The Mysterious Object Found in a Prehistoric Burial Site
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- Опубліковано 17 лют 2022
- Described as the "most important piece of prehistoric art to be found in Britain in the last 100 years", an elaborately decorated 5,000-year-old chalk cylinder, buried with three child skeletons in Yorkshire, and as old as the first phase of Stonehenge, is going on display at the British Museum for the first time.
Known as the Burton Agnes chalk drum, we were able to view this incredible piece of art up close.
History Hit's Tristan Hughes was given special access to the 'World of Stonehenge exhibition' to speak to the team responsible for the discovery and explore its fascinating story.
#Prehistoric #Drum #StoneHenge
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I can't believe some of the rude comments. I have no idea why someone would feel the need to be so personally obnoxious. Thank you for sharing this wonderful story. I only wish the pandemic would disappear so I could safely travel to the uk again and revisit the museum . I have spent many hours there and would love to see those wonderful artifacts.
First day on the internet?
Hi Karen!
It's called ignorance dear, just ignore it.
@@gooner72 Yes, it *_is_* a bit funny how completely clueless people think that calling others ignorant in a polite fashion isn’t an insult…
The reason your getting rude comments is there are OTHER archeological sites like gobekli tepe that aren't being excavated because it would prove the time line thats taught in school is false. Thats the problem. I would argue the tree of life found in the walls of the osirion is more important than this.
I would have loved a bit more information about the physical object itself, including how they think that it was made. I've never heard of these before, so have no frame of reference.
Ancient Architects did a fairly interesting video on it
@@hannahlarge5738 The Ancient Architects video has more info on what was in the grave and how it relates. This video has better detail on the drums and relation to locations of the drums and butterfly/sun theme items.
Agree
I think no one thought to open it, like some kind of Monty Python sketch.
Another brief explanation ua-cam.com/video/uFFOGDJQMYQ/v-deo.html
Hope you enjoy the video guys! We'd highly recommend the exhibition at the British Museum - a fascinating insight into this mysterious period of history.
its excellent thanks
Keep up the great work!!
I went earlier in the week. It is a fascinating exhibition.
It is a super exhibition! Went with three friends. It was all so engrossing that we were startled to realise when we exited that we had been in there for three hours!
Thank you for explaining. I hope you give me your opinion in this short video
ua-cam.com/video/uFFOGDJQMYQ/v-deo.html
You can't help but be happy for the lady who found the drum. She just can't stop smiling.
so sweet see her little face so proud of her once in a lifetime find
This made me really emotional. I can feel the love and pain that went into that burial all that time ago. All humans are the same and we always have been
If a video about some pottery made you emotional you shouldn’t be able to vote.
No we're not the same. Knowledge and technology has evolved so much since that time.
We are currently living like Kings and Queens - at least those in Western countries are. Let's hope we continue to do so (until I die at least).
I can make better stuff than this old junk
@@Badger1776 What a crass comment, as if having and displaying emotions is somehow stupid. You must be very young to have exposed your own lack of depth so easily and if I were you I'd exercise a little restraint before posting in the future...just a thought.
@@garyphisher7375 I think the statement was merely pointing toward the ways in which humans, regardless of the era they live in or the culture or race or even their level of technology (so far) generally share those basic emotions like loss, grief, loneliness, fear, etc. I see it as a perfectly valid observation.
Drums were referenced in several articles as follows:
“Despite its name, the object is not thought to be a musical instrument but rather a piece of sculptural art.”
Thank you for this info. I was wondering why they were referring to it as a drum.
It’s drum-shaped, hence referred to as a limestone drum. Nothing to do with the musical instrument which is also drum-shaped.
I think it’s a real drum and would like them to demonstrate how it plays
The word "drum" doesn't just have the single musical connotation. A drum is also a cylinder ie. Oil drum
@@stevenlohel984 True though I imagine if you set that drum down on the ground and hit the top with a stick it would make a cool sound.
The lozenge shape has been repeatedly used in many areas thousands of years ago, and I am familiar with a great many of them. We must never underestimate how brilliant our ancestors were in many cases. To them the artistry, technology, craftsmanship, were subservient to the greater spiritual power of the symbols themselves. The barrow gold lozenges, the drum, in Orkney area, El Dolman de Soto, Beaker pottery, and other ancient creations were imbued with a spiritual reverence we lack. Thank you so much.
Agreed.
I listened for almost nine minutes without ever hearing anyone explain what the heck a chalk drum is.
It's a drum-shaped piece of chalk.
Many places in England are huge chalk deposits, just below the surface under the grass. It's not too hard to get and easy to carve!
@@Landstander-to9vh OK, sure, but that doesn't quite answer the question.
@@Nyctophora Ah, so, oh wise one. How, pray tell, did you divine that answer?
@@waynemyers2469 a bird leg is called a drum stick bc it resembles the skinny stick with bulged end used to hit drums, not drums themselves
Ps. i bet their little drum made more of a "thwock" sound
Not sure if it's already been mentioned but they'd make an interesting pattern when rolled across a clay surface.
must have been brought up but this has to be for just that, could put dye on it and put pattern on cloth or other surfaces. Could it just be a toy? It's with the kids...
It would be a very expensive item, and loosing your children would be a catastrophe, and giving them a way to make their outcome in the next world. They are probable tools for clay pots or skin or textile. Marking with some color and roll on the skin either for Tattooing or just temporary decoration, maybe every family had their own, or village.
@@dogrudiyosun useless in what sense? It worked well enough you interacted with the video, watched it and even left a comment you’re only spreading it through the algorithm
@@dogrudiyosun it must be hard for you to not be a c unt.
@@richicks425 lol 😆
I’ve been following the dig at the Ness of Brodgar on Orkney for several years, and the butterfly motif is a very common one on the stones there. It is very cool to see the patterns used elsewhere on the British Isles!
It's a Labrys
The symbol later appear as a rune as well. That could be a coincidence, but I don't think so. Runes were invented in Denmark in the early to mid 200s AD and I think it was a symbol that still were known at the time, maybe still in use or something people had seen in petroglyphs or on old pottery shards. There is also a cross rune but think that one is just a too logical and easy sign to use, like our "X" and not related to the earlier sun cross.
But it makes sense, Denmark did have a lot of connection with the British isles even in Neolithic times and a lot more so during the bronze age. Trading tin from Cornwall with Danish amber was pretty common after all and Orkney is not that far from Scandinavia either.
X is also the Phoenician Symbol for Fish, as in Pisces ♓ Copper Axes (like the double bitted Labrys of Minoa) and other implements from Cyprus were found in Scandinavia dated to 1400BC, as well as Feance Beads shown to have come from the same Amarna workshop that made the same thing for King Tut.
@Cloud Newman That is true, but more because general history books tend to be 10 years after. The valid books that is up to date are not written for the public but for archaeologists and historians.
There are some really good UA-cam channels run by actual archaeologists that talks about new discoveries though. Sadly have I not seen any documentary on Boncuklu Tarla yet, just articles on the net about it. I think that site will take over after Göbekli Tepe as the strangest and most interesting old site in the world.
But that is generally how things are with science. First papers are written for scientists and then books for them. After that popular science magazines starts to write articles about them and it takes some more time before it reaches more general books. Eventually it might show up in text books for schools but often not, schools are generally pretty bad with that stuff. Many schoolbooks still claim Columbus discovered America even though he himself never saw North America and we know for sure that the vikings were there before (not to mention that the Native Americans have been there for at least 23 000 years).
I am not sure why that is, maybe they think kids are stupid and don't need to learn any complicated truths or maybe it is the schools themselves that doesn't really work.
You can just look on Göbekli Tepe for instance. Archaeologists were super exited about it back in 1995 but it took over 15 years before the average people with some history interest even had heard about it.
No one denied the site was real back in the 90s but archaeology doesn't make the news that often so it stayed under the radar until enough were excavated so the locals could start getting tourists there. And people still haven't heard of the about 12 similar but slightly smaller sites that have been found since.
It is not a conspiracy, it is just how things work. If you are really interested in new sites and don't mind reading books and articles for archaeologists you can find out about recent discoveries.
But UA-cam is changing this with excellent sites like Stefan Milos for instance that reports on new discoveries in an easier to digest form for the average person that is interested but doesn't totally nerd out on the subject (yeah, like me).
isnt the ''butterfly'', reminiscent of the british flag, made up of 3 individual flags..?. england, ireland, wales. ?.flags..
Do these drums open? Was there any thing in them? I think the 3 holes in the top is significant. Where hung up with cords by the holes? Incense possibly. Any residue present? People who died back then were buried with in 12 to 48 hours, after death. Therefore these drums were made way before these people died. What was there purpose and significance previously?Very intriguing. I would like to know more.
It was found with 3 bodies, it's thought the three holes represent the three children. Also people weren't always buried within 24 to 48 hours, many were left out to be skinned by scavengers and the bones later collected and buried under people's homes much like in Gobekli Tepe, though the vast majority were cremated
Maybe they were urns ⚱️
They are solid. Google knows.
Here, here! I say, you're bloody right!
@@uncannyvalley2350 what's called a double burial. Many ancient cultures had such practices.
I love Tristan’s soothing, positive vibe, and the flow of this whole mini doc. Beautifully filmed, too! Everyone in this did a great job. But now my greedy mind wants to know moooore!
Museum: This object is the find of the century. It's phenomenal. It's amazing. We're all so excited. We're going to blab on and on about the surface designs and not even say what it is.
Although interesting, the video leaves some basic questions unanswered, even unasked. The object is described as a ‘drum’, but no further explanation is given. We gather, from its being referred to as a chalk drum, the material of which it is manufactured, but no information about its cultural significance, its function, the tools used to make it, where the chalk was obtained, whether the item is hollow or solid. The three holes in the top of the most recently found one are not present in the other three-why not? The holes don’t line up with the arms of the cross on the top-why are they there? Symbolism? Decoration? I’ll be interested to read something a little more detailed.
We don't know the answers to most of those questions, unfortunately.
I too was left wanting. I don't doubt that it's significant but it is in a case with thee others much like it. What sets this one apart?
That is archaeology. There are more questions than answers after a dig.
@@elenavaccaro339 I don't question the science, I question the reporting. For instance it's sad to see the usual emphasis on the objects themselves. Objects are really just shiny toys, especially gold objects. The REAL importance of artifacts is what they can tell us about the human who made them, their lives, culture and relationships to each other and their environment. It's also disappointing to see even the archaeologist who found the "drum" opine that she is disappointed to not have found any gold gew-gaws, when the composition of an object is far less important than the story it can tell about the people themselves. TBH I find gold to be the least interesting due to the fact that it happens to be the most likely to survive the ages. More interesting from a contextual standpoint would be wooden and textile (and other more perishable) evidence, which tells us more about everyday living.
Having said that this is miles beyond the usual crappy sensationalism we get here in the US.
Fascinating find. I can't imagine what finding it would feel like.
The artefacts are absolutely beautiful and it does prove that ancient people, who are often described as pretty simple or a bit thick, were actually far from simple or thick...... they were pretty clever.
It takes a lot of skill and imagination to do these stunning and intricate designs.
They had exactly the same intellect as we have.
@@robertevans8010 I think you’re right. It’s silly to think we were intellectual beasts just a few thousand years ago. But, when we discovered no developmental differences in the DNA of homo sapiens from over a hundred thousand years ago, and todays modern human, the issue should have been laid to rest.
Who thought people were dumb a few thousand years ago? That's ridiculous
A little patronising, how about our ancestors were brighter and stronger than us, every generation faults/mutations are introduced into our DNA which degrade our performance.
@@gtolose that's basically what i said. We agree on the matter yet when i say it it's patronizing?
Brilliant short video!. Thank you. The whorl patterning connects with the great circular patterns in the Boyne Valley at Knowth and New Grange and in many Neolithic sites. Migration of farmers from Northern France and Brittany brought to this "British" archipelago these symbols and patterned motifs - and then they seem to have developed their local variations between 4000 and 3000 BC. Another - chalcolithic wave of Beaker People - brought the metal working around 2400BC. Amazing!
Metal working showed up as early as 5600 years ago
Brú Na Bóinne is a wonderful location that I visited regularly when I lived there. Archaeological evidence does show the migratory pattern from northern Europe across to Shetland, Orkney, outer and inner Hebridean islands as well as mainland Scotland with those same symbols. The established belief is that the stone sites worked their way down through the British isles. Where migratory people's and animals are concerned, the Orkney Vole is well worth a wee look!
@@seancurran4354 except the earliest sites are in Brittany and Iberia, the Almendre Cromlech and the Stonehenge of Guadelperal are dated to around 6800 to 7000 years old, Bru na Boinne is 2000 years later, and the people who built all of these came from Anatolia, where they built Gobekli Tepe, the DNA corroborates this
@@uncannyvalley2350 Which is why I stated it came from mainland Europe over to Orkney etc and down. 😉
@@jacktravers5049 it makes complete sense when people that you have worked with and are Scottish archeologists tell you so. I will pass your opinion on.
It seems to have irked you by my use of British isles. I used the term as it's more commonly known as that by probably a larger number of people. I'm acutely aware of the empires twisting of the language such as the British border put in place to create a sectarian state.
As for the invasion of Ireland, I don't know enough to comment but know that they landed on the shores of Scotland and moved around.
I shared this with my granddaughter who lives in London as I thought she might find it interesting for school. I also shared it with my husband who has done a lot of programs on the history of England. The drums are beautiful and makes me wonder more about what was going on in England at that time
Thanks for posting - great video. We have a lot of Neolithic cup-and ring marked rocks here in Northumberland, to the north of your artefact: very similar to your swirls.
Yeah I bet its related to the spiral designs across the celtic world
What a wonderful find! I love to think about the drum being used by the children 5000 years ago and then it was tucked away until now, archeologists have a great job! Thank you for sharing this story, happy digging! 🥁♥️
Thanks!
Rox. Thing is, you have been misleading yourself thinking these are drums. You can understand a traffic sign, it has an explicit meaning, but you can't get your head around Neolithic ritual art.
@@Foxglove963 perhaps, I’m only human and am just commenting on what I experienced.
historical peoples travelled far more than we in the jet age realise. The sea was the superhighway, trade and ideas flowed in ways only just being re discovered.Thanks for the short video especially as many like myself who live in North scotland do not get to London easily.
Not called Sea Roads for nothing !
I always find it a bit odd when historians seem so astonished that our distant ancestors would have had contact beyond their local area. They tell us 5,000 years ago was the age of nomadic hunter/gatherers. And it's also long established that people wander and people travel ... for as long as there have been people. So why is this discovery such a marvel? Makes complete sense to me.
In the old times if you weren't farming then you would be traveling around.
You only need to look out for that bump or extra part of bone at the bottom of the back of someones skull.
This was a mutation that a very early tribe into Britain had. Nowadays you can find people on the other side of the planet with it.
No borders or paperwork back then. And humans are curious to explore and hospitable to strangers, then as now.
@@TigerLily61811 they're largely unimaginative, dogmatic and hidebound bunch who have become too dedicated to the current theoretical timeline based mainly on pottery shards and the like to really conceive of free people moving freely on a grand scale, and because they can't conceive of people doing a thing they're unable to properly process and categorize evidence of it even when it jumps up at them.
Love the camera work- the focus and time on the drums is much appreciated.
imagine how much is left buried and undiscovered
@Ben Avery I feel this. I'm bordering on the opinion of letting most of it stay in the ground until we have tech that can examine the dirt on site, for example. I'm confident we could learn so much from what is brushed aside at this point in time.
@Ben Avery This is also why I'm very much against buying and selling coins for example. The context is SO important.. and even with today's unsophisticated methods we lose so much knowledge from stolen artifacts.
@@98Zai The labs can do that already, by a tooth they can now tell where the person lived.
@@Foxglove963 You can't do it instantly in the field. With some technological advancements you could be able to sample every grain of dirt and get a 3D map of the whole excavation area, showing what kind of minerals/residue and other tiny artifacts are scattered throughout the site and where etc. It could even be possible without disturbing the ground. Do you see the possibilities?
I feel so sad about those kids. Even if they died 5000 years ago makes me feel so sad.
Yes, because how you feel is the most important thing in the universe.
Amazing! Wish I could travel over to see the exhibition
Poor babies and family. An ancient tragedy. Can you imagine losing 3 of your children, much less at once? Buried them with their toy. 💔
I grew up in a large old house on a lot of land in West Yorkshire and it had two ancient burial mounds. They had never been excavated. I used to roll down them as a kid. It’s private land so it’s possible no experts are aware they exist.
I was a young child when we sold the estate but my father told me they were barrows and he had always wanted to excavate them. I’ve seen such burial mounds since and that’s definitely what they were. If someone from the museum contacts me I’ll tell you the name of the estate. Perhaps there are things to be found.
These objects are wonderful and the circle designs look like aboriginal art. Amazing how different cultures create similar designs.
The fact they are only buried with children perhaps mean they are just toys. Do primitive cultures have toys? Makes you think about what things they created that are long gone.
you should contact the museum
and this is how ancient culture is destroyed and lost forever , these mounds where never your fathers or yours or anyone ones , they belong to the people of this planet ,
how dare you , in your greedy simple mind ,
@@GkPhotographic - Firstly, this was back in the 1960s and I never suggested my father would dig them up himself. If he had wanted to do that he would have just done it as in those days as it was on his land it was his property. I used the term "excavate" as I meant he wanted to arrange a professional dig with experts at his own expense which is how it was done back then.
I "rolled down them" when I was 5 years old and my father told me not to play on them and explained their significance. They were left completely undisturbed as my father understood their historical importance. In those days some of these were simply ploughed away by farmers ours were walled in next to the tennis courts.
We sold the estate when I was only 7 years old but they fired my imagination and along with my father's love of history helped create a lifelong fascination with ancient history that has taken me to literally thousands of archaeological sites around the world in the 50 years since.
I'd never dream of disturbing them myself which is why I won't even say where they are which is why I wrote, "If someone from the museum contacts me I’ll tell you the name of the estate."
So Gary "how dare I" what?
And why exactly do I have a "greedy simply mind?"
I am none of the things you accuse me of and you had no evidence to accuse me of those things.
You however are 100% an ignorant, rude troll based on your behaviour towards me. You have a lot of growing up to do. Just because we are not facing to face you are still posting your ignorant nasty remarks to a human being. One that is retired and lives alone and doesn't need a nasty little troll sending them abusive nasty messages.
My guess is that you are unemployed as you posted this at 11am on a Friday and so you spend your time insulting strangers on social media to get a sadistic kick instead of getting a job and dealing with real people in the real world. You find that insulting others makes you feel important and give you the power you lack in real life. There have always been people like you but at least they had to have the courage to do it to a man's face. The internet has just allowed cowards to insult people anonymously online without ramifications or care for other human beings' feelings.
Another thing my father taught me is to live by the golden rule: “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”
Treat others as you wish to be treated. A very simple philosophy that if followed would make the world a much better place. I hope you become a better human being.
If you ever get to The States you should visit The Great Serpent Mound in Ohio. There were so many mounds destroyed when settling early America. Once land was surveyed it could be bought and most new owners just saw them as a pike if good dirt.
@@AnyoneCanSee iv seen what your tribes land ownership does , this mound was more then likely made by the pre Christian Neolithic tribes , you've been to thousands of sites around the world you would know this , right ? , i didnt come here to insult anyone , or even call for all Irish artefact's in that so called museum to be returned to my island , the result of your tribes greed and envy over my land for more then 800 years , you people disgust me , you take all and destroy and everything you can not take , and if you destroy a mound , ie. robbing bastards .
your clan will be cursed
Has anyone sampled the chalk to find out where it was mined ? The drums may have originated from the same place.
I would think that the chalk is definitely from the local area. What they dont say in the short film is that they were found just a few miles from Starr Carr. They are also very close to the burial mounds of Sharp Howe. The earth around that location is composed of chalk.
chalk is literally everywhere in southern England
@@Glanthor88 but not of identical composition, there will be small differences.
Thanks for sharing! What an amazing find! Love from South Carolina, USA
I’m so grateful for this channel - like a lot of people I will almost certainly never get to southern England to see any of the amazing things in these museums. If it had been a TV thing I would have probably missed it - and anyway, I’ve gradually become allergic as much to British TV’s laboured pomposity as to US TV’s shouty pseudoscience approach. The internet is our chance to hear direct from individuals with the credentials and the passion, people who really know and love their stuff. Thank you!
Absolutely fascinating! Thank you so much for sharing such and incredible discovery! And thank you for speaking so clearly! Lol from Italy! 🇮🇹
Hull museum , a great place to visit, you'll see many other rather unique ancient artifacts you won't see elsewhere in the UK.
only problem is you have to go to Hull😂
@@jinz0 have you been...I just cycled through on the way to a ferry crossing to Holland and it has a nice array of Georgian and Victorian buildings and a long bridge over the Humber. Didn't get mugged by gadgie's either. There's a lot worse places believe me.
@@kc3718 I have been and it was a shithole, but yea maybe 100 years ago was decent, I remember seeing one cool big graffiti thing while I was walking to the kfc though
Were the drums intended as repositories for protective spirits in life as well as after death? Could they have been gifted to families at the birth of a child but buried with the children if they died prematurely?
The ancient equivalent of buying a Ferrari for a children (given the time and effort to make it).
id say, they had herbs, ect. maybe bits of food. why didnt they say what was found in them.. keeps you watching i suppose..
@@harrywalker5836 they are solid objects so there was nothing inside
She shared some wonderful perspective. I really appreciate it. I can look at these artifacts with a whole new set of eyes.
I take it that "drum" refers to the shape, rather than any use as a percussion instrument. Is it in one piece, and is there any hollowing of the interior, or is it solid?
It does refer to the shape. As far as I know, they are solid, carved from one piece.
Goodness, AMAZING show, and can't wait to head to the British Museum! A few questions also - What is the origin of the gold that was found? Was there any DNA analysis done on the children's bodies, and what were the findings? Chalk - 5000 years in the ground? How did it not dissolve?
DNA is very difficult to extract from such old remains, I think the gold is from much later?
It must have been in relatively dry and alkaline soil.
_"Dry"_ soil in England, @@ashmaybe9634?
At 5:14 into the video, one drum shows a motif that suggests a butterfly - central lozenge = body; the 'ram's horns' = antennae; the large triangles on either side of lozenge = the wings.
Simpler forms are seen elsewhere on the drums, made up simply of two, very flat, triangles.
These people worked gold, and soon they would build Stonehenge - a jaw-dropping feat of civil engineering; in other words, they were sophisticated - meaning that, observing butterflies, which would have been very, very abundant at the time, they would have been perfectly aware of the caterpillar/chrysalis/butterfly metamorphosis process.
Now, the objects are found in graves. Further, they have those enigmatic eyes cum eyebrows motifs, suggesting an immanent spirit. Would it be stretching speculation that those motifs, if they symbolise butterflies, might point to a belief in an afterlife? Pure speculation, of course, but speculation is part of the process of theorising, and theories are the tools that take research forward.
This was the time of 'Great Britain and the Isles'. This was a time when so few, gave so much, to so many. Nothing since compares to this 5,000 year plus legacy. This, was 'our finest hour', in my opinion.
Oh neat! Those children must have been very important and special to be buried with this object. Very interesting, thanks for sharing.
Fantastic! What a remarkable find for all Humanity. Such depths of time drawing together the ancient people’s of Ireland , Britain and Scotland.Thank you for this presentation.
Scotland's in Britain.
Cross divides the circle into 4 sections - 4 seasons, based on sunlight
The book Giants of Stonehenge looks absolutely amazing. I’m ordering it today!
Great to see this item highlighted for those of us a long way away, thanks for the consideration. I also wish some more questions had been posed, even answered, about the interior of the object, holes in the 'lid', stories of the burials.
Also see: The Lavant Neolithic Chalk Drum, Novium Museum.
Great story! Thanks for sharing. What was the purpose of the holes in the drum? Do you think it was suspended?
The drum designs are remarkably contemporary. Lovely. Modern and alive.
Or modern "artists" have no real creativity.😉
Wow!! I certainly will be heading to London to see it! Thanks for sharing!!
The circle side is one tribe and the diagonal side is another tribe, so it's a tribal marriage drum, representing the marriage of the mother and father, of the three children, is my wild guess.
Or the symbols could stand for male and female.
It sounds plausible my mori friends have tattoos like that
I have so many questions about what these objects are, and what they were for. One thing I would like to see is an attempt at recreating one. That could tell us how long it would take to make one, what kind of tools would be required to do it, and how much skill a craftsman would need. We could learn from that just how much of a luxury item these really are.
I'm also curious if, since it's associated with children, if it could be a toy, or a fancy representation of a toy. They all have the rounded bulge on top, I'm wondering if you flipped the object over, would you be able to spin it like a top? And, with all the carvings, it would be very striking if it were painted, I wonder if any traces of pigment have ever been found on them?
Or the various surfaces could be pressed into soft clay to make patterns and images?
@@noneofyourbeeswax01 Sure, maybe it's something like a royal seal?
Wow this is so cool. Thanks for this episode!!
My daughter, husband and I had the opportunity to visit Stonehenge . We were lucky because we were there on a solstice (by design) so we had access to the stones and many Druids were there.
Remarkably, I come away from this video knowing very little more about this artefact than I did before I clicked on the link-other than that the designs on its surface have cognates among contemporaneous finds, which is hardly surprising.
What was its purpose? A toy, perhaps, or something deeper, more ritualistic. Were the two holes used to allow the ingress of slim tools to abrade away the interior and then allow the resulting dust-and, later, the sound of the drum-to come out? Has anyone from the museum, a musicologist maybe, attempted to find a source of the chalk material and set about making a duplicate in order to hear sounds from 5,000 years ago?
These are just a few of the questions off the top of my head that bear asking. Anyone else?
Likewise, I don't really see the significance of this find, other than the design was (possibly) unusual for its age. Also, whenever the neolithic megaliths are mentioned, it is *always* Stonehenge, Stonehenge, Stonehenge ... blah blah blah. It's *boring* !!! Avebury is an incredible site and dwarfs the village it encompasses, Mên-an-Tol in Cornwall not massive but certainly intriguing, and the Machrie Moor (Circle 2) megaliths on the Isle of Arran are quite impressive and the Callanish Stones even more so. There's a stone circle in the North of England about the size of a tennis court inside a field the size of a football pitch (roughly). The field is covered in thistle. But inside the stone circle it is totally void of thistle. Not a sprig. Trampled or otherwise. Very strange.
The title is just clickbait. I'll be avoiding this channel going forward.
Same reason it has been "not publicly displayed".
The symbols on the artifact have huge meaning. The fact that this exists unravels the (deliberately deceptive) peer reviewed story of human history on these islands. The "expert" archaeologists and anthropologists alike must have needed a lot of time to work out how to somehow fit this find into their model.
Essentially - the spiral (according to academics) should not exist there.
It is a symbol of The Guanches. Still found amongst the Amazigh peoples of North Africa, as "The Amazigh Spiral of Life". And as far north as the Arian people of ancient Germany. As far west as the Abenaki of the east coast of North America. And as far south as The Pheonicians of Palestine and Syria.
It is of course, coincidence that they all use the same cultural symbol. That is unless you can convince people that cup and ring marks are an unique development.
It is not a toy, a drum. That is just what they have called it because of its shape. It is a grave marker identifying the deceased. Serving exactly the same purpose we have inherited through the millenia. A gravestone.
The dominoes are falling !
@@mr4nders0n Stonehenge is far from boring. It is UNIQUE. Your thoughts are boring.
Beautiful find but I have some queries.
The landscape would have been very different 5000 years ago, yet we are shown a modern map of our isles.
Do archaeologists ever talk to geologists or geographers?
We could learn so much more through collaboration of these disciplines.
We also have the technology to create copies of such finds so the original may be returned to it's rightful place.
As a lifetime
......then we should return the items to those they were meant for
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thinks this way. Hopefully like many other old ways that are seen today for what they are, the artifact will be returned to the children they were taken from and these so called archeologists will be seen for the grave robber they are. These people make me sick drawing attention to the drum and not the children.
By 5000 years ago (3000 BCE), the area would have looked much as it does today. The dates are not exact but by around 8500-7500 years ago (6500-5500 BCE) the last of Doggerland, named after Doggerbank, was probably underwater.
This is great. Stonehenge is probably my 3rd favourite henge.
This was amazing. Thank you for sharing.
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Congratulations to everyone involved in the discovery! I'm curious want they have found out about the children? Any DNA testing? How did they die? Diet? Anything? It's all fascinating!
They were ua-cam.com/video/-TcTjb9Uw34/v-deo.html
I’m no specialist but believe that DNA doesn’t withstand age well. It’s why it’s so difficult/impossible for researchers to find dinosaur DNA and only rarely retrieve continuously frozen samples containing partly intact DNA from megafauna like wooly mammoths.
Cant believe he didnt ask whats inside !Maybe they are solid but why then the holes or calling them drums?
It's a reference to the shape
I really have to get back to Britain and see the museums and galleries. Covid spoiled my plans to go see the Lowenmensch in Ulm.
So very interesting, and delicate!
The sun/wheel motif on the top is an early representation of the Celtic cross. Itself a very old symbol. I've read that it might represent the circle of iife akin to the wheel on the Indian flag.
Looking at those three holes, I can imagine them holding tallow candles for the three little corpses. A bit like a birthday cake.
Coming to the sides of the drum, there are two sides and designs, straight lines, and circles. I wonder if they are representing the world of the living and the world of the dead. They felt these things were important as they appear in such diverse places, all trying to tell the same story.
It's the seasons and the Zodiac, Celtic Gods like every other God are representations of the constellations
Tallow candles! An amazing possibility.
I believe the Celtic cross you are talking about came later with the introduction of Christianity to the British Isles. This chalk drum is from a purely Pagan time.
OR, it could all be just meaningless scribble.
@@ashmaybe9634 ackshilly the golden solar crosses date back 4400 years ago, and the cross itself dates back at least 17,000 years ago. We can also include the Swastika in this going back at least 9000 years. They're not new symbols that sprang up courtesy of Jesus and Christians, and Celts ruled the entirety of Europe to Anatolia 2400 years ago, it's also known as the cross of Baal, or cross of Jerusalem, from Tyre and the Temple of Melqart
Ah nothing like a nice accurate 3,000 year timeline
I don't know what to think, but it was very interesting, keep on keeping on, love your videos !
Thank you very much for sharing this. It’s interesting and beautiful. I learned a lot. I look forward to further posts. God Bless from Montana USA
God Bless from Great Falls
@@pathall1532 We are no longer subservient to Abrahamism.
I think that figure 8 or butterfly symbol is from the changing location of the sun observed at the same time of day over a year. It reveals itself in composite photos but the people from this time period were such keen observers of their surondings that they would have figured it out even without a camera.
Just my opinion. Great video!
I agree. That’s what I thought when I first saw it
Thank you! This small drum is so beautiful, a great find! Might I assume that it is a musical instrument? I wonder what a Late Neolithic drum made of chalk would sound like.
The word "drum" describes its shape not use. Just as the sections of carved stone that make up a Greek of Roman column are also known as "drums"
@@memikell Thanks for the information.
Tap tap . Hmm?
The holes, do they go through?
@@memikell But that's just a guess, right, I mean, after-all, I can see it being a "drum", just not your typical, skin-covered drum we think of when we hear the word drum. The three holes in the top would probably give it some resonance if you struck it with a mallet...just sayin'.
Somehow don’t think you could make a durable percussion instrument from chalk...
fantastic video and history
This is very close to us , it is amazing what is under our feet .
I wish they had explained if the 3 holes go all the way from one end to the other, or if they are shallower sockets.
If they go all the way through, I wonder if it could've been a spindle whorl weight. Stone Neolithic spindle whorls are occasionally cylindrical, but are usually smaller, and with a single axial hole. However, it is conceivable that 3 holes radial holes would allow for securing the spun fibers in a different manner that would've been useful. It _could_ even be used for *plying* 3 strands of fiber together.
Obviously this is all just conjecture.
Any ideas what the three holes in the top were for? Are they deep or just for decoration? Stars perhaps..
Fantastic. What a find!
Beautiful - and great to see the context, but how was it made, what tools, how long it might have taken, was the stone local? I suppose I need a trip to the BM!
'Sort of, twirly motifs'. Erm, they're concentric circles....
Are the Chalk Drums hollow? Is it fired? Like pottery? They are lovely! This discovery has now been heard of on a little island in Lake Michigan, Wisconsin USA (: exciting! Cheers to your diligence & JOY! Thank you! More info on the drums material, chalk yes but it looks like coils may have been attached? Was it all carved? Whatever the case, thank you! GREAT CHANNEL!
And now, also, in Madison, WI, USA.
Chalk is a form of limestone. If you fire it like pottery you drive off its water element and are left with quicklime. -good for making mortar but not easy to carve!!!
The hollow question seems obvious, right? Was there something inside? Some kind of potion?
Kate Kaniff. yes, of course they have plugs for their pressure cooker.
Magnificent
Thank you.
Detailed explanation in the video ⬇️⬇️
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Highly informative and interesting. Thank you. My own personal guess would be, the the object in question
(the "drum"), might have been a toy of some kind that the children enjoyed? With the three holes on the top, perhaps it was a kind of "rattle" that made a pleasant sound?
I think it was a choking hazzard and that's how they died.
Pleasant sound? It probably drove parents nuts with its incessant rattling until they caved their heads in with it
@@SoulDelSol Charming reply!
@@SoulDelSol I know it sounds funny, your reply. But, Child abuse is wrong.
There's a rattle in your brain? The "drums" are SOLID.
Amazing that the sun symbol used by these people is the same as the symbol found in New Mexico. To me the swirls and bow tie motifs resemble symbols for infinity or the continuation ie circle, of life
Hi in my opinion, the design on top could be a view of a ring Fort from above
Its almost as if the sun appears everywhere on earth wow
Fantastic - congratulations!
People seem shocked that ancient people used to love and value their children. Thanks for posting this excellent video.
Very interesting! Did that drum have some practical use?
Steven, I’m glad I read the comments, because you asked my question for me. 😁👍 They’re called drums 🤔 why not cylinders? What are the holes for? Are these ‘drums’ hollowed out?🤷♂️
yea they obviously don't know alot 😂
@@jinz0 oh, they know a lot, but not telling us much. 😉
Do do peeped pot
Seems like only 5 have ever been found. So no good purpose for them has been theorized. As other have said, "drum" here is in reference to the shape, not the use.
One thing I was wondering at the end of this discussion about the symbols on the drums, was were their use only limited to the British Isles? As the there is no reason back then for the cultural spread to stick within modern borders, in fact every reason why it would be easier to spread by sea routes and trade, I was curious if the same symbols had been found all along the costal regions of the mainland as well. It would be nice to know what was the extent of this shared culture.
There is an entire lexicon of symbols (about 15-20) that have been found all over Europe and extending back into the Paleolithic age, basic symbols like spirals, crosses, circles with a dot in the middle, something like lightening-bolts, rectangles, squares bisected by a line down the middle, a couple stylized animal shapes, etc. I believe Gobekli Tepe shared some of the same symbological designs and, interestingly, so did the Native tribes of North and South America. There seems to be a rough continuity down through the ages and across many cultures from the Mediterranean (including Malta) Central and Southern Europe and even in the steppelands and among Ugaritic peoples.
@@jacktravers5049 Oh boy, you've managed to take this to the next level real quick. If I'm thinking of the same studies didn't they have something to do with how the human eye functions and how that relates to the hallucinatory experience and the commonalities that exist between the physical eye, the hallucinations common to psychedelic experiences and the rock-art of the Irish (Celts,) the Maltese and the cave art of Lascaux and other Southern European cave dwellers of the Palaeolithic...and...if you don't mind me throwing this in here, I've seen the same motifs repeated in Hopi and Navajo cave-paintings and/or wall-paintings as well. If there is any validity to this t(and it sounds intriguing to me.) then, yes, the very earliest cave-paintings on the continent seem to represent either the origin of these shared symbols or it could indicate a common source for them all (mainland Europe and Celtic Ireland) If it all finds it's origin in the biology of sight and the hallucinatory experience then we should and possibly have found a universally common set of symbols...wouldn't that be a trip in itself?
@@jacktravers5049 Oh, I agree about there being more to it than just pleasure seeking but the psychedelic experience would surely be viewed more as a religious experience, don't you think? Anyway, you've got me tumbling down the rabbit hole now, I've been reading up on Martin Byrne and his theories and also looking into what is now thought to be the oldest cave art on earth, the ones found in Indonesia which are thought to be 44,000 years old and feature, wouldn't you know it, human hands outlined in red ochre exactly like those found in Europe AND Australia...so, just for shits and giggles, is it possible that the common source for all these shared motifs might be an unknown antediluvian civilization like what Graham Hancock theorizes? A pre-flood civilization that survived the devastation caused by an earth-shattering event (comet strike?) that released all the water that was contained in the ice-caps thus flooding the world, destroying civilization and creating a second stone-age from which the survivors of that advanced (relatively) civilization led mankind back into the light and taught us Agriculture, stone-working, astronomy, writing, etc...I know it sounds far-fetched and I've always found it unbelievable but little-by-little I'm starting to wonder...
@@jacktravers5049 I don't know if this is relative to the DNA studies you mentioned but the same branch of Celts that, to my understanding, settled Ireland also settled the Iberian peninsula, they were the Celtiberians. one must wonder if occasional trips back and forth between family-members or war parties may not account for the Iberian DNA, just a thought...one more question: what do you think about the Picts and their history in Ireland? Who the hell were they? I'm told that they were dark and stood out from the fair haired Gaels, that they were aboriginal...you can take your time answering, if you like, I gotta lay down and get some sleep. Oh, one more thing (again) does the name Bran Mak Morn mean anything to you.
@@jacktravers5049 Wow, you know what you're talking about, (Oh, by the way: Good Morning!) don't you. I'm going to look into this a little more, can you recommend a good book or books that follow the lineage of the Irish and examines the Celt/Irish question? Also, I was fascinated by the political propaganda surrounding the origins of Irish culture and would love anything dealing with that aspect of the research, if you'd be so kind. I'm embarassed to admit this but I grew up with the novels of Robert E. Howard and in those novels he painted a grim, ancient and aboriginal picture of the Picts, describing them in a way that (in my young, impressioable mind) reminded me of the aborigine's of Australia or the American First Nations people. If you're a fiction reader I highly recommend "Bran Mac Morn", I think you would enjoy the interplay of the characters and the mythic, ancient events that form the back-drop upon which the events play themselves out. Have a great day.
Lovely watching fromBC Canada Beautiful !
So many questions I want answers to: 1. The holes? No mention but they are significant. 2. Is the stone identical in each of the drums? 3. Where did the stone come from? 4. As questioned below were they rolled on clay to make a tile. It would be interesting to see what that looked like. 5. To explain the cross shapes go to Michael Tillinger and resonance generated shapes as found in South Africa. Sadly this object has been stuck inside a glass box and that seems to be the end of it, admired but not understood. Could do better folks.
I don't know why people are surprised about the level of possible intelligence of man back then. They were born just like we are today they learn to communicate just like we do today and if anything their level of critical thinking was probably Way beyond the scope of how we use that same thought today. To think they were just idiots wandering around smacking each other in the head dragging a few women back to the cave now and then is just ignorance. I don't believe man has changed at all I believe our technology is definitely evolved but the man before that technology would have been just as likely to succeed had technologically events came in their time. And they did from rock to spear to bow to rifle.
People today are less intelligent due to the removal of survival threats. We as a species are rapidly dumbing down.
Could they have been rolled over wet soil or clay leaveing an impression. Possiblely, rolled over dough to make decorative cakes 🎂
I thought similarly, only more likely used for ink rollers for decorating
cloth or leather and the top cross is an index for repeating the pattern.
The design in chalk could have been etched with vinegar using beeswax
To protect the raised areas,
Yes, good thinking. Also, possibly, since the pattern surface was wet with ink/dye, or even maybe 🔥hot (branding) the pattern, so as may answer, why the three holes ? For turning the chalk drum..using a stick, .for maybe also, it could been hot 🔥to the touch, or maybe wet with ?.some thing.. the cross for indexing? # could be, yet the precious children ? WAS ❤ it the pattern on their clothing 🤔 👍good thinking, thanks Bob
the ✝️ cross on top also, could very well be for a printing surface too, wet with In k/dye . 3 holes are equally spaced for ease and balance of turning..
5 thousand year old, well dressed children. One of a kind clothing, adorning the children, buried with the stamp used only for their identity, for their clothes, Unique !! Brilliant Bob...
@@chrisstanley2538 My guess for the 3 holes were to join it to 2 end disks
with small protruding central pegs to give a smaller axil of rotation.
Love that, it was pretty damn good, thanks
Really interesting. On Fylingdales Moor in East Yorkshire there is one carved stone with a similar design to the angular carvings on the drum. I have come across the possibility of prehistoric trading routes with Ireland reaching the East coast. The suggested route in the presentation via the North of Scotland also makes sense as the balance of power moved south from Callanish to Stone Henge. (One theory being that certain important stars failed to appear in the far north due to the precession of the equinoxes.)
While I find the drum to be a beautiful object and definitely of significance due to the age and obvious care in decoration, I am quite perplexed by the intense interest in those exceedingly simple designs... these are shapes that can be easily seen by placing several sticks on the ground and very easy decorations. I am more "impressed with the lovely series of circles, but quite disappointed that they spent so much time on the decorations and left out information about the "drum". I even hesitate to call it a drum as it seems to be more of a cylinder with holes than some kind of "playable object" for producing sound. I realize that they may be using the term "drum" to refer to its overall shape. But I would have taken a LOT more interest in how they think it was made, or what it was used for. I also feel that they may be placing far more significance in the "commonality" of the simple shapes for decoration... like the "figure 8" they kept talking about with such interest. There was no further explanation as to "significance" other than they found the same shapes in different places... I can point to that same shape from other locations around the world from similar time periods... does that mean that there was "travel" and "cultural exchange" occurring between those locations as well?
I found a lot more interest in a funnel shape with many holes on the sides... for many years it was thought to be some kind of "cheese press" until someone noted a curious phenomenon when it was placed over burning plant matter on an accompanying plate and an intense flame shot out from the top... now THAT had some serious historical significance as a tool that was not expected until centuries later.
I agree. They speak as though simple geometric designs from 5000 years ago are in the same realm of significance as something like Göbekli Tepe, twice as old, huge, and with far more sophisticated artwork. I never did find out what makes this "The Prehistoric Find Of The Century", other than the fact that giving it such a title is good clickbait.
I totally agree.
1) it isn't even the first of its kind found.
2) we already know that there were europe-wide cultural/artistic traditions from the venus figurines and stonehenge shows there was long distance communication/contact.
So there is nothing new or groundbreaking about this object. It just confirms what we already know.
@@ChildovGhad These are not mere decorations, but deeply meaningful symbolism.
Seventeen minutes and I'm Non the wiser really. I feel that taking so much time to tell us so little is disappointing. No clue as to the significance or purpose of the object. Even an educated guess would have been better than nothing. I would hope that were I to make a documentary about a specific object that it would be more informative than simply saying, ' we found this, isn't it pretty?'
Excellent. Cannot beat it.
Very interesting - Thank you
The object is referred to as a drum. Does that mean it was beaten? To make sound with music?
No it's some sort of storage vessel most likely. I would have thought being made from chalk it would be good for absorbing moisture, so keeping the contents nice and dry
They are solid
@@mayfieldca Oh you're right. And by the word 'drum' they seem to be reffering to a music drum, though clearly you won't get much noise out of banging that chalk drum. Seems like it's some sort of 'death stone' with maybe information on it that we don't yet understand, with the three holes on the top possibly relating to the three children buried with it
Being made of chalk I doubt it's going to make much sound if played like a drum. Seems to be more a representation of a drum and not an actual working drum.
A cylinder shape like that is called a drum (shape)
Surprising lack of information in this video. For one, there is little about the actual "drum"; most information relates to location of the find. Was it made of stone, and if so, what kind? Is the material local or did it come from outside the U.K.? It would also be nice if there was some interpretation about the patterns on the drums--it's ok for this to be general, but I have seen far more Interpretative information on pottery shards found in the Southwest U.S. where there was zero information outside of the actual shards.
Exactly!! Over 16 minutes of fluff without solid information relating to what you mentioned. Unbelievable!!
Absolutely fascinating.......keep up the fantastic work HH, you have a brilliant channel so I pay to watch your content and I've never been disappointed.....ever!!
What is also interesting is that designs on those little drums do resemble some of the crop circle designs we see in the UK. This fascinating, and I wonder if they have looked into that aspect?
Ummm - you do know that 'crop' circles were Faked by Pranksters ?
You DO know that ??????
The farmers are bribed and paid to allow their crop to be flattened by charlatans using a plank and rope.
I'm always a bit conflicted with grave robbing...
A drum? So they hit it with sticks to make sound? I watched this whole vid and I still don’t know what this thing is. Very poor description and shoddy camera work that never showed the bottom or the top of the other “drums”.
It’s chalk? So is it carved or is it made like a clay pot? Is it hollow? Is it actually a vessel or solid? I’m guessing it is what humans know as pottery.
I’m going to use my own theory as it is usually more accurate than a scholarly theory. I think this thing is a ancient sippy cup for children. The circles and so called “ face” are actually woman’s breasts and are there to comfort the child into drinking. The three holes are for three children, each having their own hole. The design helps identify an individuals hole.
But what ever. I can hardly make sense of the object through this sad production. I feel I know less than before I watched this😳 maybe it’s an oil lamp?
Well, you do know all the things drum can mean, right? One among them is a solid cylinder, wich this is. And guess what, it is made from chalk, a soft, white rock. All pretty obvious from this video. So you are even wrong with what the most basic guesses you take here (why you would even need to guess when there is clear information in the video is beyond me) and the rest is not based on anything even remotely factual, so a complete shot in the dark, wich is not usually how historians and archaeologist like to conduct their interpretations of found objects, hence why not much about the actual meaning is said here, as there is nothing to base such claims on. But you do you captain "usually more accurate than scholarly theory".
yea they talked alot but they don't know anything 😂 that woman is not an expert
@@jinz0 ...unlike an obvious scholar like you
Exactly my thoughts...
@@Hallands. let’s face it. They don’t want to tell you about it or you won’t pay to see it yourselves 😊
Totally fascinating.
I am fascinated by the Sun Circles on the sheets of gold plate. That cross ringed by a circle appeared MUCH later in Irish Art. My suggestion is that the symbol must have been seen on old carvings that survived on and were adopted by later peoples. A similar example is a modern foyer filled with Graeco-Roman statues, we modern people put those statues there because we know of earlier styles of art from 2000 years earlier.