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how about making a scale model of the pyramid of gizah and test out the theory of that engineer that the pyramid could function as a device like this and generate a charge?
I'm interested in seeing how to create a magnet without using other magnets; basically, producing current without a magnet and using that current to create a magnet.
@@basdewank3555 I know how an electromagnet works, I wanted to see how to bootstrap an electric generator without having access to magnet and power plugs...
Did you ever fix the instant-exploding prop on your recent project? I lost it when that thing blew up o.o edit: only really came back to edit my comment lol.(the one on the video, not this comment... I'm shutting up lmao)
1:02 but switzerlands flag is positively charged! and Austria is negatively charged! and due to them containing Liechtenstein in the center of the System we can assume that Lichtenstein is the true neutral country
That's fairly incredible, thank you so much for sharing this! I've always been a big fan of living off-grid, and while this is definitely not enough power to run anything large (at this scale), I'd be willing to bet you could extract some serious power over time with a large model. I'd love to see the voltage used to charge a larger high voltage capacitor (or maybe stepped down to charge a small battery)! Keep inspiring, man!
Nice! It will be very interesting to see all the waiter devices come together. Usually people leak water into their electrical systems, however you leak electrons out of your water systems.
Another sort of related static generator in the video Armstrong's Electrostatic Boiler kind of reminded me of the Kelvin water dropper using partially condensed steam to create a charge or water droplets being swept out by escaping steam. In reading about the Armstrong Effect on Wikipedia, he also used compressed air producing a similar effect. The steam version produced 22 inch sparks and interestingly had glass legs that were 3.5 inches diameter and 3 feet high.
I'd love to see this (your) whole setup scaled up using a tiny waterfall on a stream. You could practically power a house if you use solar power style charge controllers. Love it! Keep up the great work!
Your videos just keep getting better and better Jay! Both in editing/structure etc AND in content! I can always expect fun rabbit hole adventures to follow after watching one of your videos. This one is no exception. Had never heard of this type of generator
Thanks Justin! I’m trying to mix things up a bit, because it’s why I started this channel in the first place! Glad you’ve stuck with me for so long, seriously.
The most often mistakes people make on super low power sources like this, is not taking into account sharp edges. You'll notice every single electronic component in my build is smooth, with no sharp edges. Sharp edges leak away high voltage charge really quickly. That's not an issue if you're dealing with high power levels. But these generators create a fraction of a single watt of power. Sharp edges may be your killer.
Nice episode. You can eliminate the chance factor with the triboelectric effect. Just put a plastic ring/collar inside the top right and bottom left to strip electrons off the water on that side. I've seen this done with two pairs of rings, so that the water passing through the second one neutralizes before going into a container. This is the first time I've seen the containers used as capacitor for the discharge. That might be slowing your charge collection, but it's an interesting effect.
you would upload this video after i spent the entire day before watching youtube videos about electrostatic generators, one of which depicted this very phenomenon you are demonstrating here. i can't get over these all-too-frequent synchronicities.
That's super cool Jay , you'll be building something like moisture in a bubble and a nylon brush spinning wheel producing lightning next , not sure how though maybe warm air and cool moist air . Also probably explains why in my house growing up I got a small electric shock turning the shower tap off.
Thanks Jay.... another great video... That idea of using water to create a monster build sounds crazily interesting... Water, generator feeding a Mark's feeding a piped power extender.... I'd love to see that one....
I gotta say I'm always fascinated by what you do but I really love that I know that you do way more than what we see and I can tell because your hands are always really roughed up like mine are lol and that shows real determination
Yes, I would absolutely LOVE to see all three projects come together as one. I'd also love to see you take the results from that, and power an electrical device.
1) Why is there only a small difference in voltage, despite the size difference. 2) How much can you increase the power of your smaller scale model? 3) Can you combine the power of more than one of the small ones, and generate more power? 4) Can you reach 10kv, without increasing the size of your model? 5) Can you store that energy in a battery for later use? 6) Finally, what practical uses are there in this application (It is small and compact, pleasant to look at and easy to build)
A long time ago I started drawing up a 3d printed water path for a water Tesla coil I didn’t think it would work but if you wanna add it to the system.
The problem with your theory of operation is that whilst, at any given instance, one stream may have more (say) +ve ions than the other stream, over a short period of time the number of +ve and -ve ions in either stream will balance out, unless there's some mechanism that drives ions of a particular charge to one specific stream. The operation reminds me of the Wimshurst machine, and I suspect it's more closely related to the operation of that than to what you suggested.
probably would work better with salt water, just more ions to work with. Also, laminar flow seems to be the key if the apparatus needs to push the ions back upstream. Actually, the slowest laminar flow would be optimal. I love the idea of combining all your ideas together, cant wait to see the the updates.
When it comes to coffee if I'm drinking it for the energy I'll go black and if I'm drinking it for enjoyment I'll add just a little bit of sugar and sometimes creamer or 'creamer'. The type and brand of coffee is also important, I've never been a fan of Maxwell House coffee (others seem to love it). I have always liked Folgers for a cheaper coffee and Starbucks actually does make some good higher end coffee (I know there's probably better high end coffees out there but I'm usually cheap and when I do want something higher end Starbucks is the easiest option).
Jay have you ever made a calibrated electrostatic voltmeter (you know like the 2 pith balls type of thing)? It would be great to actually measure the voltage generated by your devices, using a similarly simple meter)
Lord Kevin would be proud of your elegant design. Have you checked the acrylic for a surface charge? Now, if you could pump the water back up but the stream would have to become drops so the water is isolated electrical, that would make a very nice improvement.
@@PlasmaChannel I personally find a sick sense of enjoyment out of saying the most absurd statements that actually happened And my friend, that's not the most absurd way of saying that "Utilizing a single ion from water to generate a few kV by passing it through magnetic rings" is one attempt Everyone knows of hydro energy but omg who would've thought the random negligible difference would ever matter I'd say "the difference would cancel itself out before you can say "I thought you're not supposed to have water next to exposed electricity" Sorry for the rant but... It really is one positively absolutely brilliant chunk of insanity
Around the 5 minute mark, the Polar Molecule Static Electric Field Demo video has a comparison of polar and non-polar liquids, how they respond to static electricity. It was interesting to see how the alcohol compared to water.
I have always considered these to be somewhat mind boggling myself. Just the thought that a few stray charges can self amplify a field with a small input of energy. Amazing.
That's such a wild concept. Can you add a funnel to keep the water from diverting too far outward and widen the spark gap to get bigger sparks? May have to try this
Very nice implementation of Lord Kelvin's generator! Imagine beefing up that spark by collecting the charge in a capacitor, and feed the capacitor output in series with the spark gap and primary winding of a Tesla coil... you see where I'm going with this right? Water / coffee powered Tesla coil! Though the sparks would be intermittent, every several seconds you should get some very brief streamers out of the secondary topload. If that works, perhaps use the output of the Tesla coil to further ionize the water tray that is the source of your Kelvin generator.... more power!
When gluing acrylic, to avoid the 'watching paint dry' wait. I have a thought that it can be sped up to almost instant using an aerosol of......... umm well unfortunately my knowledge hasn't allowed for the retention of just exactly what is in aerosol form, but trust me it does exist. Just an idea for you I thought I'd share. Keep up the fantastically interesting and informative videos. Andy, NZ.
My internet was down for 4 days and then a ton of videos to catch up on but this is the first I wanted to see and it sure was not a disappointment. I knew of this effect before but never tried it. Got an email today that the scope I won is due early to mid-August! Can't wait... : ) PS- I dislike coffee too...
Just a small positive and negative ions can cause distructions...🔥🔥..Jay, Accelerate the early cycle by adding some positive and negative ions to the steel cups..also explain how did you add them ...
If the device is improved upon to create a more efficient capacitor parallel to the two cups, you get an amount of stored energy in joules (watt * second) that is equal to 1/2*C*V^2. Perhaps when using a switched capacitor principle a momentary charging is taking place and only a partial voltage of the total voltage is stored. That might be an idea todo energy harvesting. And prevents the high voltage breakdown voltage between the cups. It takes some time and some fancy electronics but i think that in the end you can charge a battery with it and power electronics. Pure clean energy from potential gravitation energy. This is a great idea for students. You can use rainwater for it. Use a filter to remove large particles to prevent clogging of the waterdroplet tips and use tubing that has a titanium dioxide coating that will react to sunlight(UV) to kill algea and bacteria and keep the device clean. Those tubes will then supply the filtered and cleaned water to the storage tank on top. Just an idea. 😊 The switched capacitor technique will be the challenge to be overcome. If you ever get it to work, you can put this in all gardens and houses (many in parallel to increase the amount of power) and have clean energy everywhere where there is a lot of rain. It will not replace real power stations. But it will help a lot.
As it is configured now, the polarity of the rings would switch randomly. This would be an excellent random number generator if the each polarity state per unit time were stored sequentially as a computer word from least significant bit to most significant bit.
That Philipp Ogris water dropper you commented on sure shines for length of spark and at one point in a gentle rain and thunder no less, in a beautiful mountainous setting. It might be fun to try and double that. If you have seen Bill Beaty's Kelvin water dropper thoughts, he has an inline version and other hints. About 10 years ago I made a clip of a 13 inch spark using a piece of pvc rubbed with a paper towel sleeved over the tubing. It was good practice on how to keep the charges you make from leaking away. Thinking about a water dropper, it seems there's room for many fun variations and methods one could try to improve upon. And too, there're corporations like Accio Energy attempting to harvest energy from the wind using the principle. Anyway, if i had a few more parts and motivation, I'd like to make something with clean lines and fancy like yours, with new variations.
Thanks for the input! Do you mind emailing me? I'd love to learn more about these adventures of yours with storing charge. My email is in the "About" tab of my channel page.
Can you investigate Stanley Meyer's water fuel cell? (just a suggestion) I don't have enough background to analyze or understand his design. My understanding is, he pulsed the plates with high voltage at a resonant frequency that caused the water to split into H2 and O2. However, I've been taught that it takes more energy to split the water, than you get back during recombination of the 2 molecules. Can resonance be the answer? Tesla was able to nearly destroy his building with his Earthquake machine. Myth Busters had to stop their version of Tesla's experiment, on a bridge, as it was starting to get dangerous.
You mentioned that it’s the minute charge imbalance between the streams that kicks things off. Could you help this along with some electrodes and a bit of DC in the top tank? Love the way you blend science and art
Thanks a ton! I'm starting to realize i'm more of an art channel than a science channel haha. Yes, if you kick start the process manually, it would help.
Could you improve the HV generator by biasing the flow of ions in the water tank spouts? If you placed a permanent magnet in the water tank with the north end near one spout entrance and the south end near the other spout entrance, would the water ions favor one spout over the other cations therefore improving the ionic bias quality of the water streams.
Hey Jay! I am amazed and I never thought of water carrying charges. I am still a little puzzled for some reason how the waters charges are extracted from the Hydrogen and 2 parts Oxygen and the mineral contaminants. How does it do this exactly? How does the charges get extracted from the Hydrogen and 2 parts Oxygen and Mineral contaminants? Or are you using distilled water? This is quite fascinating to me and I am puzzled a little bit. Where do the charges gather and where do the charges get stripped from? I think a video going in depth on this topic is definitely needed. This is pretty cool stuff. I am interested in seeing a video on what the limits are on this kind of high voltage power supply. I am also interested in seeing a video that uses all of these water methods in creating a circuit. One that could be used very nicely. I am also interested in seeing what this is capable of as far as what the maximum voltage level is for this kind of thing if it indeed has a limit. I liked the clips showing what how you acted right when it finally works. It shows just how much people like you and me put into experiments and projects and what a relief we feel when we finally figure it out. I loved the additional clip about the plexiglass and how long it takes for these take to cure and weld together. This is quite the video and I loved the new transition scenes you used with the oceans and the backgrounds. This was a great step and I like it. Keep up the great work Jay, and keep it classy and sparky :) - Mr. Smith Stay classy :) I'll see you in the next video. And I hope to see a video on these being tested to their boundaries and to see if a better laminar flow and a higher fall distance effects the voltage or current generated. It would also be interesting to see what current is being delivered from the charges building up. It would be interesting to see if one were to happen to be shocked by this, would it be a shock like one from a whimshurst machine, or if it would be like a shock from a moderate standard tazer.
Aside from those garden hose shower nozzles with literally hundreds of tiny holes which are very much like espresso coffee cup filters, it occurred to me those leftover rapid fill multiple water balloon toys that are a cluster of tiny straws might be another way worth trying to increase spark length. One of the ones I have has 37 long thin straws that thread/adapt to a garden hose. Another brand has the straws arranged in a gradually increasing spiral pattern. To space out the straws I saw a 5 inch steel shower drain screen with an array of tiny holes the straws fit into. I bought some very thin teflon tubing that sleeves inside the straws which increases the velocity of the spray. There's a video of small diameter teflon tubing with water and nitrogen gas pumped through it to form bubbles that create a visible spark. It was a clip on electrostatic discharge safety. You can also make sparks by pumping steam through teflon tubing. And a teflon tipped syringe is used to impart a charge on water whereby an astronaut shows how these formed water drops will orbit some polyethylene and teflon knitting needles in the weightlessness of space.
If you haven't seen it you can watch the UA-cam video "Science off the Sphere: Knitting needle experiment" that experiment in space and hear it in a Texas accent. ha It's kind of interesting. I used to live in the Pacific Northwest and it's be funny to try a Kelvin water dropper arrangement on a small divided waterfall just to be different, if you could get it to work with some metal hoops and whatnot.
Here's another kind of static generator involving flow through a tube I learned firsthand, maybe of interest. I was discharging an old fire extinguisher bought at a flea market, one with a long horn at the end of a rubber hose with rusted wire mesh reinforcement underneath the rubber, discovered when cutting the tubing off, just wanting the tank for another experiment. I got zapped a few times and decided to put a cloth over the handle in order to continue emptying it. It only took a few good shocks to decide to this wasn't going to work. I later put the tank on the ground as well as more cloth over the handle when discharging it. There was the typical white cloud of vapor and white snowy flakes that formed, along with several more distinct discharges of static that could be heard in the cone, like shorting a capacitor. In reading about CO2 static from fire extinguishers ... "Anyone that is trained to use CO2 should also be trained in the hazard associated with static discharge. Large wheeled units have knocked down operators when the hose bonding wire had been damaged." "CO2 fire extinguisher discharge hoses are manufactured with a braided continuous wire inside. If the wire in the hose is damaged, the buildup of static electricity can't be dissipated and the operator may experience a shock. This is particularly true if the fire extinguisher is being discharged while being carried up off the ground. That is why NFPA 10 requires that a continuity test be performed on the hose at the time of maintenance ..."
Did you measure the potential between the two handles of the cups? Was there any thought to add any type of recirculation of the collection vessels to refill the 'battery' at the top of the stand? Although, if there was a cycle, it may be possible that this would negate the differential between the two charged areas and thus negate the power generation.
Jake, great thoughts. So, the energy out is actually far less than the energy placed into the system with gravitational potential energy. If you used the high voltage out to feed water back to the top, you'd likely see less than 1% return.
When Veritasium made a video about this, a few years ago, I started building some components for building one. I never finished it, but I might start again now. Thanks, and well done !
Hi Timo, yeah I think I know what video you're talking about. It always bugged me that their setup was so big, yet had such a small spark. Thanks for the compliments.
I seen a high school girl do it years ago, she was using a 2 speed water pump and when the pump is on high it creates a spark faster. My landlord told me my contraption had to go. So it all got taken apart.
Nifty AF ! & as always. Though IMO the absolute simplest/DIY HI voltage apparatus is friction gizmo consisting of a piece of fur rubbing a spinning pvc pipe near a tinfoil comb on a copper pipe plus a Leyden jar type cap. 6+ in sparks are possible with a well designed one. Just Say'n, perhaps even Supa Saiyan. 😅
What are the effects of heating vs cooling the base water? Could you reverse the flow of the water as steam and produce a similar reaction or is it going to be too dense to produce Ionic pressure when making power?
That is a super sweet build...One question about the build when the water or coffee flow's through...do you remove the cups and refill the reservoir at the top?
I made one 25 years ago. Used plumbing parts and baked bean tins. Why in the shot shown that the spark could not be seen as the water deflected back? The cup handles where not fully shown. Edit and replace.
It was hard to see the spark when so much light was on the water. For the video, I needed tons of light to show the water / coffee streams on camera. But, that meant you could not see the sparks due to the bright light.
Hi David, the water tubing certainly can be wires instead of water. I just chose water to add to the theme, and, make my own unique twist on the device.
I don't know who you are and where you are from... But, i would have really loved to learn science from you... Brilliant!! Hats off to you... Amazing demonstrations ... Lots of Love from India... 🌹🌹🌹
So is this basically saying that when we men are peeing and the stream comes out split in two we have to be careful that we don't discharge electric Sparks?
I wonder if the spark gap could be passed thru a high voltage transformer stepping the spark down and giving a low voltage high current spike that could be run thru a rectifier and provide a decent output...and if the spark rate could be increased to say 60~hz if it could use those pulsating dc spike to actually create a power source...stepped down of course
Yes the ad or the commercial guy is selling a pay triad with a par tuition Uhh Yes I'll drive your refrigerator Yes I'll drive your yeti But no slushes? No flurries? No ices? No snow cones? No frosties?
This is just too cool. I had never heard of this generator, so thank you for sharing this. If you grew out your hair and grew a beard, Kyle Hill would have competition as to who really is Science Thor. PS - I still need to dig that old 90s bug zapper out of my basement.
Still no video notification (yes bell is on), at least this time i saw it on my main YT feed. I live for anyting plasma! keep up the awesome content Jay
Has something to do with how lightning is generated in the clouds made of water during a thunderstorm. You made a small, scale model of a mini thunderstorm.
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Can you charge things with it? Like batteries?
Why steel and not copper
how about making a scale model of the pyramid of gizah and test out the theory of that
engineer that the pyramid could function as a device like this and generate a charge?
I'm interested in seeing how to create a magnet without using other magnets; basically, producing current without a magnet and using that current to create a magnet.
@@Beregorn88 use steel and rap it round with copper and bring the copper in contact with electric an you got an electromagnet
@@basdewank3555 I know how an electromagnet works, I wanted to see how to bootstrap an electric generator without having access to magnet and power plugs...
Well Jay, you litterally used coffee to get that extra jolt of energy !
May you make a video extracting energy from tomatoes
Did you ever fix the instant-exploding prop on your recent project? I lost it when that thing blew up o.o edit: only really came back to edit my comment lol.(the one on the video, not this comment... I'm shutting up lmao)
Use melting aluminum to build a rocket novels
Hey @Integza how about we try it with tomato pulp😂😎
And now you need to do it with tomatoes, much success!
Ooh! Almost missed this video! Awesome build!!!
Indeed :)
dooo a video i didnt get this.
Thanks Mehdisaurus Rex. Give the build a try. You can do it so much simpler than I did. Takes 10 minutes.
Yes son me too 😂🤣
@@PlasmaChannel yes
1:02 but switzerlands flag is positively charged!
and Austria is negatively charged!
and due to them containing Liechtenstein in the center of the System we can assume that Lichtenstein is the true neutral country
Cool
That's fairly incredible, thank you so much for sharing this! I've always been a big fan of living off-grid, and while this is definitely not enough power to run anything large (at this scale), I'd be willing to bet you could extract some serious power over time with a large model. I'd love to see the voltage used to charge a larger high voltage capacitor (or maybe stepped down to charge a small battery)! Keep inspiring, man!
absolutely agree, what can we do with all the voltage to store it. absolutely cool stuff here.
Nice! It will be very interesting to see all the waiter devices come together. Usually people leak water into their electrical systems, however you leak electrons out of your water systems.
Some call me the master herder.
Another sort of related static generator in the video Armstrong's Electrostatic Boiler kind of reminded me of the Kelvin water dropper using partially condensed steam to create a charge or water droplets being swept out by escaping steam. In reading about the Armstrong Effect on Wikipedia, he also used compressed air producing a similar effect. The steam version produced 22 inch sparks and interestingly had glass legs that were 3.5 inches diameter and 3 feet high.
That's a really cool idea! Never heard of that, definitely doing a video on it now. Thanks
I'd love to see this (your) whole setup scaled up using a tiny waterfall on a stream. You could practically power a house if you use solar power style charge controllers. Love it! Keep up the great work!
Wow....
I'm going to build that someday...
Wow...
Wow...
Incredible! I'll have to watch a few more times to fully understand, but that's so cool.
Your videos just keep getting better and better Jay!
Both in editing/structure etc AND in content!
I can always expect fun rabbit hole adventures to follow after watching one of your videos. This one is no exception. Had never heard of this type of generator
Thanks Justin! I’m trying to mix things up a bit, because it’s why I started this channel in the first place! Glad you’ve stuck with me for so long, seriously.
@@PlasmaChannel It's been a great ride and I look forward to continuing on!
that was amazing.
Damn that was amazing, really looking forward to your next video combining the previous models!! Kudos brother🙌🏼
In the past I made alot of Lord Kelvins Generators, but they never worked. Now I know what I need to do. Thanks!!
Yes i too built one but it never worked .
Now it works thanks to this video
Can we know what mistake you did last time
The most often mistakes people make on super low power sources like this, is not taking into account sharp edges. You'll notice every single electronic component in my build is smooth, with no sharp edges. Sharp edges leak away high voltage charge really quickly. That's not an issue if you're dealing with high power levels. But these generators create a fraction of a single watt of power. Sharp edges may be your killer.
This is absolute genius !! Thanks a lot for this video !
Thanks!
Nice episode. You can eliminate the chance factor with the triboelectric effect. Just put a plastic ring/collar inside the top right and bottom left to strip electrons off the water on that side.
I've seen this done with two pairs of rings, so that the water passing through the second one neutralizes before going into a container. This is the first time I've seen the containers used as capacitor for the discharge. That might be slowing your charge collection, but it's an interesting effect.
you would upload this video after i spent the entire day before watching youtube videos about electrostatic generators, one of which depicted this very phenomenon you are demonstrating here. i can't get over these all-too-frequent synchronicities.
Exact same thing..
That's super cool Jay , you'll be building something like moisture in a bubble and a nylon brush spinning wheel producing lightning next , not sure how though maybe warm air and cool moist air .
Also probably explains why in my house growing up I got a small electric shock turning the shower tap off.
When are we getting the combination of the three water videos!?
Haven't seen one of these videos in a while, good job keep up the good work
Thanks Jay.... another great video... That idea of using water to create a monster build sounds crazily interesting... Water, generator feeding a Mark's feeding a piped power extender.... I'd love to see that one....
Amazing breakdown, I love coffee...charges are everywhere.
You never cease to amaze. That was very interesting. Now on to build my own.
Thank you. if the video was shareworthy, feel free to share.
Been looking for ideas like this for a sailboat! Thank you 🙏
If you can combine all of those water experiments it will be truly innovative!
I gotta say I'm always fascinated by what you do but I really love that I know that you do way more than what we see and I can tell because your hands are always really roughed up like mine are lol and that shows real determination
Dude you truly are a perfectionist I am inspired by your truly beautiful setups and circuits.
Thank you. At this point im not sure if the perfectionism is helping me or killing me haha.
I haven't seen one of these this nice before. Work of art.
Connecting a high capacitance HV capacitor between the cups would have been great. Eardrum bursting BANG
Never knew you could generate electricity that way! Amazing video as always!😊
Yes, I would absolutely LOVE to see all three projects come together as one.
I'd also love to see you take the results from that, and power an electrical device.
1) Why is there only a small difference in voltage, despite the size difference.
2) How much can you increase the power of your smaller scale model?
3) Can you combine the power of more than one of the small ones, and generate more power?
4) Can you reach 10kv, without increasing the size of your model?
5) Can you store that energy in a battery for later use?
6) Finally, what practical uses are there in this application (It is small and compact, pleasant to look at and easy to build)
yes! 1 vote for bring on the complete Aquanator 5000 build.
Your explanation is amazing
A long time ago I started drawing up a 3d printed water path for a water Tesla coil I didn’t think it would work but if you wanna add it to the system.
It's likely not going to be efficient, but, should work.
Yes sir I will be anxiously waiting the outcome of all the knowledge put together
loved the demo mate, today I learned
The problem with your theory of operation is that whilst, at any given instance, one stream may have more (say) +ve ions than the other stream, over a short period of time the number of +ve and -ve ions in either stream will balance out, unless there's some mechanism that drives ions of a particular charge to one specific stream.
The operation reminds me of the Wimshurst machine, and I suspect it's more closely related to the operation of that than to what you suggested.
YES!! I've been wishing youd build one of these! And you didn't disappoint lol Great vid!
Ozymandias, thanks a ton! If it's shareworthy, feel free to share.
@@PlasmaChannel I shared it with all my friends
COOL!!!!! I've always wanted to build one of those!!
Best use of Crappy Coffee I have seen! That and as fertilizer...
That’s so compact. I’m building one. Thanks for the idea.
probably would work better with salt water, just more ions to work with. Also, laminar flow seems to be the key if the apparatus needs to push the ions back upstream. Actually, the slowest laminar flow would be optimal. I love the idea of combining all your ideas together, cant wait to see the the updates.
When it comes to coffee if I'm drinking it for the energy I'll go black and if I'm drinking it for enjoyment I'll add just a little bit of sugar and sometimes creamer or 'creamer'. The type and brand of coffee is also important, I've never been a fan of Maxwell House coffee (others seem to love it). I have always liked Folgers for a cheaper coffee and Starbucks actually does make some good higher end coffee (I know there's probably better high end coffees out there but I'm usually cheap and when I do want something higher end Starbucks is the easiest option).
Jay have you ever made a calibrated electrostatic voltmeter (you know like the 2 pith balls type of thing)? It would be great to actually measure the voltage generated by your devices, using a similarly simple meter)
Lord Kevin would be proud of your elegant design.
Have you checked the acrylic for a surface charge?
Now, if you could pump the water back up but the stream would have to become drops so the water is isolated electrical, that would make a very nice improvement.
I agree, should give that a try. As for the acrylic having a surface charge, that likely is the case
This is too brilliant and insane I would've never thought It'd work without seeing it
Any sane person would agree with you. Falling water making high voltage? Sounds insane. Love the concept though!
@@PlasmaChannel I personally find a sick sense of enjoyment out of saying the most absurd statements that actually happened
And my friend, that's not the most absurd way of saying that
"Utilizing a single ion from water to generate a few kV by passing it through magnetic rings" is one attempt
Everyone knows of hydro energy but omg who would've thought the random negligible difference would ever matter
I'd say "the difference would cancel itself out before you can say "I thought you're not supposed to have water next to exposed electricity"
Sorry for the rant but... It really is one positively absolutely brilliant chunk of insanity
the best project that i never see :) good good work
Around the 5 minute mark, the Polar Molecule Static Electric Field Demo video has a comparison of polar and non-polar liquids, how they respond to static electricity. It was interesting to see how the alcohol compared to water.
Thanks, I'll take a look
I have always considered these to be somewhat mind boggling myself. Just the thought that a few stray charges can self amplify a field with a small input of energy. Amazing.
That's what I thought too. Just amazing. A self-feeding cycle. I love physics.
That's such a wild concept. Can you add a funnel to keep the water from diverting too far outward and widen the spark gap to get bigger sparks? May have to try this
Wow, that is extremely curious, thank you for sharing ! Very useful in future !
That is just amazing 👏
OMG THAT’S BEAUTIFUL!
Very nice implementation of Lord Kelvin's generator! Imagine beefing up that spark by collecting the charge in a capacitor, and feed the capacitor output in series with the spark gap and primary winding of a Tesla coil... you see where I'm going with this right? Water / coffee powered Tesla coil! Though the sparks would be intermittent, every several seconds you should get some very brief streamers out of the secondary topload. If that works, perhaps use the output of the Tesla coil to further ionize the water tray that is the source of your Kelvin generator.... more power!
Jay this was a potential Video with high voltage Bro awesome experiment, God bless keep the good work going.
When gluing acrylic, to avoid the 'watching paint dry' wait. I have a thought that it can be sped up to almost instant using an aerosol of......... umm well unfortunately my knowledge hasn't allowed for the retention of just exactly what is in aerosol form, but trust me it does exist. Just an idea for you I thought I'd share. Keep up the fantastically interesting and informative videos. Andy, NZ.
My internet was down for 4 days and then a ton of videos to catch up on but this is the first I wanted to see and it sure was not a disappointment. I knew of this effect before but never tried it. Got an email today that the scope I won is due early to mid-August! Can't wait... : ) PS- I dislike coffee too...
Just a small positive and negative ions can cause distructions...🔥🔥..Jay, Accelerate the early cycle by adding some positive and negative ions to the steel cups..also explain how did you add them ...
If the device is improved upon to create a more efficient capacitor parallel to the two cups, you get an amount of stored energy in joules (watt * second) that is equal to 1/2*C*V^2. Perhaps when using a switched capacitor principle a momentary charging is taking place and only a partial voltage of the total voltage is stored. That might be an idea todo energy harvesting. And prevents the high voltage breakdown voltage between the cups. It takes some time and some fancy electronics but i think that in the end you can charge a battery with it and power electronics. Pure clean energy from potential gravitation energy. This is a great idea for students. You can use rainwater for it. Use a filter to remove large particles to prevent clogging of the waterdroplet tips and use tubing that has a titanium dioxide coating that will react to sunlight(UV) to kill algea and bacteria and keep the device clean. Those tubes will then supply the filtered and cleaned water to the storage tank on top. Just an idea. 😊 The switched capacitor technique will be the challenge to be overcome. If you ever get it to work, you can put this in all gardens and houses (many in parallel to increase the amount of power) and have clean energy everywhere where there is a lot of rain. It will not replace real power stations. But it will help a lot.
wow awesome, science is like magic
I cant wait to see all of them combined...!!
Question: Why saltwater filed tubes with magnets and not just copper wire???
As it is configured now, the polarity of the rings would switch randomly. This would be an excellent random number generator if the each polarity state per unit time were stored sequentially as a computer word from least significant bit to most significant bit.
Yeah, that would be excellent
wasn't there a steam version of that? I not quite sure, but that was able to generate up to M Volts of charge if i recall right
That Philipp Ogris water dropper you commented on sure shines for length of spark and at one point in a gentle rain and thunder no less, in a beautiful mountainous setting. It might be fun to try and double that. If you have seen Bill Beaty's Kelvin water dropper thoughts, he has an inline version and other hints.
About 10 years ago I made a clip of a 13 inch spark using a piece of pvc rubbed with a paper towel sleeved over the tubing. It was good practice on how to keep the charges you make from leaking away. Thinking about a water dropper, it seems there's room for many fun variations and methods one could try to improve upon. And too, there're corporations like Accio Energy attempting to harvest energy from the wind using the principle.
Anyway, if i had a few more parts and motivation, I'd like to make something with clean lines and fancy like yours, with new variations.
Thanks for the input! Do you mind emailing me? I'd love to learn more about these adventures of yours with storing charge. My email is in the "About" tab of my channel page.
I nothing against email but didn't want to sign up for another media platform to email.
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Can you investigate Stanley Meyer's water fuel cell? (just a suggestion)
I don't have enough background to analyze or understand his design.
My understanding is, he pulsed the plates with high voltage at a resonant frequency that caused the water to split into H2 and O2.
However, I've been taught that it takes more energy to split the water, than you get back during recombination of the 2 molecules.
Can resonance be the answer?
Tesla was able to nearly destroy his building with his Earthquake machine. Myth Busters had to stop their version of Tesla's experiment, on a bridge, as it was starting to get dangerous.
You mentioned that it’s the minute charge imbalance between the streams that kicks things off. Could you help this along with some electrodes and a bit of DC in the top tank?
Love the way you blend science and art
Thanks a ton! I'm starting to realize i'm more of an art channel than a science channel haha. Yes, if you kick start the process manually, it would help.
Great video Jay!
Thanks!
That would be awesome if you did a video combining all of your water based projects
So if you had a higher head and more pressurized jets would you get more charge out like a hydro powered electrostatic generator?
Could you improve the HV generator by biasing the flow of ions in the water tank spouts? If you placed a permanent magnet in the water tank with the north end near one spout entrance and the south end near the other spout entrance, would the water ions favor one spout over the other cations therefore improving the ionic bias quality of the water streams.
You certainly could bias it, though I’m not certain magnets would do the trick. Best to use electreks
Hey Jay! I am amazed and I never thought of water carrying charges. I am still a little puzzled for some reason how the waters charges are extracted from the Hydrogen and 2 parts Oxygen and the mineral contaminants. How does it do this exactly? How does the charges get extracted from the Hydrogen and 2 parts Oxygen and Mineral contaminants? Or are you using distilled water? This is quite fascinating to me and I am puzzled a little bit. Where do the charges gather and where do the charges get stripped from? I think a video going in depth on this topic is definitely needed. This is pretty cool stuff. I am interested in seeing a video on what the limits are on this kind of high voltage power supply. I am also interested in seeing a video that uses all of these water methods in creating a circuit. One that could be used very nicely. I am also interested in seeing what this is capable of as far as what the maximum voltage level is for this kind of thing if it indeed has a limit.
I liked the clips showing what how you acted right when it finally works. It shows just how much people like you and me put into experiments and projects and what a relief we feel when we finally figure it out. I loved the additional clip about the plexiglass and how long it takes for these take to cure and weld together. This is quite the video and I loved the new transition scenes you used with the oceans and the backgrounds. This was a great step and I like it. Keep up the great work Jay, and keep it classy and sparky :)
- Mr. Smith
Stay classy :)
I'll see you in the next video. And I hope to see a video on these being tested to their boundaries and to see if a better laminar flow and a higher fall distance effects the voltage or current generated. It would also be interesting to see what current is being delivered from the charges building up. It would be interesting to see if one were to happen to be shocked by this, would it be a shock like one from a whimshurst machine, or if it would be like a shock from a moderate standard tazer.
Aside from those garden hose shower nozzles with literally hundreds of tiny holes which are very much like espresso coffee cup filters, it occurred to me those leftover rapid fill multiple water balloon toys that are a cluster of tiny straws might be another way worth trying to increase spark length. One of the ones I have has 37 long thin straws that thread/adapt to a garden hose. Another brand has the straws arranged in a gradually increasing spiral pattern. To space out the straws I saw a 5 inch steel shower drain screen with an array of tiny holes the straws fit into. I bought some very thin teflon tubing that sleeves inside the straws which increases the velocity of the spray.
There's a video of small diameter teflon tubing with water and nitrogen gas pumped through it to form bubbles that create a visible spark. It was a clip on electrostatic discharge safety. You can also make sparks by pumping steam through teflon tubing. And a teflon tipped syringe is used to impart a charge on water whereby an astronaut shows how these formed water drops will orbit some polyethylene and teflon knitting needles in the weightlessness of space.
Whoa now. I need to do some reading on this. Sounds cool.
If you haven't seen it you can watch the UA-cam video "Science off the Sphere: Knitting needle experiment" that experiment in space and hear it in a Texas accent. ha
It's kind of interesting. I used to live in the Pacific Northwest and it's be funny to try a Kelvin water dropper arrangement on a small divided waterfall just to be different, if you could get it to work with some metal hoops and whatnot.
Here's another kind of static generator involving flow through a tube I learned firsthand, maybe of interest.
I was discharging an old fire extinguisher bought at a flea market, one with a long horn at the end of a rubber hose with rusted wire mesh reinforcement underneath the rubber, discovered when cutting the tubing off, just wanting the tank for another experiment. I got zapped a few times and decided to put a cloth over the handle in order to continue emptying it. It only took a few good shocks to decide to this wasn't going to work. I later put the tank on the ground as well as more cloth over the handle when discharging it.
There was the typical white cloud of vapor and white snowy flakes that formed, along with several more distinct discharges of static that could be heard in the cone, like shorting a capacitor. In reading about CO2 static from fire extinguishers ...
"Anyone that is trained to use CO2 should also be trained in the hazard associated with static discharge. Large wheeled units have knocked down operators when the hose bonding wire had been damaged."
"CO2 fire extinguisher discharge hoses are manufactured with a braided continuous wire inside. If the wire in the hose is damaged, the buildup of static electricity can't be dissipated and the operator may experience a shock. This is particularly true if the fire extinguisher is being discharged while being carried up off the ground. That is why NFPA 10 requires that a continuity test be performed on the hose at the time of maintenance ..."
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Did you measure the potential between the two handles of the cups? Was there any thought to add any type of recirculation of the collection vessels to refill the 'battery' at the top of the stand? Although, if there was a cycle, it may be possible that this would negate the differential between the two charged areas and thus negate the power generation.
Jake, great thoughts. So, the energy out is actually far less than the energy placed into the system with gravitational potential energy. If you used the high voltage out to feed water back to the top, you'd likely see less than 1% return.
if you had not explained the physics behind this concept, I would have thought its magic!
This is epic!
When Veritasium made a video about this, a few years ago, I started building some components for building one. I never finished it, but I might start again now. Thanks, and well done !
Hi Timo, yeah I think I know what video you're talking about. It always bugged me that their setup was so big, yet had such a small spark. Thanks for the compliments.
I seen a high school girl do it years ago, she was using a 2 speed water pump and when the pump is on high it creates a spark faster. My landlord told me my contraption had to go. So it all got taken apart.
Nifty AF ! & as always. Though IMO the absolute simplest/DIY HI voltage apparatus is friction gizmo consisting of a piece of fur rubbing a spinning pvc pipe near a tinfoil comb on a copper pipe plus a Leyden jar type cap. 6+ in sparks are possible with a well designed one. Just Say'n, perhaps even Supa Saiyan. 😅
Awesome video have you considered using sea water or an electrolytic solution instead of water?
What are the effects of heating vs cooling the base water? Could you reverse the flow of the water as steam and produce a similar reaction or is it going to be too dense to produce Ionic pressure when making power?
I wonder what would happen if you added an impeller to push the water through faster as the voltage builds. Would it continue increasing voltage?
That is a super sweet build...One question about the build when the water or coffee flow's through...do you remove the cups and refill the reservoir at the top?
Yes I do, correct. It's a bit messy, and water / coffee gets everywhere, but that's the general idea. Glad you enjoyed the video!
U build amazing things bro 🤜
I'm thinking this could power the motor that you used in your atmospheric electricity video, with a lot less trouble than using a quadcopter.
I made one 25 years ago. Used plumbing parts and baked bean tins. Why in the shot shown that the spark could not be seen as the water deflected back? The cup handles where not fully shown. Edit and replace.
It was hard to see the spark when so much light was on the water. For the video, I needed tons of light to show the water / coffee streams on camera. But, that meant you could not see the sparks due to the bright light.
Thank you for making videos.
Thank you very much for watching them. It’s the viewers, like you, who make it worth the work.
Hey Jay, could you point me in the right direction on how to wind a gate drive transformed. Thank
Could you use water to start a fire ?
Jay, have you tried it with tea??, Q. could the rings to cup connection be wire and not saline??
Hi David, the water tubing certainly can be wires instead of water. I just chose water to add to the theme, and, make my own unique twist on the device.
I don't know who you are and where you are from... But, i would have really loved to learn science from you... Brilliant!! Hats off to you... Amazing demonstrations ... Lots of Love from India... 🌹🌹🌹
So is this basically saying that when we men are peeing and the stream comes out split in two we have to be careful that we don't discharge electric Sparks?
the hell
OMG, it also works without coffee! Water only mode!
Enjoyed!! Thank you! What make you think to use coffee?
I guess… just to try something new
I wonder if the spark gap could be passed thru a high voltage transformer stepping the spark down and giving a low voltage high current spike that could be run thru a rectifier and provide a decent output...and if the spark rate could be increased to say 60~hz if it could use those pulsating dc spike to actually create a power source...stepped down of course
Not a bad idea. But, 60 hz sparks would be
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This is just too cool. I had never heard of this generator, so thank you for sharing this. If you grew out your hair and grew a beard, Kyle Hill would have competition as to who really is Science Thor.
PS - I still need to dig that old 90s bug zapper out of my basement.
Haha Kyle kill needs a bit more muscle. I need a bit more hair though..
Still no video notification (yes bell is on), at least this time i saw it on my main YT feed. I live for anyting plasma! keep up the awesome content Jay
Has something to do with how lightning is generated in the clouds made of water during a thunderstorm. You made a small, scale model of a mini thunderstorm.