What If Greece Realized the Megali Idea?
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2024
- The Megali Idea was a political concept of the unification of all Greeks living in the Balkan Peninsula, the Aegean Islands, Cyprus, and the coast of Asia Minor.
Constantinople was to become the capital, as a symbol of continuity with the Byzantine Empire, which had not existed for several centuries. The most prominent supporter of this idea was Eleftherios Venizelos.
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00:00 - Video Intro
I love how the most unrealistic part of the scenario is Greece's economy being good
Yeah I know, I should do better next time! :D
@@rewriting-history Josh didn't like this scenario :/ it was too "unrealistic" and would never happen in real life
Wait till Josh make another video and it tanks his views even more
it WOULD be better
but yh not good either
hahahaha facts
I love how you can make a scenario like ,, A country gets more land" and transform it into a world wide crisis
This is how it should be done, even if it is slightly unrealistic. The reason for that is that if Greece simply expanded, they would still be invaded in WW2 and nothing would change in world history, making the video really boring
Greece would probably be split between the commuist, royalist, and settlers. I think you should've made it like that, only when the soviet collapse does Greece unite or maybe it unites under the commuist? @rewriting-history
Amazing video! Greece being big is a wonderful idea! 🇬🇷🇹🇷
Thank you! 😃 I have another video cooking regarding Russia restoring Byzantium in 1790, so Greece is even bigger! It should be out in a couple days, no more than a week!
@@rewriting-historyYES! You’re doing Catherine the greats plan?
@@rewriting-history Let’s go!
bulgaria being bigger better bro
@@ArtIsKoolio Thrace is Bulgaria?
Greece also claimed Pontus as part of the Megali Idea. In the Eastern Black Sea coast, there were large mountainous areas still inhabited by Orthodox Greeks. The people were mostly eradicated or expelled to the USSR, together with the Armenians, as part of the Armenian genocide
This is false. Pontus Greeks were deported to Greece in 1924-26, not the USSR.
@@onatdeveci5502 no. Out of a million Pontic Greeks in Turkey, 350.000 were murdered in the genocide, and the remainder were split. Yes some of them escaped to Greece. However many others escaped to Cyprus, Syria, Egypt, Germany, America and yes, the Soviet Union. Especially there, they joined their ethnic brethren, another 500.000 Pontic Greeks that had lived in the Russian Empire. The Greek population there quickly rose to a million, and despite NKVD purges, had grown to 1.8 million after WW2. Even today there are hundreds of thousands of Greeks in former Soviet states, especially Russia and Ukraine, but also smaller communities in Armenia, Georgia, Kazakhstan (Karaganda) and Uzbekistan (Tashkent, Samarkand). There used to be many more Greeks in the Caucasus but Azerbaijan and Armenia kicked them out by effectively selling their houses and properties to rich oligarchs. Many of those people have relocated to Greece after 1991, around 350.000.
I know, but I don't see a way how the Greeks could have achieved 100% of it, so I came up with this as something partially realistic
@@rewriting-history if the Greek battalion that fought in Southern Ukraine against the Reds had instead landed in Trebizond to assist the Pontic guerilla fighters and the Armenians, it could have caused a large enough distraction to make Greece itself stronger at the negotiating table
@@georgios_5342≈120k Greeks (most likely Pontic Greeks) fled to Russia/Soviet Union in the period 1914-1926. ≈1.2M Greeks were deported to Greece from Anatolia and Eastern Thrace. ≈200k Greeks, living in İstanbul, stayed in Turkey.
Current number adds up to ≈1.5M Greeks.
According to Ottoman census of 1914, the Greek population is ≈1.5M. According to the Ottoman censuses (without accounting for newborns) at least 40k people are missing, which we can assume dead to various reasons. However there may be problems with using only Ottoman sources.
According to French sources don't he Ottoman population in 1914, the Greek population of the Empire was 1.8-1.9M; meaning there is a gap of ≈350k Greeks missing (not accounting for newborns).
If we assume the French census to be correct and the 350k gap between the census and the Greeks we know the fate of being caused by the massacres committed against them between 1914-1923, this means that there is 350k Greeks unaccounted for in the Ottoman Census "somewhere".
Let's assume that ALL the Greeks missing in the Ottoman census be from Trabzon, this would mean that the population of the Pontic Greeks would equal to ≈500k.
With all these in mind, please don't mind me asking; what source are you using to derive the Population of a million Pontic Greeks in Turkey?
Never thought a Greek alt history would be one of my favourites, I got little knowledge/haven’t look much into Greek history (I mean since 1821 independence not the byzantines), so looking at a part of Europe i know little about during the interwar period was extremely enjoyable 10/10 video ❤️🔥 can’t wait for more!😊
Glad you liked this one! You will love my next video, which is about greece forming byzantium in 1790, with Russian help!
I swear it's gonna be SO easy finding a Turkish comment that says "They wanna dream 😂" 🙄
"bro us turks we're nice to them they started genociding us we had to other option"
@@somedesertdude1308WDYM
@@Franckiahe's satire quoting what they sound like when they try to lie about war crimes, for some reason countries think it's more "modern" to lie about their past like Japan acting like they didn't massacre so many Chinese some European country's populations would have had been fully killed off if Japan did that too them
edit: spelling
They wanna dream 😂
@@anilprobably are you Turkish?
I'd love to see a modern Hellas with these borders, making the Aegean sea a 'mare nostrum' of sorts.
You'll dont see
@@michelangelomsu you will not see , sir
Another great scenario I've seen is the Guns of Lausanne. In this, Turkey defeats the Greek army in Anatolia, as in the real world, but then negotiations between them and the British break down, and the revolutionary Greek government takes back all the land in European Turkey (and Imbros and Tenedos). Since Turkey had no navy, they couldn't realistically fight back for this without British support. So a stalemate is reached, and the new Treaty of Lausanne awards all the Asian lands to Turkey, and all the European lands to Greece. So slightly more favorable terms than the Lausanne of the real world
Αυτο πηγαμε να κανουμε και οι Αγγλοι μας ειπανε αμα κανετε την παραμικρη κινηση σασ γαμησαμε
Interesting...
Better world
Unlikely, the British would have given in to the Turkish demands, Lloyd George and Churchill had no support from the conservatives although the evros army was prepared for war with kemal
@@thebalkanhistorian.3205 Um, yeah, you basically just reiterated what happened in the real timeline. Everything that didn't happen is technically "unlikely" that doesn't mean it's not an interesting scenario to visit
Yiorgos Theotokas, a Greek novelist, explained the psychological effects of the 1922 defeat as follows:
"For a brief period, they believed that the long-buried hopes of their ancestors were going to come true as the Treaty of Serves continued its happy but uncertain course. However, the awful summer of 1922 arrived far too quickly. Watching, tense with anxiety, the daily unfolding of the national tragedy and the last-ditch efforts of the Royalist Governments of Greece to salvage the situation, they did so from the hermitage of Arsenios.
Thank you for sharing, had I known this earlier, I could have included it in the video too!
From the hermitage of Arsenios?
There was a proposal from Britain to exile napoleon into India except for the island of Elba, what if napoleon was exiled to india and the local people started seeing him as their new emperor so he eventually somehow made an empire itself either in all of india subcontinent or the south part of it, this scenario would be unrealistic but i think it would still be fun
Great idea, I can think of something cool here!
yo wait this is a sick idea actually
bro cooked
One of my favorite scenarios! You're the Best man! Huge fan! Always enjoy your work🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷
Hope you will enjoy it! It's among my best ones I think!
@@rewriting-history i'm sure it Will be
@@rewriting-history do u have discord ?
@@rewriting-historyhave you considered an idea where you make a video (example:what if the polish occupation of Moscow led to a civil war) and possible history (or someone else) makes a continuation (like what if Russia joined the axis.
@@Russian.soldier.t it has a discord server in the description
While your video is informative, there are a few historical nuances that require clarification. Firstly, the depiction of Greeks having control over Istanbul in the map is inaccurate. The city was partitioned by Allied powers, with the British taking Pera and Galata, the French securing Fatih (Byzantium), and the Italians gaining control over Kadıköy and Üsküdar, all under the label of "international control." This division also extended to areas like the Dardanelles, parts of Tekirdağ, Bursa, etc.
Secondly, the characterization of the Greek army as weak and the Turkish army as strong requires reconsideration. Despite Soviet assistance, the Greek army advanced significantly, reaching as close as Polatlı. The turning point was the Battle of Dumlupınar, where confusing terrain and strategic tactics led to the swift passage of Greek defense lines, encircling half of their forces. This marked the downfall of Greek aspirations in defending Ionia.
Thirdly, the lack of details regarding the perpetrator of the burning of Smyrna deserves attention. The conflicting narratives surrounding this event make it unclear who was responsible. Questions arise, such as why would the Turks burn a city they had just captured, or why would Greeks harm their own community? The absence of concrete evidence makes it challenging to attribute the incident to a specific group, raising questions about the motives behind such actions.
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It’s pretty easy to address the third section, large swaths of Smyrna were both Armenian and Greek, not Turkish, and were actively aiding the Greek army, so, much like what they did in the East with the Greeks of Pontus and the Armenians, they burned them alive to not have to deal with them anymore as they viewed them as traitors to the Turkish state. Without the support of the Soviets, Turkey falls, as the Greek army was better armed and equipped.
I think an interesting tangent would be if Greece managed to get some more lands in Anatolia, thus making Turkey join the Axis in the second World War. Russia would struggle more, as Turkey would capture the Caucasus with the help of Azerbaijani rebels, and Moscow, Leningrad and Stalingrad would all fall, making the USSR crumble by late 1943-early 1944. Seeing this, America would speed up the development of the Nuke, and use it on Nazi Germany, on Nuremberg and the Rhur. Hitler would be shot and then Nazi Germany would be consumed by civil war. This would make for an interesting post war scenario, as America is already the only superpower, and the borders of Europe are once again redrawn
Turkey on the axis would not cause Russia to lose lmao
@@mateoa7675 turks are incompetant becuase lets just say they're "special"
Soviets wouldn't lose lol
In the scenario of Greece having a foothold in anatolia , Turkey would have surely joined the axis, also depending on the population exchange situation.
However, it was an impossible feat to attack through the caucasus at that time, plus the fact that greater greece = greater Armenia
The logistical problems in the Anatolian campaign because of the Royalist victory. The UK, France and Italy supported Venizelos and King Alexander, when Alexander died and Constantine came to power, the Italy withdrew their support and the UK and France said that as long as Venizelos is the prime minister, they'll continue supporting Greece.
Venizelos was forced to hold elections, that made Venizelos lose in the 1920 elections, that caused the rest of the Greek Allies withdraw support and either side with Turkey or stay neutral.
And King Alexander died because he was bit by a monkey, right. Had he not gotten bit by a monkey, Greece could have been victorious. This is a topic for another video I'm cooking!
@@rewriting-history He was taking his dog for a walk in the Tatoi garden, the garden had a lot of exotic animals, he lost the grip on the leash and his dog ran towards a female monkey, when Alex went to stop the fight, the male monkey that was infected with rabies saw that Alex touched his wife(the female monkey) and bite him on the arm and thigh, the Guards went to check, Alex stood up, said he was fine, and ignored Venizelos' advice to go to the doctor, not even a week later he died a painful death with Venizelos being by his side almost all day and everyday.
@@rewriting-historyso, what if king alexander was never bitten by a monkey?
could be a nice what if.
Italy, after 1913, became a dedicated enemy of Greece.
I really enjoyed this video. You made a simple “what if [insert country] got more land” scenario into a very interesting scenario. Great job buddy!
Been waiting for this one
Interesting scenario it looks to be again, can’t wait for it to be released.
I like this a lot! I found the Ottoman Empire remaining a little implausible, but it did make sense in order to have this scenario make sense.
This finna be class
Probably can’t make it to premier tho 😢
Suggestion:
What if the hashemites unified Arabia in 1919 , would they declare caliphate? What would happen to Jews and Turks , how global politics would be changed due to most likely no 9/11 attacks , or a limited war on terror , would the Persian Qajar regime fall due to probable Arab intervention?
I just find that topic really fascinating and interesting
As a fan of your channel, this is another amazing video! As an ottoman empire fan, AAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGHHHHH
As a greek i can't wait btw i have a suggestion for future video
Can't wait to see it. Btw how about a series in which empires create unions. For example an Anglo-spanish union?
Another unrealistic aspect was the fact that the Sykes-Picot agreement, in which the Middle-East was carved into British mandates [including Iraq and Palestine]), was signed during WWI. The Ottomans had no say against the British interests in those regions. In the end, only the British got what they wanted, with France and Italy gaining less land in the Middle-East and Asia Minor.
Some say that Venizelos' defeat and the return of the Germanophile Greek royalists led to Greece's isolation, as France and Italy abandoned them. In reality, there were already made secret agreements between France-Italy with the Kemalists before Venizelos' defeat, seeing Greece as a British client. Venizelos' defeat and the return of King Constantine was the "alleged" excuse to drop support to the Greek cause.
This video is one of my favourite so far ❤
Love your content 😊😊😊❤❤❤❤
Appreciate it very much, again and again! You're single handedly boosting the UA-cam algorithm by 10% on all my videos I bet! :D
We were so close 🇬🇷 Πάλι με χρόνια με καιρούς πάλι δικιά μας θα είναι ☦️
Now it's too late. You missed your chance.
Another masterpiece.
Glad you liked it! Soon I will upload many more banger content!
0:45 Major W for calling Boiko out for corumption
Kur za Boiko
Anatolia also belongs to Greece. The turks belong east of the Caspian Sea.
Anatolia did not belong to the Greeks, they spread from Crete.
no,we came and took.greeks belongs to crete and anatolia belongs to hittits
Anatolia was Anatolid.
Land belongs to only those who can keep it...was true back then...still true now.
average gr*ek
If you are gonna piss off the Turks, do it more
What if Armenia realized United Armenia after WW1? (and didnt get obliterated by the Soviets and Kemalists)
W idea
Very good video!
Thank you very much!
@@rewriting-history No problem i am your fan
90% of the Megali Idea was fulfilled. greece got Thessaloniki
, western Thrace, and all the Aegian islands.
suggestion: what if the Turkish war of independence went even better for Turkey where they possibly took more of Syria and Greek Thrace and some Agean islands and how they would've affected Turkey and Greece in ww2
I had an idea of this, but I don't see how it would make for an interesting video, as nothing too drastic would happen
@@rewriting-history How about an Ideal Extremist Far Right Greece that would seek Revanchism for what it had lost in the war and Potentially join The Axis?
have you made a video about if germany sided with russia at the collapse of the league of three emporors yet? @@rewriting-history
Sorry to break it but that was literally impossible. Turkey defeated Greece in Anatolia, but had no navy or any means to invade mainland Europe or the islands. What they got outside of Asia, they got it through skilled diplomacy and negotiations with the British.
@@georgios_5342 what if turkey had an immortal army of zombie skeletons
Do a video about what if an Assyrian state and greater Armenia was established
What if the Neapolitan Republic of 1648 survived?
Neapolitan ice cream 😋
@@CheezBoyz2009🤤
@@CheezBoyz2009bruh 💀
This scenario will be epic I can't wait to watch it!
What palestine state do you want for free
@@Triple_Alliance wdym
@@FallenOfAlbaz16 its a joke because your name is Free Palestine and it says to the joke thst you can take Palestine for free
@@FallenOfAlbaz16 your name is “free the palestinian state” but there is no palestinian state
@@Triple_AllianceThat’s why it needs to be freed lol
Super based? 😂
Love from Greece 🇬🇷
I love your videos brooo🤩! Keep working!
Glad you like them! I have 3 videos ready to be uploaded, so expect some bangers very soon!
I have a question- from which city are you from in bulgaria?
@@ВергинияТодорова-з3д Born in Varna.
Time traveler: *moves a chair*
The timeline:
I like the beginning though I think that it got quite unrealistic by the end
Dude we actually just had this idea for a video on the AHG. I guess great minds really do think alike huh!
Great video
Glad you liked it!
What if Greek Independence happened earlier and was successful as a result of Russia.
What if Greeks had sought independence in the Orlov revolt, which instead of being just a revolt, was a successful attempt at independence for the Greeks and had the same outcome of achieving independence for Attica, Peloponnese, and the Cyclades. This Greece had set up an independent government in 1770 but wasn't recognize as independent until the Treaty of Küçük Kaynarca in 1774. By the way, this would make Modern Greece older than the United States and a possible target of inspiration.
Panagiotis Benakis was made its president and the capital was situated at Athens. Eventually, interest in becoming a monarchy prevailed with Panagiotis Benakis deciding to become Prime Minister with a Russian child of the Catherine II of Russia, Aleksey Grigorievich Bobrinsky becoming King with Count Alexei Grigoryevich Orlov as Regent until the boy was of age.
A daughter of Panagiotis Benakis was married to Aleksey Grigorievich Bobrinsky (who was crowned as Alexios I of Greece). This would guarantee Greek Blood in the ruling family and making it easier for the Greeks inside of the Kingdom and in the Ottoman Empire to recognize the legitimacy of the King. it also helped that the Russians on the Greek Throne claim descent from the Byzantines.
The two factions would still emerge but they would function as political parties, one being liberal and supporting Greek nationalism, while the other favoring militarism and the position of the Orthodox Church being center to Greek life. The fact the Greek Orthodox Church is being prompted up by Russia and Russia acting as its protector and the fact the Russian King was marrying into the Greek Family of one of the fathers of Greek Independence would secure the loyalty of them both.
Nevertheless, the Greek Kingdom would support Napoleon and France when France sought an expedition/invasion into Ottoman territories in Syria and Egypt. In return, the French would assist the Greeks against the Ottomans, allowing the Greeks to acquire territories in Acre, Jaffa, Gaza, the Northern Sinai (Arish, which was renamed as Rinokoroura) and made them colonies in the French style while France would take all land to the West which it reorganized into the Protectorate of Egypt. Napoleon was so impressed with the Greeks that he given handed over Malta to them. Greeks were instrumental in helping the French against the British, but they would defect from the French when the French invaded Russia and assisted the Arabs in achieving independence in both Egypt and Palestine, which became independent with an Albanian becoming Sultan of this new state and a close ally of the Greeks against the Ottomans.
Because the Greeks were able to assist the British in acquiring the rights to build a Canal or rather continue the Canal project France had started, the British allowed the Greeks to retain their lands from the French including Malta, not just the Palestinian Coast and Northern Sinai. The British even granted the Greeks the Ionian Islands that France acquired from Venice.
Prior to France/Napoleon's defeat, in 1803, the Greeks were instrumental in helping the Souliote's achieve victory in 1803 (with some French and Russian support) allowing the independence of Epirus from the Ottoman Empire and its annexation into Greece the following year. The Thessaly Revolt in 1808 supported by Greece, Russia and France allowed Thessaly to become independent and the annexed into Greece the following year. The Greeks were also instrumental in helping the Serbs and Wallachians achieve similar achievements from the Ottomans when they had their rebellions further demoralizing the Ottoman forces.
Therefore by 1821, instead of the Greeks achieving independence which they already had done, they were seizing all lands Greece would have after the Balkan Wars in 1913, including the Dodecanese. Acquiring all of Southern Macedonia, the Eastern Aegean Islands, Grete and the Dodecanese. The treaty for this expansion was ratified in 1829 with the Treaty of Adrianople.
In 1833, a revolt Cyprus had occurred and the Greeks were instrumental in capitalizing on it to acquire the Island.
The peasant revolt in the Levant in 1834 allowed Greece to expand further into Palestine, effectively taking much of it over with the possession of Nablus, Jerusalem, Hebron and Safed. These changes were recognized the following year.
In 1841, the Greeks had successfully made an attack on Istanbul forcing the Ottomans to relinquish the City and acquire Eastern Thrace as well as Western Thrace to link the Eternal City with their core territories.
In 1854, the Greeks had successfully pushed the Ottomans out of Albania and seized it puppet state of their sphere of influence, effectively turning Greece into a Regional Power of the Mediterranean.
Likewise, in 1854, the Greeks had acquired Northern Macedonia and quickly Hellenized the Slavs in the region.
The Greeks were successful in 1858 in thwarting an Ottoman attempt to reseize lands and did so again in 1866. However, due to betrayal from Egypt, which no longer sought to be an ally of Greece, the Greeks were successful in 1869 via treaty to seize all of the Northern Nile Valley of all lands North Cairo to become a new Colony for Greece. Similarly, Greece had expanded in the Balkans by seizing Northeastern Macedonia (now part of Bulgaria) from the Ottomans.
Earlier in 1864, Greece was able to negotiate an end to British control of the Canal region of the Suez, which became a further expansion of Greek Colonialism.
Even earlier in 1860, Greece was able to beat Piedmont in securing control over Southern Italy, which they made a Protectorate in similar regard as Albania, albeit with increasing Hellenization of the Island of Sicily.
In 1878, Greece had thwarted another attempt by the Ottomans to seize land from Greece as well as an attempt the Ottomans to cause an uprising in Albania to detach the puppet from its master.
In 1881, Greece would acquire Ionia (Smyrna).
Followed by another failed attempt by the Ottomans to seize Greek lands in 1896-1897 and in 1905.
In 1912, Greece acquired the entire Aegean Coast of Anatolia in the Balkan Wars as well as acquiring Northern Thrace. Sucks to be Bulgaria.
In 1914, Greece went further acquiring the entire Pontus region or Black Sea Region of Anatolia and even turning Turkey into another one of its Puppet States. The same was true for Bulgaria.
You should make a video about turkey annexing thessaloniki and cyprus
I could, but nothing would change in history, which means a boring video
You should make a video where turks admit their genoices, but maybe that's too unrealistic@@rewriting-history
Nacionaliste turks in the two before videos: 😢
When the Greeks learned that their country's population was less than Istanbul: 😭
@@Veteran_lul what that has to do with anything. Constantinople is an amazing city and turkeys population is very big isn’t it logical? Athens has 1/3 of Greece’s entire population
I dont understand why Britain would just give up Iraq.
I bet that the Brits would still request oil rights, like they did in Persia/Iran at the time. Britain could indirectly rule most of Iraq, but giving it to the Ottoman Empire would prevent the rise of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, as the Ottomans wouldn't lose too much land.
Cuz, if the "ottoman empire" would get Iraq, Syria and Lebanon then it wouldn't have a revolution which means no Turkish republic which also means, Greece would keep their new lands and ottoman empire would still remain.
I really like this timeline. I like the Ottoman Empire but I also like Greece. I’m glad they both sorta got what they wanted.
ive got a feeling in this timeline assuming that war with the soviet union happens that 1) germany wouldnt commit its army to the entente for already mentioned reasons in the video but to stay friendly they would permit them to move across german territory making it easier for france to move its armies to poland maybe getting involved at the end of the war to get some extra territory in europe depending on which side is winning if it the entente that wins then they may secure some land from poland and the sudetenland (more likely) if its the soviets then way more land in poland restoring the old border along with the sudetenland along with the rest of czechia and luxembourg overall a more tempting offer
What if napoleon II inherited the throne of austria?
Im from Greece
5:35 There was no way for Britain to give up Mosul.Bp had already great plans in motion...
As A Byzaboo This Is A HUGE W
Based
Cool video
Appreciate it! In a following video, I will again explore Greece expanding, but this time, under the Byzantines!
The revival of the Byzantine Empire which would lead to the revival of Rome very nice
I do find it interesting how you expanded on how this idea effects the world
What if Novgorod united Russia?
day 2 of asking rewriting history to make a scenario where sablins coup succeeded
I’d like to modify this idea in one way, what if the Bolsheviks encounter far more resistance from Royalist forces in Russia and don’t have as many resources to spare to aid Ataturk, if any at all? How would that change the balance of power? What if royalist forces simply hold the line? What if the Armenians fully rebel in the east and the Arabs and Kurds in the South? How would that change the timeline? What if the Pontiac Greeks also rebel?
1:23 Actually the population in Aegean Macedonia then was overwhelmingly Bulgarian. The same thing with most of Thrace.
Много зависи от картата, която използваш. Всичко в Балканите има собствена версия и вече не знаем...
@@rewriting-history Да, имаш право, но тези неща са казани от много чужди учени изследвали балканите. Поне за санстефанска България знам че е била базирана на територии населени с етнически българи, докато егейска Тракия е била доста по-разнообразна и затова не е била включена в санстефанския мирен договор, както и заради руското желание за контрол на проливите.
It wasn't Bulgarian it was most greeks
@@unknown12367 estimates from different sources point to a Bulgarian population in the whole region of Macedonia (Vardar, Aegean and Pirin) were from 50-70%. However Salonika, Kozani and some other towns were with a more greeks than Bulgarians. As I said though most sources for the population of Macedonia give 50+ percent to Slavs (Bulgarians)
It is perfect perfect in everything. 🥺
Now, Greece being big is already cool! But all of the "side effects" ... No fascism, lots of democratic socialism, an ottoman empire surviving another day, and no Holocaust ... That's just all really epic :D
day 1 of asking rewriting history to make a scenario where sablin's coup succeeded
What if Austria Hungary was partitioned by all there neighbors in 1914
The British empire would not be happy about Greece having its old capital city back. So Greek might fall under Russia influence.
I’ve to say that the megali idea was a good concept before the exchange of Greek and Turkish people after the treaty of Lausanne, after that it would have been a moral crime to realize the concept…
Obviously. Now it's too late, Greece lost its chance.
How would this Greece be doing in today's world?
I didn't realize that Charlie Chaplin was Austrian.
Makes for a really obvious comparison to that Hitler guy with his mustache.
You should do what if Austria Hungary collapsed before ww1
How exactly would Greece acquiring more land change the outcome of the spanish and chinese civil wars?
No fascism in Italy, as I mentioned
@@rewriting-history Yeah, I heard that. Still, I see no connection, and you didn't really explain it. Italian support to the cause of the spanish nationalists (who weren't even really fascist) was inconsequential, they won because the leftist forces were disunited and because the actual professional military under the genius leadership of Franco (who, again, was not a fascist in the sense of germany, italy or japan and received barely any support from the latter two) took the side of the nationalists. The revolutionaries in Spain had absolutely no chance of winning. Or are you suggesting that socialist Italy would support the revolutionaries and thus enable them to win? That's would be pretty absurd, Italy wouldn't even remotely have the resources to do so, especially not after just fighting and civil war. The only scenario where I could see Spain turning socialist is if France lost the first world war, turned communist and then supported their southern neighbour with their vast resources and close proximity.
Perfect Greece
Would be epic it wasn´t part of the EU but a Mare Nostrum Union. Italy,Spain,Exarchate of Africa,Cyrenaica & Coptic Egypt,Greater Greece,Greater Armenia,Assyria and Israel.
As a turk,I believe this is a pingas
Assistant. What assistance. Greeks had to make sure russia france and uk would be arguing between them and they wouldn't get involved in the war like the previous did. In the side of the ottomans. They only joined at 1827. 6 years after the star. And that was only cuz the ottomans were losing and asked for help from Egypt
Can you make a scenario where american independence war failed/never happend ?
Very unrealistic but nice video
Малко наистина е нереалистично, но иначе става много скучно. Гърция пак би била нападната от Италия и Германия, нищо няма да се промени във Втората Световна Война. За това направих малко промени в Италя и Германия, че всъщност да се получи нещо интересно, иначе видеото трябваше да свърши наполовина, просто няма какво интересно да стане повече ако спазвам историческа точност.
@@rewriting-history така е, но не спирай. Видеата ти са супер, постоянно ги гледам :))
6:40 That region was inhabited by Greeks (Pontian/Pontiac/Pontic Greeks) not by Armenians...
Pontus was part of the Megali idea too why people always forget it
Why does France have Syria in this timeline at 8:13?
Probably in this scenario Spain wouldn't have a Civil War because both communism and ultranationalism would be less strong ideologies as a whole, if there is one it may be a republican uprising against King Alfonso XIII, who will be supported by most of the newly modernized army thanks to increased millitary production due to WW1
ALTERNATE HISTORY VIDEO IDEA - PLEASE READ
Alternate History of The Netherlands - The Orange Empire (1830-2024)
Following The Napoleonic wars, and the Unification of The Benenlux under the Dutch, The Timeline Diverges as Non-protestants in the empire are treated more equally and Industrialization is embraced rather than pushed away instead for old school trading; allowing not just Belgium to become the most industrialized region in the world but instead the entirety of the Benenlux.
This Change would either lead to the Belgian revolution never happening or ending in a revolutionary defeat.
This Would also lead to some cool ideas now that there is a new European Major Power, like instead of Belgium Getting the Congo It's either: Given to Sweden or Spain [because of their neutrality], Given to The Dutch as they might still be considered neutral, or The congo would be divided like the Gold coast or East africa.
With World war 1, Either The Schlieffen Plan would force The Dutch into the Entente
The Dutch Ally With The Germans since they both are heavly armed with great economies and good trade relations due to dutch rubber
Or The Dutch Would stay neutral for awhile like Italy Before Joining In
Also If this is you LionHeart Reading this, Please Don't Stop Uploading, your videos are literally amazing.
There would never be a Republican victory in Spain. While the nationalists got a lot of help from the Nazis and the Italians, they were simply far too unorganized. Also, there is no way that the Entente powers would allow Turkey or the Ottomans to keep Iraq and Syria. What could have happened is that either the Italians could have gotten involved in the war on the side of Greece in exchange for the Dodecanese Islands (or at least the island of Rhodes), allowing the Greeks to win the war, or the Ottomans could have not cooperated with the allies, making Mustafa Kemal Pasha decide not to set up a rival Turkish government until the Ottomans were losing and it would be too late. Either way, most of the Entente was too weak to help. The only other wildcard would be the Soviet Union. There is some chance of them joining the war in the the East to take the rest of Armenia.
free greek konstantinupolis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
all turkey, all balkans and all south italia(magna grecia) is greek land!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
why was it called the megali idea?
No idea actually. No pun intended :D
I think it’s called the great idea in greek
(Not sure)
It's the greek way of saying big or great idea. Μεγάλη(big or great in English) ιδέα(idea in English)
@@rewriting-history It means Big idea in Greek, for the unification of all ethnic greeks.
Mega ldea didint end just wait to reveal again
If the Russians kept word it would be.
If the west was not obsessed by defeating the byzantine empire or east roman empire it would be like this. If the British French Italians kept word in 1920 this would be Greece today
4:14 enver pasha on the mountain
Hi bro
what if Crassus conquered persia
nice greek video/j
It seems that the owner of this channel has never even passed next to a Greek, let alone has he ever bothered learning about Greek history or culture. It is unforgivable to say that the Fanariotes were patriots and devoted to the Orthodoxy for the simple reason of them being rightfully considered as Turkish collaborators against anything Greek for centuries.
Wow so it was never implemented because Greeks didnt realize it exists? Or is the title of the video misleading?
I don't understand your comment, what do you mean? The Greeks tried to implement it IRL in the Greco-Turkish war (1919-1922), but they were defeated. This time they just don't fight this war and secure a diplomatic victory.
The rebirth of the byzantine empire
8:30 LMAO 😂
Greece should have never advanced to Ankara. We had all the islands, we had Asia minor ,Cyprus and a big part of thrace. We would never have Constantinople again because the great powers wouldn't allowed it. We should be happy with what we had. The Turks wouldn't have access now to the Aegean. But different times different minds back then
Yes
Damn I didn't know the Orthodox Turks were called Greeks. Also appreciate the appearance of the God Emperor of the Bulgars Boiko Borisov.
No way bro just called the Greeks orthodox turks lmaooo.
@@rewriting-history inconceivable
Dude💀
I hope this os a joke, because studies actually show the exact opposite.
@@Porphyrios.History cry more
Why did you call the ottoman empire ridiculous?
Because it was
blessed
Do you support the idea?
I think the Greeks would just want more and the. claim all of Anatolia and then claim the middle east