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s she a damage increase over Zhongli for Navia+Furina+Xianyun. Also, is she a damage increase over Yunjin in Noelle+Gouro+Furina? Those are the two teams I would use her in.
@@THESocialJusticeWarrior She will be better than Zhongli if you don't struggle to survive. And she is a lot better than Yunjin especially with multiple enemies present. I'm not sure but I think Yelan/Furina/Noelle/Gorou is better but Idk I think Kachina, Noelle, Furina, Yelan could also be really good
8:48 Honestly i wasn’t very excited for Kachina at first but honestly she’s looking pretty cracked for a free 4 star, now surely Xilonen won’t immediately power-creep her, right?
@@ilikenewmeta9717I know about that, but those are just rumors, very likely to be true, but still let’s keep this comment section free from leaks and "rumors based on possible non-confirmed leaks" :)
I’m not a huge fan of having artifacts that incentivize pulling on the shiny new characters, but it makes sense from a monetization standpoint I guess lol
@BabyCalisthenics no, chiori is better than albedo. Her kit is altogether more focused than albedos, meaning she can put out more consistent damage. Zero hate to albedo, he gets the job done, but for geo teams chiori is always the better pick
I dont realy see it as buff. Current team is zhongli (geo res shread and shard maker) + Furina + Navia + Siegwinne (provides set damage buff + can heal up furina hp drain easy peasy)
I feel like Scroll Of The Hero Of Cinder City could possibly also be used by Noelle in teams where she is a driver or Albedo in teams where his personal damage doesn’t really matter. (And and maybe even Xingqiu, not now but in a possible future where he is played in a team with 3 other Natlan characters to constantly regenerate energy, after all the only reason why Emblem is his BIS nowadays is because how his ER% needs, in today’s meta his personal damage is negligible when compared to his potential buffing capabilities using the scroll set, so yeah as long as he can get his burst back then the new set should become Xingqiu’s BIS, ESPECIALLY if Mavuika pulls a Furina and enables everyone to trigger nightsoul burst/go into the nightsoul state to use these artifacts just how Furina gave everyone access to Maracheussee)
@@ilikenewmeta9717True, but that doesn’t mean that that can’t change, just release a Natlan character that wants the fastest Hydro application possible and that normal attacks and Xingqiu will thrive in that team. Xingqiu and Bennett, the 2 OG OP 4 star supports who contended for best character all the time until version 1.5 (and arguably even after that), Bennett seemed to be falling off during Sumeru, but with Fontaine releasing Lyney, Wriothesley, Navia, Gaming, Arlecchino, Clorinde and Emilie (and 5.0 bringing Kinich) he’s right back into the top of the meta, who’s to say that Natlan won’y do the same for Xingqiu later on? Idk, may be wishful thinking but if he ever becomes viable in non-Hyperbloom Natlan teams this set should be his BiS guaranteed
@@ATMEIDAREYAIDOUBLEDAREYA I do think he could improve with Future character releases but I'm a bit unsure. There doesn't seem to be any Natlan character that looks to have any particular synergy with him. Maybe Xblanque could revive XQ tho
Imagine C6Neuvillette Paired with C2R5 Sac Seigewinne who has Equipped 4p Petra (Straight from Zhongli) then 3rd slot is Kazhua with VV and Xipose Moonlight and last 4th Slot be: Xilonen with new Natlan support Artifact. So if we Calculate we will get: 35% Hydro Res Shred for 8s from Seigewinne. Due to R5 sac we will get 4 Hydro balls which will lead to 14s of non-stop Neuvillette Hydro pump. 4p petra set from Seigewinne will give 35% Elemental DMG Bonus (in this case Hydro) for 10s because of Crystallized reaction through Xilonen Kazhua we have classic VV res shred of Hydro and more Elemental DMG Bonus via Kazhua from Hydro Swirl. Xilonon with New Support Artifact will Give 40% Elemental DMG Bonus (Hydro) Due to Hydro Crystallized reaction. we will also get 40% Geo DMG bonus as well.
@@trainnubb7373 i don't think the 12% dmg bonus is big deal for Furina especially since she gives lots of dmg% bonus from her burst already. Plus, her being a non-Natlan character has no access to the extra 28% dmg bonus so it's a wasted passive on her.
I agree, using furina in a hyper carry as a pure support is a waste of her talent, you usually pair her up with a strong healer who doesn't have huge damage such as xianyun or baizu so a team wide damage share is already a waste
honestly loving how much i’m learning about Kachina and i’m looking forwards to her now than ever before. also another Kinich simp here. i just need a new twink lmao
I'm so hoping the archon is an off field pyro applier, and can use that new support set... My current team plan for Mualani is Mona, Benny, and Xiangling (I know Benny doesn't buff Mualani, but still good for healing and making Xiangling usable), and I don't think any of those three will be able to use the new set (Mona has instructor set), so if I can replace Xiangling and Bennet with the archon, and add a more synergistic sustain, that would be really nice. Baizou for burning perhaps? 🤔If there's enough pyro application I could replace Mona with Furina too! 🎉
Kachina is a treasure for my navia team specially cz I don't have chiori and use albedo with her which isn't much of a support but only resonance and shards, kachina is finally gonna make navia shine.🎉
I bet cinder city is going to go nicely on baizhu when used on one of the most popular abyss teams: nuev/furina/kazuha/baizhu. I'm personally not as interested in kachina as a navia buffer as I have a highly invested C2R1 chiori and I just enjoy running chiori in several teams anyway. But I'm excited that more people can enjoy how fun Navia is to play. The shotgun nukes are so fun.
2:20 I feel there is a bit of an issue here. At least from how the set reads. In order for Dehya to buff the other characters, SHE has to be the one that triggers the reaction. Now that doesn't sound too strange, but especially when I think of something like Ganyu-Melt, Ganyu is the one doing the reactions, not Dehya. Meaning in order to buff Ganyu's cryo Damage, you have to set it up with Dehya melting at the start of the rotation. Which isn't too big of an issue, since the effect lasts for 15s, so there should be a way to get that 18s cooldown for Dehya's skill involved with the other characters, but it's important to remember. Just putting down Dehya's elemental skill and then melting with Ganyu will NOT provide any buffs for Ganyu or any other character for that matter. Same issue with Nahida. Do NOT think you can buff your Ganyu in a burn-melt team when you put that set on Nahida. Now it's not hard to set up, it's literally impossible, because cryo and dendro have NO reactions. So all you are going to buff is pyro and dendro damage.
The equipping character needs to trigger the reaction, dehya will have to melt over ganyu's cryo aura and if nahida or emilie are the burning trigger then the set is useless on her in burning teams however it would be decent in burgeon/vape setup with enough hydro aura for dehya to vape. Its a support set for main dps that apply to much of their respective elements like neuvilette, ayaka, etc. Also the set suits elements that don't apply an underlying aura like anemo and geo.
Navia doesnt NEED ANY other geo character to be cracked and F2P friendly, it would be NICE to have another geo on the team yea but it's not really NEEDED because she is already cracked just solo
yes, but this grants her extreme accessibility, because TTDS ningguang was not really an ideal 4* choice kachina is as good as a C0R1 5* for navia, that’s quite a big deal! :D
"the equipping character triggers a reaction" isn't the wording makes it restrictive? for example, dehya in burn vape team would not trigger this effect for hydro.
cinder city with xilonen navia and furina plus xianyun may be good?? i would have my fav characters from fontaine and my fav natlan character up until now cause even being f2p i farmed 510 pulls and got my navia within 20 pulls so now im like wtf do i do with them XD
That most probably will be the best navia team depending on xilonen official kit. If you have enough you can get c2 xilonen or c2 pyro archon that will be the best investment
My biggest question(s) are what sets should be replaced with the new one? Does aggravate want this new set over instructor? Do we want Atk% etc goblets now if Kechina + Furina / Kazuha etc is on the team?
Cinder City is very exciting. 12% doesn't sound like a lot but DMG is the most premium stat in the game (more than even crit). I'm very excited for Cinder City for Anemo hypercarry. 12% isn't a lot on the carry, but part of any team is the team DPS. You generally have TotM Faruzan, a Noblesse, and a Song of Days Past if you can fit it. Now, we can pop out Song of Days Past (which is just so brutally underscaled) and put in Cinder City. In particular I was thinking C4 Jean with Cinder City and Freedom Sworn. 40% Shred, 20% ATK, 12% DMG, that is brutal. For the carry, also 16% NA DMG and 15% NA SPD. What makes it particularly enticing is that the 12% applies to ALL party members. Who are already sharing 20% ATK from TotM and 20% ATK from Noblesse (and 20% more when Freedom is up). Aggravate/Spread also benefits hugely from this set. DMG is especially premium in those teams. Team-wide buffs are also a premium in Quicken, due to how they work. Every teammate provides damage. However, Quicken diminishes ATK drastically, and the more EM the more it is diminished. Noblesse and TotM lose a lot of value. Having a DMG buff for those teams will be huge. Especially since there are very few electro buffers. One unit in particular that comes to mind is Baizhu. His damage is important in Quicken, but he lacks any source of DMG% (Golden Troupe doesn't work because half his damage is Burst). But he is capped at 71.6% DMG or 86.6% with Deepwood and 98.6 with his signature (which is just strictly worse than R5 Sacrificial Jade in Quicken so you're most likely going to be at 86.6%)... which really skews his golden ratio since Quicken inflates ATK so much. For example I use TotM Yae (same set from pre-Dendro lmfao) and Wandering Evenstar Nahida so there is ample EM and ATK going around. Putting Cinder City somewhere on a team with Baizhu will be a huge buff to his damage. Lisa will be an excellent carrier of the set with her 15% shred.
What if you used Cinder City Kachina in an electrocharged team, and triggered crystallize on both electro and hydro? I'm guessing this doesn't make her worth replacing a traditional anemo in a taser team, but there's probably some version where you could do both. (And under these circumstances, would Sucrose be better than Kazuha?)
Hm, I run Navia with Albedo (he’s the first 5* I’ve ever gotten), and either Furina+Charlotte or Bennett+Xiangling The new set will be perfect for Albedo, because he will be able to buff Navia, Furina and Xiangling, instead of running a dps set, which isn’t too good, because I didn’t farm good stats. The question is: will Kachina be better than Albedo. We’ll the question is rather how much better she is, since Albedo isn’t that good (for example his flower breaks often), but I really want to use him
kachina will be better, as she can access the full 40% buff due to having nightsoul, whereas albedo only has 12% edit: but! it’ll still work on albedo if you really wanna use him :)
@@Juice-chan, for some reason I didn’t realize that Kachina can utilize the full buff, so yeah, she seems much better Unfortunately I’ll probably bench Albedo again, but he did serve me very well in early years of genshin (his flower helped a lot with the exploration), so I think he deserves some rest Other than that, great video as usual 👍
i would use it on collei(or your 2nd dendro character) in nilou bloom team with nahida and kokomi. Since there also you have only 2 elements and there isnt a good set for collei to buff if you already use deep wood on nahida
If Burn vape or burn melt teams use Emille, I find it hard to imagine deepwood would do nothing in those teams. Could the new set buff both pyro and hydro in those teams at the same time?
Ok so, for now ill continue farming the old artifact set, and after the update ill throw all the artifacta into the strong box and then start fatming the new set whilr alsp throwing the bad artifacts into the box so i can have both sets :,D
Habrá una composición de equipos con doble Geo, un personaje con el nuevo set y el otro con petra arcaica, usando Zhongli y Kachina se podrá obtener 75% de bono de daño elemental y 15% de daño inflingido, ademas de 20% de reducción de resistencias a los enemigos, esta composición mejorará con Xilonen
Would a triple geo ( navia kachina and chori with a bennet) just be worse then adding xangling cause i really like chori and don’t want to build my itto with no c6 goro
It probably would considering the lack of crystallize shards that you can get is locked behind Bennett's Pyro app. But then again play who U want. You will have more fun with them
another elemental unit with some buffing like yelan would make that team work, but unless the enemy has an innate aura to get crystalize, you'd lose out on too many stacks for it to be worth it
That moment when players find out that new artifact set bonus doesnt work on older character, even if text says. It has a chance to happen, so dont waste all your reshin and moons on it till people test them fully.
A new 4-star beating a 5-star, and free too. Can't wait!! But can't Pyro Traveler use the Scroll of Cinder City too? Surely they'd get the Natlan mechanic when they resonate with the Statue?
s she a damage increase over Zhongli for Navia+Furina+Xianyun. Also, is she a damage increase over Yunjin in Noelle+Gouro+Furina? Those are the two teams I would use her in.
Tldr put scroll set on healer, shielders and buffers without a very good Bis set. And other defensive utility e.g Dehya. The most notable are Kirara and Yaoyao because instructors set actively hinders their healing/ shielding. Obsidian Codex for any Natlan DPS and for every DPS if we get a Furina equivalent
I believe if your character is 1% build she probably doesn't have much to be scared of kachina, better if you invest in constilations of chiori Just my opinion because you love playing chiori
It is not a big deal, but i prefer artifact bonuses, that are more simple and straight forward. Lately they are making artifacts, that provides really conditional buffs. I like types of artifacts like Wanderer, Gladiator... Emblem or Golden Troupe are also nice. But artifacts, they started adding before Arlecchino was released, have such strict conditions, you can only use them for a few characters and even characters, who can use it, can't profit from them all the time. The new "Hero of Cinder City" set is a perfect example. Even 2-piece bonus is not gonna give you anything, if someone (who has to be in Nightsoul mode) doesn't use the ult. And 4-piece bonus is also not doing anything unless you trigger the specific reaction + again, if you want to use the full potential, you have to be in Nightsoul mode. That means, if i will use a character, who is wearing this set, for the openworld, where i don't need those rotations or reactions to beat common enemies, this set will provide literally nothing. Not even a bit of a damage bonus. Of course, this is just my preference. I would be just glad, if they added more good sets, that can be used everywhere, at least to some degree, and that can be used by more characters, than just a few (looking also at you, bond of life and burning sets)
I don't know if I will build Kachina for Navia or if I wait for Xilonen instead. I already have Zhongli. Right now, my plan in 5.0 is to save my primos.
she’s usable for cinder city, you could even leave kachina at level 20 & simply equip her with cinder city kachina’s entire kit, including her constellations, centre around her own damage, its being able to hold cinder that cooks with her; it’d cost you 0 primogems as kachina is going to be a free unit, & you still get cinder’s benefits :D edit: might i add that kachina’s gonna be the only partner geo who can provide navia with 40% DMG bonus. after all, kachina upon 5.0’s release will be the only natlan geo character who can take advantage of nightsoul
Build Kachina and get xilonen. Kachina is really amazing for a 4* when paired with cinder city. She's gonna be amazing in theatre too. Xilonen is rumoured to be geo with built in VV for all elements so she will outclass zhongli
Im more who this gonna work with if sucrose kazuha Can use it Will it best thier vv goes for mons kokomi to like wont this set just make sub dps Unit universal buffers ?
@@Juice-chan someone in a comp for tighnari or clorinde. My first thought would be fischl since she is quite powerful to use an unconventional set and still perform decent
one thing about zhongli on the new set, archaic petra is often slept on in teams like mono pyro/neuvillette, where picking up the crystal isn't that hard since you only have one crystallizable element. in those cases, petra will still be better
For mualani why im thinking cinder city is better than codex, correct me, mualani ascension based on crit rate and 40% dmg bonus is better than 15%, if we exclude kachina in the team, we can fit more chars and cinder city looks more promising to me, if we balance crit ratio 😅
Its all good But But Hear me out Mavuika and capitano(the new strongest in game, we already know he is the strongest harbinger of the fatui) Its a trend in every nation to have Archon (strong support+subdps) Someone with archon (best DPS) Some fatui who isn't as strong as archon's friend but still one of the strongest Trend examples - Venti, diluc, eula(doesn't count as fatui but was related) - zongli, hu tao, childe - riden, ayaka, sineora(too bad we never got to play with her) - nahida, Alhaitham, wanderer - furina, Neuvillete, arlechino - mavuika, Unknown, capitano
the first thoughts that came to mind seeing these sets "racist ass sets" second thought "mihoyo got so lazy with theyre set design holly " we went from tf and clam who are so cleverly designed to triger a reaction and get 40 crit triger a reaction a give 40 dmg bonus gota start imigration to natlan boys
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s she a damage increase over Zhongli for Navia+Furina+Xianyun. Also, is she a damage increase over Yunjin in Noelle+Gouro+Furina? Those are the two teams I would use her in.
@@THESocialJusticeWarrior She will be better than Zhongli if you don't struggle to survive. And she is a lot better than Yunjin especially with multiple enemies present. I'm not sure but I think Yelan/Furina/Noelle/Gorou is better but Idk
I think Kachina, Noelle, Furina, Yelan could also be really good
I'm excited as juice waiting for kichina for my navia but will she be better than zhongli for navia teams?🙂
There is exactly ONE way to get Pnuma or Ousia on a nonfontaine sword unit
The world quest sword can do it
Its not a great option, but it exists
true, i forgot about that
doubt a natlan equivalent would something noteworthy though, wayyy too niche of a scenario
What sword is that.
@@manbeard8678 narcissistic cruise sword
Narzisseskriuz or so@@manbeard8678
@@manbeard8678sword of narcissus or whatever
8:48 Honestly i wasn’t very excited for Kachina at first but honestly she’s looking pretty cracked for a free 4 star, now surely Xilonen won’t immediately power-creep her, right?
Honestly it looks like she will. Its said that shes geo kazuha
@@ilikenewmeta9717I know about that, but those are just rumors, very likely to be true, but still let’s keep this comment section free from leaks and "rumors based on possible non-confirmed leaks" :)
@@ilikenewmeta9717Navia is about to become a god
I’m not a huge fan of having artifacts that incentivize pulling on the shiny new characters, but it makes sense from a monetization standpoint I guess lol
The brown one can be used for dehya!!!❤❤❤❤
yes! :D can’t wait to farm the set for her
@@Juice-chan can it work if i wanna make dehya a dps???
@@rosies69No just use Emblem its her best DPS set
@@rosies69that set is made for subdps/support characters. itd be more useful on a different character to buff an emblem dehya
I love how people put chiori with navia most of the time and ignore that she can shine on her own 😂😂😂
chiori on her own does as much damage as itto WITHOUT chiori. itto WITHOUT chiori is not a good DPS
@@Juice-chan i personally would wanna build chiori as a dps when i get her. Duel wielding is so cool
@@Juice-chan Albedo clears both easily
@BabyCalisthenics no, chiori is better than albedo. Her kit is altogether more focused than albedos, meaning she can put out more consistent damage. Zero hate to albedo, he gets the job done, but for geo teams chiori is always the better pick
@@BabyCalisthenicschiori surpassed him
Navia mains, rise up🎉
I dont realy see it as buff.
Current team is zhongli (geo res shread and shard maker) + Furina + Navia + Siegwinne (provides set damage buff + can heal up furina hp drain easy peasy)
@@Bullminator all things aside, what made u pull siegwinne💀
@@ashphoenix3507 I hate circle impact kokomi.
@@Bullminator may the anemo archon bless you
I'm glad that Kachina is great for Navia, but I hope I won't need C6 for her to really shine for her since I won't be pulling for Mulani.
I feel like Scroll Of The Hero Of Cinder City could possibly also be used by Noelle in teams where she is a driver or Albedo in teams where his personal damage doesn’t really matter.
(And and maybe even Xingqiu, not now but in a possible future where he is played in a team with 3 other Natlan characters to constantly regenerate energy, after all the only reason why Emblem is his BIS nowadays is because how his ER% needs, in today’s meta his personal damage is negligible when compared to his potential buffing capabilities using the scroll set, so yeah as long as he can get his burst back then the new set should become Xingqiu’s BIS, ESPECIALLY if Mavuika pulls a Furina and enables everyone to trigger nightsoul burst/go into the nightsoul state to use these artifacts just how Furina gave everyone access to Maracheussee)
Im a little sceptical about xq tho. Hes mostly reserved for hyperbloom nowadays
@@ilikenewmeta9717True, but that doesn’t mean that that can’t change, just release a Natlan character that wants the fastest Hydro application possible and that normal attacks and Xingqiu will thrive in that team.
Xingqiu and Bennett, the 2 OG OP 4 star supports who contended for best character all the time until version 1.5 (and arguably even after that), Bennett seemed to be falling off during Sumeru, but with Fontaine releasing Lyney, Wriothesley, Navia, Gaming, Arlecchino, Clorinde and Emilie (and 5.0 bringing Kinich) he’s right back into the top of the meta, who’s to say that Natlan won’y do the same for Xingqiu later on? Idk, may be wishful thinking but if he ever becomes viable in non-Hyperbloom Natlan teams this set should be his BiS guaranteed
@@ATMEIDAREYAIDOUBLEDAREYA I do think he could improve with Future character releases but I'm a bit unsure. There doesn't seem to be any Natlan character that looks to have any particular synergy with him. Maybe Xblanque could revive XQ tho
Imagine C6Neuvillette Paired with C2R5 Sac Seigewinne who has Equipped 4p Petra (Straight from Zhongli) then 3rd slot is Kazhua with VV and Xipose Moonlight and last 4th Slot be: Xilonen with new Natlan support Artifact.
So if we Calculate we will get:
35% Hydro Res Shred for 8s from Seigewinne.
Due to R5 sac we will get 4 Hydro balls which will lead to 14s of non-stop Neuvillette Hydro pump.
4p petra set from Seigewinne will give 35% Elemental DMG Bonus (in this case Hydro) for 10s because of Crystallized reaction through Xilonen
Kazhua we have classic VV res shred of Hydro and more Elemental DMG Bonus via Kazhua from Hydro Swirl.
Xilonon with New Support Artifact will Give 40% Elemental DMG Bonus (Hydro) Due to Hydro Crystallized reaction. we will also get 40% Geo DMG bonus as well.
That's a yikes amount of buffing... Now we just need harder floors of the abyss to test that on 😆
Scroll could also be good on furina, golden troupe increases HER dmg, not the teams, so it could make her buff even more broken
But she has way to good personal DMG to give up and she already gives a lot of DMG bonus so another 12% won't be that noticeable
@@goatmilk2937 yes her dmg is INSANE but I’m talking about hypercarry teams where you’re just using her for support
@@trainnubb7373 i don't think the 12% dmg bonus is big deal for Furina especially since she gives lots of dmg% bonus from her burst already. Plus, her being a non-Natlan character has no access to the extra 28% dmg bonus so it's a wasted passive on her.
I agree, using furina in a hyper carry as a pure support is a waste of her talent, you usually pair her up with a strong healer who doesn't have huge damage such as xianyun or baizu so a team wide damage share is already a waste
honestly loving how much i’m learning about Kachina and i’m looking forwards to her now than ever before. also another Kinich simp here. i just need a new twink lmao
When Mavuika allows non natlan characters to enter nightsoul blessing state
I'm so hoping the archon is an off field pyro applier, and can use that new support set...
My current team plan for Mualani is Mona, Benny, and Xiangling (I know Benny doesn't buff Mualani, but still good for healing and making Xiangling usable), and I don't think any of those three will be able to use the new set (Mona has instructor set), so if I can replace Xiangling and Bennet with the archon, and add a more synergistic sustain, that would be really nice. Baizou for burning perhaps? 🤔If there's enough pyro application I could replace Mona with Furina too! 🎉
if we go by the old archons and their new sets, she’ll probably be able to use both sets pretty well
Honestly, I get a bit of a gut impression that the Traveler will get the ability to use these artifacts after we get Pyro. Just a gut feeling.
Kachina is a treasure for my navia team specially cz I don't have chiori and use albedo with her which isn't much of a support but only resonance and shards, kachina is finally gonna make navia shine.🎉
I bet cinder city is going to go nicely on baizhu when used on one of the most popular abyss teams: nuev/furina/kazuha/baizhu.
I'm personally not as interested in kachina as a navia buffer as I have a highly invested C2R1 chiori and I just enjoy running chiori in several teams anyway. But I'm excited that more people can enjoy how fun Navia is to play. The shotgun nukes are so fun.
2:20 I feel there is a bit of an issue here. At least from how the set reads. In order for Dehya to buff the other characters, SHE has to be the one that triggers the reaction. Now that doesn't sound too strange, but especially when I think of something like Ganyu-Melt, Ganyu is the one doing the reactions, not Dehya. Meaning in order to buff Ganyu's cryo Damage, you have to set it up with Dehya melting at the start of the rotation. Which isn't too big of an issue, since the effect lasts for 15s, so there should be a way to get that 18s cooldown for Dehya's skill involved with the other characters, but it's important to remember. Just putting down Dehya's elemental skill and then melting with Ganyu will NOT provide any buffs for Ganyu or any other character for that matter.
Same issue with Nahida. Do NOT think you can buff your Ganyu in a burn-melt team when you put that set on Nahida. Now it's not hard to set up, it's literally impossible, because cryo and dendro have NO reactions. So all you are going to buff is pyro and dendro damage.
Really appreciate this 👏
The equipping character needs to trigger the reaction, dehya will have to melt over ganyu's cryo aura and if nahida or emilie are the burning trigger then the set is useless on her in burning teams however it would be decent in burgeon/vape setup with enough hydro aura for dehya to vape. Its a support set for main dps that apply to much of their respective elements like neuvilette, ayaka, etc. Also the set suits elements that don't apply an underlying aura like anemo and geo.
Navia doesnt NEED ANY other geo character to be cracked and F2P friendly, it would be NICE to have another geo on the team yea but it's not really NEEDED because she is already cracked just solo
100% agree, but why would a navia lover wanna say no to an excellent buff? :D
Geo resonance is nasty though... definitely worth activating if you can. With Kachina being free too, it's such an insane buff for f2p Navia.
NO ONE SAID NAVIA NEED,
Everyone keep saying its an increasing making her even more F2P friendly to a point of one of the best F2P with huge damage
For using this artifact set, and for having a batter Navia buffer, I'll probably wait for Xilonen to come out nefore I build any Natlan characters.
But even if you build Kachina now she won't become useless even after Xilonen comes out, she will still be really solid in imaginarium theatre!
assuming Xilonen is a support unit, would the cinder city set be her best in slot?
Isn't navia already free to play friendly??
yes, but this grants her extreme accessibility, because TTDS ningguang was not really an ideal 4* choice
kachina is as good as a C0R1 5* for navia, that’s quite a big deal! :D
"the equipping character triggers a reaction"
isn't the wording makes it restrictive? for example, dehya in burn vape team would not trigger this effect for hydro.
cinder city with xilonen navia and furina plus xianyun may be good?? i would have my fav characters from fontaine and my fav natlan character up until now cause even being f2p i farmed 510 pulls and got my navia within 20 pulls so now im like wtf do i do with them XD
That most probably will be the best navia team depending on xilonen official kit. If you have enough you can get c2 xilonen or c2 pyro archon that will be the best investment
I'm not assuming cinder city would buff physical if I triggered shatter…
Should i use kachina for neuvillette for 40 dmg bonus or lisa for 12 dmg bonus with 20 def shred?(Neuvillette furina jean)
My biggest question(s) are what sets should be replaced with the new one? Does aggravate want this new set over instructor?
Do we want Atk% etc goblets now if Kechina + Furina / Kazuha etc is on the team?
pretty sad that the set went from 25%/25% to 12%/28% dmg bonus it was so incredibly op before that nerf
Cinder City is very exciting. 12% doesn't sound like a lot but DMG is the most premium stat in the game (more than even crit).
I'm very excited for Cinder City for Anemo hypercarry. 12% isn't a lot on the carry, but part of any team is the team DPS. You generally have TotM Faruzan, a Noblesse, and a Song of Days Past if you can fit it. Now, we can pop out Song of Days Past (which is just so brutally underscaled) and put in Cinder City. In particular I was thinking C4 Jean with Cinder City and Freedom Sworn. 40% Shred, 20% ATK, 12% DMG, that is brutal. For the carry, also 16% NA DMG and 15% NA SPD. What makes it particularly enticing is that the 12% applies to ALL party members. Who are already sharing 20% ATK from TotM and 20% ATK from Noblesse (and 20% more when Freedom is up).
Aggravate/Spread also benefits hugely from this set. DMG is especially premium in those teams. Team-wide buffs are also a premium in Quicken, due to how they work. Every teammate provides damage. However, Quicken diminishes ATK drastically, and the more EM the more it is diminished. Noblesse and TotM lose a lot of value. Having a DMG buff for those teams will be huge. Especially since there are very few electro buffers. One unit in particular that comes to mind is Baizhu. His damage is important in Quicken, but he lacks any source of DMG% (Golden Troupe doesn't work because half his damage is Burst). But he is capped at 71.6% DMG or 86.6% with Deepwood and 98.6 with his signature (which is just strictly worse than R5 Sacrificial Jade in Quicken so you're most likely going to be at 86.6%)... which really skews his golden ratio since Quicken inflates ATK so much. For example I use TotM Yae (same set from pre-Dendro lmfao) and Wandering Evenstar Nahida so there is ample EM and ATK going around. Putting Cinder City somewhere on a team with Baizhu will be a huge buff to his damage. Lisa will be an excellent carrier of the set with her 15% shred.
What if you used Cinder City Kachina in an electrocharged team, and triggered crystallize on both electro and hydro? I'm guessing this doesn't make her worth replacing a traditional anemo in a taser team, but there's probably some version where you could do both. (And under these circumstances, would Sucrose be better than Kazuha?)
Hm, I run Navia with Albedo (he’s the first 5* I’ve ever gotten), and either Furina+Charlotte or Bennett+Xiangling
The new set will be perfect for Albedo, because he will be able to buff Navia, Furina and Xiangling, instead of running a dps set, which isn’t too good, because I didn’t farm good stats.
The question is: will Kachina be better than Albedo. We’ll the question is rather how much better she is, since Albedo isn’t that good (for example his flower breaks often), but I really want to use him
kachina will be better, as she can access the full 40% buff due to having nightsoul, whereas albedo only has 12%
edit: but! it’ll still work on albedo if you really wanna use him :)
@@Juice-chan, for some reason I didn’t realize that Kachina can utilize the full buff, so yeah, she seems much better
Unfortunately I’ll probably bench Albedo again, but he did serve me very well in early years of genshin (his flower helped a lot with the exploration), so I think he deserves some rest
Other than that, great video as usual 👍
I think Kokomi would also benefit with the new Cinder City Set
i would use it on collei(or your 2nd dendro character) in nilou bloom team with nahida and kokomi. Since there also you have only 2 elements and there isnt a good set for collei to buff if you already use deep wood on nahida
Kinich definitely wants the new set, especially considering he has a Crit Dmg awakening.
I'll just farm both for Kachina and Mualani slowly.
If Burn vape or burn melt teams use Emille, I find it hard to imagine deepwood would do nothing in those teams. Could the new set buff both pyro and hydro in those teams at the same time?
Ok so, for now ill continue farming the old artifact set, and after the update ill throw all the artifacta into the strong box and then start fatming the new set whilr alsp throwing the bad artifacts into the box so i can have both sets :,D
Habrá una composición de equipos con doble Geo, un personaje con el nuevo set y el otro con petra arcaica, usando Zhongli y Kachina se podrá obtener 75% de bono de daño elemental y 15% de daño inflingido, ademas de 20% de reducción de resistencias a los enemigos, esta composición mejorará con Xilonen
Would a triple geo ( navia kachina and chori with a bennet) just be worse then adding xangling cause i really like chori and don’t want to build my itto with no c6 goro
It probably would considering the lack of crystallize shards that you can get is locked behind Bennett's Pyro app. But then again play who U want. You will have more fun with them
another elemental unit with some buffing like yelan would make that team work, but unless the enemy has an innate aura to get crystalize, you'd lose out on too many stacks for it to be worth it
I'm thinking of running Mulani, Dehya and Kachina. What should my 4th slot be for my first Natlan team?
That moment when players find out that new artifact set bonus doesnt work on older character, even if text says. It has a chance to happen, so dont waste all your reshin and moons on it till people test them fully.
How good will Iansan Pyro traveller or mavuika be on chevruse overload with cinder city
A new 4-star beating a 5-star, and free too. Can't wait!! But can't Pyro Traveler use the Scroll of Cinder City too? Surely they'd get the Natlan mechanic when they resonate with the Statue?
Does Scroll of the Hero of Cinder City buff physical damage bonus?
what do you think about faruzan with 4pc scroll?
So I usually use Keqing Fischl Yaoyao/Kiara Kazuha in aggravate
The dendro option runs ToM but how well would the new set benefit them?
s she a damage increase over Zhongli for Navia+Furina+Xianyun. Also, is she a damage increase over Yunjin in Noelle+Gouro+Furina? Those are the two teams I would use her in.
for the navia team, yes, she is a damage increase
for the noelle team, also yes
@@Juice-chan Awsome thanks!
I am excited for new sword because my chiori could use that def% weopan so i can build a bit more crit dmg for my chiori
That new craftable sword is so good for anyone with Albedo or Chiori, who started playing after that one even with Albedo's def% sword. 🎉
Should i put yao yao on cinder city in my mualani team i use yao yao xiangling kazuha and mualani ofc
Tldr put scroll set on healer, shielders and buffers without a very good Bis set. And other defensive utility e.g Dehya. The most notable are Kirara and Yaoyao because instructors set actively hinders their healing/ shielding.
Obsidian Codex for any Natlan DPS and for every DPS if we get a Furina equivalent
Id say its fair to say that navias better than alhaitham after kachina and especially after xilonen if she stays like that
Will cinder city be better on bennet(on instructor rn) in international team?
Kinich emilie xaingling and cinder city bennet? he'll buff the entire team when he does a burning reaction
Natlan really gonna make me invest in Geo again. Itto hurt so bad, can I really move on? We will see.
My top 1% on Akasha c1 Chiori isn't scared of Kachina however 😉
consider: chiori one side, navia the other 👀
@@Juice-chan i like the way you think
Hmm juicy
I believe if your character is 1% build she probably doesn't have much to be scared of kachina, better if you invest in constilations of chiori
Just my opinion because you love playing chiori
Geo is eating good in Natlan !!
we’re eating navia’s macarons with this one 🗣️
It is not a big deal, but i prefer artifact bonuses, that are more simple and straight forward. Lately they are making artifacts, that provides really conditional buffs. I like types of artifacts like Wanderer, Gladiator... Emblem or Golden Troupe are also nice. But artifacts, they started adding before Arlecchino was released, have such strict conditions, you can only use them for a few characters and even characters, who can use it, can't profit from them all the time. The new "Hero of Cinder City" set is a perfect example. Even 2-piece bonus is not gonna give you anything, if someone (who has to be in Nightsoul mode) doesn't use the ult. And 4-piece bonus is also not doing anything unless you trigger the specific reaction + again, if you want to use the full potential, you have to be in Nightsoul mode. That means, if i will use a character, who is wearing this set, for the openworld, where i don't need those rotations or reactions to beat common enemies, this set will provide literally nothing. Not even a bit of a damage bonus.
Of course, this is just my preference. I would be just glad, if they added more good sets, that can be used everywhere, at least to some degree, and that can be used by more characters, than just a few (looking also at you, bond of life and burning sets)
Could Layla use cinder city? I wanna build her for a mualani vapemelt 😊
yes! but make sure to trigger freeze with her so that you buff hydro
I don't know if I will build Kachina for Navia or if I wait for Xilonen instead.
I already have Zhongli.
Right now, my plan in 5.0 is to save my primos.
she’s usable for cinder city, you could even leave kachina at level 20 & simply equip her with cinder city
kachina’s entire kit, including her constellations, centre around her own damage, its being able to hold cinder that cooks with her; it’d cost you 0 primogems as kachina is going to be a free unit, & you still get cinder’s benefits :D
edit: might i add that kachina’s gonna be the only partner geo who can provide navia with 40% DMG bonus. after all, kachina upon 5.0’s release will be the only natlan geo character who can take advantage of nightsoul
Build Kachina and get xilonen. Kachina is really amazing for a 4* when paired with cinder city. She's gonna be amazing in theatre too. Xilonen is rumoured to be geo with built in VV for all elements so she will outclass zhongli
I will do that. 🙂
Im more who this gonna work with if sucrose kazuha Can use it Will it best thier vv goes for mons kokomi to like wont this set just make sub dps Unit universal buffers ?
Does the support set work with aggravate/quicken?
yes, who you wanna use it on
@@Juice-chan someone in a comp for tighnari or clorinde. My first thought would be fischl since she is quite powerful to use an unconventional set and still perform decent
Exited for Xilonen
I wanna pull for Kachina! Shes cute! :D
1 C0 copy will be free for everybody after beginning the natlan AQ! :D
@@Juice-chan Yay!!! Nice way to travel around and such! Bounce bounce!
one thing about zhongli on the new set, archaic petra is often slept on in teams like mono pyro/neuvillette, where picking up the crystal isn't that hard since you only have one crystallizable element. in those cases, petra will still be better
I have C3 dehya... but 😔
edit: C6 Candece 😢
🤔so if i pull xilonen or zongli
Then my kachina and chiori one side and navia xilonen or zongli the other
Ah racism, my favorite
Guys, I think Juice likes Navia
PERHAPS…
i still love that kinich pfp, kinich my beloved
@@Juice-chan
For mualani why im thinking cinder city is better than codex, correct me, mualani ascension based on crit rate and 40% dmg bonus is better than 15%, if we exclude kachina in the team, we can fit more chars and cinder city looks more promising to me, if we balance crit ratio 😅
Its all good
But
But
Hear me out
Mavuika and capitano(the new strongest in game, we already know he is the strongest harbinger of the fatui)
Its a trend in every nation to have
Archon (strong support+subdps)
Someone with archon (best DPS)
Some fatui who isn't as strong as archon's friend but still one of the strongest
Trend examples
- Venti, diluc, eula(doesn't count as fatui but was related)
- zongli, hu tao, childe
- riden, ayaka, sineora(too bad we never got to play with her)
- nahida, Alhaitham, wanderer
- furina, Neuvillete, arlechino
- mavuika, Unknown, capitano
Or maybe the Unknown is just diluc the hidden husbando of mavuika XD
the first thoughts that came to mind seeing these sets "racist ass sets" second thought "mihoyo got so lazy with theyre set design holly " we went from tf and clam who are so cleverly designed to triger a reaction and get 40 crit triger a reaction a give 40 dmg bonus gota start imigration to natlan boys
first🎉🎉
welcome! :)