then the original series ,when he did the movies
Yeah i saw Wrath of Khan in the theater as a kid before i saw The Motion Picture. It was the early 80's so VCR's weren't a household thing yet. So i was convinced that James Doohan had passed away and they replaced him with some one else. It wasn't until i finally saw TMP a few years later that i realized just how much his appearance changed between the show and TMP.
@@ArronRatliff yea man I saw Kahn in the movies as a teenager. Literally on of the greatest movies I’ve ever seen! Ricardo Montalbahn was amazing in that movie. We all found out years later that he had debilitating back pain that was excruciating for him. Yet he continued to film the scenes and complete the movie. Such a brave individual.
Star Trek sg-1, huh? I'd watch it...
After having had seen the episode Shore Leave of TOS, seeing DeForest Kelley in Night of the Lepus made me chuckle.
Steven Culp was actually playing similar roles on 2 different series at the same time: Major Hayes on Star Trek: Enterprise & CIA Special Agent Clayton Webb on JAG (predecessor of NCIS).
Can't believe you left out James Doohan's story about how he saved the life of someone by telling that person about to commit seppuku that he wanted to see that person at a local convention. I mean the whole story brings a tear to my eye.
Mark Lenard's family stated he always wanted to be a UN Ambassador but playing Sarek made him more of an International Ambassador.
The timing of Star Trek and the real life Apollo Missions was a match up that helped each other become huge at the time...but will never be seen again in the history of mankind. Star Trek got us to imagine Space Exploration and to go where "No Man has gone Before". At the same time...we actually landed men on the moon and came back to Earth with Moon rocks from there. People accepted that we didn't encounter any aliens but it was one hell of a good start. Both things reinforced the success of the other due to the timing. Now 50 years later...many people think both were science fiction and many doubt that we ever went to the Moon. If any of you are doubters...let me assure you as an astronomer, WE DID. - It was all REAL. Only Star Trek was science fiction.
Fresh Hell is an awesome work. Probably not very many people remember Spiner in the one-season Threshold with Peter Dinklage
11:10 Data with the beard... 😂
Still love seeing that!
John Billingsley was in the movie 2012
He’s also been in multiple shows within the NCIS franchise: “In the Dark” (NCIS 4x22), “Black Budget” (NCIS: LA 6x5), & “Prisoners’ Dilemma” (NCIS: Hawaii 2x1).
Him and the EMH from voyager were both in a good episode of The Orville
Dorn was on DS9 for years Nimoy was on Mission Impossible for 3 years but quit
Now there's a crossover; Star Trek: SG1........ :P
As for typecasting, well, I suppose there's also Robert Picardo, who also appeared in SG1 & Atlantis and also in The Orville, but will forever be remembered as Voyager's Emergency Medical Hologram we all came to know and love, and heck, he's certainly embraced it with reciting lines from Voyager episodes on his youtube channel, heck, when in an SG1 episode he as Woolsey was beamed in right before Jack was beamed out, I half expected him to say "Please state the nature of the Stargate emergency!"... :P
There was a meme with this captured.
Thank you. That was good to know.
Sir Patrick Stewart was in a show aimed at a younger audience as the leader of the bad guys holding a rich kids school for ransom ("masterminds"). And our protagonist is just throwing up obstacles and pranks to slow them down/ run them off. At one point he trips the sprinkler system on the room their in and with a borderline deadpan delivery Stewart says "I'm generally against violence, but I may just have to kill someone", it was perfect for the scene.
MIchael Dorn and Patrick Warburton in Ted 2, I ... have no words. It was a mix of one of the most hilarious things I'd ever seen and complete geek overload.
Michael Dorn star of I Am Weasel was in Star Trek?
@1:16 Who else thinks that's a Chekov action figure EVERY time he sees that shot?!??!?! I think its the blank expression and the Kung Fu grip that does it for me.
I was fortunate to see Nimoy in 'Vincent' at the Guthrie Theater. I went in large part because of Spock, but also his book "I am not Spock". It was a moving performance; I wasn't thinking about Spock at all when it was over. I couldn't remember when that was so I looked it up on IMDB; August 1981. Apparently there was a movie made of the performances; I'll have to try to find a copy and revisit it.
Who could forget Leonard Nimoy as Paris on Mission: Impossible?
Thought of something I forgot to add earlier. You were partially right about Michael Kenmore, but actually he was a wraith, turned human, turned part wraith, then turned human again, then turned part wraith again. It wasn't until the second time that he became as resentful as he did throughout the remainder of the show. After that, the only human that he was at least partially tolerant of was Teyla, but even that was for his own self-serving reasons.
My favourite Spiner role was the Area 51 scientist in "Independence Day".
Most of the TNG cast did voice acting for the "Gargoyles" animated series.
I enjoyed John Billingsley as a propsective client in the FX medical drama "Nip/Tuck" . He played an architect whom had Body Dismorphic Syndrome - he walked around in crutches and pretended one leg was non-functional. He felt his body was not complete without an "empty space" under his right hip, and was seeking out a doctor who would perform an amputation of his healthy leg. And if he was turned down he had alternative plans to determinately meet that end.
Leonard Nimoy was the host of "In Search Of" back in the 70's (widely considered the progenitor of modern day paranormal mystery showcase programs) and as the host he both was and was not Spock. The same can also be said for his 'Ballad of Bilbo Baggins' music video. A true artisan.
Didn't Jonathan Frakes also host a paranormal showcase?
Yup, typecasting has affected famous people throughout history. The was one Italian fellow who's passion was Wine Coolers. When he wanted to go nationwide he got massive backlash from the public.
Members of the drinking public would say things such as "Lenny's Wine Coolers? A drink from that guy who painted that picture of the lady with the strange smile?"
"No thanks man, I'll stick with Bartles and Jaymes, they're gonna be famous forever!" /S
Brent Spiner as Bob Wheeler is proof of what an excellent comedic actor he really is.
I do wish all the actors from these shows would be on more stuff. They are such good performers. Some do prefer the stage than camera though
Night of the Leepus. Brent Spiner is an A list actor as are most in all Star Treks. Wish we saw them all more.
Tim Russ did a video commenting on his one line in Spaceballs. He also read Star Trek books, but couldn’t disguise his natural voice, so all the characters sounded like Tuvok.
What's the footage at 6:04? Early makeup tests? I thought I had seen all of them.
Mr. Doohan was also in the Knight Rider movie where kitt stuns him and he makes some Star Trek related statements.
I first saw Patrick Stewart in I CLAUDIUS, the character he played was Sejanus, nothing at all like Picard. The man has range and is obviously a good sport.
Lesser known fact, Patrick Stewart also played Bambi's father in Bambi too. However, this character was basically the deer version of Jean-Luc Picard
...did you say "Star Trek SG-1"? Lol!!
Glenn Morshower seems to always get typecast as a military officer.
With the exception of Kelley, who perhaps also suffered from the demise of the popularity of western shows - which is where he mostly worked before ST and perhaps was doubly typecast - it's also the case that day players (which is what they were, being on the set one day a week usually) badmouthing your co-stars (or the series star in this instance) so publicly and so often didn't play well with many people in the business. Heard that from a casting director I know. It's a shame because they were all talented, and although I detest the man, Takei's play about his and his family's - and other Japanese Americans during WW2 - being herded into camps and losing their homes and businesses - was wonderful and valuable. I saw it on Broadway twice. Moved me to tears. And Nichols' inability to find singing gigs is dumbfounding and to me, tragic, as she was so talented. Her contribution to NASA will live almost forever. But as my friend told me, who wants to work with them? They were talented and good people, but...alas. Fatal mistake. Doubly fatal, I was told, because Shatner never hit back except perhaps recently to Takei (amazing that it went on so long). Meanwhile, Shatner was working steadily in a variety of roles. I don't think he ever stopped working. Even NImoy was typecast, excellent actor that he was, but he was able to turn to theater for a while and, of course, directing, although even that came to an end. Star Trek ruled them all, changed their lives, and they deserved better. But for most of them, being catty and even vicious was not the best choice to make. A lot of naive people believed what they said and repeated it to their friends and on and on so that it all becomes almost fact. A real shame. Because there was real talent there, and individually, they were good people.
To be fair, Dorn got to be Worf in TNG and DS9, his grandfather Colonel Worf in STVI and went on to be in all TNG movies... the TOS characters had a big gap between TOS and when the movies came around.
Nimoy had a role in the series Fringe and honestly he was fantastic as doctor William Bell
I was felt that Chekov on Babylon 5 was Chekov from the Star Trek's Mirror Universe, hehe! *
I'll just highlight a sort of escape from typecasting in the form of Disney's cartoon series "Gargoyles": which had pretty much the whole TNG cast, along with Kate Mulgrew, and an appearance by Avery Brooks.
Gargoyles was pretty much TNG the animated series lmao- everyone showed up expect for Patrick Stewart
I have a neighbour who makes a face about Star Trek. But just go and look at Nimoy in any episode of TOS. It's a masterclass. I just don't know how he did it.
The thing I don't understand about typecasting is if there's like a drama I'm not sure about but someone like Nana Visitor is the lead I'll watch it. I'm interested in getting in to westerns and the first thing I'm going to do is look up what the TOS actors were in and start with those.
Um DeForest Kelley was a successful actor before Star Trek. He did a couple of John Wayne movies, he played bad guys in many shows. He wasnt typecast. He was a very successful actor with a wide variety of parts during his career, ending with the success of Star Trek.
"star trek sg1" ????
had to play that back 4 times. he did say star trek sg1 lol
Brent spiner definitely suffered from typecasting… because I know I gleefully point him out in master of disguise and Independence Day and any other movie or show I see him in as “Data”
And I’m sure I’m not the only one
Can an actor be type cast twice, with 2 very different roles? When you see Walter Koenig do you see Mr. Chekov, or Mr. Bester?
Bones did a great job as a baddy in westerns at the time.
Shame Walter Koenig's role as Bester in Babylon 5 didn't get a mention, while still obviously sci-fi it is very different to Chekhov, and he is on record as saying he preferred being Bester.
No mention of I Am Weasel for Michael Dorn? 😭
Also, just coincidentally, I was rewatching The Mentalist recently and John Billingsley and Connor Trineer both appeared in one episode together, then Linda Park was in the following episode.
I think Jolene Blalock could be added to the list. Aside from T'Pol, she really has not been doing much since Enterprise, maybe a guest role here and there, but nothing I am aware of.
Shatner avoided this, sort of, with TJ Hooker... even though he's still playing an authority figure.
Same with Scott Bakula, who went on to play the lead in NCIS: New Orleans for 7 seasons after Enterprise ended.
This video is supposed to be about people who suffered from typecasting, but while I would say the ones who really couldn't get any other role probably did suffer from it, some of the ones on this list seem to have embraced it and made it work for them, and that don't belong in this list because they did not suffer. This video should be titled Star Trek actors who were typecast or there should be two separate lists, 10 who suffered from typecasting and 10 who turned casting to their advantage.
There are still some mysteries to be explored. For example: Why did Scotty and Bones grew a beard? And why did Bones shave it, but Scotty never did so later?
Michael Dorn has had nunerous guest star roles. I reneber him in both Castle and Heroes.
Thanks. 🖖🏻
I loved the new Check off, before a freak mail box accident took him away.
I saw Nicelle Nichols at a local convention and she sang a little for us.
John Billingsley had a small role in the West Wing. Playing a scientist.of course.
Patrick Stewart was "cast" as prof. Xavier in a 1993 comic book magazine for a hypothetical live action xmen movie.
I remember watching Brent Spiner in Night Court.
I remember seeing him in a few westerns before Star Trek but after Bones McCoy I don't think I saw him in anything else.
I'm confused. What is Star Trek SG1
In an interview about his book "I Am Spock", Leonard Nimoy expanded on the book title to say that what he hadn't realized when he wrote "I Am Not Spock", is that over time, the character's way of behaving so informed him as a real person that he eventually took on more and more of those mannerisms until eventually he became Spock. Or Spock and Nimoy merged to some extent. Mind meld?
Deforest Kelly was 79 when he died. I wouldn’t exactly call that “untimely”.