Mass Effect 5 Theory: The Hunt for Commander Shepard
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2024
- I wanted to explore another fan theory I see floating around, which is about finding Shepard in the next game!
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You forgot the stargazer in the legendary edition saying Shepard has at least 1 more story
I personally think and hope Shepard is alive and returns, in fact I pray every night for Shepard to return, but I have a personal theroy about where Shepard might be if they are missing and liara an gang are looking for them, remember that the citadel is the heart of the relay network work so maybe after the explosion Shepard was actually shot through a relay jump along with a peace of the sation, because remember the citadel was almost blown apart so maybe Shepard and a peace they where on where shot through a jump and landed on a planet.
Destroy is the only ending where Shepard could survive _physically_ , but in Control they are technically still alive, just on a different level. Liara leading an effort to find a way to separate Shepard from the Reaper collective consciousness, having to work with or against the Leviathan (or the Geth) to find a solution. It's science fiction, there are ways to make any ending of ME3 work.
Every youtuber who makes a video of this topic forgets the legendary edition and the star gazer
Shepard came back from the dead getting space...he's alive
for me making the perfect destroy ending as canon, as the other endings are basically you being successfully indoctrinated by the reapers makes sense... control and synthesys are indocrination, as we saw with saren and the illusive man, destroy is the only way to win.
Regardless of choices made in the original trilogy, a child asks either an Asari or Humanoid Stargazer what else do we know about the Shepard, to which the Stargazer replies that have only told the child a few of the stories and that they will tell the child one more story.
Bioware needs wins. DA:Dreadwolf will probably do well, but another Mass Effect game coming up short would leave them right back where they were after the shortcomings of Andromeda and Anthem. They might not please everyone by canonizing the perfect Destroy ending, but it's important to keep in mind that the Bioware stats on ending choices weren't solely for new play-throughs. Many players have role-played for multiple possible endings through different play-throughs. The combined number of choices between Control and Synthesis are just 2 percentage points ahead of those of just Destroy. Most committed fans have played for the perfect Destroy ending at least once. So, if they were to choose one ending to canonize, the Destroy ending would be the one to go with. With so much on the line, it would be the most pragmatic choice given that the size and scope of a game to incorporate all possible choices from the original trilogy would be massive.
I always though that the reason ME:Andromeda "had" to go to Andromeda, 600+ years in the future, was to avoid the disastrous mess that the disjointed endings of ME:3 dumped on us. They should have left us with endings that all could have been cannon if and when the franchise moved past the trilogy. If I'd been an EA or BioWare shareholder, I'd have been pissed that they tossed their wildly successful franchise to the wind. The writers also never gave us players the choice of the most logical ending, Shepard and the Citadel AI agreeing that Shepard had just totally disproven the original assumption that organics and synthetics couldn't get along. If we'd played our cards right, we had peace between the Quarrians and Geth and stuff like Joker and EDI's relationship which disproved the rather absurd "there can never be peace" assumption totally.
In pretty much all of the possible ME:3 endings, Shepard could have been saved and wound up anywhere - even in Andromeda. Yeah, we might have seen him/her dissolve or disappear in a big explosion, but the writers could always pull a rabbit out of their hat and just say he mysteriously got transported to the other side of the universe instead. Or for that matter, all of the ending scenes we had could wind up just being a dream, with more limited choices being then offered as ME:5 starts - just like the "Dallas" TV soap opera did years ago. Many options, so Shepard could come back any way they want!
The one thing that closely integrating the Trilogy and Andromeda in the next game would give us are some existing mysteries to resolve. Where did the Jardaan go? Who do the Kett report to? Who was the benefactor? And why was Jen Garson murdered? Lots of possibilities, but it needs to be different than the original threat from the Reapers. Maybe the Jardaan have left Andromeda and are now threatening the Milky Way or something... All that is a must is that it can't be just another flavor of what we've already done!
Love your analysis and thoughtful videos, keep up the good work!
Let the writers work. Perfect Destroy is not the only ending we can bring Shep back from. Imperfect Destroy is the hardest as it may destoy earth and Shep. But even them maybe Shep is MIA..
Control is too easy. Citadel DLC already introduced us to a Clone of Shep,.. So Clone shep can have AI Shep downloaded back.
Synthesis: Shep is distributed through out the Galaxy, but what Shep contributes is still there, Geth create a program to find Shep in their network, reconstitute Shep's consciousness, and download into a synthetic or clone body.
Character Creator: Choose body type Synthetic or Clone? Now choose hair.. ... yadda yadda
No fiction writer with a tiny bit of creativity sees any of the endings impossible to carry out or to reconcile into a common Galaxy state a few years after ME3.
One of the biggest errors that bioware made, was that they made N7 too synonymous with Shepard. Yes we have met other N7 operatives, but when you see anything N7, you can’t tell me that it doesn’t make you instantly think of Shepard. Showing that N7 armor fragment in the trailer will make a lot of fans really happy, or very disappointed.
I might be in the vocal minority here, but I really do want Commander Shepard back. Anything else would be a let down for me. Hopefully BioWare will officially declare Perfect destroy as the canon ending. Great vid as always. Love to hear these theories and ideas.
using Ryder would give bost to Andromeda which was not well received making this an irresistible sequel also killing 2 bird with one stone
"realistically I don't think Bioware would have us play as Liara".
Maybe not in the full game, but as an intro that would just be absolutely amazing, are you kidding me?
like the joker sequence in ME2?
@@KaijuGal-rb9ek Something like that yeah
I got shepard alive in my destroy ending & my total war assets were:- 8238
There's no way Shepard won't be in the game at all. I know people want a fresh start with a new protagonist but, the trailers literally spell it out for us.
First things first, the perfect destroy ending shows Shepard alive, that scene doesn't exist for no reason. If Bioware knew they wanted to move on from Shepard, the easiest thing to do is just have Shepard die at the end no matter which ending is chosen (technically still 'alive' in a way int the control ending). But they purposely chose to show Shepard breathing. The end scene with the stargazer, shows us that we will get 'one more story.'
In the 'breathing scene' you can clearly see wherever Shepard landed, its cold, this is clearly supposed to be the same location as in the teaser trailer.
Liara wouldn't be smiling at some random N7 armour buried in the snow for no reason, she's very clearly looking for Shepard. The fact she only finds his armour and not a body, shows Shepard must still be alive, and probably somewhere else on the planet. There's also very clearly a dead reaper in the teaser, which further proves a perfect destroy ending is likely going to be the 'canon' ending going forward.
I'm about 95% certain Shepard will be in ME5. Maybe not as the protagonist (they could be in an Anderson/Hackett role) but I'd be shocked if the next Mass Effect took us far away from the end of ME3. Bioware is on the ropes as a company, they need an easy win. The easiest way to get that win is to bring back Shepard, bring back the fan favourites (we already know Liara is back) and play it safe. That's what I'm expecting.
I hope that we play as Ryder if not Shepard.
EA won't allow it. Ryder is the protagonist from a financially failed game
@@SeverusHunt makes no sense but ok
Its conrad looking for Shepard XD
Mass Effect: The Force Awakes
The majority chose destroy.
Shepard rescued by the N7 program and overseeing the creation of the N7 mass relay
I love Shepard like the next guy but for me the whole appeal of the franchise since 2007 has been the possibility to see characters and stories fully independent of Shepard. It’s a vast and rich world. Constantly going back to Shepard and company limits the franchise.
I'm 100% behind you on that one. It's a complete waste to have us cuckholded by a deified an immortal Shepherd who at this point will have literally bounced back from death more times than Jesus. The possibility of exploring the universe and its stories and not be shackled by the past is too much to not wish for. Not only that but part of the reason the original trilogy was so good were the odds. It's like if Red Dead kept bringing John or Arthur back from the dead. It takes away any emotional impact and thus renders the entire games completely pointless. The ending and the consequences and the emotional weight of the Reaper invasion would be undone if Shep keeps coming back like a Saturday morning cartoon villain of the 90s.
Also to keep putting him on some sort of pedestal as if he was literally the only competent soldier in a universe full of Asari commandos, N7s, Krogan, Drell assassin's, Torians and Spectres will just made any subsequent character feel inept and unbelievable.
Bioware doesn't have the best track record as of late. Their last few games have been flops and the only positive reception they've had was re-releasing a 10-year-old trilogy with some slight tweaks and a texture pack.
The fans want to continue Shepard's story. Or at least someone who was part of their crew.
I absolutely believe Bioware is bringing Shepard back in some form. They are in a precarious situation after Mass Effect : Andromeda (which is making it's comeback, finally) and Anthem's downfall. While not everyone wants Shepard back, Bioware has too much riding on Dragon Age: Dreadwolf and Mass Effect 5 that if DA:D bombs, they will have no choice but to bring an Iconic character back just to save their company. They have already canonized the destroy ending, we saw ruined Relays that weren't being repaired, and a planet covered in Reaper Corpses. Being as Destroy is the only survivable ending of the four choices, that alone means that Shepard is returning in some fashion as does the unmistakable return of Liara. While Liara was a pivotal character in the Trilogy, she is not Main Character material. I also believe that is why Legendary was released when it was, for this generation of tech; easier to transfer saves if a launcher already exists. Also, a mysterious sixth ark left that is unaccounted for.
I agree entirely. Furthermore, the stats released by Bioware regarding ending choices didn't look at only first play-throughs. They looked at the totality of play-throughs. While Destroy may have been chosen fewer than half, it was still just 2 percentage points below the combined number of times Contol and Synthesis were chosen. Sure, not everyone got the perfect Destroy ending, but the vast majority of devoted fans played to achieve that ending at least once.
Yeah, i hope it's balenciaga
Truthfully I would rather be a new character but maybe have a Shepard cameo either a vi of Sheppard or Sheppard him/her self being the new ambassador.
Could also be Ryder Sr 's armor. Implying Liars has reached Andromeda
You are half right.
You're right that Liara will visit Andromeda.
Wrong that in the teaser, Liara raised the Ryder Sr's armor.
There are two dead Reapers on the planet in the teaser. The fact that these are two dead Reapers was confirmed by the developers themselves on Twitter.
And before the release of Andromeda, the developers said that the Reapers did not fly to other Galaxies. That is, dead Reapers cannot be in Andromeda on the planet
I wouldn't mind a plot point being this, but I think Bioware needs to appeal to the fans whilst moving forward with the universe
As a Canadian dealing with winter each year, i'm not sure that snow automatically means it,s not Earth... could be in the Arctic or Antartica or something... no?
You were mentioning the dead reapers while others channel shown the approval from bioware if Liara is walking on a "Dead Reaper" which mean only happen on Destroyed ending., Or other possibilty that dead reapers is killed by shepard, but if it so, then the chance for Liara to walk on a dead reaper are known like Rannoch, Tuchanka, Desponia, and Citadel (Which I am not sure where is that dead sovereign been disposed) or there are more which means I am missed some important details. Or someone would say that is the sleeping reaper that Shepard control.?
It is quite make senses about what you said about Liara was reminiscing or Remembering time with Shepard when she finds that N7 piece while she isn't in hurry state, so it would be a coincidence that she had happen to be there on some mission, at the other hand I thought that she were smiling because she found the N7 pieces without Shepard's dead body where could means Shepard is on the move. Just my thought..
And some questions followed by some opinion that could be wrong about the time skip..
We can see the destroyed mass relay in the trailer when we knew at ME endings, the Alliance with other races were try to rebuild which could mean if the times are skipped for centuries, the relays must have been finished to be repaired..
At the other hands we knew in some poster there is a relay with probability Cerberus color.
Here's my thoughts, the first race we knew who succeeds to copy a mass relay are Prothean races on Illos, then there is omega 4 relay where only connect to collector("also prothean") home base just like the relay on Illos, we knew that only Cerberus who succeeds to use the omega relay even translocate the destroyed or Intact technology from there while we also knew they have their own base for each different experience such as Overlord project, Sanctuary, even Aria's Omega. So it make senses if they already start to build their own Relay without being noticed by the Alliance. Since not finished by the end at War with the reapers, so it can't be counted for the crucible as a part of living synthetic. Besides, the Illusive Man already told us about the wrong perspective about Cerberus.
But there is one thing that make me curious about ME;A which is not the creator of remnants tech but instead the "Benefactor". Unlimited resources and Credits just like Cerberus. Which could be a possibility of the connection between Andromeda and Milkyway, so it doesn't need the time skip but it is something more make sense to me if it were connected to the lost arc or the last possible arc..
By the way I haven't played the Andromeda, it is not because what people said but because the poor console that I have so I could be wrongs..
Sorry for any mistakes and any bad English..
Before the release of Andromeda, the developers themselves said that Cerberus has no attachment to the Andromeda Initiative
@@SeverusHunt Yes I found that too, n with that statement come from Bioware/EA just made me more curious about this benefactor, since it is not something unimportant from the way I saw it on ME; and couldn't not be an unsolved mystery.. but it is just my thought.
@@nduydasilva6403 I have an idea that this is the old Shadow Broker
@@SeverusHunt ah yes, I've never thought about that, and now you're remembering me something forgotten.. the original races of d shadow broker, the Yacht (hope not misspelled)..
Good point and make sense in some possibilities even it's ship tech and network are targeted by Cerberus but not touched by the reapers, n still too much unknown about them compared to what've been shared.
There are something that you all needs to understand, that this Bioware its not that company of the early 2011, this company really need a huge hit to stay alive, and this franchise too, so the only protagonist that can "save" Bioware, from been close from EA, its Shepard and some of his crew.
I would like that in the next Mass Effect 5 Male Shepard Vanilla design have a beard and medium long hair, with the scars of project lazarus open that's a cool design
Yes I want to play as someone looking for Shepherd
Somthing me and my pals were talking about is what if the final goodbye from Liara was her conceiving Shepherds child. We've known multiple times that melding is how they reproduce. Maybe the new PC would be Liaras child.
As much as I hate to admit it but its truly the most likely thing is to bring Sheppard back in a major way ie: looking for him alive or otherwise or just using a vi of him but any way you put it there is zero possibility that any person in the entire milky way hadnt heard of Sheppard and not grown up hearing stories of him/her. When your least famous thing is first human specter and savior of the citadel you become unavoidable and sadly that's something bioware will have to deal with. I mean youve made this one character a mythical being to the point that its impossible to not have heard at least 5 stories about the person.
I'd like answers of course, but I don't think I'd like an entire game of searching for Shep.
People seem to forget that N7 does not equal Shepard.
N7 takes gifted soldiers who have been thru the grinder and come thru it tougher than ever and turns them into supersoldiers.
And yes. There's more than 5 in the galaxy. Obviously.
Shepard survived the crucible explosion and traveled to another planet. Liara is tracking down where he/she went and will end up finding the commander’s offspring which is who we will play as. Another Shepherd who is a direct descendant. All speculation obviously.
Who could have saved Shepard after the blast? Well, there are some characters that could be there. Bailey? Aira?
Shepard could then be saved. Aira would have the best chance to heal Shepard. In helping take back, Omega didn't just give Aira nearly unlimited resources, but she started to see Shepard as a "partner."
That would be my best bet on way to bring Shepard back
Mass Effect=Shepard
I think one of the biggest hints so far at ME5 was the artwork of the crater that looked like a geth and the SFX shuttle. At the ground you can see bodies of what appear to be recently killed geth. This would imply that the destroy ending was only partially succesful, meaning there could still be a living Shepard, EDI, geth, and even reapers. If ME5 isn't about hunting down Shepard, it is possible it could be hunting down the remaining reapers in a broken galaxy
I really hope that isn't the case theories aside let Shepard rest they earned it
The only way the search for Shephard story line works in my head is if the PC is Shephard and Liara daughter
Search....why? Shep dies in citadel over earth
When Shepard said he will destroy the Reapers even if it kills him i believe it was Anderson or Hackett that said you was brought back from the dead once who says we can't do it again
I might be looking way too much into it but i thought thst could be a hint that if you die they will attempt to bring him back to life
I think it was Mr Hulten, the Swedish guy, *thumbs to you both*, unsure what ME 4/5, curious what Bioware doing, but looking forward what we have in store, lol
Thank you for vids and him... you two have awesome thoughts... we love ME.
Here’s a theory: intro- a cutscene of what’s been happening since the end of the reapers(might be a long cutscene)-, the conversation that was being had for the n7 teaser is being spoken by Laura and then it transitions into a small prologue where your laura taking over and following a linear path while she slow walks on that frozen planet- she sees a pod where she wipes away the snow from it and says I found you…pause…Shepard andddddd boom character creation
We could play Mass Effect 5 as our evil clone (whose body we never found) which would allow us to play as Shepard whilst allowing any ending to be canon as we would not be Yourself but have a crisis of Faith as you deal with being a clone whilst faced a New Crisis such as everyone being Mutated via use of the Crucible no matter what ending is chosen and now everyone has glowing green lines and everyone has killed all the reapers for what they've done and now your Dealing with the Fallout of it all of your goody twin.
what would be interesting to see if for me is if we actually find out who the benefactor from ME:A is, or if we even get to meet the benefactor in the next ME game.
I think the Benefactor was an old Shadow Broker
@@SeverusHunt could be a possibility
I know it's far fetched, but my theory is Liara is looking for Reaper Tech to help fight The Kett who might have invaded the Milky Way. And she just happened to stumble on the N7 piece and remember her time with Shepard. That way nothing needs to be explained or canonized. Ryder may still be the protagonist this way. As far as travel, they maybe found a way for relay jumps between galaxies or some other form of travel. Quarian ark, benefactor, Ryder's mother could all be part of this. Another possibility, could be part of Alec Ryder's helmet, even though highly unlikely. Liara knew him after all. And not throwing out the fact that Liara might be the benefactor after all she is The Shadow Broker. Just my thoughts.
«Ryder may still be the protagonist this way»
What are the chances that the protagonist from a financially failed game will be made the protagonist of a new game? Especially when they(EA) are around.
Three facts that Liara is not a Benefactor:
1. Assassination of Garson;
2. Giant money and resources for Liara appeared only in ME2 when she became a Shadow Broker. The Benefactor began sponsoring the Andromeda Initiative before the events of ME1;
3. The Benefactor learned about the Reapers before the events of ME1. Liara found out about the Reapers in ME1
I think the destroy ending shouldn't be canon because it only demonstrates how the catalyst was right about organics killing sentient machines which was the whole reason the catalyst was created in the first place
The best canon ending would be the control ending. It's the only one which demonstrates how organics and sentient machines can coexist which is the one thing the catalyst never knew how to do. By Shepard bringing together all the different races along with the rachni and geth it showed the catalyst that the harvest wasn't necessary anymore making the reapers unnecessary and not needed anymore
Also the control ending allows organics and sentient machines to maintain their different was of life without having to combine each other like in the synthesis ending. I think for the next game Liara will find enough DNA to bring Shepard back for the next big threat to the galaxy. Probably the one's who caused the scourge in Andromeda
But in Control, the Reapers will destroy any threat. There's no point in playing this
@@SeverusHunt That's true they would destroy any threat IF there was an outside threat to the galaxy. At some point in time Shepard's reapers would've discovered the Andromeda initiative and in doing so would've found out about the scourge, kett, and Jardín (the Angaran and kett creators). That would give the reapers not only a new target to protect but also one where they can help the initiative with settling in Andromeda
They could also be the saviors of the other 3 vessels that we didn't see in Andromeda which had the Quarians, elcor, volus, and hanar aboard them. Also because the reapers did stay out in dark space it's very possible they went back out there again to sleep until they're needed. That would leave 1 reaper to monitor the galaxy just like sovereign did
I think Ryder found away to build a ship that can travel threw worm holes like star gate a gate that make them travel threw speed of light to other galaxies
Indoctrination theory cannonizes all the endings and allows shepard to survive them all because the ending is all in his/her head and he's either Indoctrinated and needs to be saved or he's lost and needs to be saved
We, the player, choose and customize our own character choosing between a turian, an Asari, a quarian or a human, we are Liara’s ‘soldier’ our job for the game is to find shepherd 🤔
I’m not married to any one theory really. Frankly, it’s a recipe for disappointment for anyone if ME5 doesn’t go where they think/want it to.
I’m cool with anything BioWare decides to do with Mass Effect 5. As long as it’s as good as the trilogy and fits well with the series. And they address what happened to our original Squad post Reaper War. A proper send of and explanation after everything we’ve been through with them throughout the trilogy.
I’m fine if they leave Shepard dead or somehow survives ME3. If dead, I hope we stick with Ryder and not bring in yet another protagonist so soon after we got Ryder. I’ve grown fond of her. Just age the Andromeda squad up a bit, make them more mature and battle hardened like the old squad. And maybe have her go through the N7 training and earn the same rank as her father/Shepard. Would be even better if we actually play through the training.
And for the love of God, get rid of Liam. Seriously, f^ck that guy
It's been announced several times that Destroy IS the cannon ending - unless they recently recanted. This means no EDI, no Geth, etc. They could have come up with a way to let Shepard survive the other endings though we didn't see it in ME3. We know how he supposedly dies with the other choices but that doesn't mean his "death" was permanent. For instance they could do another Cerberus-like Resurrection.
BioWare has said several times that there is NO canon ending.
@@kalaelizabeth Then that's either new, or out of date; because they've said that moving forward the cannon ending of ME3 is destroy.
@@WickedPrince3Dthis is literally not true. They have never said a choice is canon going forward, I don't know where you heard this, but it is not true.
Personally I would rather play as a new N7 soldier and have Shepard be relegated to being a legend with statues and museums on Citadel and Earth. Maybe if the game is set a few decades after Reaper war new protagonist could be an orphan from the reaper war. Having Shepard be the playable protagonist would be cool but only if it's executed properly and having him around as NPC/Advisor would end up just as well as Hawke being an NPC in Inquisition.
Here's what I think, and I apologize in advance for this being a lengthy post, but after analyzing, I have came to a conclussion. I do feel like Bioware will bring back Shepard in the next Mass Effect game.
First, we see them making the destroy ending cannon due to all the destruction left behind from the reapers, as well as a mass effect relay still left in ruins. This ending is the only ending where Shepard survives, while the other two endings Shepard doesn't survive.
Second, we see a shuttle entering a planet's atmosphere, which looks very similar to the shuttle that was used on the SSV Normandy. If we remember from the ending of Mass Effect 3, we see the Normandy taking off after crash landing on a planet. They could of left to realign themselves with the remaining alliance fleet, or they could of left to search for Commander Shepard, which brings to my next point.
Third, We see Liara climbing up a snowy hill, with a Reaper barely visible in the background. We also see her stopping to pick up a N7 piece that was left in the snow. This was a piece of armor that Shepard did wear during the Priority: Earth mission, so it's very possible that that piece belongs to him/her. Also, Liara was on board the SSV Normandy the entire time during Mass Effect 3 storyline, and with her vast intel she possesses, it's very possible that she picked up intel on Shepard's location. Not to mention, when she picked that piece of armor up, she smiled, which could mean to signal that her intel was accurate, and that she found where Shepard is.
Fourth, We see a figure walking in a building that is wearing the iconic N7 attire, but with a jacket and a helmet. This could very well be Shepard, since that is an alliance outfit, and the only one that really wore that was Shepard. Whether this is true or not, is still up in the air, but this is also a hint at his/her return to the Mass Effect game.
I think its going to be a game about grief ( so the Community stop asking for Shepard ). With maybe at the end a message that shep made before going to the battle of earth.
From a pratical standpoint they should canonise an ending so that every player start the new game from the same point, it's alot easier than starting from 3 possible points since it will create a new choise tree.
We dont know where shepard was transported upon the destruction of the catalysts. Warping can be wierd like that. He didn't just fall down.
It isn't Shepard's helmet fragment because Shepard wasn't wearing a helmet at the end of ME3. Pathfinder Ryder was the first N7 and the tech in the teasers all appear to be Andromeda tech. The N7 armour is available to research and develop in Andromeda.
It was his duty but he'll probably be back
The caretakers could’ve picked Shepard up.
Sure I wouldn't mind playing as Liara. But I think I would enjoy it even more playing as an extremely determined and obsessed Garrus! Especially if it's a Garrus that was romanced by FemShep! Now that would be one hell of a story!
i dont think playing an established character is something bioware will do (outside of dlcs like in DAorigins). part of their brand is the fact players can create their own "hero" and their relationships with their companions.
Let's not forget Mr James Vega. Someone approved him joining the N7 ranks. Maybe Liara is looking for him? Bwahaha coughs ,ahem ... it could happen😄
Looking at all the teasers...
The Destroy ending appears to be canonized, but the geth survived somehow, as they released an audio file of Liara speaking with what Sounds like a Geth... "why didn't we know about this" is likely referring to the andromeda initiative.
The shown tech seems more advanced, and they seem to be building new relays...
The planet may have NOTHING to do with Shephard, that might be planet Ryder, with them following the Andromeda Initiative, and smiling because she has a clue, tied to an old colleague... or, more likely, Shephard might be long dead, and liara intends to Pull a Cerberus and Clone Shephard to bring him back in "a time of need"...
Absence of evidence, is not evidence of absence. Just because we dont see Sheppard survive in the other two endings doesn't mean they dont.
bioware already said the next game would tie andromeda with the original trilogy.. so imagine if the destroy ending made the xplosion somehow open a rift from relays and make shepard end up on some andromeda planet with the broken reaper. could even be that snow planet in andromeda (cant remember the name) and maybe thats why you see shapes that remind of the angara races from andromeda and ship that looks like ryders. and we also know that they somehow are working on new relays and with the new tech might be able to open a route to andromeda and milky way.
The playable Ryder was an n7 too
Ryder was not an N7, only their dad was. Ryder just got to wear the armor.
I have a theory that in the end of mass effect 3 they somehow ended up in Andromeda, then Liara will eventually meet Ryder, they will get into a Mass Relay that's connecting the Milky Way Galaxy and Andromeda eventually and as we know Mass Relays are time machines, so they will connect with the Milky Way Galaxy just after the reapers get defeated.
There is such a journalist Liana Rupert. She is a fan of Mass Effect. In 2021, she said in one of the videos that the developers confirmed to her that Liara will be old in the next Mass Effect.
Liara Asari. She was 109 years old in ME3. Asari become old from the age of 700.
That is, she is 700 or more years old in the new ME.
And that means she lived 600 years in the Milky Way.
I've played Mass Effect Trilogy about 15 times both pre and post Legendary Edition, and I'm currently on my 3rd playthrough of Andromeda (which I think was a waste of time and money for both Bioware and players). Not sure why they even bothered with Andromeda in the first place. You make some valid points there however I think you forgot there was another species on the Citadel when shepard pushed the panic button. So my theory is that in perfect destroy ending the keepers rescue shepard and hide them somewhere so they can nurse them back to health. They do this because their only purpose was to facilitate the reapers but now that shepard released them from reaper control they need new purpose in life. Also, there is one species who would be perfect for hunting shepard.....the rachni. My personal preference would be for the rachni and the Zhu's Hope colonists to team up because now they share similar communication methods. I'm curious on your thoughts about these possibilities.
Really appreciate you mentioning the caveats about early teasers and concept art. However, I think the N7 piece really could be from an unknown soldier's hardsuit. If we analyse the teaser scene from another point of view, Liara could be trekking up the dead reaper for some other purpose, and then happen across the N7 fragment. Such a find would elicit the fond nostalgic emotions you highlight, without the need for the item to be actually Shepard's.
Thing is, the N7 logo is going to be part of the marketing come what may. It is *the* most significant piece of branding in the whole franchise. BW/EA's marketing department will insist in its inclusion, Shepard or no Shepard. That's why we got it in ME:A, not because it was necessary to the story. I think your idea about altering the logo's presentation is a good one, as if Shepard isn't in the game, they shouldn't confuse the fanbase. But we're gonna see a lot more of the N7 no matter what.
New protagonists could be conrad verner's grandson/daughter
I think as the a new character hunting for shepard will be first part of the game that will later loop into the bigger threat
What if the control ending is canon and with reaper technology Shepard reach andromeda earlier than Ryder?
when i saw Andromeda, i never once thought of Shepard. for my Shepard was dead, the only way he was coming back, was restarting and making a new version. when i see the n7 piece, i dont think of them finding shepard, but more just finding random parts that remind them of the past. i would love play as liara, but i don't think we can, i think were getting a new protaganist. Ryder wont make sense with them only being a few years since the ending of mass effect 3, so unless they want to put continuity on its head, and introduce time travel, then i feel were getting either a new guy, or an already pre-established character, i would love it to be garus, but we only see a turian, salarian, and what looks like a krogan. so i think at least some of the crew survived. while the new protaganist will have to come to terms that they are standing in shepards old place, and having him question things as they go, i don't want shepard back as the main protaganist if they keep him alive.
why can't the ME fans just accept and embrace the idea of moving on from Shephard? I love the OG trilogy, and enjoyed Andromeda but lets get a new protagonist with brand new squamates to fall in love with. I am looking forward to the start of a new story not rehashing old characters.
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I believe Shepard will take on the role of Admiral Hackett, or Captain Anderson.
Andromeda are events in a different galaxy, they should just leave them there as like a spinoff, because technically it was just a spinoff if you think about it. The big question to, "what if we just went to another galaxy where there were no reapers?".
Unless this game affects the entire universe, or the game is set in Ryder's time, I see no way how they can make the connection to Andromeda, and somehow have Shepard involved, without killing off everyone else we knew from the original trilogy with a few exceptions of course.
Part of me is fairly confident it will be closer to the original trilogy. Since in the decipher Liara did mention the council still being around. And now maybe tying it to Andromeda, maybe the expedition still takes place for whatever reason and that's how it somehow ties itself to the story going forward I don't know.
The human we saw in the trailer or in the concept arts were maybe the boy stargazer is talking to at the end of ME3
Great theory!!! Great stuff!
Ryder also doesn't make sense because they are in the future.
Another great vid, Kala. I don't think the 2020 trailer means anything more then the return to Mass Effect in the milky way. Also, in the shot of the planet next to the Citadel, I believe it shows it's still on the Sol system. If you look to the left of the planet there are 3 distinct stars, that to me look like Orion's belt.
Harbinger saved Shepard from the Citadel (because reasons....). Then the destroy beam rode the mass relays and took Harbinger down in the same way that it forced the Normandy down onto the jungle planet, only Harbinger didn't survive. It's Harbinger on the snow planet, and that's why Shepard's helmet is also there. I may, or may not be joking..... :D
It'll be a new protagonist. I agree that it won't be Liara, or any of the other established characters, and I subscribe to the timeline being much closer to ME3 than MEA so I can't see how it would by Ryder. A new protagonist makes most sense.
I can't really see how they won't have to canonize an ending, and although I agree that Destroy was chosen by less than half of the playerbase, it was still by far the most popular of the 4 choices. Knowing how divisive the ending was it makes sense to me that if they canonize any ending it will be the most popular one so as to annoy as few people as possible.
Being honest no matter whatever they décide to go with the universe, not canonising one ending and some of the choices made by shepard and going on the Line « yeah after 700 years your choices didn’t have much of an impact after all » would be the absolute worst case scénario. Some vétéran of shepard story are even still alive to see how useless thoose choices where in the end
I mean yeah you have defeated the reapers, but it’s shepard’s only legacy you still ruin the idea of « your choices have consequences »
Even worse how will you have your players engaged in this séquel ? If only the cosmic threat have any lasting result ? And even there if you ultimatly don’t really have much impact beside « it stopped or not »
Of course if they can pull out à scénario where your choices have impact and are all considered it would be best, but I don’t think it’s actually possible.
Hence, they have to canonise one ending.
As for the statistics about player choices, I think you Forget that pple have had multiple playthrough.
Not going for the perfect destroy ending in your first run doesn’t mean that you never achieved it. (Or any other ending)
And I’m not quite sure that pple who did only one run will mind if you go on « well we had to make some choices to writte a great story »
I truly don't want Shephard to be a playable character in this game. Shephard's story is complete. Also don't make us play as a character in a previous game. Let us create our own character.
Could the citadel be blocking the sun causing snow in some areas
In the 2020 teaser, the snow planet has three moons. Earth only has one moon
@@SeverusHunt I only remember 2 and the ending of M3 what people call the prefect ending when the Normandy leaves the planet it shows it has 2 moons like the planet from the teaser for the next mass effect game
In the teaser, the planet has three moons. If you want, I'll send you a screenshot on Twitter and show you the three moons
I don't get why you had Ryder even be a part of the video as that return trip from Andromeda would take place 1200+ years after ME3.
Simply no. Do not have a hunt for Shepard. Do not have the player be Liara. Do not bring back Shepard. Shepard's story has been told, it's over. Start something new, something fresh, something else we can (as fans of the ME franchise) find as yet another strong building block to add to our wall of fame.
Would be cool to see two endings acknowledged shepard dies shepard lives. If you start the game where shepard dies you create a new character. If shepard lives you play as your shepard with Mark Meer and Jennifer hale doing the voice
The only ones that makes sense to look for Shepard is Miranda Liara the virmire survivor or James just some random character doesn’t make sense
I don't mind them cannonizing an ending. But they have leave Sheppard alone, their story is over
I love watching these, it inspired me to look up and read all the Mass Effect Discovery comics, and later my partner and I will watch the Mass Effect: Paragon Lost movie.
Nice video, I'm glad I've found your channel as the other ones are kinda drifting out the style I like lately, so I'm prioritizing watching your videos for Mass Effect materials than the others. Please keep it up! Talking about EA/Bioware, well, besides all the challenges the creative team from Bioware already have in their hands, I believe they are also on hold because EA execs are waiting for Starfield to see how they'll handle the next game. Let's hope it will be a more positive thing than an extra layer of pressure for them. Only time will tell. But I wish the Bioware Team all the best and I hope they can provide us an excellent game when the time comes!
7:40 I know it probably doesn't make a difference but she is most definitely not picking up the helmet at the top of the reaper - she's barely above the ground level when she stands back up and you see her teammates.
Not trying to be a dick about it, loved the video. Maybe it's some sort of red herring having Liara climb a reaper and then actually finding the helmet somewhere else. It's probably not, but hey, anything to inspire smarter minds than me on maybe finding something new in the trailer
I have a little theory of my own is that in the little snippet we goy of the man-made relay, I think they are taking that to the andromeda galaxy. My theory is you spend half the game getting ready then taking the relay so you can jump between galaxies. It's a vague theory maybe shepard will retire in andromeda a few years after rider arrived.
I would prefer a 2nd resurrection of Shepard. Liara clones Shepard, and you as Shepard continues and saves the galaxy again. To be another character that seeks Shepard disconnects me, as a player. Its odd. Yes, be Liara, resurrect Shepard, you continue the game as Shepard. Liara could be Shepard's canon love. Liara had given the remains to Cerberus, if I remember her dialog in her Ilium office. I rather forget about Ryder. The character was rather unlikable.
Liara could be happy picking up the helmet piece because she might be able to find cloneable DNA in the immediate area. Skin, blood, saliva cells. She may, with the help of Javik perhaps since he may have the ability to sense and store memory in objects, have copied Shepard's consciousness. She may have done this during the last parting neural link at the makeshift headquarters in the ruins of London. The place where he/she says goodbye to Grunt, Garrus, EDI, Liara, etc.
I’m hoping that our choices from the mass effect trilogy carries over to the next new mass effect game… I’ll give BioWare a 4 out of 10 for making your choices matter in the trilogy BioWare didn’t do a great job it could have been so much better.
What if we're Liara's/Sheps Son/daughter?
Very limiting as it basically canonizes the Liara romance. But it would make for some dramatic moments, so much time having passed. Maybe Shepard is frozen Captain America style.
Liara's son? O_o
Did you know that Asari can only give birth to daughters?
@@SeverusHunt i mean they are mono gendered. asari can be either a daughter or a son. Liara had a "father" as an asari.
They should make humanity the aggressor in the new game
Let me be clear.
The ONLY way Mass Effect 5 will be good is if Commander Shepherd is NOT involved other than being referred to regarding events that took place CENTURIES ago.
As the producers/developers of the Mass Effect Trilogy said after Mass Effect 3 went on sale: "Commander Shepherd's story is done".
And in reaction to that statement, this goes out to ALL those so-called 'people' who were upset with Mass Effect Andromeda AND the fact that Commander Shepherd WASN'T in it:
Commander Shepherd is, how shall I put it as DELICATELY as possible: Cleaned, Erased, Snubbed, Scrubbed, Cleansed, Rubbed Out, Snuffed Out, Eradicated, Eliminated, Terminated, Wiped Out, KO'd, 86'd, Whacked, Kacked, Knocked Off, Done Away With, Killed, Bought The Farm, Pushing Up Daisies, Deceased, Taking A Dirt Nap, Sleeping, Buried, Kicked The Bucket, Feeding The Worms, D. E. D. = DEAD!!!!
Get over it and MOVE ON!!!!
And what I find to be absolutely HILARIOUS is that MOST of those who didn't like Mass Effect Andromeda absolutely REFUSE to be honest and tell the truth and ADMIT that they don't like Mass Effect Andromeda PRIMARILY because Commander Shepherd isn't in it.
Instead, they cry like little babies and try to 'claim': there was vary limited information about the history of the Andromeda Galaxy".
To that, my response is this: "DDUUUHHHH!!!!".
OF COURSE the Milky Way Species WOULDN'T have ANY knowledge of the Andromeda Galaxy's history. I mean SEARIOSLY, "DDUUUHHHH!!!"
Oh wait, I just now figured it out. They are upset that Q DIDN'T appear in a flash of light, snap hid fingers, and make ALL the Milky Way Galaxy Species AND the Angarra INSTANTLY know the ENTIRE HISORY of the Andromeda Galaxy.
There we go, know we know.
As UNDISPUTABLE PROOF of my point, Mass Effect 3 had FAR more lore/history than the First Mass Effect game. But do you hear ANYONE trashing the First Mass Effect game because of that in the SAME WAY that they trash Mass Effect Andromeda?
The answer is NO. You DON'T hear them trashing the First Mass Effect game for that, and the reason is BLATANTLY OBVIOUS: the First Mass Effect game had their 'beloved' Commander Shepherd in it, therefore the limited knowledge of the history of the Milky Way Galaxy is COMPLETELY acceptable.
Just saying.
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@@kalaelizabeth regarding my comment referring to Q, I can just picture it now: Q suddenly appears in a flash of light, looks at Ryder, then says: "Temper, Temper, mon Pathfinder" lol.
They need a free dlc where you play as an agent of the Shadow Broker along with your choive of love interest and one other squad member who search for Shepard. The agent could be any race.
Bioware have said many times that the history of Mass Effect is the history of humanity and that is why they always make only the human protagonist