‘Why Not Ask About That?’: Brett Kavanaugh Presses Harvard Lawyer On Religion & Affirmative Action
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- On Monday, The Supreme Court heard oral arguments in Students for Fair Admissions, Inc. v. President and Fellows of Harvard College.
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Justice Kavanaugh didn't finish his question: If Harvard can achieve great religious diversity without asking about religion, why can't you achieve race diversity without asking about skin color?
Exactly
Because you can't. That is the purpose of AA to force dumber people of another race onto society with joke degrees and connections with Dems in D.C..
He didn't have to.
Big difference between race and religion. Everybody can hides their religion but can’t hides their race.
@@The_North0 yeah? Ever heard of mixed race?
Harvard discriminated against their Asian and conservative applicants.
We need to united & boycott Disney as well
@@curiouspeople6441 Conservatives aren't good at boycotts usually. More importantly. Where does Disney come into play from the woman's original comment?
@@PaperMakersAdeludedbroad
how do you define woman?
Are you a biologist? Or a stupid Court member that can’t define a woman?
I find it ironic that the Supreme Court questioning the so called affirmative actions malfunction by the Right and somehow they forgot that they holds their position mostly by policy not merits (affirmative action) namely Thomas for examples and many others
@@PaperMakersAdeludedbroad See your point, BUT the comment was still SPOT ON.
We now have Constitutionalist in the Supreme Court, which is why you are hearing intelligent questions and not knee jerk political questions.
We heard some seriously uneducated and unprofessional questions from Kagan. She's a fraud who talks like she is semi-illiterate yet she's very condescending to those who do not espouse the ideology that she follows and may believe. I'm starting to think that many of the politicians and bureaucrats on the left are well-paid bad actors. What else are you going to do with all the acting school major rejects that didn't make the A-list? Not that the Hollywood A-list is impressive these days. Every bar and standard has been lowered. Harvard was founded by great minds. Look at our academic institutions today. Glorified and exorbitantly expensive insane asylums and day cares.
These aren't intelligent questions. They wouldn't ask some of these questions if they were familiar with previous SC rulings and the findings of the lower court. The lawyers often are simply repeating facts from the record to answer questions
@@semitope So let me reverse the logic, these were intelligent acceptance of the answers. Once rulings were cited he moved on and didn't dwell. I would hope that you would be willing to admit that many a judge would have danced around the questions for much longer even though a response was provided.
@@semitope I can tell you and Kagan are super intelligent. You know.
Funny, more like Communists.
Kavanaugh had a great Gotcha question. Harvard lawyer says Harvard wants religious diversity in their class but do not ask applicants religion. Gotcha!! you can have diversity but not select people in minority groups
And Waxman just wades into it totally clueless as to what he's doing, bragging about all the religious diversity -- forgetting that it was achieved with no questions on the applications.
which might be ok if they didn't track and tour racial diversity...
True, when bigotry isn't stopping diversity, you needn't set up a system to prevent in the non existent effects of the imaginary bigotry; hence religion has proven unnecessary to monitor. Reality check: religion is a philosophy... and can change, it isn't a person's permanent trait from birth to death.
@@rychei5393 yes anti semites don’t exist
Harvard wants to discriminate based on race in order to make their student body "better." That argument sounds like it's straight out of the 1950s.
Hard to believe that in 2022 Harvard is arguing before the SCOTUS that they should be allowed to discriminate based on skin color, race and ethnicity for admission to their institution of higher learning.
Divesity as a goal of education is wrong, period.
@@seanleith5312 Exactly!
This will look even more horrible years from now when we look back at this. Harvard will be tore down. Lol
And the ACLU is on their side!
Harvard defending racism
The justices are just handing the lawyers a rope in this case.
Nail on the head!
It's time for the "Ivy League" to get their come uppance.
Not really. He asked stupid question. There is a big difference between race and religion. You can hides your religion but you can’t do the same for race in real world.
@@The_North0 no. The context here is about diversity of religion and why that type of diversity is not important to Harvard but racial diversity is important. Hypocrisy.
@@The_North0 Rachel Dolezal?
0:59 The Harvard lawyer pretty much admits: "if we do not look at religion as a factor we will still end up with a religiously diverse Harvard but if we do not look at race of the applicant we will not have racially diverse Harvard which pretty much accepts that Harvard tips the scales in favor of certain races which is the entire case"
Anyone remember when Harvard used to be a Christian college and non-politically bias.
None of the current population is alive when that was the situation.
That was back when it used to actually produce great minds and people
It also kept out higher scoring Jewish people.
No, not old enough but it was not when JFK studied there
Harvard was founded by Puritans. High standards and brilliant minds. Very homogenous. Now Harvard is a glorified and exorbitantly expensive insane asylum and day care.
Harvard is all about you need to think the same way or else we will go after you, tolerant and diverse my ask.
Have no idea what that means
Simple question…. What is racism, and why is it bad? If you answer that question honestly, then it’s clear that using race as a factor to consider ANYTHING is racist, and it is wrong
Its amazing how Justices nominated on merit are so much brighter than those nominated on "identity"
Same with white house press secretaries 😂
Oh please, anyone that differs from a white Christian is considered being nominated on "identity". All of Trump's justices were nominated because they are WHITE, RELIGIOUS, AND CONSERVATIVE.
DUH!! lol yup
@@_GandalfTheGrey_ that comment sounds very racist.
@@Biggestfoot10209 It isn’t.
No wonder the Supreme Court can only hear a few cases because the lawyers can’t give a straightforward answer
well, Harvard is being completely racist. This case is unique, in that your can't really justify turning down Asians for whites. they will lose, and there IS no good argument to be made.
Original 1961 JFK Affirmative Action:
"Take action to ensure applicants are hired WITHOUT regard to race, creed, color,.."
Leftist Affirmative Action:
"Take action to ensure applicants are hired WITH regard to race, creed, color,..."
Amazing these people are fighting to be racist.
Great handle, Ted
Remove any question of nationality from ALL applications anywhere private or government. Obey the Constitution
Accept based on merit. Nothing else matters.
What are you talking about? This isn't about nationality. In fact, Nigerian blacks are quite common at Harvard.
That should be true at private colleges, but not colleges that receive taxpayer funding. Colleges that accept American taxpayer funding should indeed consider whether the applicant is American. And American government research projects should be sent to American taxpayer funded colleges (for security reasons). I'm Asian American and I feel strongly about this.
My Asian friend is half Polish, and has a Polish last name. He said he got an interview for one of those Ivy League schools, and the second he walked through the door and they saw he was Asian he could tell the interview was over.
Damn. That is seriously messed up. 😡
Is that really story?
My daughter has an Italian last name. Mine. Her father is Asian. Some people mistake her for Hispanic on visual inspection. She did not get into MIT. However, she went to a very fine engineering university and graduated with high honors. Interestingly enough, when my daughter applied to MIT, the Dean of Admissions was a fraud. In 2007: "The Massachusetts Institute of Technology’s dean of admissions, Marilee Jones, resigned Thursday and confessed to the ultimate sin of her profession: lying on an application. Jones, who had led the admissions office since 1998, falsely claimed degrees at three schools in upstate New York, an MIT spokeswoman said. In reality, Jones briefly attended just one of the schools, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute (RPI), and never enrolled at the other two." - The Crimson. Shows what a fraud and joke the whole admissions process has become.
@@margochanning6868 Congrats to your daughter on the alternate school. I’m sure she has a fine high-paying career now. 💪🏽
@@moudoesgaming2054 Yeah. I knew him in grad school. Not like a best friend, but we studied together a lot while we were in school.
It's so laughable that is the best the Harvard lawyer can do.
The quickest way to solve this is to remove any question of nationality from ALL applications anywhere private or government. The only questions to be asked. Are you an American Citizen? Do you speak English?
I agree on removing the nationality question. But I would go one step further, also remove the name so the admissions person or board cannot come to any assumptions on who the person is. John Smith vs Trevon Jackson vs Jing Li
@@funnybunnymomoney388 The left actually published papers on how to figure out someone's race from other information because they are such racist scum that they desperately want to discriminate based on ethnicity even in cases where it's blatantly illegal. I'm not exaggerating; the Biden DOJ has openly talked about strategizing on how to work around the law.
For that reason, we have to hide even things like city and zipcode from them (things they use to guess race), and really, we just need to remove these evil people and punish them harshly to set an example because they won't ever stop otherwise.
No racial profiling.
@@funnybunnymomoney388 excellent. That’s true equality and diversity. Pure admission based on merit.
@@funnybunnymomoney388 If you have a high SAT score, they still know who you are😆
What happened to students who are qualified and not based on race/religion/gender?
Obviously Havard is far left now
they are liberal freaks
Has been for a long while
Diversity, diversity, diversity. They hide behind this word and define diversity with the word diversity.
The applications should not include a persons race, sex, or name. The whole process should be based on merit, i.e., academics, extracurricular activities and community service.
Not necessarily community service IMO.
No, that's just wrong. Do you know how many people cannot do extracurricular activities and community service because they have to help raise their brother and sisters, or they have to earn money for the family? When you get into the details, it's not as simple as everyone seems to think.
@@ecyranot I can agree with that and you could explain those circumstances in your admissions essay. In all honesty would you want to be accepted to a University to satisfy a statistic or based on how hard you have worked?
@@frederickfarias9515If not verifiable community service, then any other verifiable measures of character. Any suggestions on what those other verifiable measures might be, or should character not be considered at all?
If this lawyer is from Harvard law, i wouldn't fight to get into it ....
Lol, you won't need to, just claim that you are a girl inside a man's body, or the other way around, and argue on transgender ground😂
How Can You Know, If You Don't Track It?...You're Just Guessing & Bsing!
Poor Harvard attorney. Defending an indefensible truth. I enjoy watching the legal gymnastics of an attorney who tries to defend a position that is so blatantly obvious…indefensible. I think students should boycott Harvard. Of better, let there be another college in the world on the path to replace Harvard as a trophy college. Beijing University, you up for the challenge?
What about % of students with peanut allergies? 🥜
If Harvard only stopped accepting government funding and government-provided student loans, then Harvard could have any biased admissions policy it wanted.
@crassgop -- 👋🤣
No they still couldn't. In the same way that a restaurant owner can't have a biased admission policy into their restaurant based on race. Even if they don't take any government funding.
American meritocracy, except if you are asian and get better grades than most. Berkeley has been doing this since the 70s.
My utmost respect to you Justice Kavanagh and Justice Gorsach
They tap dancing. Lol
Please get a new picture of justice Kavanaugh.
Discrimination comes in many ways. How about they stop collecting race data at all? Just like religious.
Since when is diversity a requirement to get a degree?
20 years ago
How about just stop beating a path to Harvard's door? Stop going to school there.
This lawyer can't answer the question if diversity in race is so good why not religions? why it only asks students to provide race information but not religion? It's blatantly racial discrimination!
The lawyer for Harvard's voice is Dry. He knows he lost and so do we.
Religious diversity is so important to Harvard that they don't track it to ensure they are maintaining religious diversity
If racial diversity is so “necessary” is it really helping people of certain backgrounds getting into a lot of universities unqualified to meet a quota?
I looked up 6 yr college drop out rates:
Native American 41%
Black 40%
Hispanic 30%
White 22%
Asian 17%
(There are some variations among sites)
Would a lot of these student have greater success going to less rigorous colleges? A JC first? How about a respectable trade school?
Seems to do a lot of harm to one’s self esteem that they cannot compete.
Look up ACT scores by race and you will see a direct correlation to your dropout rates.
@@leonardcollings7389 I just seems to me that at one time affirmative action seemed necessary.
But as I see it today. it is doing a lot of harm to young people’s esteem to set them up for failure. Those who just needed a hand up can still go to lesser colleges with lower standardized scores and transfer to a top university. Their degree will be from where they graduate.
My old university (I don't think it's Alma Matter since I'm a drop out stat) once gave a speech about wanting more blacks and diversity (of course). In this they bragged they had managed to bring in so many more black students (by being extremely racist), then lamented how the black dropout rate exploded. They genuinely didn't seem to connect that bringing in unqualified students is just setting them up for failure.
Ivy League schools aren’t more rigorous. They’re just more prestigious and have great connections. So this idea that going to a less rigorous school is just so stupid.
If higher learning institutions use skin color and religion cult sexual preferences as part of the admission standards, then they should label themselves as political institutions.
*WHY .... NOT .... ASK ... ABOUT .... CONSERVATIVE PROFESSORS AND STUDENTS !??????????*
The games they play.
The sad state of lawyers today, arguing before the greatest court on the planet, can’t remember to properly quote the court’s own precedent. Sad
HaHa Kavanaugh did a yeah yeah when that attorney kept talking about when should AA end.
Kavanaugh’s question is of perceptually concrete minded instead of conceptual.
If a person asks “Why don’t you keep track of “Latin” acceptances?” Instead of asking do we only have a certain type of admission candidate, and what type of person is that? Is he a Harvard person? By virtue.
The answer *proves* it.
Boofers that like beer don't conceptualize
@Jim Book I wouldn’t look in the mirror if I were *you* I’d be frightened! You *steal* others’ books….?
You Have encouraged assault?
Similar to Such as that on Pelosi’s husband?
Way to talk around the issue. I'd prefer more direct lines of questioning to get to the same end to avoid misconception and eliminate squirming.
Specifically, if you can discriminate based on race to achieve proportionate representation in your organization, why can you not descriminate based on religion. And what would that look like in your institution? (No Harvard man would even acknowledge the disproportionate representation of a certain religious/cultural group who excel on merit)
lol, lol, I'm sure Kavanaugh is wondering how'n hell Harvard chose to send this neophyte to defend their nonsensical diversity program. I was waiting for the lawyer to respond with a reference to Harvard's use of intuition combined with students' appearance as to what religion they practice. LOL,
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The woke harvard of today is not the august institution of learning it was in 1636!
I am serious when I say this. Only reformed theologians could cast out the demonic possession of Harvard that exists today. The Puritans founded Harvard. Everyone should study the reformation from its very beginnings with Wycliffe at the University of Oxford to Oliver Cromwell to Puritans founding Harvard and other academic institutions in early America to today's reformers. A real education in so many disciplines. People would learn about the Guttenberg press. I could wax on. I remember the days when "higher education" was more than glorified and exorbitantly expensive insane asylums and day cares for diversity in skin, genitals and sexual practices.
@@margochanning6868 At last, somebody who values a liberal arts education. As a fine arts student, I learned a lot about the Guttenberg press in my History of Print Making class. (I also learned a lot about the risk reward curve and puts and calls in my Investments and Securities classes, which I took as electives.) Ah, those were the days. Well, the founders of Harvard may be turning over in their graves. Isn't it ironic that these university employees work so hard to discriminate in the name of racial diversity and work so hard to shut down diversity of opinion? They must be exhausted. Just listening to their lawyers' racing thoughts makes one realize how everything about them is on overdrive and gets them all tangled up in their underwear. Back home, we called this "no common sense."
Why not ask? Because it just might let in people they want to keep out.
Dear Harvard, please stop racially discriminating. Thank you,
Harvard does not track religion or give it a tip because it disfavors religion. It’s ministry minsters to 27 kids from different religions. Harvard and other private colleges should,pay taxes for the privilege of being in A,Erica like the rest of us.
Remember if you're white, Christian, or Asian, you're automatically have an uphill struggle.
True. But if you're black or brown or another favored minority, you're likely to have an uphill struggle against all of the people telling you that you aren't good enough and that there are lots of people to blame and you aren't responsible for your actions or your success. This actually reveals the true white male privilege.
The Marxists wouldn't have it any other way. 🇺🇸
@@jackjunk5495 I mean since this is on school admittance. There is no Affirmative Action for being a white male.
No.
Very true.
Toxic diversity has nothing to do with racial equality or any equality or equal rights. Toxic diversity is divisive identity politics and the diversity being sought is in a homogeneity of propagandist thought. Different standards are applied that reduce any academic standard to the lowest levels so that a "student" is easily controlled, manipulated and exploited. Asian students in particular ARE being discriminated against. Students are NOT being admitted on academic excellence, achievement and merit but instead, they are being admitted based on "personality" and divisive identity politics groupings that are relativistic and subjective.
Man, these justices are scary smart. No wonder it makes or breaks a lawyers (who have to argue) careers. And the mental gymnastics that these lawyers are going through makes me laugh.
Who wanted this hearing and who is defending Affirmative Action. The Supreme Court already made their decision. This they are just going through the motion.
At the bottom of every man made disaster lies a Harvard man.
I think Thomas Sowell said either that same thing or something very close to that.
(Not accusing you of quote theft.)
Or Yale.
@@johnla3092 actually the exact quote from Thomas So we'll is "In every disaster throughout American history, there always seems to be a man from Harvard in the middle"
@@jamesopiela Thank you, Good Sir.
I thought that was him. I have to say that I could not agree with the man more.
In Baltimore Maryland over 70% of teens entering high school can't read at a 4th grade level. I'm sure the same is true in most large Democrat run cities. Whose fault is this? Is it the students fault? Is it the parents fault? Is it the teachers fault? Why aren't people being held accountable for this failure?
We all know why they don't ask about religion. They don't want us to know how many men with small hats they let in.
Nice move by Kavanaugh here. He's getting them to equate their supposed open admission by race with their already preset open admission by religion. That lawyer had to work hard on his response
this only get s' more and more painful to listen to with each justice....I think plaintiffs would easily have gotten brewers vote if he were still sitting.
Because religion is a choice....religion is not an arbitrary and unchangeable attribute.
I left who were my "brothers". I'm not returning.
Lawyer sounds like Saul Goodman.
Has anyone ever offered real, quantifiable evidence that showed diversity was a net good? For example. given a task with various steps that lead to a measurable end, do "diverse" groups (in quotes since I've never heard a good definition of diversity) do better than homogenous groups? I know an argument was made by one of the lawyers that seemed to answer this question: He gave an example of a "diverse" group having more success in investing their funds than a non-"diverse" group. Do you think a group of racially diverse people who all grew up together in a suburban neighborhood will be more successful than a racially homogenous group that come from all parts of the social and financial spectrum? I would argue that later is the more diverse group. Or has "diversity is good" just become a truism that should be accepted and never questioned? I think it was Thomas Sowell who said something like our strength is not diversity, it's the ability to get along despite it. See Balkans
I would like to know what these "27 Religious Dominations" are?
Denominations
The worst that will happen if Ivy League universities make academic capabilities unimportant in admissions is that obtaining a degree from one of them will no longer impress potential employers.
Large US employers think like the Ivy League universities these days, so that won't happen across the board. But so long as government regulation is kept to a minimum, the best and most persistent young people of all backgrounds will continue to find their own path to success in the US.
@@kegaket6772 I was being cynical, but you are 100% correct.
@@Reach41 I understand. Elitist racism makes me cynical sometimes. But it's actions like this lawsuit that give me hope. I went to one of these schools many years ago on a scholarship. I'm not sure what they're doing with admissions these days, but I stopped caring about that school many years ago, ever since I came to the realization that I disagree with them on just about every subject that matters, unfortunately.
Just say you’re Native American, I here it has worked for others at Harvard.
how to consider mixed race student half black and half Asian?
To Harvard-- Diversity equal minority ethnic group or LGBT.
these lawyers are exactly why america is sliding into the abyss
PROBLEM: Opportunities based on race, gender, and/or sexual orientation.
SOLUTION: Opportunities based on race, gender, and/or sexual orientation.
Personality interview score also rates applicant for integrity (honesty). Asian students as a group score lower than blacks, Hispanics and whites. As a group Asians score so low that it negates their high SAT scores. That is pretty bad for an ethnic group to be exposed by the interview to be in general so dishonest. So if all major US colleges use Harvard fair and valid method for scoring applicants can a company assume most Asians who are not honest enough to be admitted should not be hire. No matter how smart you are being proven to be dishonest is not worth the risk for employers.
In every public forum we must ask the questions that expose the irrational and adolescent worldview of the Left. Let the public at large recognize this nuttiness for what it is.
The problem with this country is that we have too many intelligent minds that know so much about nothing and make what they think are " intellectual" comments in this forum to impress people , but I am not impressed. I bet if I ask everybody here to pinpoint the geographical location of Washington DC on a "contour" map of the USA without any words, nobody here could, I rest my case, if I am wrong, I am wrong!
Harvard said they have 45 religions in the student body, but are they proportional to the population makeup (like their race-based quota tried to achieve)?
depending on what the majority want to go for (ie Roberts) Kagan may just sign on
Asians include people in Turkey, Iran, all the way to Japan.
Greta First question ! He replies "its already diverse" well if they stop Affirmative action there STILL would be diversity ..so ..there you go NO problem.. Also WHAT is the breakdown?
Harvard and other discriminators must sacrifice their obo players and art museums and quit discriminating on the basis of race.
thats true.. why not asking about gender and religion and 100000 other things?
Funny how race becomes a factor to having the opportunity to pursue a higher education but does NOT factor into sports. They BOTH should be treated as color WASN'T a deciding factor
Impossible to tell what anyone’s race is anymore. everyone in the usa is a mix of races. This is absurd. They don’t track religions because there are so many and the student body is so diverse. Same with race-there is already a giant mix of races
My speculation is that the final order will be more about how long they get to discriminate than can they.
Greatly values religious diversity. Yeah. Sure.
You can choose your religion, you cannot choose your RACE....
If the religion is so diverse then why not track it so you like diversity so much?
The question should be: "Do they really like Beer" ??
Does BRETT-BOY still love and drink beer to pass out??
Lately he's just passing out ass whoopings to liberals.
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Bunk
All the knowledge and yet no wisdom
Not on their question papers to get into their education about which religion ideas of faith and which they are of , or income to cover the bills of the education available to pay the cost of education , and if one has more money than they need to go to their education system doesn't get shown to the system of the school like a new part of the school to built bribe by parents?...
Harvard and rest of Ivy League aren’t what they used to be. It’s now overrated.
Stop Asian Hate
CHAPPAQUIDDICK
Try higher education for those who have proven academic ability. Start in grade school by teaching other than sex and racism, that certain children are innately dumb…you know what I mean!
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I wonder what that crazy black women judge that doesn't know what a woman is does all day there. Make coffe? They must be having a good ol' time with her there now.
Mr "I like beer"