A Real Life Murder Investigation in Ancient Rome DOCUMENTARY

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  • A history documentary on investigating a murder case in ancient Rome. Get Surfshark VPN at Surfshark.deals/invicta and enter promo code INVICTA for 85% off and 3 extra months for free!
    In this history documentary we continue our coverage of Law and Order in Ancient Rome by taking a look at a historical example of a murder case. The story is set in the small town of Knidos on the west coast of Anatolia in a small corner of the Roman Empire during the reign of Augustus. Knidos was usually known as a small, sleepy community until one day a dead body was found on the streets. It is identified as belonging to Euboulous son of Chrysippos. Found outside the house of his rival this seems like no coincidence and a murder is suspected. A mob quickly forms to seek retribution. However things quickly escalate and the Emperor of Rome even gets involved. Its a great tale and one which is worthy of its own tv show epiosode!
    A big thanks to our fans who actually put together the parody intro based on Law and Order SVU! Stay tuned for more videos on roman history and daily life in ancient rome from our How They Did It series.
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    #History
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 621

  • @InvictaHistory
    @InvictaHistory  3 роки тому +223

    Here is the actual letter written by Emperor Augustus to the town of Knidos in 6 BC. www.yorku.ca/pswarney/Texts/augustus-knidos.htm

    • @mrbones7331
      @mrbones7331 3 роки тому +3

      gracias

    • @andreitabacaru8378
      @andreitabacaru8378 3 роки тому +2

      What happend at the beginnig with your microphone?

    • @thehobbyguy7089
      @thehobbyguy7089 3 роки тому +7

      It's amazing that we can read the dictates of rulers and peer into human thought form 2000 years ago, not only on matters of philosophy but simple public disputes.

    • @armartin0003
      @armartin0003 3 роки тому +2

      I want to read more stuff like this from Rome. It's fascinating to see their terminology. I'd never heard of "tribunician power" before this letter, in regards to the office of Tribune. These details of language & terms are fascinating.

    • @poples5799
      @poples5799 3 роки тому

      do you know where one could find the latin text? I'd love to give that a go some day

  • @amadeusamwater
    @amadeusamwater 3 роки тому +1493

    In ancient Rome, testimony from slaves was not admissible in court unless torture was used. If a slave was willing to talk, sometimes torture consisted of hitting them a couple of times with a whip or twisting an arm, just so the letter of the law was observed.

    • @trla6505
      @trla6505 3 роки тому +337

      Slap slap slap you are torture now

    • @princeimrahil6557
      @princeimrahil6557 3 роки тому +106

      Ah yes, *toorter*

    • @sztallone415
      @sztallone415 3 роки тому +146

      @@princeimrahil6557 without toorter, no stonks, with toorter, many stonks - Ancient Roman proverb

    • @jamesmcpherson8599
      @jamesmcpherson8599 3 роки тому +20

      Are there any records of this "light torture"?

    • @amadeusamwater
      @amadeusamwater 3 роки тому +54

      I.ve seen it mentioned several times although I don't recall the sources. Slaves were valuable property, so avoiding damage to them was useful. Sometimes when the court wanted to convict some noble type who might otherwise get off, it was a useful way to do it. Especially if they were a cruel master.

  • @luciusseneca2715
    @luciusseneca2715 3 роки тому +401

    Augustus sends a town a letter that says "Grow up and act right." Town puts it on a plaque.

  • @fishnujish1511
    @fishnujish1511 3 роки тому +103

    I admire the way that Augustus actually cared about a small frontier town when he had an entire Empire to run. Like, imagine all the emissaries coming, like "The Gauls are invading!", "The Tiber is flooding!" and then there are two commoners just going "Teen boy been murdered. Pls send help."

    • @nocensorship8092
      @nocensorship8092 2 роки тому +16

      sure but most days mr Augustus surely was just as bored as everyone else

    • @JRGProjects
      @JRGProjects Рік тому +6

      ​@@nocensorship8092 The Pox Romana was in full swing during that time. With no enemy to fight, what else does an Emperor do but perform his law enforcement duties?

    • @Lucasp110
      @Lucasp110 9 місяців тому +5

      ​@@JRGProjectsPax, my dude. I believe the Pox Romana may be the Plague of Justinian

  • @andrebotelho8987
    @andrebotelho8987 3 роки тому +528

    I arrived so early that I got considered a suspect

    • @willtipton100
      @willtipton100 3 роки тому +11

      I arrived so late that Libius Severus is now emperor

    • @jaypea30
      @jaypea30 3 роки тому +8

      I would make the joke that I arrived so late that Germany Unified but I'd have to wait a decade to make it

    • @Rosson311
      @Rosson311 3 роки тому +2

      I arrived so late that I had to empty the chamber pot of Constantine.

    • @Njordin2010
      @Njordin2010 3 роки тому

      @@jaypea30 why a decade. some people including myself are just at this very moment working towards a greater germania. for the good of all european people.

    • @janocronismo
      @janocronismo 3 роки тому

      LOL

  • @luciano9755
    @luciano9755 3 роки тому +797

    Wow, this only shows the extent to which Augustus embraced his wide range of authority in the Empire.

    • @cinnamon3578
      @cinnamon3578 3 роки тому +55

      Truly was an amazing man

    • @MrMarsh263
      @MrMarsh263 3 роки тому +1

      Did they ever say what year this happened?

    • @semprelazio8864
      @semprelazio8864 3 роки тому +6

      Wow how made up is this story ! A couple of plebs came all the way from a shit wee town to see Emperor Caesar 🤚 Augustus 🦅 about some boy who "fell" off his balcony ?

    • @MrMarsh263
      @MrMarsh263 3 роки тому +91

      @@semprelazio8864 Who fell off the balcony? You totally didn't pay attention. the poop bucket fell out of the slaves hands and cracked the poop covered kids skull.

    • @semprelazio8864
      @semprelazio8864 3 роки тому +5

      @@MrMarsh263 he fell ! It WAS an accident ok !
      🔪

  • @Zaeyrus
    @Zaeyrus 3 роки тому +158

    2-3 weeks one way, 1 month of waiting in Rome, 2-3 weeks back, 2 weeks of investigation, 2-3 weeks journey back, 1 (cca.) week for a verdict to be made, 2-3 weeks for the ruling of the emperor to reach it's destination = 17 weeks or 119 days. Wow! Ancient Romes justice is lightning speed compared to modern day's Croatian courts (Croatian over here :D )! Awesome video, like always!!

    • @samhouston1979
      @samhouston1979 3 роки тому +3

      Luka Uroda birthplace of Emperor Diocletian

    • @xgh1000
      @xgh1000 3 роки тому +2

      @@samhouston1979 Croatia isn't a place. It's a whole ass country.

    • @xgh1000
      @xgh1000 3 роки тому +2

      @some boby Za stvari da (tipa jelo, jer retko možeš sa sigurnošću da kažeš odakle je tačno poteklo), za osobe ne baš (osoba se uglavnom rodi na jednom mestu, lol). Ali više mi je ličilo da Sem iz Hjustona misli da je Kroejša neki zaseok u južnoj Evropi, a to mi ide na kurac.

    • @nebojsag.5871
      @nebojsag.5871 3 роки тому +3

      Pozdrav komsija, ovde kod nas u Srbiji nije nista bolje. Je mozda u Sloveniji nesto lepse?

  • @Evan-rj9xy
    @Evan-rj9xy 3 роки тому +601

    Dionysios: "The gods have given me a son! I shall name him Dionysios after myself!"
    *Some time later*: "Another son! I shall also name him Dionysios so that my name will endure, just in case my firstborn dies young."
    *Both sons survive into adulthood* "Ah... well... That's gonna get confusing. Good luck with that."

    • @alexandrub8786
      @alexandrub8786 3 роки тому +34

      Just call them Primus(first) pr Secundus(second) or α and β.

    • @natehammar7353
      @natehammar7353 3 роки тому +55

      Or “the Elder” and “the Younger”. It was actually a very common thing, especially with girls.

    • @paweandonisgawralidisdobrz2522
      @paweandonisgawralidisdobrz2522 3 роки тому +21

      I bet their grandfather was also dionysios

    • @alexandrub8786
      @alexandrub8786 3 роки тому +16

      @@paweandonisgawralidisdobrz2522 that is not that strange. I am the 5th or 6th continuous generation with the name Alexander(in the local version)

    • @paweandonisgawralidisdobrz2522
      @paweandonisgawralidisdobrz2522 3 роки тому +6

      @@alexandrub8786 i had a line of 4 Bogdan in my family as well

  • @RexGalilae
    @RexGalilae 3 роки тому +473

    It's a boy! What do you want to name him?
    Father: Eubolos if heads, Dionysius if tails

    • @JuanManuel-ii1ov
      @JuanManuel-ii1ov 3 роки тому +67

      (Flings the newborn in the air.)

    • @RexGalilae
      @RexGalilae 3 роки тому +3

      @@JuanManuel-ii1ov
      Fuck it, he got "Eubolos" anyway. Ain't that right #DionysiusArmy 😤🔥

    • @g.o.paciong3015
      @g.o.paciong3015 3 роки тому +5

      @@JuanManuel-ii1ov this is not supposed to be a joke. History and justice should be respected....
      WHY THE FUCK AM I LAUGHING SO HARD

    • @matthiasthulman4058
      @matthiasthulman4058 3 роки тому +4

      @@JuanManuel-ii1ov wonderful lol

    • @kaizokujimbei143
      @kaizokujimbei143 2 роки тому +1

      @@JuanManuel-ii1ov Lucky bastard, that Dionysius. xD

  • @Big_E_Soul_Fragment
    @Big_E_Soul_Fragment 3 роки тому +320

    CSI: Rome looks lit

    • @magivkmeister6166
      @magivkmeister6166 3 роки тому +5

      Yeah, much less boring than the others..

    • @Charok1
      @Charok1 3 роки тому +2

      as if CSI could get away with torture

    • @currahee1782
      @currahee1782 3 роки тому +2

      Replace the court room moments with a forum.

    • @johnlewis3891
      @johnlewis3891 3 роки тому +1

      Not if you're a tortured slave.

    • @Floreal78
      @Floreal78 3 роки тому +6

      Which would quickly be followed by CSI: Ostia, CSI: Massilia and CSI: Neapolis. :)

  • @TheHalflingLad
    @TheHalflingLad 3 роки тому +34

    - By the gods! This murder case is far too grave for us to handle locally. The Emperor himself must be notified!
    *Months later...*
    - The Emperor ruled that we're all dumb, and we should just knock it off.

  • @rin_etoware_2989
    @rin_etoware_2989 3 роки тому +542

    only an Augustus would be patient enough to deal with this.
    also, it is noteworthy how Augustus didn't even include a sentence to be carried out-he just laid out the facts of what truly happened to the townsfolk. most likely, he expected that the local leaders would issue the appropriate punishment.

    • @ilikedota5
      @ilikedota5 3 роки тому +78

      Maybe its an act of discretion, or maybe its more like I can't be bothered to prescribe a punishment, or maybe its more like let the stupidity of this be humiliation enough.

    • @vanivanov9571
      @vanivanov9571 3 роки тому +56

      Considering he had said it would have been better if the other boy had died instead... I don't fancy his chances, now that the town feels like fools due to his action.

    • @sundotjolangot9937
      @sundotjolangot9937 3 роки тому +42

      I suspect that it's more likely that they would have merely scorned and publicly shunned him, or maybe banished him. Another murder by lynching would have further scandalized the the town, already humiliated by Augustus' rebuke.

    • @vanivanov9571
      @vanivanov9571 3 роки тому +35

      @@sundotjolangot9937 Public lynchings weren't considered a bad thing. Roman courts were a couple of steps short of a lynch mob. Even the senators were only a couple of steps removed from a lynch mob.
      If the emperor implies it would be better if someone had died, and that he was responsible for the whole affair... I don't fancy his chances.

    • @sobrcelt
      @sobrcelt 3 роки тому +19

      I just assumed that he felt like some sort of justice had already been done; both families lost a son, just not the son who started it all. To kill that son too would unbalance the scales. Not sure if that's how Romans viewed justice, but that's how I took his statement.

  • @textbookdetox3111
    @textbookdetox3111 3 роки тому +360

    I actually think that a crime drama/ thriller mystery set in ancient greco-roman times would be an interesting concept for a show. the possibilities would be endless...I'd definitely watch if it was done well and historically accurate. Get on it Invicta!!! lol

    • @TheInsaiyan
      @TheInsaiyan 3 роки тому +8

      That would be nice

    • @alexanderchristopher6237
      @alexanderchristopher6237 3 роки тому +21

      That element has somewhat been used in the 2016 movie Risen, where a Roman tribune in Judea was interrogating people and following leads regarding the disappearance of the body of Jesus. There’s a lot of elements in the film that seems to be taken straight from a Law and Order episode.
      It was a really good Biblical drama film.

    • @RobertHeibel
      @RobertHeibel 3 роки тому +22

      Try en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Didius_Falco on audible or traditional books, a private detective working for the emperor traveling over the known roman world.

    • @sailorstarfairy1
      @sailorstarfairy1 3 роки тому +2

      I'm listening to an audible from Gary Corby called the Ionia Sanction right now, the narrator is pretty bad but so far the story is interesting.

    • @luxborealis
      @luxborealis 3 роки тому +6

      There was a Robin Hood movie written with the Sheriff as the protagonist and investigating the murders done by Robin Hood, but Hollywood did its usual and made it a generic movie.

  • @hebl47
    @hebl47 3 роки тому +56

    "OK, who's next?"
    "Dionysios son of Dionysios , Imperator."
    "Didn't we already have him yesterday?"
    "No, my Imperator. This was a different Dionysios."
    "But also son of Dionysios, right?"
    "Yes."
    "We should really come up with more names!"

  • @neutronalchemist3241
    @neutronalchemist3241 3 роки тому +211

    Emperor: "So, for a start, what's your name?"
    Dionysios1: "Dionysios, son of Dionysios."
    Emperor: "And your?"
    Dionysios2: "Dionysios, son of Dionysios."
    Emperor: "... Ok, behead them."

    • @molybdaen11
      @molybdaen11 3 роки тому +30

      "From now one, you are Otto and you are Karl!"

    • @NIKSEEN
      @NIKSEEN 3 роки тому +6

      Emperor: "Who comes before the great Emperor Augustus?"
      Dionysios1: "My name is Dionysios, sir"
      Emperor: "And you?"
      Dionysios2: "I am called Dionysios, sir"
      Emperor: "Uhm..Very well, do you come from families of renown in your village? What are your fathers' names?"
      Dionysios 1+2: "Dionysios, sir"
      Emperor: "..Is that.. is that one person?"
      Both, chuckling: "Of course not, sir"

  • @user-xb9yv2ci4c
    @user-xb9yv2ci4c 3 роки тому +171

    How many names do you want?
    Rome: No

    • @Sealdeam
      @Sealdeam 3 роки тому +5

      Those here were greek names, that part of the empire maintained their greek culture pretty much through the whole duration of the empire itself up to Byzantine times but it is true that also the roman themselves were not particularly creative in their naming conventions at least in the sense of variety, most had the same 3 or 4 names they used always and the eldest son tend to have the name of his father, it must be nightmarish to study the lifes and careers of ancient family lines that remained unbroken for several generations, imagine trying to figure out which Gaius Julius Iulus did which thing when the records are scarce and the name was used for generations over and over again.

    • @Sealdeam
      @Sealdeam 3 роки тому

      @@Thelaretus I know there were more than just 3 or 4 praonomina in total, I expressed myself incorrectly above, the selection of names was already relatiely limited and the families, or more specifically the particular branches of the big familiar clans whether gentes maiores, minor patricians or later plebian nobiles, tended to favor the same 3 or 4 names over and over again, for example the Julii used Gaius, Lucius and Sextus but I have yet to see a Marcus Julius (in late republican or early imperial times) that was conected, by blood or by adoption to that family this probably does not apply to freedmen or non-roman, non italian people that got citizenship due the sponsorship of a member of this family, I guess that among them some Marcus Julius might be easy to find. This does not mean some previously unused nomen had no way to get into a family, in early imperial times some examples like Paullus Fabius Maximus and his brother Africanus Fabius Maximus show that the families were starting to use Cognomen or Agnomen of other branches of their families (some already extinct) as proper names and there are some much earlier examples like the use of the name Faustus by Sulla for his son and the even older use of odd names like Numerius or Caeso by the Fabii family.

  • @anttitheinternetguy3213
    @anttitheinternetguy3213 3 роки тому +207

    Holy shit, now i really want to see a murder mystery/detective series set in ancient rome

    • @hreodbeorhtcheesewright4889
      @hreodbeorhtcheesewright4889 3 роки тому +13

      Try the "Falco" series by Lindsey Davies.

    • @Smallpotato1965
      @Smallpotato1965 3 роки тому +9

      try the 'Gordianus' series by Steven Saylor!

    • @lisaingham834
      @lisaingham834 3 роки тому +3

      Read Steven Saylor's books!

    • @SkywalkerExpress
      @SkywalkerExpress 3 роки тому +9

      it will be 10% scene on the village and Rome, 90% scene onboard ships during the journey .

    • @maxgrozema1093
      @maxgrozema1093 3 роки тому +4

      @Hunter D Or just let the series take place in Rome. Maybe during troubling times or during the reign of an impopular emperor so you can write in a plot with the praetorian guard.

  • @thewhiteknightman
    @thewhiteknightman 3 роки тому +124

    Random Suspect: Man, I am not Plebeian. My father was a senator...and my mother was a servant woman.
    Ice T-erentius: Well I got news for you...that means you’re Plebeian.
    *Dramatic music*

    • @rombom1wolf723
      @rombom1wolf723 3 роки тому +21

      Funny as this is, I think it should be noted that, if the suspect's father was, in fact, a senator, then the suspect in question would actually be patrician, since roman inheritance laws were strictly patrilineal, meaning that any children inherit the status of the father and not the mother.
      Though I suppose it would be different if the suspect in question was born out of wedlock...

    • @eldorados_lost_searcher
      @eldorados_lost_searcher 3 роки тому +5

      @@rombom1wolf723
      I may be wrong, but if the child was acknowledged by the patrician father or adopted into the family, then the status would legally pass onto the child.

    • @neutronalchemist3241
      @neutronalchemist3241 3 роки тому +7

      Mind that the investigator in this story was a plebeian himself. In first century BC the distinction had already became quite pointless.

    • @rombom1wolf723
      @rombom1wolf723 3 роки тому +5

      I'm sure there would have been several patricians back in Augustus' time that would have disagreed with you, but in an economic sense, you're absolutely correct.

    • @varana
      @varana 3 роки тому +8

      @@rombom1wolf723 Senators were not automatically patricians. There were lots of plebeian senators, plebeian consuls, and so on - only very few offices (usually with minor political weight) required their holder to be a patrician.
      As Neutron Alchemist said, the distinction was almost pointless at this time, except for bragging rights.

  • @dylanchouinard6141
    @dylanchouinard6141 3 роки тому +253

    “Oh I get it: so it’s like when someone drinks to much? Or takes too much poppy? Or bets the house on the chariot races?”
    -Glacies T

    • @stefanpieper3757
      @stefanpieper3757 3 роки тому +4

      Best comment. Don't think most people will get it though.

    • @lvmpenprxle7135
      @lvmpenprxle7135 3 роки тому +2

      top tier comment

    • @VxV631
      @VxV631 3 роки тому +3

      ua-cam.com/video/F1sd4CRcaE0/v-deo.html

    • @davidnotonstinnett
      @davidnotonstinnett 3 роки тому +5

      Then it slow fades to black and says “executive producer Darius Wolf”

    • @dylanchouinard6141
      @dylanchouinard6141 3 роки тому +7

      David Stinnett *Darius Lupus

  • @pinchman2946
    @pinchman2946 3 роки тому +20

    Augustus: you guys are all idoits
    Town folk: quick get the chisel GET THE CHISEL

  • @chickenusgoddus464
    @chickenusgoddus464 3 роки тому +97

    Thank you for thatlaw and order reference

    • @InvictaHistory
      @InvictaHistory  3 роки тому +29

      It was actually a requested intro from our last Law and Order episode!

    • @ilikedota5
      @ilikedota5 3 роки тому +1

      @@InvictaHistory Can you do it Phoenix Wright style next? Complete with the music? Tom169 has a bunch of the OST on his channel.

  • @dukecity7688
    @dukecity7688 3 роки тому +140

    This was great. You gotta love the skills of the investigator from Rome. First, interview all witness. Second. Torture the slaves.

    • @chipwalter4490
      @chipwalter4490 3 роки тому +14

      And wouldn't you know.. the slaves' testimony proves that their Master's household was the actually the victim in the saga. And they the slaves accidentally committed the murder. Not only that, but their rival who instigated the whole thing, the other brother, was still to face justice. All this with the reality these slaves could be further tortured or killed. Upon return to their Master if their Master found out their testimony didn't suit him in every way possible. And that same well-connected aristocrat Master would've had to pay customary bribes all-the-way-up the chain of command to have access to higher and higher officials. But yeah, great report about the astonishing truths revealed by the "investigation." I kept waiting for the caveat of skepticism from Invicta... but I guess, why ruin a good story with the obvious?

    • @Historyfan476AD
      @Historyfan476AD 3 роки тому +5

      @@chipwalter4490 Very likely though that is what happened.

    • @kaizokujimbei143
      @kaizokujimbei143 2 роки тому +3

      Elementary, my dear Dionysius and Dionysius.

    • @eugenetswong
      @eugenetswong 2 роки тому +1

      @@chipwalter4490 I was confused about the end, where Invicta didn't comment about the lack of reliability of torture.

  • @eleanorcunningham9306
    @eleanorcunningham9306 3 роки тому +52

    Not in any way to detract from the horror of it, but it was quite literally Roman law that slaves had to be tortured before giving testimony, not something Gallus did just because he was particularly cruel

    • @neutronalchemist3241
      @neutronalchemist3241 3 роки тому +25

      Moreover, since it was a legal obligation, if a slave already wanted to talk it was applied quite leniently.

    • @chipwalter4490
      @chipwalter4490 3 роки тому +6

      And wouldn't you know.. the slaves' testimony proves that their Master's household was actually the victim in the saga. And they the slaves accidentally committed the murder. Not only that, but their rival who instigated the whole thing, the other brother, was still to face justice. All this with the reality these slaves could be further tortured or killed. Upon return to their Master if their Master found out their testimony didn't suit him in every way possible. And that same well-connected aristocrat Master would've had to pay customary bribes all-the-way-up the chain of command to have access to higher and higher officials. But yeah, great report about the astonishing truths revealed by the "investigation." I kept waiting for the caveat of skepticism from Invicta... but I guess, why ruin a good story with the obvious?

    • @hraharahra
      @hraharahra 3 роки тому +2

      @@chipwalter4490 IN SHOCKING TURN OF EVENTS - If you are a slave, your life and well being depend on your masters! I wonder why people removed slavery and have constitutionally guaranteed freedoms! Also, the guilty knew what the outcome would be. They knew the emperors convoy would do that. As they denied it to anyone until his arriving.

    • @David-ud9ju
      @David-ud9ju 2 роки тому +1

      @@hraharahra Slavery was never anywhere near as bad as the bigoted way of viewing it nowadays would have you believe. Don't fall for that.l Most slaves were very well looked after and had a pretty good time of it.

    • @hraharahra
      @hraharahra 2 роки тому

      @@David-ud9ju sure, people never liked to lose their investment. Being slave still sux hard!

  • @jason4275
    @jason4275 3 роки тому +63

    *_WAIT, I just found out the Romans had Glass windows during the first century AD, how come Hollywood never put them in their're movies._*

    • @talknight2
      @talknight2 3 роки тому +49

      Same reason everyone in HBO Rome walks around with fucking leather vambraces all the time.

    • @TheMongooseOfDoom
      @TheMongooseOfDoom 3 роки тому +13

      The letter doesn't mention glass. Romans did have translucent glass windows at some point, but it would have been a new technology at the time.

    • @georgecant-stand-yeh5451
      @georgecant-stand-yeh5451 3 роки тому +6

      Not everyone could afford glass

    • @MBM1117727
      @MBM1117727 3 роки тому +6

      Don't trust a little illustration like that. They did have glass but not glass windows as far as I know.

    • @victorhaelterman
      @victorhaelterman 3 роки тому +4

      @@TheMongooseOfDoom carthage was wel known for glas making so its not that new its been around since the early republic

  • @CivilWarWeekByWeek
    @CivilWarWeekByWeek 3 роки тому +124

    Rome’s first murder cases must have been weird because of the precedent set by their first king.

    • @robertjarman3703
      @robertjarman3703 3 роки тому +18

      According to Historia Civilis, they explained that by saying the Romulus had constructed a pomerium around the foot of the hill he settled on, and Remus had violated the sacred boundary which only the gods could cross, causing a national security threat to Rome itself, ergo, Romulus was justified in killing Remus for the violation.

    • @pocarski
      @pocarski 3 роки тому +3

      @@robertjarman3703 in other words, Romulus used his second amendment rights

    • @robertjarman3703
      @robertjarman3703 3 роки тому +5

      @@pocarski Not really. Remus was technically committing a sacrilege.

  • @VentiVonOsterreich
    @VentiVonOsterreich 3 роки тому +44

    Its 11:40pm I need to sleep
    Me at 4AM:

    • @cescog4102
      @cescog4102 3 роки тому

      It's 11:40 A.M for me

    • @VentiVonOsterreich
      @VentiVonOsterreich 3 роки тому

      @@cescog4102 I live in the Philippines

    • @cescog4102
      @cescog4102 3 роки тому

      It's monday for you, while I'm stuck in sunday

    • @3John-Bishop
      @3John-Bishop 3 роки тому

      Its stress from the virus

  • @TheAmbientWarrior
    @TheAmbientWarrior 3 роки тому +10

    Father: I shall name him Euboulos
    Everyone in Knidos: That's a good idea!

  • @marcello7781
    @marcello7781 3 роки тому +91

    CSI: Rome

    • @capuchinosofia4771
      @capuchinosofia4771 3 роки тому +4

      Unironically I'd love a mini show about investigations in ancient cities, spanning through time, showing how the case would be carried through at the time

    • @keptins
      @keptins 3 роки тому +3

      More like CSI: Anatolia

  • @Vexin980
    @Vexin980 3 роки тому +80

    And here I expected it to come down to a shouting match between one Roman who wanted to blame the gauls and another who wants to blame the carthaginians.

    • @ProjectEkerTest33
      @ProjectEkerTest33 3 роки тому +14

      "Gods I hate Gauls! My Grandfather hated them to, even before they put out his eyes." -House Julii

    • @alexandrub8786
      @alexandrub8786 3 роки тому

      Considering that it was the province of Asia ir should have been the grreks(ionians or dorians) or carians

    • @LordButtersI
      @LordButtersI 3 роки тому +3

      Carthago delende est.

    • @alexandrub8786
      @alexandrub8786 3 роки тому +1

      @@LordButtersI IVDEA DELENTA EST-Hadrianus.

    • @Vexin980
      @Vexin980 3 роки тому +3

      @@alexandrub8786 Nah man, it's always the fault of the Gauls or Carthaginians. Greeks and Carians are clearly just eastern knockoffs.

  • @alexandracenuse8762
    @alexandracenuse8762 3 роки тому +18

    Something less than virtuous happens in the Roman Empire
    The Romans:We can make a moral out of this!
    Which is a great thing

  • @sandernorvag7616
    @sandernorvag7616 3 роки тому +29

    Small town with a legal dispute: Hey can you help us out?
    Roman official: *Torture the slaves*

  • @Celticelery
    @Celticelery 3 роки тому +27

    Obviously they called in Gladius P.I.

  • @woketoad2426
    @woketoad2426 3 роки тому +59

    Excellent episode, most surprising thing is it only took a month to get a correspondence with Augustus (when they got to Rome). Faster than modern legal system by a long shot lmao

    • @hraharahra
      @hraharahra 3 роки тому +1

      Yes i had same thought. Sure I am glad I don't have to wait weeks for the envoys to arrive. Then remember that traveling may be fast, and communications instant, but is not unheard in most parts of the world to wait incarcerated for justice way longer, and definitely some sentences take way, way more time. That being said, I have no idea how close or far from the average time it is, but my guess it is close or shorter than average time.

    • @zakuro8532
      @zakuro8532 3 роки тому

      just torture the slaves duh

  • @clemsonpacer1
    @clemsonpacer1 3 роки тому +23

    I believe the common practice was to look up Gordianus the Finder and have him work the case

  • @sudstahgaming
    @sudstahgaming 3 роки тому +23

    Who does your artwork? I love the artwork

  • @sundotjolangot9937
    @sundotjolangot9937 3 роки тому +6

    This is just as fascinating as when I first read about this in Adrian Goldsworthy's book on Augusuts. Highly recommended, that one.

  • @shanemize3775
    @shanemize3775 3 роки тому +7

    Wow! I had no idea that the Emperor handled matters of local law in such ways, when called upon. This was incredibly fascinating and entertaining, as always. I always love your videos and never fail to learn new things from them, even though I have been a life-long student of ancient history. Bravo! Please keep the outstanding videos coming and God bless you, my friend!

  • @Jazmillenium
    @Jazmillenium 3 роки тому +7

    It’s amazing to hear such a down to earth, but exciting story. Generally we look at Rome in the big picture in years and reigns, but it’s nice to jump into the every day lives and see the actions taken during a murder scene.

  • @marloyorkrodriguez9975
    @marloyorkrodriguez9975 3 роки тому +91

    Man that’s a great way of investigation then *tortures the slaves* came and a tear just sheds in my eye never change Rome, never change...

    • @stefanpieper3757
      @stefanpieper3757 3 роки тому +3

      It changed plenty though.

    • @7yep4336dfgvvh
      @7yep4336dfgvvh 3 роки тому +1

      @@stefanpieper3757 well, rome doesn't exist anymore for better or worse

    • @luciano9755
      @luciano9755 3 роки тому +7

      @@7yep4336dfgvvh Last time I checked, Rome was in Italy.

    • @7yep4336dfgvvh
      @7yep4336dfgvvh 3 роки тому +3

      @@luciano9755 rome the city, not rome the state. Last time i checked in imperial times, italy was in rome. Also, rome the city doesn't exist anymore per se either. It's an italian city, not a roman one. The romans are all dead and their constructs are just ruins and vestiges decorating a city inhabited by people who aren't and don't call themselves roman. The roman rome is tied to the romans. The italian rome is italian and an just superpositioned on the the territory that the roman rome spread over. Does Constantinople still exist? After all, the territory is all there, but it just goes by a different name. Same with rhegium. It's called regia calabria nowadays, but it's there. Does rhegium still exist? Does the spot caesar crossed the rubicon still 'exist'? Nobody is really sure exactly where it was in italy, though territorially it must exist, of course. The point is that when looking at bistory, things are probably best identified not only in terms of space, but in space and time coordinates. After all, all the peoples that inhabited an area at a given time e.g. the achaemenids aren't the same as the people currently living there or doing so in the future-- we don't call anybody achaemenid nowdays, do we? Constantintinople (Istanbul) is a good example, because it was renamed several times. You could say it became a different city with each renaming. Each time it got renamed, it identified the start of a new era. But certainly this doesn't simply hinge on a name only. Because if rome were to be renamed into something else, would it then suddenly cease to 'exist'? In any case, yes, i do think roman rome doesn't exist anymore beyond an ideatic level, though I was specifically talking about the roman state.
      Ps: another good example relating to names. Romania is the name of a country inhabited by romanians. Romania is also what the byzantines called their state. Does romania still exist? Well, which one? They're clearly different things.

    • @spartan9540
      @spartan9540 3 роки тому +6

      fgddhhunb frybdz Obviously the state doesn’t exist, but, the legacy did have its influence on a lot of modern foundations e.g Western European laws. Also the people didn’t just become extinct, their ancestors live on, but call themselves the name of their country of origin instead of Roman. In fact there were still Greeks in Smyrna in the 1900’s who called themselves Romans

  • @sagapoetic8990
    @sagapoetic8990 3 роки тому

    So enjoyable - thank you so much. Hope you do another story

  • @simplepixel5617
    @simplepixel5617 3 роки тому +3

    You are the Mary Beard of young dudes. Thank you for your videos that go deeper into Roman citizen life, beyond emperors and the Colosseum. I enjoy your videos every time.

  • @georgedaviladurendal7055
    @georgedaviladurendal7055 3 роки тому

    Super interesting! You should do more of these life in rome videos!

  • @robertgresham3603
    @robertgresham3603 3 роки тому +1

    Excellent video subject. Very interesting. Thank you.

  • @Glauber753
    @Glauber753 3 роки тому +2

    Greetings from Brazil!
    very interesting... well done!!!!

  • @l2516
    @l2516 3 роки тому

    This was such an interesting video, from beginning to end!

  • @Jobe-13
    @Jobe-13 3 роки тому +4

    This is fascinating.

  • @phantomkelvink4225
    @phantomkelvink4225 3 роки тому +13

    Now I’m imagining a game call Marcus Aurelius: justice and providence for all!

  • @Aravaganthus
    @Aravaganthus 3 роки тому +15

    "These are their stories"
    DVM DVM

  • @brostelio
    @brostelio 3 роки тому

    Wonderful! Thank you!

  • @ghostinquisitor7743
    @ghostinquisitor7743 3 роки тому

    Another episode of this please, maybe it will become a tv series.

  • @mordakaidrake6582
    @mordakaidrake6582 3 роки тому +3

    This was a great video, might even spin this story into a detective narrative for my D&D campaign.

  • @siggiAg86
    @siggiAg86 3 роки тому

    Awesome! More please!

  • @albinlindmark1383
    @albinlindmark1383 3 роки тому

    Very interesting thanks a lot!

  • @Albukhshi
    @Albukhshi 3 роки тому

    @ 0:39
    This and the Community parody of Law and Order are easily the two best things I saw this year :D

  • @scott6828
    @scott6828 3 роки тому

    Absolutely fascinating

  • @Cherb123456
    @Cherb123456 3 роки тому

    Very interesting, thanks!

  • @costinpatru5450
    @costinpatru5450 3 роки тому +2

    'Dionysios, stop playing with Dionysios!' said Dionysios.
    'Dionysios! Why can't you be more like Dionysios?'

  • @brian152
    @brian152 3 роки тому

    Love the opening!

  • @mishapurser7542
    @mishapurser7542 3 роки тому +13

    Short answer: They didn't.
    Long answer: If you were a wealthy individual or govt official then your murder would be investigated, otherwise it was up to your family to take justice into their own hands.
    Source: Mary Beard

  • @procinctu1
    @procinctu1 3 роки тому

    That was really great!

  • @slacksviii9824
    @slacksviii9824 3 роки тому +2

    Love your videos and id love for you to cover how say disabled members of roman society(mental and physical) were treated or cared for, i would become a member and suggest it but I'm not making too much extra right now

  • @vertiqxgaming4398
    @vertiqxgaming4398 3 роки тому

    Nice video keep up the quality content :)

  • @ximec.r.2643
    @ximec.r.2643 3 роки тому +1

    What amazes me the most is how they kept control of their territory even without instant communication or hard evidence backed by science, law was respected and followed through by both sides to the letter.

  • @lh1tmaN
    @lh1tmaN 3 роки тому

    Great video.

  • @jdstreeter
    @jdstreeter 3 роки тому

    Great job.

  • @laurihavukainen7747
    @laurihavukainen7747 3 роки тому +1

    We need a movie out of this!

  • @age3801
    @age3801 3 роки тому

    Somethings never get old

  • @maxpower4436
    @maxpower4436 3 роки тому

    great vid

  • @Krimcl
    @Krimcl 3 роки тому +2

    Thank god the audio improved. I was about to lose my mind

  • @solaufein1374
    @solaufein1374 3 роки тому

    Very interesting story!

  • @dconov
    @dconov 2 роки тому +2

    I am not sure if this recommendation has already been made, but the historical fiction novels of Steven Saylor, beginning with "Roman Blood", are good reads. The series features the protagonist named "Gordianus the Finder", a kind of private detective of the era of Sulla and Cicero, both of whom appear in the novels. It has been so long ago that I read the novels, I do remember Cicero hires Gordianus, but I can't remember if Gordianus worked for Sulla as well.

  • @londonspade5896
    @londonspade5896 3 роки тому +1

    Good guy Augustus!
    Octavian was always curious

  • @juanzulu1318
    @juanzulu1318 3 роки тому

    Great story. Like a time machine.

  • @NomeDeArte
    @NomeDeArte 3 роки тому +5

    All the people that enjoy this video, should read the books about Marcus Didius Falco, from the writter Lindsey Davis. They are in the year of the first emperadors, at 70 ac, and the characters all very well written and moves from all the empire.
    Really good stories there.

  • @VedanthB9
    @VedanthB9 3 роки тому

    Wow! This was cool!

  • @Chikanuk
    @Chikanuk 3 роки тому +3

    As every good investigator or detective knows - if you have no trust in your witnesses, its thumb screw time! Always work like a charm!

  • @Annalise95
    @Annalise95 3 роки тому

    I wish yu do more of murder an law an order videos!there the best!!!

  • @dg_goldenboy
    @dg_goldenboy 3 роки тому

    Super cool video.

  • @odolwa099
    @odolwa099 3 роки тому +53

    Narrator: There was only one way to ensure the slaves were telling the truth...
    Me: Release them from bondage so as not to be brutalized by their masters for speaking honestly?
    N: Torture!
    Me: ...oh.

    • @this_is_patrick
      @this_is_patrick 3 роки тому +16

      ​@pyropulse Modern propaganda? I dunno about Ancient Rome, but there are numerous documentations of modern slaves being victims of senseless violence for petty wrongdoings in the Americas and European possessions in Africa.

    • @talknight2
      @talknight2 3 роки тому +12

      @pyropulse Enough experiments have been done to determine that humans turn into violent psychopaths astonishingly quickly when encountering other humans deemed "less human" than themselves. For example, the Stanford Prison experiment.

    • @realDarkPeterson
      @realDarkPeterson 3 роки тому +7

      @@talknight2 There were multiple serious methodological issues with that experiment. Including sample size, sample diversity and coaching behavior from the researchers. If anything, it's far more representative of what occurs when an authority greater than yourself nudges you to fall in line, while giving you zero inhibitions. The latter of which is a rarity in peacetime circumstances.
      That is not to say that there isn't anything to that experiment, or similar experiments as well as documented real life equivalents, such as Abu Gharib. But to say it is universal is by far too broad, especially given the sample size and the similar attitudes among them. There is a serious enough difference, in regards to among other thing warcrimes, between zero inhibition (as is the case in say Abu Gharib, with essentially entirely willing contributors), and viewing oneself as a tool to be wielded by a greater authority than oneself (disassociation / writing off responsibility to the authority figure. I.e. 'just doing my job.')
      Both, of course, are reprehensible either way. But I'd be careful with mixing them into the same bag and calling it all psychopathic behavior.

    • @hraharahra
      @hraharahra 3 роки тому

      @Hunter D Because most people don't want to be slaves! Specially if you get enslaved by your enemy. Things like that sour the mood. I can offer you the opposite examples. Why there would be slave rebellions, when there were well known cases of slaves with great influence and financial wealth. It is not unheard of, for both extremes, but as a whole, slaves were brutalized as often as in today's world people brutalise their cars. It is not unheard of, but is not the norm.

    • @hraharahra
      @hraharahra 3 роки тому

      @@this_is_patrick I bet you belive the gladiators as a whole also was wretched scum, forced to fight to death every single time? Actually fights were very rarely deadly, most notable exclusion was, criminals as punishment and sometimes enemy soldiers. There were also provided the best medical assistance it was available in that time, and most successful of the gladiators, were very famous, very rich and very respected by the society. There are known cases, gladiator not accepting his freeing.

  • @mehdisd3756
    @mehdisd3756 3 роки тому

    awsome video

  • @takaetono6773
    @takaetono6773 3 роки тому

    just amazing!

  • @KeatrithAmakiir
    @KeatrithAmakiir 3 роки тому

    2:11 I recognize those map packs!!!

  • @gabesegun7966
    @gabesegun7966 3 роки тому

    Whao. Live in those days were really gruesome. I always love the ancient names. I'm also surprised that no crucifixion in a murder case in Roman empire

  • @eliteviktor3
    @eliteviktor3 3 роки тому +3

    If they ever resumed the HBO Rome series, I would hope they choos you to be one of their history buffs.

  • @PointnShootMovies
    @PointnShootMovies 3 роки тому

    You deserve more views

  • @Miamcoline
    @Miamcoline 3 роки тому

    Very cool!

  • @mikewilburn5884
    @mikewilburn5884 3 роки тому

    Very nice.

  • @mutolover3851
    @mutolover3851 3 роки тому

    Great intro 😅👍

  • @andywomack3414
    @andywomack3414 3 роки тому +9

    I guess slaves while giving testimony must ask themselves the question, "How much of this must I take before they're convinced I'm telling the truth?
    The threat of torture would be enough for me.

    • @neutronalchemist3241
      @neutronalchemist3241 3 роки тому +7

      Since the testimony of a slave could be legally considered in a trial only if torture had been used, when slaves already wanted to talk this legal obligation was enforced quite leniently. A pair of hits with a rod, and you could consider yourself tortured.

    • @chipwalter4490
      @chipwalter4490 3 роки тому

      And wouldn't you know.. the slaves' testimony proves that their Master's household was actually the victim in the saga. And they the slaves accidentally committed the murder. Not only that, but their rival who instigated the whole thing, the other brother, was still to face justice. All this with the reality these slaves could be further tortured or killed. Upon return to their Master if their Master found out their testimony didn't suit him in every way possible. And that same well-connected aristocrat Master would've had to pay customary bribes all-the-way-up the chain of command to have access to higher and higher officials. But yeah, great report about the astonishing truths revealed by the "investigation." I kept waiting for the caveat of skepticism from Invicta... but I guess, why ruin a good story with the obvious?

  • @squamish4244
    @squamish4244 3 роки тому

    "I was inside the house and I heard a ruckus."
    "Can you describe the ruckus, sir?"

  • @richardcharay7788
    @richardcharay7788 3 роки тому

    Thanks!

  • @user-fl7by8in5o
    @user-fl7by8in5o 3 роки тому

    👍 good video

  • @silentmajority5634
    @silentmajority5634 3 роки тому

    Best into ever!!!

  • @motherhors7036
    @motherhors7036 3 роки тому +3

    Slaves: *exists*
    Gallus: So anyways, I started blasting.

  • @kingdomofbird8174
    @kingdomofbird8174 3 роки тому

    6:50 Guy: I'm am justice
    **Plays music**

  • @laurendimke967
    @laurendimke967 3 роки тому

    The opening ♥️♥️😂

  • @AdriiPing
    @AdriiPing 3 роки тому +1

    Haha nostalgic intro xD

  • @powerist209
    @powerist209 3 роки тому

    Just noticed that you used DungeonDraft for the town design.

  • @Veon1
    @Veon1 3 роки тому +1

    At 5:00 is that Posca from HBO Rome?

  • @alcidsg2
    @alcidsg2 3 роки тому +5

    You could do one of this type about China and other civilizations

    • @trancepeirce3107
      @trancepeirce3107 3 роки тому +2

      The fiction exists. Celebrated Cases of Judge Dee (Dee Goong An) is a detective crime novel set in seventh century Tang Dynasty, written during the eighteenth century, and about a local magistrate solving murders.