There Will Be Blood: Vocal Control in Movies
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Voice shows a characters control of a scene. Depending on how they talk and when they talk, you can see the power dynamics between characters. Who's in control, and who's being dominated. With this thinking in mind, Daniel Plainview becomes a fascinating character to study. And do first understand Daniel Plainview's voice, you have to first understand John Wayne's voice.
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The scene with Eli forcing Daniel to repeat the phrase "I have abandoned my boy" is a great example of the power dynamic of revenge and competition in the movie. The ending scene in the bowling alley where Daniel makes Eli repeat the phrase "I am a false prophet, God is a superstition" is such a big motif of personal revenge against Eli.
I don't agree with Eli Sunday's point, regarding HW. He seemingly inserted his opinion there, and we can see that Daniel sent him to get an education as his bid to try to communicate with him again.
So many levels to this film.
@@CigaretteCrayon if that was the case he wouldn't have lied to him and abandon him on the train. he would have also learned sign language if he wanted to communicate with him.
Because he also is a fraud, a false prophet who uses religion to serve himself
Yes
It’s hard for an actor to keep with DDL but Paul Dano did a pretty good job in that movie.
I was looking for a comment like this. Bravo.
He’s a very underrated actor. He’s absolutely fantastic in Prisoners as well
Clayborn Grey I agree that he’s amazing in Prisoners. That movie doesn’t get enough recognition.
@Abdulla Saleh And both decided to work with Paul Thomas Anderson...
One of the best directors ever
@@clayborngrey3552 Agreed. Paul Dano is amazing.
"The voice is the fingerprint of the soul" - Daniel Day-Lewis
its funny how that quote applies completely to John Wayne, but not at all to himself.
John wayne can be identified by voice alone in every one of his movies even if you never saw the movie before, where as, you would be hard pressed to ever identify Mr. Lewis by voice alone.
John Wayne was great, but very "one note" in his delivery. Danial Day is ever changing and unique to a fault in every part he plays.
I would arguably rate Mr. Lewis as the greatest actor to ever grace the screen.
@@TheSighphiguy Couldn't agree more. While John Wayne being John Wayne in every John Wayne movie, I don't really see Daniel Day-Lewis. All I see is his character. He talks differently for different character. From the quote, my guess is that his first step is finding the voice of the character.
For decades, i never knew DDL' actual voice, i can spot most actors in animated films and do pretty well with intentional misdirects... But I'll never be able to identify his actual voice...
I'll never forget his performances in GangsofNY, Lincoln, and TTWB... Holy fuck.. he's unbelievable
@@TheSighphiguy hes not implying the recognition of the voice. ex oh thats defiantly John Waynes voice. he is implying what this videos is suggesting. being able to control the narrative and harness the moment.
"Talk low, talk slow, and don't say too much." - John Wayne
Aristotle says almost the same in thing in Ethics
Fuck John Wayne
@@streetrat48 whoa there pil grum
Couldn’t concur with you more! I meant Wayne.
Much like Betty Draper, her childhood character, she was fined a penny by her parents by talking too much.
The art of conversation is SUCH a lost art.
People just say whatever pops into their head, without thinking AT ALL of the words as they literally say them.
A damn shame.
But one I take great pride in.
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@@ridespirals He was a hate filled racist piece of shit, to quote Joker from FMJ, "He can eat the peanuts out of my shit."
To this day, no performance grips me from beginning to end like Daniel Day Lewis in There Will Be Blood. In my opinion, it's the best performance ever captured on camera.
For me it is this and Tony Soprano by James Gandolfini
I give you two thumbs up I agree wholeheartedly most impressive Daniel Day-Lewis in my opinion is the greatest actor of our time
I almost want to agree but I will say it’s comparable to Christy Brown, Bill Cutting or to his character in Last of the Mohicans, but perhaps the cinematography and score and other performances detract to his perfection of that role. In the Name Of the Father was good too. I didn’t care for his last movie too much but his talent in role playing is undeniable.
And I’m sorry I can’t stand James Gandolfini. His role as Tony Soprano was the same mannerisms, same tone of voice almost same character as the guy he played in True Romance. I think he is an overrated actor that got the hype due to the quality of the show. Any actor could have gotten that part and made it just as big give or take a few memorable moments here and there. I betcha there are some actors who would have catapulted that show even through further greatness. But regardless that’s just me guessing.
Daniel Day Lewis is a powerhouse. I can’t think of a better actor.
DDL is the man. Absolutely hard to top. I love the last statement in the movie, "I'm finished.". It's like he's saying to his butler, "Come see my work of art. Now clean it up.". Haha.
Dont forget Bill the Butcher from Gangs of New York
My mom came in during the cattle scene and said “John Wayne? I’d know that voice anywhere.”
EXACTLY
Nice job acting like a dick
Paul Smecker is always ahead of things.
For the life of me I don't see why people tell others like this, they're lying. First how the hell do you know and second why the hell would someone lie about something like that? So in the end even if they are, who cares? Doesn't even matter.. so trivial...
stellvia hohenheim during the "cattle scene"
There will be blood is a masterpiece. One of my all time favorite films.
His destruction of Eli is beautiful. Epic film.
Have you seen Donnie Brasco, its on Netflix and a great ass movie
@@brianphillips5978 But why? I love that movie but this man is on another level.
@@vCLOWNSHOESv im suggesting a movie, fuck you mean "bUt WhY"
@@vCLOWNSHOESv this a good movie i guess, but the mob and mafia movies in my opinion are better than western type movies
I think Don Draper in Mad Men has a very similar vocal control. His motto is "If you don't like what's being said, change the conversation." But it's all a front and he's extremely unhappy. Also, Jon Hamm does a great job playing him.
And additionally, his name is reminiscent of the tasty sandwich meat we all know and love.
Vocal control and dialogue in Mad Men is extremely underrated to me, but I agree that especially Don's character is a great example of this.
What makes Jon Hamm complex is that he stole the power and narrative of his life from someone else he met in the war.
essentially his whole existence is manufactured , just like how his business will manufacture perceptions about the products they advertise .
His existence is hastily created and performed but his manipulations, demonstrated by the many people he hurt over time, was the truest part of his character and the most lasting.
before becoming Jon Hamm he was a passive coward of sorts (didn't they say he had a stutter when he was young?) . and the dichotomy of Hamm was that the character drives , especially with the women be chased, were born out of his desire to run away from his past.
his continued manipulation and ignorance of who he really was ironically were the most solid elements of what Jon Hamm was.
adding onto this, lot of his mottos were always drenched in a man obsessed with changing who he was.
crazy to think that he was an actor playing an actor playing someone opposite of who he was
Tony Soprano too
“In the end plainview wins but he’s not in control” this is not only a great summation of the that final conversation, but the plot as a whole.
I recall a quote from, I think, an Oscar Wilde character: "It's not enough that I should succeed, but that others should fail." That seems to match the Daniel Plainview character's drive.
Nevermind the fact that he actually says the line in the movie. Just keep trying to take credit for nothing tho
@@BOOGiNS - Cool! I'll have to look up the quote, because I'm pretty sure it's not original.
@@losthor1zon "I have a competition in me. I want no one else to succeed"...
Gore Vidal said that, not Wilde
@@dunctank612 - Ok, now I really have to figure this out. Instead of forgetting about it for another three years.
Please never stop making these. Every frame a painting isn't a thing anymore
KenichiDC why isn't he anymore? He was an inspiration for alot of us
Adam Lord i don't remember where exactly it was uploaded but he made a post on his blog written by him and his girlfriend talking about how they're doing different things now
Damn, that's a real loss. I considered him perhaps the best at what his channel did. One step above even "Now you see it", which is still a truly great channel. Well, life goes on I guess, there will be other creators providing content and some maybe will achieve a similarly excellent quality of content
I think it was on reddit. I saw the post too. :/
luca pons check out channel criswell, my fav
Interesting fact: John Wayne modeled his walk, talk, and overall mannerisms in film after Wyatt Earp. He met the man once and, after that, knew that it was who he wanted to mimic on screen.
Really? I sincerely hope there's true
@@jimmetopramen7827 it is. it's a well-recorded fact.
@@devoncrestway338 Which one, Costner or Russell? I enjoy both movies but Tombstone with Kilmer epic performance as Doc it's not close. 😜I know.
Any proof of your fact?
@@meh9682 huh? lol. no, man. i mean the REAL wyatt earp.
There Will Be Blood is one of those rare movies that you can watch again and again and still be able to find something new. Daniel Plainview is one of the most realistic characters in movie history, and Daniel Day Lewis one of the greatest actors.
Its interesting to see Daniel Day Lewis playing characters who are not only internally troubled but also have to partake in intense psychological battles with other characters. His vocal control and range is one skill that really sets him apart from other actors and enables him to do justice to playing such amazing characters over and over again.
The destruction of Eli was beautiful and highly satisfying.
I make a yearly habit to watch TTWB for that moment, you cant skip the movie or it wont resonate, also GangsofNY, xmas movies.
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Try Christy Brown autobiographical film MY LEFT FOOT if you’re haven’t seen it already it’s a empowering role in which DDL plays a cerebral palsy born into a family of 22 children and doctors and nurses told them he should be put into a mental home as he would be a mute vegetable and a burden but the family an my nannie in particular discovers a spark behind his eyes and helped with great struggles at times to awaken the genius within in a rough tough working class dublin so great and proud!! 🇮🇪✊👍
I agree, but honestly I also wanted Daniel to get his comeuppance too. I mean, he is an alcoholic recluse in the end, but the first time I watched the movie, I thought he might've been killed by the end of the movie, and I thought that's what the movie was leading to.
@Astro Apollo The way Daniel treated his son, especially in regards to his deafness which he brought upon his child, at the end of the film hit me differently. Eli was a shit but Daniel was a level of cruel that was unrelenting and spared no one. I do think that the last line of the film did mean that Daniel's comeuppance was coming, we just don't get to witness it (maybe through the loss of his son). Anyways H.W. was about the only character in this film I ended up respecting as a person and thank god he got out happy and truly loved.
@@jml6263 Also, Eli is more complicated than just being a shit. He's a fraud, and someone who craves social power, but at the same time he was right the whole time about how Daniel had cheated him (and his family). Their entire conflict stems, ultimately, from the fact that Eli correctly perceives that Plainview is trying to screw them over for his own gain. One had to wonder how much more smoothly everything would have gone, if Plainview had simply given Eli the $5,000 he wanted for the oil. Eli's biggest crime in the movie is playing the townsfolks for saps as their spiritual healer. Daniel's crimes are far more extensive, and worse in my opinion.
But of course, Daniel Day-Lewis is in complete control when his voice spikes on "MILKSHAKE!"
It's good to see you here RisingJake.
The should have put you in a JAR
Bastard in a basket! BASTARD IN A BASKET!
his losing control in that moment shows just how unhinged the character has become
“We’ll offer quail prices >:•{D”
DDL literally is the master of accents and characters. Gangs of New York! His portrayal of bill the butcher had me shook! The guy is incredible!
Daniel Plainview is my favorite character of all time
So courageous, so tragic, so flawed, so doomed
I take it you like modern art too ?
Daniel was an extreme narcissist
There Will be Blood is a masterpiece. All of the actors involved were no small part, and the writing and camera work sound, etc. all very very well executed.
Lol I should dislike this for the fact that you didn't show "I. DRINK. YOUR MILKSHAKE!!! SSSSSSSLLFFLLLLHHHHHHHH.
I think that's how you spell that slurping sound.
Such a memorable scene
I unlike your comment so I could re like it
I think it's more like SSSSSSSLRUHRUHRURHRURUUHHHHHHHHHSSLAALALAHALASHSHSHALHSHSALAALHURRRRR
😂😂😂
DDL. The best actor I’ve ever witnessed. His performance in TWBB is one of the best performances ever.
Eddie Cardwell watch Jake gyllenhaal in nightcrawler. Fantastic performance and I'm biased here, but in an actually good movie.
Colin Breland - He’s good too. I’ve seen it. He’s underrated.
Colin Breland are you implying TWBB isn't good?
Kristian Gac yes. I think TWBB is terribly boring with nothing interesting to say. I can think of two good scenes, the intro where no one is speaking and when DDL and his "brother" are on the beach. DDL is terrible in this and Paul Dano sucks too. What's an entertaining part of this movie? The big explosion? Not really. The milkshake scene? Comically bad, honestly, seeing DDL limp/run like his leg was full of rot looked ridiculous. Listening to him yelling about he drank the guys milkshake was so dumb. To end, it wasn't entertaining and not interesting. Not trying to be a cunt here but honestly, tell me what was good/you liked about the movie. I see people say day Lewis is the GOAT actor and I think it's ridiculous, he's terrible in this. Cinematography is far from something special in this, I didn't like the soundtrack, acting was sub-par, story was boring.
Colin Breland I've never liked DDL either. He plays every character exactly the same, and never really captures your imagination like say Al Pacino in the godfather part 1 and 2
2:34 - so THAT'S where Arnold Shwarzenegger's T-800 Terminator gets the one-handed shotgun reload from in Terminator 2 Judgement Day! He's doing a John Wayne! The Harley was a modern stand-in for a horse! Wow, cool.
@D D Very thought-provoking comment
And probably with a real production rifle, not a lightweight prop gun.
Maybe. interestingly notice how the gun John Wayne uses had a large loop for the lever. This aides in the ability to do the flip load. On T2 there were two different props. One with a normal lever and the other with the large loop for doing the flip loads. Apparently Arnold attempted to do a flip load with the normal lever and almost broke his fingers in the process. Also good to note that John Wayne is using a rifle, while Arnold was using a shotgun
The one-handed shotgun reload comes from real people reloading real shotguns with one hand. Do you also think that the way horses run in Seabiscuit "came from" 1878's horse in motion, that people who walk in moves "got it" from 1895's "Roundhay's Garden Scene, or that 1895's "Arrival of a Train" set the standard for how trains stopped at stations for movies forever more? Shotguns are real things in the real world, and reloading them one-handed is a real thing that happened even before they were ever featured in a movie and still happens in the modern era.
@@xandercorp6175 The fact that it happens in real live doesn't make it less of a reference or a homage. I mean, I'm pretty sure many twin sisters have stood in hallways holding hands throughout history, but whenever we see it in a movie it's almost certain to be a reference to The Shining. Whenever we hear a "I'll be back" from someone, even though it's been said thousand, millions of times by normal people, we think of Terminator. It's about the imagery, meaning and relevance of a certain thing, not about the mundane act itself.
So, it seems there is a clear shift in meaning of the word "vocal control" throughout this video. It starts out sounding like "vocal control" refers to the ability to control one's vocal range and tenor, while later in the analysis of There will be Blood vocal control basicall means "having the floor" or "steering the narrative or flow of conversation".
It's as if the notion of vocal control, which to me seems to be relatively specific regarding vocal range and tone, breathiness or not, etc., is touched on briefly only to turn the topic of the video into something else, which really is not about vocal control at all. While the remarks about the camera are astute, they seem to subtly undermine the importance of "vocal" control.
Seemed like an interesting video but all in all it seemed really confused about what it was trying to say.
At the very end, "vocal control" means "not losing one's temper". Just feels like a cheap usage of the word vocal control in three ways without even distinguishing.
Controlling your vocal range, tone, accent, etc.
Using your voice to control things
Controlling your voice by controlling your temper
Quite disappointed. Postmodern reference in the first few minutes but has no commitment to defining its own terms :(
Vocal control isn't an expression, it's only meaning is what the words provide, "vocal" and "control": control through voice; whether it refers to a charismatic trait or a movie direction technique depends on the context
It's both, though. You can't control anything if you can't control yourself. The voice is a powerful instrument in interacting with others, exercising autonomy, and in influencing those around you.
Great orators don't just magically influence people, and it's not always their ideas that win over crowds. The commonality is that they know how to connect using voice as their tool. It takes practice to master any tool.
Totally agree. The essayist appears to be giving the actor credit for decisions that are made by the director. The actor doesn't "control" a voice being heard before they're seen, the director and editor do. Day Lewis doesn't "control" when the camera stops, the director does. Day Lewis doesn't control who or when he speaks, the writer does. Annoying because a video about tone of voice is an interesting concept.
@@therantingboy Yeah, it seems as if the analysis is ok with just blending all these terms together. Quite disappointing.
As for the other two responses....yes, by definition of the word "expression", it is indeed an "expression" via the definition: "a word or group of words used in a particular situation or by particular people:" as "voice control" is not really an everyday commonplace word but is more jargon.
And I never said both of these things could not be involved in the creation of an aura around a character. But acting like all of these things are attributable to the actor when clearly most of these things are director/screen-writer/producer decisions, just makes it not worth taking seriously imo. And the whole analysis is presented in this post-modern kind of style, looking at how things today break the mold and undermine the way things used to be done (hence the most stereotypical examples from the past are found to show how pomo everything is now, and how absolutely genius this is).
Once again, really cool idea for a video. Less than ideal execution.
yes well said. as many can see the person who wrote this essay went from talking about vocal control to breaking down the literal representation of the voice, and the story of there will be blood. The john wayne part isnt even necessary
Daniel Lewis was fucking amazing in there will be blood. As good as it gets. People rate his performance as Lincoln but his performance as Daniel Plainview was the peak of his career imo and I cant see anyone topping it. The man is a genius at his art form.
I think Clint Eastwood has a total mastery of voice that rivals or exceeds John Waynes
Yeah Clint Eastwood speaks in the 3rd tonal value, with that slight slurring in his throat he sounds like he means Business...
True!
"Is that you, John Wayne? Is this me?"
Who said that? WHO THE FUCK SAID THAT?
Watch the version of that scene where they replace the voices with Disney characters. It's gold.
I saw that
If I weren't a large cheese I'd make you pay for that remark
Lol! I'm so glad you wrote this.
Fabian Morales
I'm so glad you responded.
you know your christmas holiday is going to be constructive when you watch a video 3 minutes after it comes out
Bane in DKR is a pretty good example of this as well. Considering we never see his mouth move when he speaks, it makes it even more of a "god-like" quality over the scene/other characters.
Not to mention Darth Vader.
Problem is he sounds like a drunk Welshman doing a bad Sean Connery, so unless that is your own specific conjectural voice foe a personification of an indefinable metaphysical force, any godlike authority is nonexistent.
Skymarshal Tom Hardy always speaks like that maybe Christin bale is good at vocals
Tom Hardy and Bale are two of the best actors of this generation. I think they both know what they're doing.
It doesn't matter how he talks. What matters is his plan.
Everything Daniel has done? is just the maximum effort by the artist to portray his character in every aspect.
Who else holds a candle to this man? Very few actors come close.
I can't hear John Wayne's voice without laughing. I'll always associate it with his role as Genghis Khan and his voice was hilarious when he was playing a Mongol.
"That'll be the day"...That's from the movie "The Searchers" which Buddy Holly saw in the movie theater and that's how he got the idea for the song
very cool trivia
I fully approve of the birdcage used in this video
Mina F The Birdcage! That movie is so good
There were rumours of John Wayne being gay! So maybe Robin Williams was really playing Wayne in this scene! lol!
Your last name is Foohoorar is it?
Smear. Men smear.
I drink your milk shake! *SHHHLLLLUUUUURRRRPP*
Goldyray Yeazle I DRINK IT UP!
I'm an oil man see?
DRAAAAINAGE!
If he doesnt i will
Daniel Day Lewis' acting is far superior to John Wayne's. I remember watching "The greatest story ever told" on TV as a child and Wayne is playing a roman soldier and at the point where Jesus is crucified and huge thunderstorm starts and Wayne Wayne points his sword up at Jesus and says with his awful voice/accent "Truly this man was the son of god" and it wrecks the whole scene! I'm surprised he had a sword in his hand - it could have just as easily been a shotgun and probably no one would have noticed.
Ian Graves, I disagree. John Wayne is iconographic, and the acting is brilliant. Day Lewis has range but he also has a tendency to go over the top (In The Name of the Father, Gangs of New York, The Boxer, The Crucible). Wayne is very understated but his presence lends gravitas to both acting and roles (The Quiet Man, The Searchers, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, The Shootist). Therefore, superiority is relative. It’s all about the totally of the film, including mis en scene.
Wait, so didn’t they kind of spoof that scene in “Hail Caesar!” when George Clooney fucked up his line at the end??
guinnesstrail no way dude, John Wayne plays one character in all of his movies and it’s a generic one at that. DDL just transforms in to whatever character he plays.
@@guinnesstrail absolutely horrendous take lol
There was a nice contrast here between Paul Dano, who was straight acting and gave a true to life performance, and Daniel Day-Lewis, who was method acting and gave a larger than life performance. Personally I prefer the true to life performance, but given all of Day-Lewis’ accolades, most people seem to think of larger than life performances as being better “acting”.
Too little is credited John Wayne's script writers. Talking like John was probably a lot of hard work for the writers.
tf are you talking about 😂
They're saying that those scripts were probably written that way because John Wayne had such a limited range. It was less about what John Wayne could do with a script, and more about what a script could do with John Wayne.
Yep, John Wayne could only talk like "John Wayne". . . .I don't understand why people consider him to be a good actor. He was mediocre at best.
I was born while John was still doing movies and this is all about if John delivered concise quotable one-liners it wasn't because of his talent but the writer's and he just delivered them in his style, which the writer's obviously wrote for. If any of his lines were ad-libbed by himself just let me know.
Unexamined, "You don't pay a movie star top dollar to ACT like someone else" ?!?!? What in the hell kind of cough syrup have you been drinking ?!? What do you think "movie stars" are paid to do ?? They are paid to ACT !!! That is what it means to be an actor. . .an actor portrays "someone else" . . .otherwise it wouldn't be acting. Now, there are really good actors like Daniel Day Lewis who have the ability and talent to play multiple characters (aka "someone else") but then you have mediocre actors like John Wayne who just play "themselves" over and over and over again because they have a certain Shtick that gives them some kind of appeal.
This is a masterful video. I have seen a LOT of videos on There Will Be Blood. There's a lot to say about it. But this is the first time I've seen a lot of these insights. Thank you. The intro reminds me of the word Laconic. Which means saying much in as few words as possible. The spartans, or Lacedaemonians were so refined at this art that today we call such speech Laconic, which is very John Wayne/Clint Eastwood. When Philip of Mastedon wrote to the king of Sparta "If I enter Laconia, I will raze Sparta to the ground," The Spartans simply responded "If."
Darren Foley's got an essay highlighting these points on vimeo
You mean laconic?
Lacan-esque
A fine comment. However, I presume you were referring to Philip of Macedon / Macedonia.
Jesus, there is so much stuff in here that I would've never considered. I've seen There Will Be Blood like 3 times but I never really noticed the importance of Day-Lewis' use of vocals in the film. Fantastic video as usual, good sir.
Something that's almost never pointed out: Day-Lewis's accent is not much more than him doing an impression of the American filmmaker and actor, John Houston.
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I still love this film so much. It deserves more praise and awareness. Long, well written films just don't sell with people's low attention span, sadly. Daniel Day Lewis is excellent.
Fun Fact: John Wayne's line "That'll be the day." from The Searchers (Great movie!) was the inspiration for the 1950's song "That'll Be The Day When I Die".
Not to take anything away from DDL, but PTA specifically told him to ‘watch John Huston interviews’ to get the voice down for Daniel Plainview in pre-production. Now go watch a John Huston interview and get your mind blown. It’s to a tee.
Paul Dano is one of my favorite underrated actors ever. There will be blood, prisoners, and little miss sunshine are all fantastic performances by him.
Prisoners... great movie, but even as a person who likes so-called ‘gritty’, realistic entertainment (No Country for Old Men, Breaking Bad, There Will be Blood, Alpha Dog, etc) and who completely loathes the MCU, even for me, Prisoners is SO DARK and dreary, it’s hard to rewatch. The only movie I liked but just refuse to ever watch again is Requiem for a Dream; it’s a good movie, I liked the quick, erratic cuts, but it’s just ... idk, like, ONCE is ENOUGH. This sort of dirty feeling you get from watching it is not something I want to experience again.
Nearly the same with Prisoners. Absolutely GREAT performances for all involved; Jackman is spectacular and, more importantly, BELIEVABLE as the father so overwhelmed with grief that is will do literally ANYTHING to find her. The lady, the real abductor, I don’t remember her name, is exceptional as well. But Dano... probably one of the reasons I don’t rewatch it more, he’s so good in convincing as the suuuuper creep haha. His voice, his mannerisms, his movements, everything. Same for the other creep guy (Forget his name also, but he was one of the jokers henchmen in dark knight) who has the fake graves and snakes. Soooo creepy. Again, GREAT movie, and right up my alley in terms of genre, it’s just almost TOO realistically dark and haunting to watch on a regular basis
I don’t know if you have seen it, but there is another movie he is in with Daniel Radcliffe called “swiss army man”... not realistic at all, the total opposite actually; it’s not the sort of movie I would typically like, but it’s just so weird and original, very creative. Check it out if you’ve never seen it
Wow, I never caught Eli's method. Paul Dano did a vow of silence in Little Miss Sunshine, so this makes it extraordinary.
the "vocal" part was very confusing but i enjoyed the thematic/story breakdown. that was good.
I just watched this again on Netflix. Thanks, man! Loved finding this vein of storytelling and having you confirm their tug-of-war for control in each scene 👍
i think that in 15 years, this movie will get the actual attention it deserves
Just some back story related to your thesis. Wayne's opening shot in "Stagecoach" was all about John Ford, the director of that film. Ford created the look, the sound and Wayne's total demeanor down to the smallest detail. He wanted Wayne to have a memorable entrance so to speak and Ford succeeded. That moment is fair more Ford's creation than Wayne's. And in a way, so is the Wayne persona more of Ford's creation than Wayne's. His best films early in his path to stardom were his collaborations with Ford. Through Ford, Wayne eventually found what worked and could bring it in varying degrees to different roles with other directors. As per his voice control, I doubt that Wayne ever gave it much thoight except in terms if the sound man could hear him. In your description of Wayne's performance you speak of it as if he were doing this all on his own, when it was totally a creation of Ford, who exercised great control over his films and was as I stated earlier creating the very impressions you note. Not Wayne but Ford. An actor like Wayne was in far less control of his instrument than a master actor like Day-Lewis.
If you hear him in interviews he sounds much the same.
Vocal training has really been an extremely important part of acting for hundreds of years. It existed well before the time of Stanislavky, considered the father of the method. Actors like Daniel Day Lewis are a rare example of the ghold school of acting where voice, diction, projection etc are just as important as the inner life. It was also a big part of the early talking films where many stage actors right out of that period where vocal skill was used to simulate an emotion. Excellent actors like George Arliss and later Olivier right through to Burton, Branagh and Day-Lewis have made use of this among others.
I think you should shift the emphasis of control over the director. Film is a director's medium. The voice doesn't control the shot, the director allows the actor to do what they want. Altho an actor like Day-Lewis brings more to the party in invention, talent, etc. it is still the director's choices and all are under his control, unless the director is inexperienced and or new.
Also, ironically Day-Lewis did an imitation of the great film director, John Huston. For some reason this was on purpose.
The director...AND the screenwriter.
I mean, you raise a point, but you swing the pendulum too far. If anything you kind of miss the fact that it’s a network of creativity and work. At this point you could also say (not necessarily in John Wayne’s case because i don’t know who cast him) the casting director is utterly essential for the director to even be able to get this effect with the right actor. And directors all have different methods and opinions. Eg, Quentin Tarantino had cast some people for Inglorious Basterds and even begin initial work.... but then said to his producer that he had written a role that maybe no actor could play to his satisfaction. So, clearly the role created by Tarantino matters, but so did the other puzzle pieces.
Christoph Waltz, that is. Also, now that I’ve finished the section on Wayne I totally see what you mean about the points the video raises.
Fascinating words coming from someone who would never measure up to the Duke. I believe you have some deep fantasy for Lewis. All that praise, and for what? You are quick to site his excellence as an actor and not credit his director but insist that the Duke was entirely made by the director. I wonder, do you often double standard things in your life?
I agree with you but I was going to make the same point about the screenwriter actually. That's the person who creates the character in the first place.
Your starting too really get into unique video essay topics, continue the great work!
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His vocals are fucking annoying... I feel like smashing his head in with a baseball bat.
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"Never apologize. It's a sign of weakness"
*rolls eyes so hard, they fall into the back of my head and rattle around like in a pachinko machine*
"I drink your milkshake"
(dude immediately back chokes him to death)
"hard to drink milkshakes when you're dead..."
Great essay. I started thinking about that when Tom Hardy said that finding a voice was finding a character. Even Tatiana Maslany, who played different roles in Orphan Black, can embody the clones so distintive from each other even with voice.
But I've never thought about voice control as a form of power. Wow. Something to reflect on.
*Grunt* My name is Max *Double grunt*
Analysis on Cliché in movies?
Cliques are cliques for a reason: they work.
and on that note, first=/=better, but they can be the same
Jasen Effendy cliché or tropes?
Jasen Effendy Do you have an instagram account so we can talk about movies
That's a tough one. A cliche might not have been a cliche when a movie was released. People who are watching Seinfeld for the first time will often criticize it for rampant use of cliches without realizing that what they're often seeing is the root of the cliche -- the origin that worked so well others were compelled to emulate it.
There Will Be Blood is a commentary on power and dominance. Vocal control is just a means of extending your sphere of influence; TV framing and techniques merely manipulate the audience's perception of its subjects.
Patrick Harrison I believe it’s specifically a social commentary on capitalist greed vs religious hypocrisy. How each use each other to further their own agendas.
TWBB is not so much a hint at the death of Eli but rather a looming reconciliation owed to God - who detests greed and hypocrisy.
Blood for blood.
There will be blood.
@@memowilliam9889 most excellent observation power and control over capitalism versus fundamental Christian beliefs
Patrick Harrison I feel like this is obvious. Of course the way a movie is filmed influences how people view it, that’s sort of a moot point.
this is simply one of the finest video essays on film i have ever seen. congratulations, and thank you for it.
DDL as Daniel Plainview is the greatest performance I’ve ever seen.
there will be blood: favorite movie of all time
Papi Chulo - Best performance In a film ever as well. DDL is the GOAT.
I agree with both of you. It saddens me that DDL feels that he has nothing left to give acting and has announced his retirement. No matter what film he’s in, whither he’s the main character or not, he always dominates through the quality of his acting.
I remember MAD magazine that used to make fun of movies. For this one, they would have probably entitled the satire, "There Will be Idiots", or something like that. Here's the 1st page of their take-off on the old super-corny TV show, "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" : www.vttbots.com/mad_1.html
Uremawife Nowdave Daniel day Lewis is highly overrated. I would go as far as saying he is legitimately bad
@@dailytimes6787 Your trolling needs work.
Youd have been better off arguing that John Wayne was overrated instead.
Youll get there. As you get older, youll get experience.
Fun fact, John Wayne became friends with Wyatt Earp. He patterned his walk, mannerisms and his voice on the lawman.
Where does the script, editing, and directors "vision" all play into this?
... my question exactly! The narrator implies that THE ACTOR has total control over the entire scene, & although voice modulation , pacing & tone are obviously an integral part of a scene, MUCH relies on the direction, editing & the words the actor is given... a TEAM EFFORT after all, IMHO.
I actually think the direction is what brings out the actor. I do acting an extra work and almost every shoot I've been on I make myself as blank as possible then allow the script proxcemics and director paint the picture if that makes sense. I found if I went into a piece with my own ideas it often leaves the director not much creative freedom since I've already established a character. Good direction can be found just in the use of punctuation, almost everything you do as an actor is based around getting told what to do. But that don't mean you can't do the work yourself some want that and I appreciate it others don't but I have to respect the vision.
@@redcaddiedaddie almost everything about making a movie is a matter of team effort, but THIS video chooses to focus on performance. No one's denying the influence of other people, it's just that this time it's a 14 minutes conversation about actors and their vocal capacities applied to narratives.
@@redcaddiedaddie He was referring to the character....
Which is a summation of efforts between the actor, writer, director etc...
He focused mostly on the actors role because ultimately that's the person who is actually speaking.
@@brokenwave6125 OK...
DDL owns every scene in that movie. As soon as his presence is there, he's the one everybody listens to. He was the same in Gangs of New York. Dicapprio is a very good actor, but DDL absolutely steals any scene he's in with him.
"Control what people can say, and you can control everything about them." ooooooooeeeee. That's some REAL wisdom right there.
So good. Great work.
My favourite Ukulele Teacher watches Video Essays! That's great!
I drink your milkshake
I don't think you give Red River enough credit. John Wayne utilized his masculinity to a consequential degree in Red River. His confidence and masculinity actually fails him. He doesn't get what he wants by the end of Red River, he abides by his surrogate son's achievements which were always a contradiction of his own goals. His masculinity actually masked his love for his surrogate son, only resolved in the ending when he admitted defeat to him.
Red River had 1 message: *NOBODY* can ignore tremendous stress. It takes its toll, no matter who you are. Sooner or later, it will collect its "pound of flesh"...
My favourite movie of all time
The Birdcage?
TWBB. Perfect film.
Nopetorious D.I.C. me too fam
I watched There Will Be Blood recently and thought it was a great piece of cinema. Day-Lewis and Dano both put on exceptional performances.
I like how you explained John Wane as the fantasy version of the male control narrative and then contrasted it with TWBB as the more realistic version of that narrative. I wasn't sure if it was going to tie together, but it totally did!
This is the first review I've seen on your channel. Well done, dude.
All of his video essays are really good theyre worth a binge watch. You'll lose track of time theyre so good.
One of the best movies ever made. Daniel Day Lewis is freaking amazing in this film and also the music in this film just sets the tone so well.
Voice actors are rarely credited for the amazing work they do. They're actors just the same, and they lure us into virtual worlds that would utterly fail without them.
Mel Blanc, Rob Paulsen, Dave Fennoy, Michael Gould...
Wow! A UA-camr commenting on Actors playing with multiple roles in movies.
I am so surprised you are not actually playing in any films yourself. Well done! Bravo!
John Wayne talking off camera is a trick because audio and video originally were recorded separately and had to be synced.
Having him off screen removes the need to sync.
I like the video but you're ascribing complex meaning where a simpler answer is needed.
A buddy of mine in college was having some people over and asked to borrow a film. I lent him "There Will Be Blood." He returns it once they all leave and goes "what the f*** was that? Nobody even talks for like 30 minutes." I tell him "you asked to borrow a film. I gave you one of the best films ever made. You want words, go to a play."
Jason Sams I mean, there’s movies you watch alone and movies you watch when your friends come over, TWBB is for the former occasion.
@@skepticmonkey6923 o couldnt agree more, this is definitely not the movie you want to watch with a pack of friends. i experienced that and its the most awful thing ever when you watch a masterpiece movie the most insane scenes are happening and your stupid friends are talking about potato chips they are eating. FUCK THAT.
Great analysis, and excellent selection of clips.
But I wish you didn't stretch the 4x3 aspect of the older movies to fit the 16x9 UA-cam viewer. It makes John Wayne look weird.
10:00 Give me a break! Plainview is drunk. He is a truly human character in all its flawed beauty.
He’s a raging alcoholic. He will never not be again. His mind and body is decimated by not only that, but the years of chipping rock, breaking his back. I can’t even articulate how much the DP character means to me.
Never watched a Wayne film and may never, but There Will Be Blood is a masterpiece of cinema and will only shine brighter with time.
Saying that apologising is a sign of weakness is like what the video said; it’s unrealistic and dangerous, and can be detrimental to resolving conflict and improving relationships.
Good and insightful. However, the answer cannot be that dominance hierarchies are bad. I think the point of older movies was to show an ideal of a good man in charge. The point of the 'There Will Be Blood' is to show a pathological dominance. Being strong is not wrong--only the desire that no one else succeed. So they are addressing the same issue from different angles.
There Will Be Blood comes from a novel written by an anarchist and you think dominance hierarchies are bad isn't the point?
This film was incredible
Whats strange about this analysis is the disregard for the wall between the production of the film and the film universe itself. I think it's just a liberty with language, but you refer to characters as controlling the direction and filming of the scene (and also to actors controlling the course of the story), neither of which are the case. Clearly, what you are referring to is how the actors and directors worked together to give or take control to and from characters in the narrative, but the way you describe it blurs this distinction.
I totally agree though I don't know much about film making, I got this weird feeling from the analysis that there was a confusion somewhat. He makes good points in the video though, just misdirected imo.
They're talking about how the visual narrative is told in relation to the portrayal of the characters, like how how the film tells a subconscious story outside of just the words being spoken and the actions being done by each character (and subtly manipulates the viewer into having subconscious thoughts and feelings about it).
The video doesn't actually suggest that the characters are directing or the actors controlling the course of the story. It's just an easier way of speaking about visual storytelling analysis.
Vocal control like this isn't just for acting, as someone who spent a career in law enforcement as a Corrections Officer, I can tell you mastery of vocal control was essential in my line of work, almost as much as anything else. I was in a room, locked in with 42 inmates at a time and the noise could be quite overwhelming between the three televisions, and just 42 people talking. You needed to be able to project your voice, not yell, but project, but to also when needed, convey a thought, order or request in as few words as possible, as plainly as possible, and the way to keep tensions down, without sounding corny, was to talk somewhat like John Wayne. Maybe not with his method of speaking and the words he used, but by keeping vocal control, your voice at a certain pitch, and by delivering what you want to say in as few words as possible. You never wanted to waste words, stammer or hesitate.
John Wayne only played variations on one character for his entire career, and that character was John Wayne. . . and he was consistently good at it.
Well, it sure isn't acting imho. Genghis Kahn oh look it's John Wayne, Stagecoach oh yeah John Wayne, True Grit Green Beret John Wayne. Supposed to be acting, it's called acting for a reason, not to be yourself. Wouldn't waste my time or money on one of his movies. I've seen several Daniel Day-Lewis, he always becomes the characters he plays.
Daniel is a god amongst men, legendary actor.
I just realised something........
Daniel Day Lewis' actual voice is unknown.....
It's known, you can hear it in interviewes. Surpisingly unpleasant (in my opinion)
he pretty much uses his regular voice in Phantom Thread if you haven't seen that yet
Its quite a calming middle class English accent
No its not...
I actually love your videos you ignited my passion for movies again and enabled me to watch them in a whole new light! I’d love it for you to analyse movies like Garden of Words or 5cm per Second I know they are anime but there’s a lot of deep meaning in them and they are very technical
Very important point is the start of the film. When he gets hurt - he doesn't make a sound. He never wastes his voice, not even one bit, if no one will hear him.
That makes it ever harder for him when the boy goes deaf. He talks into his ear, but the boy can't hear him.
Fascinating how you were able to juxtapose a wooden, monotone, persona with the greatest screen actor that ever lived. Perhaps you were able to do that by completely omitting the contributions of the editor, cinematographer, screenwriter and director to any finished performance. Interestingly, you also completely negated the fact that the studio system, and then audience expectation had much more control over the Duke, than he ever had of his voice or delivery. This is the exact opposite of the control, and then pure relinquishing of control that DDL has exhibited in every one of his performances. Only someone with the striking combination of an extreme self-delusion and an equal lack of taste could possibly dream of comparing John Wayne to Daniel Day Lewis. Bravo!
When your ad is mid video it really takes out the flow. Maybe you could put it at the beginning.
how do you live without adblock on youtube?
also the ad is in the end and part of the video
the _first 700 people to click the link part_ is disgusting
2:07 - 2:13 I laughed out loud seeing that death stare out of context
You make it like the actor has control over the script, dialog, and editing...
Has anyone else noticed that in this movie even in the good happy bits of it it’s playing ominous drone music but at the end, the most disbolical scene, it plays upbeat happy music
Paul Dano showed he can act with the best in this movie. There will be blood is absolutely in my top 5 all time fav, Daniel Day is in my top 5 of actors, but the fact that Paul could keep up with DDL this early in his career really says alot. Such a good movie.
This is why I'm bothered when Bruce Wayne (the real one, not the playboy facade) is portrayed as a nice dude in the films. In reality someone so powerful and so obsessed with control would be a very difficult person to be around, even if they weren't malicious or self-serving. It's telling that the guy he gets along with the most is a professional servant :D
Mark Arandjus I always thought the Keaton take was better for this reason. Whenever he’s Bruce he always feels a little off, like he’s almost uncomfortable in his own skin. Bale’s version has too much on the nose exposition but portrays zero subtext.
I thought it was pretty clear that he was a difficult person since, as you said, a professional servant is the only person that ever hangs with him for more than 10 minutes. He's a good dude, but people definitely don't like him (assuming he ever even acts like himself or knows how to).
Nice...and difficult to be around...aren't mutual exclusive.
So you have no point.
Not to mention...Bruce isn't depicted as being nice to be around.
The only people he spends personal time with in the Nolan films are his butler and someone he's known since he was a kid. That's it.
He spends some time with Gordon and Fox but that's Batman business. They aren't just hanging out.
None of that points to "Wow, he's a really great guy that everyone wants to hang out with"
That second John Wayne scene was similar to the shining scene on the stairs.
Unless I'm missing something, I tend to disagree with what you're saying. You say he loses vocal control, he loses mastery of the scene because he yells, speaks erratically, and engages in what one might call "silly walks", but that was the intention here, so it wasn't a loss of mastery, but a mastery of what was intended, as it was all done quite well. His vocal control, his silly walk, his drooling and insanity were all intended to incite revulsion and anxiousness in the audience. You can't consider something a loss when it succeeds in what it intended.
Just saw this movie for the first time. Daniel Plainview is one of the best characters I've ever seen. Complex and dyanamic, he shows his true colors as the film progresses.
This video brings up an interesting point about how voices command attention in film, but I think a more interesting thing is how this same method works in real life. It's a huge simplification to just say 'talk with confidence', but there are ways I've found with how you use inflection and timing with what you say to make people listen.
look up gary oldman's EVERYONE for a real lesson in vocal control
Gary Oldman is so underrated it's crazy.
Indeed talk about vocal control..
Drexl? Anyone?... then..
Korshunov?...
Zorg?...
Dracula, Beethoven, lee Harvey Oswald, Churchill....?!
Comm.Gordon, Sirius Black
All in a different voice...
Best immo...
There are actors who have distinctive and compelling voices and personas: John Wayne, Clint Eastwood, Bruce Willis, Vin Diesel. You know what you're going to get from them in their movies but the larger movie itself can be great and they can be convincing in their roles.
Then there are actors who play a wide range of characters and transform their voices and mannerisms to fit the role: Daniel Day Lewis, Meryl Streep, Dustin Hoffman, Tom Hanks, Laurence Olivier. These actors are in a different league altogether and I don't think John Wayne would argue the point.
I would not call what John Wayne does vocal control. It's his voice with a little added flair. What DDL and Meryl Streep do is real vocal control in the service of legendary performances.
Good Job :) and happy holidays
Fun fact: The iconic John Wayne voice wasn’t his real voice. He’s mimicking Wyatt Earp. As Earp was a big fan of filmmaking and frequented film sets. Wayne shaped his whole persona around Earp.
I think the same thing about how Elvis sings. He created a distinctive singing voice. Now everyone can sing pretty much like him and be recognized.