World's Best Interconnect Cable Mogami cable with Amphenol connectors
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2024
- In this video 'World's Best Cable Mogami cable with Amphenol connectors' we will test the Worlds Best Cable to see if the shielding works.
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Eddie , I have Great Respect For You . Excellent Video .
Kind Regards
Thanks so much! I appreciate you!
I am not sure about being the world’s best cable, but that is the most clever trick I’ve seen to try to get people past the 30 day Amazon return window!
Thanks! It has nice connectors - and a nice cable, and it is not too expensive - but more expensive than what you need - IMHO.
@@LTVoyager the burn in is only 7 days, you still have 23 days
@Pete.across.the.street That's OK - there's no such thing - and no proof to show there is. I'd love to see one single double blind test.
@@KissAnalog there's null tests that show it. Blind tests are subjective, you would need hundreds of them to come to any conclusions
To clarify the micro volts and milivolts.... The point is with a reduction in ac noise at 60hz measured on the ground path made a monumental difference. You can doubt it but until you actually hear it, don't think what you "think" is right. That's not how things work, a hypothesis and you can think as your hypothesis it doesn't matter, but until you actually do it you cannot say it for sure doesn't matter or is bs. I wouldn't take the time to say it matters if it didn't and I have a lot better things to do than make up such a thing. I'm saying it because it blew my mind how much it mattered and feel like others should know. Most won't go to the extremes I did to reduce noise to 0.5 mV on the ground but it hands down makes an incredible difference.
Thanks for your feedback! I have also chased 60 Hz noise - and often it is due to some ground loop. This is conducted noise into a cable - and is down as low as you reduced your noise to (0.5 mV which is -66 dB).
I didn't really have a hypothesis going into this - it was an investigation. But if I had - I did a pretty good job in proving what you assumed my hypothesis was;) I will need to put this into a speaker and see if I can actually hear it;)
@@KissAnalog you probably won't hear the noise, but you should be able to tell there's a smearing of the signal or lack of smearing, in a decent properly setup system.
@@Pete.across.the.streetSmearing - favourite term uttered by one certain Danny, a business school graduate, who "discovered" mutual coupling of inductors and found it related to speaker cables. Epic, still makes me smile after all these years!
Hi Eddie, excellent video thank you
Thank you for your feedback!
Thank you! 😁 👍
Thanks so much for the feedback!
Sounds like “burn in” is a new testing opportunity. 😂
That would be a fun video - we could rant while we wait;)
It’s interesting that you did not comment on the burn in requirement apart from saying BS. I agree. As an electronics engineer working in the semiconductor industry my understanding and application of burn in is to test for infant mortality failures and reliability issues under maximum operating conditions. There is nothing in a cable that needs to be burnt in. I think that the 175 hours is required to convince the purchaser that the money spent was justified.
It's real. Take a length of copper straight off the reel and make a cable out of it. Put it in your system and run a rew measurement. Let it sit in your system, running for a week and then run rew again. Dumb thing to argue about though because after 100 hours or so the point is moot. Many manufacturers spend the money and time burning in. I doubt they would do that if there were no differences to be had.
@@Pete.across.the.streetPlease publish these data, perhaps you could also apply for a patent on a set of signals that facilitate/hasten the process? You could single handedly rattle the foundations of engineering and go down in history as the guy who turned conjecture into a canon.
@@paulb4661 ok
@@Pete.across.the.streetI find listeners can easily point out differences between amps, as long as they know which one is playing. As soon as the cover and a set of DPDT relays kicks into action however, they suddenly become considerably harder to distinguish. Once you consider bandwidth and slew rate limitations of any amp working in an NFB loop, then add to it, technically speaking, absolutely appaling performance of speakers in an imperfect room, the influence of cables becomes marginal at best. If human hearing was good enough to sense and quantify differences you speak of, you would cover your ears and run screaming out of the room, acutely hearing copious amounts of various distortions produced by any Hi-Fi system. Psychoacoustic studies(it's ascientific discipline) have long established limitations of human hearing, but it seems, these do not apply, when it comes to individuals with strong beliefs. James Randi 1million $ speaker cable challenge was not accepted. Blind test on a large group of industry related individuals, conducted under the condition of anonimity of course, by sound and vision magazine, showed none of the participants achieved a statistically significant results. Yet here you are... freezing cat6 cables.
@@paulb4661how did you find that? By reading it on asr? I belive it because I heard it, measured it, and have done null tests with high quality binaural mics and pro tools. I think most people that can't hear a difference either have a poor system, have system poorly setup, bad room, poor hearing, or have never actually listened for differences
Still loving that Measurement tool hey sir :)
Thanks! Me too Jason;)
Burn in man it's real I don't care what you measure. I've recorded my ultra high end truly world class with fresh new cables I've made and after 100 hrs and my god they do sound different. Look I absolutely didn't believe this before, but the dielectric really does change.
I have done REW before and after, there are differences, even in the frequency response. Don't know why and don't care why, but burn-in is for sure a real thing.
@@Pete.across.the.street the same thing is with cryo... You can diy your own cryo for cheap and it's mind bending good. Blew me away. Take cables put in vaccum zip bag or zip lock and get as much air out as possible. Put them in a cooler small is better. Wrap the cooler with a thick blanket... Don't skip. Pour enough 99% isopropyl alcohol to cover the cables in a bag up... Might need a rock to hold bag down if not vaccum sealed. Then buy a few blocks of dry ice locally and smash them up and put into the cooler and close the lid. Leave it for 24 hrs. Try them and be absolutely amazed. Must use 99% isopropyl no lower.
@@ClassifiedBrief I just get them pre cryoed from take five audio in canada.
@@Pete.across.the.street you can cryo and should cryo every cable. Lan, usb, xlr, rca, speaker.
@@ClassifiedBrief OK 🤡 will give it a go🥱
@3:13: Bless you!🤣🤣🤣
LOL thank you!!
175 hours is just over a week, easy to do that with a 30-day return. I homemade some cables, and when I first hooked them up the bass disappeared from my system after they "burned-in" for 24 hours or the bass was back. It was not a subtle difference. Also just bought new speakers, when I first hooked them up they were harsh and I wanted to return them. They gave me a headache. I let them play for a few days and when I went back to listen the harshness was gone, they did't given me a headache any longer and nothing else had changed.
Absolutely. Burn in usually is noticed in the mids and highs too. Classicly the highs and mids become less eat pearcing with better tone and wider sound stage. The sound originally without burn in sounds bass heavy a lot of time because the mids and highs are recessed. The bass also gets tighter and more control with burn in. 24 hrs is enough to notice a change from stock for sure... Then 100 hrs another big step... And last step but smaller at 200 then usually that's all thst changes.
Figure out how to prove what you suspect but don't display your "feelings" to the world before that.
@@kappab8304 I have REW measurements proving both. As well as no longer getting headaches. If it was still hash, I would still get them. Many manufacturers burn their items in before they ship it because then they get fewer returns.
@@Pete.across.the.street If it would be true it would be measured and showed. Never seen that been proven. BS
@@kappab8304 yeah the measurements show it for sure. But if @kappab8304 doesn't know about it, how could it be true lol.
For me cables need to look really good and be reliable. As long as they do that for a reasonable price I get them. The cables that I won’t buy are the ones that are said to be directional. I will not give money to a company that tries that BS
You don't think draining the shield wire gives you any benefit? I think it is a pretty common practice because it works and only works if you use it in the correct direction.
@@Pete.across.the.street nope. I don’t believe in that
@@philipketchum1407 well it is a thing whether you believe in it or not. If you don't put the drain end on the receiving end the noise that is picked up from the shielding goes right into the receiving end making the shielding useless.
@@Pete.across.the.street nope, I don’t agree with that. Yes I just repeated myself.
@@philipketchum1407 cool, cool cool
I have one of their cables. It was the sortest digital cable i could find. I had to laugh at the burn in. Are the 1s and 0s gonna be different. I really doubt people can here the difference in rca cables if you got it yesterday or 10 years ago. I am not gonna argue with people that believe that. Its just very unlikely. Not to say i don't like there cables.
Why would the ones and zeros be different?
@@Pete.across.the.street
It's a digital RCA cable. They wouldn't be any different. I assume they just print that burn in nonsense on every package.
@jasonk5979 No - the 1s and 0s do not care - unless the cable is very long. Short cable for any signal is almost always better. It is crazy that people sell expensive cables for digital signals in audio applications. It is actually sad that the industry is this twisted.
@@KissAnalog
It's been kinda sad for a long time. Cable companies selling customers on all sorts of nonsense. Without any data to back it up. Don't get me wrong. I like high quality cables. Looks/ durability . And i don't want it to negatively affect the sound. I just don't believe in most of the nonsense . At least Worlds best cables are for the most part reasonably priced.
@@jasonk5979 it's still copper and the noise that it picks up can still be injected into the signal path. It doesn't do anything to the 1s and 0s though. Fiber is the only way not to get any noise added.
Judging sound differences through an electrical signal is a fool's errand. But it is good to know it is built well and doesn't pick up much noise. How much for those silver cables?
Jesus 🤡 are you still going on,time to shut it now,we are all 🥱
@@johnbravo7542 take a nap, you seem cranky
I'm actually not judging sound differences. I am showing that any audio signal sent through these cables will be transparent - or at least that's what I am trying to find out.
I have 2 sets of the silver cables from Kimber Kable. I will probably want to keep one set for future testing. I'd be happy to sell the other set for half of what Kimber has listed. ;)
@@KissAnalog no cable is transparent. They will alter the signal at least a tiny bit. The "noise" on the cable won't present as actual noise on your speakers in most cases. Those millivolts slightly smear the signal affecting micro details, sound stage, separation of instruments, dynamics, blackness of background and "air". Cables can be more transparent or less transparent than other cables not totally transparent. Showing that a cable picks up less noise than the other is useful information, i don't know if it's the only thing affecting transparency though. Could be though. If you don't have a resolving system that is set up properly, a good room, or good hearing then any cable could be considered transparent enough. If you have a mid to high-end system that produces a proper sound stage, that's where you are going to hear cable differences. If you're speakers are slammed up against the wall and you don't have any room treatment cables are the last thing you should be worrying about.