What You Need To Know Before You Buy A 2023 Subaru Solterra EV
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2024
- Here are the top things to know (good and bad) before you decide to order Subaru's first EV in America.
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I am happy that I will buy a fully loaded Subaru Solterra.
Alex, one other thing that prospects should know that you didn’t mention is the very limited allocation for the US in the first year of production. It’s going to be hard for buyers to get their hands on a Solterra for a while. Love the EV content on this channel!
I have a deposit for one but working with a dealer has been impossible with them not responding. It was easier dealing with Tesla which is not all that great either. Your right with Alex getting special treatment. With gas at $6 buying EV became more normal. The RAV4 prime would have been a good natural path before full EV.
There is very limited allocation of every EV* vehicle.
Subaru being the smallest big brand out there, this isn't a huge surprise.
5:23 that Toyota logo on the VIN 😂
Showing the dashboard and how the interior works was helpful.
This is the first video I am watching and it is great!
Great video, Alex! Keep it up! Love all the EV content!
Great job - thanks, mate.
Hrmm. Range on the lower end, DC fast charging on the slower end….better be significantly less expensive
Hi. Just landed a solterra yesterday and drove it over donner summit with 3 feet of snow. Handled well. One thing I noticed and I’m
Concerned is the heat stopped working when my range dropped under 50. Designed? Or flaw?
Coming from a RAV4 and looking to get an EV one would think this would be the EV for me, but it's not. Initially the specs were disappointing and now after this longer look at the vehicle it's still underwhelming. I think the black panels are ugly, the steering column and dash are weird, lack of glove box storage, no rear wiper, slower charging, lowish range. For me thats just way too many negatives that outweigh the ride height and low price. Not a tradeoff that's worth it imo.
I’ve had a RAV4 for the last 15 years and just bought the Solterra yesterday. The only negative for me is the planning around the slow charging. We’ll see how it goes, but so far the other negatives you’ve pointed out just don’t stand out to me at all. I got a darker color as well because I didn’t like the black panels either. All of the EV cars are rolling out with that look, so there isn’t much style choice right now.
I would love to see the full review of this Subaru Solterra and the Toyota bZ4X. As I am curious as to what the major and minor differences are
Excellent review - appreciate all of the detail. One recent review said no recline of rear seats..you clarified that they do recline. One important question - why does Uk/Euro specs with same vehicle , electric motors and battery size state 280-320 miles (450 to 515 km) of range?
looks like the EU isnt that honest like the US... i got mine a while ago, its about 7 degress celsius (european celsius) here in Norway (Stavanger city) and the range is about 220-240 km charged to 90%. not sure if the 450km are serious realistic out there in the real world.... so dont believe you really reach these 450km, calculate with less... and be happy if you make that range one day.
Do you know who manufactures the batterie pack? Panasonic? Lg?
I like it. I could see myself getting one as my next car.
do you think that 47k is for the fully loaded one, the Touring? or do you think that’ll be for the basic Premium model?
I can’t buy one in Las Vegas because they were pre sold. I went for Volkswagen ID.4 Pro AWD instead for $45,000. Thanks Alex
I am a SUbaru fan, I am considering the Soltera next after having 2 Tribeca's and 5 Outback's, all leased when new. I live in Vermont, you said "temp[eratures below 0 farenheight are not experienced in North America". we have experienced temperatures as low as 25 below zero on the mercury and we frequently will go for a week or so when it doesn't go above 0 F day or night. I also do not have a garage for my car. Are you saying I shouldn't consider this car?
Thanks for all the info Alex. I have a reservation in for the Solterra but I’m on the fence about going through with it. Since range is just whelming, price needs to be very competitive
I believe if you investigate a bit on the battery supplier you will appreciate the fact this car and Toyota BZ4X will have the most reliable batteries in the market. Also I would bet that real world range will be higher than advertise..this is a car you will drive for over 10 years no issues...I just put a deposit on this 2 days ago after withdrawing my deposit from KIA EV6...EV6 has SK innovation batteries using pouch battery technology ( possibly stolen from LG chem..read up on their current law suit), not the greatest and highly susceptible to thermal runaway..there is already video on the KIA EV6 of fire after collision, this issue was common 10-12 years ago not in 2022...
This car and Toyota BZ4X are the among the very few if not the only EVs that I feel comfortable leaving them in my garage overnight charging without worrying about waking up in the middle of the night to a garage or house on fire....no warranty from other car companies can repair that damage...just my personal take on EVs...
@AnalogueKid2112 I just cancelled my reservation. Worst service ever with my local dealer and the customer advocacy team member. This is all without getting pricing or seeing the car. The 220 mile range was a factor but the website & California dealer made it easy to work away. Good luck with you decision on the subaru.
The Steering wheel is on the wrong side, and what about Towing capacity?
The car looks amazing!
I like how Tesla is not even mentioned. There are Teslas and Non-Teslas EV
I don’t mind not having a front trunk, but why only a 72KWh battery? For a similar price, the MYLR gets an 80KWh battery.
I kept hearing the price should be in the high 30s or is his 45k estimate on the top type trim
Seems like Subaru and Toyota are willing to take some polarizing risks that they wouldn't dare do with their volume offerings like the Forrester or RAV4. The lack of a glovebox seemed shocking at first, but then I realized that I only use mine to store the manuals, registration, and insurance card. Still not sure what the benefit is from removing it, though. The 2-tone front fenders, the lack of a power passenger seat, the lack of turn signal repeaters on the BZ4X (at least from what I could see), the weird gauge cluster...all bother me, yet somehow I'm still thinking I might want one.
Most Toyotas and Subarus don’t offer a power passenger seat and it’s likely there are components where the glove box would be. The “engine” compartment is quite small. Maybe a hydraulic box or a pump? Turn signal repeaters are for European/Japanese market cars.
@@afcgeo882 The RAV4, Venza, Highlander -- even the 4Runner -- all have a power passenger seat in their top trims. They also have turn signal repeaters on the mirrors (on most trims), even in the U.S. market. Their omission is not a deal breaker for me, but still seems odd.
@@rtm808 The Rav4 has no power passenger seat in ANY trim, sorry. The Highlander and Venza do offer 4-way power seats, without height adjustment as an option.
@@afcgeo882 Actually, the RAV4 Limited has an 8-way power passenger seat for 2022, at least in the U.S. Highlander XLE and above have an 8-way power passenger seat for 2022. You're correct on the Venza -- 4 way power passenger seat only, no height adjustment (and for 2022, only on the Limited)
@@rtm808 From the Toyota website on the 2022 Rav4 Limited: “SofTex®-trimmed 185 seats; 8-way power-adjustable front driver's seat with lumbar support; 4-way adjustable front passenger seat with seatback pocket.”
The driver’s seat is powered. The passenger seat is not.
Looks like a respectable start for Subaru in the EV realm. How about a Solterra Wilderness ? :)
If Subaru put the infotainment from the spotters in all of their other vehicles, their number one complaint about their vehicles would be fixed, but Subaru forever no matter how slow the screen is
Thanks for the detailed review, very helpful. I'm still not convinced especially at current prices. I have ordered one of these, but the price of the car can't be over $40k I just don't see the value in a car like this for over $40k. If EVs are ever to take off, these prices have to get normal levels, otherwise why would I buy this - I'd rather get a crosstrek.
I ended up cancelling my reservation. The dealer I was assigned never bother replying. When I contacted Subaru to change dealers, I was told they cannot and to just cancel the reservation and to put in another order. The problem with that is they stopped taking reservations. If service is this bad now, I would hate to see trying to work out an issue for a first year car.
This shows the ADVANCED PARKING feature button, but on the Toyota bZ4x production model, its gone! ugh, Sadly, it looks like they took the "Advanced Parking" feature out of the production model (the top right button in the middle console is gone, and I can't find it in any of the details of the official production model paperwork). This is really too bad, because I love this parking feature in my Prius Prime.
I like the rugged capabilities of this but the range still bothers me. In my area NW PA mostly tesla chargers are available, not so much . When you get away from town there are none at all.
Right now driving a 2019 Chevy Volt
I like the last 2 minutes when they greyed out the car (reason of video) to focus on the dude talking. LOL
Thanks Alex.
Too many cheaper EVs with longer range. I had an ICE Subie and it wasn't nearly as rugged as advertised. The front stabilizer bushing went out twice and I never took the car off road. I guess if you want off road this might appeal to you though but it's not a deal at the price.
I put my name on the list first day. I will likely be the first person in the St. Louis area to purchase one.
Yikes, that cluster looks like a bedpan crossed with a booster seat 😖
😂
I own a Solterra and while going out during a heavy storm, one street had a current of about 8" of water coming down and I drove through it a about 13 MPH and several undercarriage panels got ripped off and it was not cover under the guarantee. But the worst part is that the spare parts are not available an I can be without a car for 2.5 months. Subaru is selling cars without caring for having spare parts available. Be Careful.
Actually makes me feel even better about the XC40 I just got.
your xc40 recharge is 10-15k more expensive with the same range but less capability
@@shivamarya5225 It looks like the Solterra isn't better in any sense that I care about, while I'm fine with paying more for the luxury and performance of the XC40.
@@mikeimprovius5203 why were you even looking at solterra if you just wanted a luxury interior, this is not a luxury car and wasn't going to have a luxury interior
@@shivamarya5225 I'm keeping tabs on everything that comes out. I'm a lot more curious about the upcoming Lexus RZ version of the Solterra/BZ4x, though. It should certainly offer improved performance and luxury over this Solterra sibling. But I wonder if they'll be able to improve on the range and charging speed.
I certainly hope cellular connected navigation doesn’t become the norm. There are still a lot of places with bad cell service where I really rely on SatNav. If this becomes the norm, I’ll probably buy my first Garmin…or go back to paper maps.
So far every EV is designed with Southern California in mind, while trying to force the rest of us to live with those design limitations. They don't even conceptualize vast places like the Badlands of Montana/Dakotas exist. They may as well be fairy tales to them.
@@Channel-gz9hm Yep, there are even places in California that are very much NOT SoCal and would make these EVs challenging. I was thinking this would work great in Tahoe except that there are quite a few places there that have poor cellular in the Tahoe area.
Also, my job takes me to some pretty rural areas in Cal that have bad/no cell service. Needless to say, I’ll be sticking with my company gas hog for work trips.
You probably won’t see the Solterra until next year at the earliest. This is due to the recall announced back in June. Today is September 28 and there is no remedy to repair the problem. I have it on order since February. I’m shopping for a different EV. Bottom line, the Solterra is behind the EV race. Biggest 2 problems are the low electric range and fast charging is way too long.
UGH, it also looks like they took the CAMERA rearview mirror display out of the bZ4x as well. so now two features i wanted, missing, sad day, why?!?
Pricing for the Solterra/bZ4x better be far lower than the Kia EV6/Hyundai Ioniq5. I do think the Toyota/Subaru twins do have better interior styling than the plastic fantastic interior of the ID4 but the glovebox omission is just terrible. Heard from a promotional video that the removal was for some environmental BS. As if that could have saved the penguins!
Personally think the ID.4 interior looks miles better than this, this looks way too toyota-y, in a bad way
Not a fan of the cluster
You know I would really be surprised if car manufacturers aren't ready for both solar upgrade options as well as wireless charging. These 2 things alone start making range and charge time a smaller condition of purchase.
As we all know wireless charging has different limits than a cord can- it can enable faster charging in the case of a phone if it is enabled to do so.
I am on the list for this, because honestly anyone that drives enough in their daily could use a capable vehicle. And anyone that drives enough is tired of the noise, smells and maintenance of the ICE versions.
About how manufactors can choose the 0-60 time in BEVs... it's true of any vehicle from planes to tanks to super carriers and space ships... It's called engneering... For an Gas car you can 100% change it's 0-60 time with out touching the motor... You can change the cars weight, tires, suppesion and most importantly the ECU tune and transmission like gear ratios just like a BEV... Really I would rather have a digital transmisiion with a shifter/padels so I can control the 0-60 or as most do in Gas and Battery cars.... drives modes.... Besides it's only a matter of time before someone tunes a Solterra to get all the speed it's capible of.
More details about Battery is important of EV.
Question:
Is the windshield cleared by a fan or is it wired?
Is it a conservative design to allow such a battery buffer a,d slow charge or lack of technical mastery? Tesla and Hyundai-Kia provides much smaller buffers and much higher charge rates
The battery buffer helps long-term battery health quite a bit but the limited fast-charging speed is definitely disappointing
It is definitely conservative, Ford started off this way but they decided to allow a bit more of the battery to be used. It should be noted, battery chemistry fairies from manufacturer to manufacturer so it is difficult to make apples to apples comparison’s here
@@EVBuyersGuide Indeed Audi did the same too, an OTA even allowed more range down the road, so to speak. Maybe Toyota/Subaru will do the same, hopefully! Thanks for your videos.
I don’t know why but the lack of a glove box hit me as much as the slow DC fast charging speed. I really wanted the Subaru to be great but it seems there are a lot of trade-offs.
It’s a very unusual looking vehicle. Can’t say I would want one.
What’s with those weird half wings on top of the tailgate?
It's the Master Chief's helmet look
Does solterra have eyesight camera like the ones in the forester or outback.
No it’s a Toyota system.. they did this for the 360 camera feature in the top model
@@adofoi30 doesn’t website mention eyesight cameras.
No it uses a radar based system with a single camera. Radar systems are generally better performing than camera only systems, especially in low contrast situations like fog and poor weather.
How does the AWD system in the Subaru differ from its Toyota twin??
Software only, aside from that it is the same
X-mode is exclusive to the Subaru. The Lexus and Toyota versions don't offer it.
Let's hope that Subaru dealers don't act like many Ford stealerships - marking up Maverick and Lightning.
I love that they are trading high-speed charging for longevity. I charge up overnight. Always. Just like my cellphone. I don’t want or need “fast” if it kills longevity.
It is a plus for most people. The couple times a year at most I would fast charge I'll just relax an extra 20 minutes.
I'm with you on this one too. After a few years I wouldn't be surprise if the bz4x or the soltera have a higher resale value.
Yeah same. People want EVs to be like ICE. But neglect to realize the benefit of being able to change at home if able.
Sorry but this is a scam designed to resonate with reliability-obsessed Toyota people. Tesla's long term battery degradation is pretty minimal, even on super high mile vehicles. People will absolutely hate these non competitive charging curves and resale will suffer.
@Engi_Nerd Tesla has the advantage of cylindrical batteries, you can bet Toyota will be using outdated tech as they always do (Think pouch cells that are at least 2-3 years out of date)
In Finland we get 150kw charging on these so its most likely just software
Charging, Charging, charging rate is as important or more than range…100kw 2 or 3 years ago was acceptable, Toyota and Subaru needs to be on the same level as Kia, at this price range
They really missed out on having preconditioning heat for the battery.
I really wanted to like this car. Especially with the space and utility. But that range is underwhelming for a road trip car. 🤦 Hopefully real world tests will show otherwise 🤞 Especially now with the new replaced battery in my Bolt, I'm getting about 300 miles on a good day
How was your experience replacing the Bolt battery? I've gotten multiple mailings and notices from GM that my battery is in fact ready, but the dealer keeps saying they haven't gotten my battery from GM yet. Even when GM called me to tell me it was ready, the EV Concierge called the dealer then called me back and said "Welp, it looks like there is a list the dealer goes by and you're not on it yet."
@@Necrotron it was pretty smooth. Definitely seems to depend on the dealership. Hang in there, stay on top of it. GM concierge is your best friend in this situation.
@@megaroeny thanks. Will do. Hopefully won't be too long now
There are Subaru solteras for less than 25k available from hertz. With the 4x tax credit you are looking at a solter for less that 20k.
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It's being pitched as an off road car, but you can only go around 100 miles from the place it was last fully charged (assuming no charging options at your destination). Look at a map. How many off-road destinations are 100 miles or less from a public charging station? I love EVs and want them to be successful. This one, however, is destined to fail.
My only real question is will there be a rear window wiper? I'm not a fan of omitting a rear window wiper.
What's the purpose of a rear window? The view on the rear mirror(it's really a screen) is from a camera.
@@bob39540 What if the camera gets dirty. Canadian winters have proven to me that rear window wipers are invaluable. Cameras are great for sunny locations, but for everywhere else give me a wiper.
@@Demobot1 exactly. Camera gets dirty after Rain or snow. Window wipers also helps after racing days. You can see better after a clean spray/wipe.
@@jml9550 Or they could install a rear window wiper and save a few bucks. But in all honesty after my test drive of an Ioniq 5 I'd take the window wiper.
@@Demobot1 I wouldn’t buy a SUV without the rear wiper. It helps a lot during rainy days while the car is moving. For my sedan, I could care less about rear wipes since water just shear away.
The steering wheel reminds me of the Prius’s. Not necessarily bad, but not as “cool.”
Slow DC charging isn't going to cut it long for Toyota/Subaru with longevity as an excuse. Charging speed along with range is the #1 issue when considerating an EV.
There's already long term evidence in Tesla's and others with well over 100,000 miles and lots of Supercharging with minimal degradation.
Toyota’s jumping to a solid state battery very soon, so it’s not an issue.
@@afcgeo882 Soon for Toyota means sometime this century.
@@Tokamak3.1415 😂
so its made to get dirty but no rear window wiper???
My thoughts exactly. No rear wiper is a deal killer on any vehicle for me unless it's a sedan. I'd buy an Ariya over any of the other entries just for the wiper alone.
@@FantomLightning What's the purpose of a rear window? The view on the rear mirror(it's really a screen) is from a camera.
@@bob39540 Ok, what happens when that camera gets covered with dirt then? It should have a wiper and those cameras should have a washer fluid jet as well as a jet of air to clean them off like some euro spec Nissans do. But we get screwed in NA even by Nissan on that front.
Beautiful Arizona scenery. The Solterra is all fine with good engineering, but my God, the horrendous styling. Why are the front quarter panels plastic? And what is deal with the tiny IP surrounded by plastic buttresses? Ugh. Definitely strange Design decisions. 🤔
Hate to let you know this but we hit negative 25° here in New York so I'm not sure where you're talking Sub-Zero temperatures don't happen in the United States.
After seeing your review and rethinking the details, I will be cancelling my deposit on the Solterra. The main reason is the range. My M3 SR+ is short range so I am looking for something in the 280-300 range. Living in California and recently retired, I was looking for a car to go camping (not off-roading) and the 228 will give me range anxiety. There are few charging stations near the parks 😞. Your reviews was very helpful as your knowledge on EVs are way ahead of most car salespeople. Can you negotiable a purchase price from Fremont Kia for me?
Well Alex is a journalist. He has to get special treatment from manufacturers otherwise he will refuse to review cars of that brand.
Alex was able to get his ev6 at MSRP now because of his power as a well known automotive journalist. He has all the leverage against automotive manufacturers. His powers can influence them greatly. Had he not been one, he’d be paying over sticker easily
@@J0hnS1111 Over 95% of charging is done overnight, with Level 2 chargers. They both do that just fine.
I think this car is a piece of crap, but I don't think you should let the availability of chargers near parks be the deciding factor. Both Jeep and Rivian are building a network of rural chargers in national parks. While they'll favor their customers, they'll still be public.
@@J0hnS1111 You don’t watch or read, do you? Do you know what fast charging even is? Do you know what Level 2 charging is? No, you don’t, clearly. You shouldn’t even have an ICE car.
@@J0hnS1111 Absolutely it did. You just fail reading comprehension.
Off road, and you put street tires on it?
72 kw and only 220 miles range is terrible efficiency. And the charging rate is very slow as well, ultimately the vehicle is way way behind the competition.
They need to work harder on EV packaging. The Model 3 has a short, low hood and still has large front trunk and glove box. This has a high hood and not an inch of room under hood and no glove box? C'mon.
The model 3 is a low sedan. The Y the competitor. Offers a good amount of room but is kind of bloated looking. This is also a true off-roader and the Y is not.
$45k+ for a starting price even with $7.5k tax credit (if you even get that, since it’s non-refundable) is an insane price for that. $35k starting would be acceptable. I hate to not have that ground clearance and AWD, but I’d rather get a Nissan Leaf at that point or just keep driving a gas car. I probably won’t use $12k+ worth of gas in 10 years to justify the difference between that and another Outback.
My Outback was $39,996. I got 21 mpg, and drove 15k a year. Over ten years, this is 150k miles, and 7140 gallons, at $4 a gallon, or about $28k. $12k with of gas for ten years is 6400 miles a year, or roughly 500 miles a month. You're an idiot.
I really dislike the “ minimalistic” look the industry is going. It takes away from the experience of the “cockpit” feel. We all love knobs and buttons with the screen
regardless all the cons, one pro this car has over many the others is the $7,500 tax credit..... for many who has a hard time affording a $40k+ range, the tax credit might just let them afford an EV
Subaru & Toyota are already household brands. That is not the barrier of entry into their EV. In fact, many are rejoicing they are finally getting into the platform.
For us average Northern folks, we're left with 2 key barriers preventing us from switching to EV. Long-term Winter worthiness/dependability & Affordability. Despite the negative feedback from people who cannot relate to these 2 important factors; the Solterra & BZ4X might just have nailed it!
@@samctm
I don't think this will be the boon to the Northern states you think it will. 228 miles EPA likely means a highway range under 200 miles in GOOD conditions. The heat pump will definitely minimize the cold weather range loss, but it won't eliminate it. I can't speak for its heat pump efficiency, but I would think it naive to think the heat pump will limit the loss to under 20-30 miles.
When InsideEVs and OutOfSpec did the highway range test on the AWD Ioniq 5 during the cold, they got like 226 and 197 (well, 190-something) miles against an EPA range of 254. And it too has a heat pump. If the Ioniq 5 with a heat pump and a NET battery capacity of 77 kwh could fall under 200 miles, this car with a net battery capacity closer to a Bolt is going to go much lower.
And yeah, it has a battery heater, but so too does the AWD Ioniq 5. In good conditions, it maxes around 230+ kw. When OutofSpec/InsideEVs tested it in the cold (don't remember which, they work together, so it doesn't really matter), it couldn't break 100 kw. I highly doubt this car, that maxes at 100 kw in optimal conditions, is going to get a practical DC fast charging rate in the cold, battery heater be damned.
If these guys really wanted to make a car suited for the Northern states, I don't think they would have stopped at the ground clearance, heat pump, and battery heater.
@@Necrotron how else should they satisfy a northern market with average household income that commutes only 40-50miles per day?
@@samctm
No idea. But I do know that the number of drivers actually self aware that they don't need the range is on the small end. You can point out all day how the average person doesn't drive more than that, but they'll continue to think: "nope, not me. I'm special"
@@Necrotron supposedly there doing the battery differently so the extreme weather doesn’t effect them as much
KW sounded out comes off weird, people rather prefer hear kilowatt as you wouldn't say "Cm" for centimeter or "km" for kilometer or "Lbs" for pounds in the imperial system. Please just say kilowatt.
Yay, heat pump! Boo, the rest of car!
Edit: it better not start in the $40Ks. That ground clearance and second motor don't justify it. The gross and usable battery back is closer to a Bolt or Kona EV, the fast charging is closer to Leaf Plus, the level 2 charging is actually less than a 2017 Bolt (even the '22 Bolt hits 11 kw!), etc. I get adding a motor for AWD raises the price, but rest of this car is specced to match an entry level EV from 5+ years ago. If AWD wasn't standard, I would argue this should start just a little north of a Bolt EUV because of its size. Since AWD is standard I would say the upper half of the $30s is reasonable for the base, with a loaded model coming out in the low $40Ks. But the base starting in the $40Ks? Hell no.
4-27-2022 edit: AND IT STARTS AT $45K. DEAD TO ME, SUBARU. DEAD TO ME
6.6kW for home charging is not acceptable
The interior just doesn't do it for me at all. Unless you absolutely need the ground clearance, it's a pass on this platform for me.
Great review but not a great car haha! Horribly slow DC fast charging speed and even for at home/level 2 charging the 6.6kw charger is not terribly high either. Too much black plastic on the exterior. Range should've been higher, at least over 250/275 miles.
It feels so Toyota. It needs more Subaru elements to be a true Subaru. The interior for example, is lifted straight out of a Toyota. I know they worked together on this, but the Subaru elements that make the cars what they are is missing. It's way to much like a Toyota product and not a Subaru product. The design is okay, but I think if they brought electric versions of the Outback or Crosstrek it would've been better, it would've been their own designs, and not the design influences of Toyota
So it has a good size of a battery but it uses only 80% of it, it has much slower fast charging to keep that battery from degrading over time and that's how you get 90% of the battery for the next 10 years warranty (or 240.000km in small letters :)). Leave it to Toyota to make the most conservative electric vehicle ever and take all the fun out of it. But if ever i would buy an ev it would be a Toyota.
subaru, we need an electric outback!
I never saw a new car video review before where all the cars were FILTHY.
Real classy.
Cars get dirty when tested. How clean is your car?
I'm a bit disappointed with the EV from Subaru to be honest...
Interesting to note... the TOYOTA VIN number and logo inside the door at 5:20.. heh. I know they are partnering in making these, but interesting to note that Toyota VIN number... ha ha. Sorry Subaru fans. :)
Toyota owns 20% of Subaru
Alex have you ever lived in a house with a heat pump in temps below 25°F? There is a reason why they have resistance heat as a backup. What’s with the digs against the Mach-E how about some digs against the ID4(lack of updates, non-intuitive interface) or ionic 5 and EV6 not having wireless Apple car play/Android Auto.
relax, boomer.... FFS....
@@dashmotorsports2768 no boomer here
Modern cold climate heat pumps provide ample heat at 0F. I know because I own one. Many can provide full rated BTU down to -15F. It depends upon how you spec the set up for your situation. Try to keep up. Signed “Boomer”.
@@appleiphone69 whatever. Heat pumps are the way to go. boomer
To add to what @John Apel said, the fact that there's an auxiliary PTC heater to supplement the heat pump when needed doesn't remove the benefit of having the heat pump. @appleiphone69, you seem to be saying that because the heat pump can't meet full heating needs all of the time it shouldn't be considered useful, and isn't a worthwhile addition. But think of it this way: You're going to have a compressor anyway because you need it for the air conditioning. You'd need the resistive heater anyway if you didn't have a heat pump. So adding the additional valves and controls to enable reversing the heat flow and adding cold weather range isn't even a big weight or component increase for the benefit it gives.
And to expand on the building side, like John, I also have a heat pump system. It maintains its rated output down to 5°F, 80% to -13°F, and 70% to -22°F. I do have auxiliary resistance heat fitted, but even at -13°F, I haven't needed to use it. I might not even at -22°F if it didn't last too long since building thermal mass will keep things warm for awhile. Now, below -22°F, I would, because to protect itself, the equipment I got has a thermal shut-off at that temperature, but it has been over a decade since we've had temperatures that cold here, ad they don't last long. If we only need to use the resistance heat at that frequency, we still come out ahead for using the heat pump the rest of the time instead of not having a heat pump and using resistance the whole time. Are there parts of the world that this type of system wouldn't work? Yes, but the overwhelming majority of the world's population lives in compatible temperature climate ranges. It's just a matter of properly choosing the equipment for the application. Obviously, district climate control using ground source and solar thermal with seasonal thermal storage is cheaper, quieter, and more energy efficient in some areas, and doesn't contribute to heat islanding the way air source does, but that is the sort of thing that's much easier to do with new developments and, of course, doesn't apply to cars.
Wow that's the most biased car review i have ever seen.. everything was cherry picking.
So apparently slow DC charge is Smart and carrying a battery that can't be used is also smart.
You forgot to tell that is an BYD build car
What makes you think this is a BYD built car?
This is not built by BYD
I think Subaru messed up on this one. Nothing about this car is a Subaru. People come to Subarus because that's what they are. This is just a rebadged Toyota. I feel suabru was rushing to get on the EV trend and didn't take enough time to make their own. I'd love a subaru EV but I think I'm just going to wait for a truly subaru EV
The heat pump alone moves this ahead of many of it's competitors. $47,000 vs $63,000 for a base Model Y. hhhhmmmm........ Specs aren't as bad as half you idiots make them out to be, I'll wait for the Toyota version and compare the two.
Nice Toyota, this looks exactly like a Toyota. Cloths on the dash 🤮. This can’t compete with actual competition. It even using the Toyota Safety Sense witch is so much better than eyesight junk.
Good review, as always. Lower range and slow charging is not attractive. I think Toyota/Subaru are being very conservative on overheating the battery because they are concerned about battery life. I really don’t understand why people are willing to give up so much at a higher price, other than we have all been brained washed that the air will be unbreathable in 20 to 30 years if we don’t cut CO2 emission. I don’t buy into that hype. The models being used can’t predict historical climate temperatures. Why would I trust something to predict the future? ICE is still more convenient and if the money being invested into battery technology and reducing aerodynamic friction were put into ICE cars there might be a big improvement in fuel efficiency.
No glovebox? That's a dealbreaker.
And the weird dashboard setup and driver's display.. That's a Toyota, nothing really Subaru about this car.
it's beyond...
Nope, nice try Toyota/Subaru. Interior is a bit better than the Ionic but the most important part is WAY under performing. In this day and age, if you can't charge at 200kw+, take your sorry ass home.
The Solterra is trying too hard to be 'unique.' There was no reason to delete the glovebox- that is the action of some petty accountant- but they approved a dash that looks like a booster seat? Then again, it is basically a Toyota kitbash and Toyota has made it abundantly clear they don't want to go full electric.
Hey Alex! Love your videos but I’m noticing a weird habit of taking an extra swing at the Mach-e whenever you bring it up. Like you’ll list all of the cars that the car you’re reviewing beats in a particular spec and then single out the Mach-e for an extra dig and it’s noticeable across a few of your videos. I know you recently got rid of your personal mach-e and maybe that personal experience with it is giving you extra insight? Or do you just feel the Mach-e is notable worse in these regards? It just seems a little targeted.
I assume it's probably because the Mach-E is pretty popular in this segment already, I've seen more of them than any other non-tesla crossovers in my area so far.
It’s mainly because the Ford is such a good seller that just about everyone wants to know how it compares in every way to the other EVs.
he actually OWNED the MAch E so maybe his point of reference is from familiarity and living with the car.
It has worse performance, slower charging, and less range than the competition. The switches feel better than "every other Subaru" because it isn't a Subaru. It's a Toyota with X-mode and Subaru badges. It's ugly and lower than my Forester. There is nothing about this car that would compel me to buy it over a Korean BEV. Toyota needs to give up on passenger car hydrogen and get serious about BEVs, because this simply isn't good enough.
1:00 cough cough model y
i don't really get the point of this vehicle. why buy it?
-- if someone wants something that is competent off-road then there are endless vehicles that do that - that are gas vehicles
-- perhaps someone might be attracted to the design but that gauge cluster contraption -- and no glovebox?
-- if i want a comparable vehicle then Subaru already has that in their gas lineup
-- and for Toyota, the Rav4 Prime is faster and will be an overall better vehicle and experience
why do these legacy automakers keep making also-ran, middling vehicles (notably, Bolt, and now this)
i am only interested in what the Lexus EV will do; that had better not be another "dog"
The bolt was/is a pretty good vehicle, it was just overpriced when it first released. I've talked with a few people who got theirs *new* for under $25K a little over a year ago, and it's one of the best used EVs you can buy below $25K atm.
@@CrazyWeeMonkey
I think the point of his jab at the Bolt isn't that the Bolt isn't a good value, but the fact that the Bolt is relatively unchanged from 2017, in all the areas where the market has moved on. It's affordable precisely because it's middling. Offering a new car in 2022 that does things worse than it is baffling, especially if Subaru expects to price it near an Ioniq 5.
And I say that as a former Forestor owner and current Bolt owner. I liked my Forestor and I would consider returning to Subaru if they went electric. And I love my Bolt. I got it used for a great price, and it was a good first EV. But the Bolt's weak area has always been its charging. And this surprisingly does worse despite having twice the DC fast charging max. Why on earth would I buy a Subaru EV that goes backwards in the worst aspect of my Bolt? It's counter intuitive
For someone who drives less than 3k miles a year, EVs are just not a good value for a depreciating asset. Not until they offer something with above 200mi/charge that is under $25k before the $7k tax credits. Unfortunately nothing like that exists and probably never will.
Buy used.
If you are drive 3000 mile a year why do you need an ev that has 200 mile in a full charge?
@@vincentleung985 to avoid range anxiety. Not all trips are grocery trips.
but feel free to comment negatively about them....
@teetee tee Sorry just curious since doing the math look like you are doing about 250 mile a month. Also the close thing to all that you specified would probably be base large battery Nissan Leaf or the base model Chevy bolt and both are about 25K after the tax credit not taking in account of fees although you might get it to that under with local incentives. Even then depending on how cooled it get for you might not get the 200 miles you ask for.
That's an absolutely terrible looking interior.
Teslas and Non-Teslas, 😂😂😂I like how you don’t even mention the name Tesla. It’s Ok Biden to say Tesla😂😂
$45k for that! 100kwh charging in order to preserve 90% of the battery that already only uses 90% of the battery? How bad is this Toyota boondoggle?
Etf!!Etc!!! Alex on auto!!!! 🖕
It is so obvious that Toyota does not want to sell EV that you get this crappy Rav 4. No glove
Compartment no frunk no fast charging, no specs? That is just a deterrent so you buy one of their ICE.I see them still pushing the Hybrids telling consumers, for less money or same money you can get a Rav 4 hybrid. They are not serious and they know they are extremely late to the game.
it's so obvious that you're clueless. If you're referring to 'BEV', then MAYBE you have a point. But 'EV' also includes Hybrids, so you really have no idea what you're talking about.
Do they intentionally make this an ugly EV to make people hate EV?
Yuck