Just purchased a mint condition Jupiter 8. It is truly magical. I would not change it for a digital emulator. It has re-inspired my musical creativity after 40 years as a musician.
I was on £80 a week living in a cheap flat with my girlfriend and yet with help from my dad I bought a brand new Roland Jupiter 8! I cannot tell you how it felt to come home from a hard day's work on a building site, walk through the door and see this gorgeous looking keyboard waiting for me to switch it on. It was absolute musical heaven. 😎
Indeed. These people have completely lost their minds. I mean, yes. The Jup 8 is a beast. But it's also 40 years old and if it breaks you can't find certain components anymore; Remember the EU banned parts that have lead inside for more than a decade already. Besides that, there are many newer synths, the Moog One, the Prophet 10 e.g. which cost a fraction and are a lot better on any level than the old Jup8. Imo a fair price for the 8 would be around 4k. Not more. But people are asking 10 times that. Totally laughable.
And to say today the 80 bucks TAL-J8 sounds exactly the same. Sometimes even better imo. Not hating on the JUP; it's a total animal and I'd get one in an instant if I found someone who would pay 40k for a testicle. But apart from that, it's just hillarious, the prices they ask; It's imo the lousiest investment you can make.
For me it was $500 at the local music store in Indiana. Nobody wanted it, we all wanted the Korg M1 at the time so there it sat with a white tag with a price of $500.
6:28 I think he forgot about some modern VCO synths. Prophet 6, as mentioned, but also the OB-6, Arturia PolyBrute, Modal 008, Schmidt, Baloran The River, Korg Prologue, Moog One, Deckard's Dream, MFB Synth 8, and now Prophet 5/10 reissues. And I may me missing some still!
Actually having this keyboard a one's fingertips presents an entire different creative scape than any other form of it's off-spins, let alone rivals.. As for PERFORMANCE, nothing truly beats this keyboard's ability to create live sounds, be it mixing/fading from Upper to Lower sounds (then switching sounds to fade back & forth).. live slider fades & soundscape nuances.. had many younger generation players take a spin on this keyboard, & they all vehemently say there's no substitution for this beast. Yes, its heavy, yes its fragile, yes it defies age, but no, there is no true substitution for this analogue sound source. Thick-as-molasses, defying even digital cleanliness!
A wonderful performance instrument to have sitting in front of you for sure. Always amazed how non vintage it looks despite its age. But the sound for me is rather neutral and not unlike the Prophet in this regard which I always thought sounded bigger. But in the end, it's a great poly synth, certainly up there with the Prophets but definitely not as musical and warm as the Oberheims. The Jupiter's sound great, but Obies just make you smile as you play them. If you really need the Roland sound neutrality, for the $ I'd go with the MKS-80 Rev 5 which sounds about 98% the same but has a better lower end, and is more stable and reliable, has midi built in and more storage.
Back in '83 I finally saved enough money for a JP-8 ($3,400) but chose to buy a JP-6, JX-3P and still had enough change for a SDE-1000...never regretted it. I still use my old JP-6 alongside the JP-X, which I also love. I kept the JP-6 all these years simply because it's the most unique sounding member of the JP family. Still waiting for a JP-6 model for the JP-X ti do a side by side comparison.
The Jupiter 8 came about at a time when synth makers were striving to make the most stable sounding, clean synths possible - in other words they were shooting for the tonal qualities that digital synths were soon able to deliver. Because of that, I find the late analog synths such as the Jupiter 8 to be overrated as *analog* synths. A CS-80 represents the epitome of an analog poly that has all the character of *analog*. The J8 never moved me as an analog synth because it sounds almost digital in its “perfection”. Given the choice, I would choose a Jupiter 4 over the 8 every time.
6. Looks. 7. Feel. 8. (most important) Exclusivity!!! That's why it's called Jupiter-8. :) Okay, seriously now. Roland spared no expense designing and building the Jupiter-8. The high quality componentry contribute to all the above attributes, so that the instrument is complex, powerful, sounds great, all the sliders a knobs feel great, and it's rarer and rarer, so that the exclusivity part plays a big part in the price. Not to mention the creed in '80's albums and such.
I disagree that the JP8 was the fattest synth, the MemoryMoog was, MKS80 and the P5 was also fatter than the JP8. The JP8 was flexible easy to program and sat in a mix very well (as it was not so fat). Also they were the most reliable synth I just switched one on after 23 years in a flightcase and it is making decent sounds it needs a bit of work but that is amazing!. PS the CS80 was no more difficult to use than the JP8
Memorymoog is the fattest polysynth of that era in my opinion, but I prefer Roland filters to the Moog filter, which is harsh and gritty. Also the split and dual keyboard modes on the JP-8 are a huge advantage over the 6-voice single keyboard mode of the MM. Given a choice without considering cost, the JP-8 is a no-brainer over the MM. However, for less money I'd prefer an OB-8 plus the Super Jupiter module (MKS-80). I guess it comes down to personal taste and the kinds of sounds I like designing.
I appreciate the depth of the explanation but it seems the audio of the Jupiter 8 is featured in an unfavorable manner... There is another video called "A closer look at the Jupiter 8" that has way better sound coming out of the Jupiter 8 that beats the modern versions.
There is one, actually. The Ise-Nin by Black Corporation. Probably the best attempt in making a recreation of the JP8. Deserves a mention, I think. But it’s not cheap to build it, like he says.
Basically if you have lots of gear in the studio it’s always going to be difficult to bring something in to the family. The gear I have I would have to sell in order to bring it in. But a Jupiter X? Affordable in comparison and would give me a modern spin on a classic. Maybe. Love all the videos. As far as the video on the JD800 on Alamo music. I really love it. I couldn’t see ever letting it go. 👍
Korg Prologue is King in the cheapest analog poly with the most VCO's. Korg Prologue = Less is more ALOT MORE. :) Thats why i will look into my wallet for coming Christmas. Korg Prologue ladies and gentleman, who would have tought that.
Yes I would agree - it's musicality hit me straight away when I played one. A really very musical synth and easily as nice sounding (and often better) than many vintage synths that costs four times +++ the amount.
It's nice. Roland didn't have to go with pitch bend/mod wheels like almost everyone else did (aside from Korg). Roland instruments were strong enough sonically, and good looking enough, that one didn't mind a different bender design at all.
James Lloyd of Pieces of a Dream confirmed this to me many years ago that the Jupiter 8 would not hold up during a touring season. Great board in the studio. Tractor trailer jolts and of the sorts were not good for this unit as well as air flight and baggage handlers.
We did another video on drum machines that touches on the CR8000 - ua-cam.com/video/ogGuk0tTeIw/v-deo.html - there is also a part 2 to this video which will show it in use!
"The JP8 won over the OB6" ... in the early 80's? Dual and split on any other (or contemporaneous) synth? That'd be the OBXa also. Easy for me though I guess since I have both here and I'm way, way older than you :( Good content though - the point about each LFO in a different layer being powerful is especially insightful - don't really mean to troll ;) (I pressed the like button BTW 👍)
Yes , nice video but an awful lot of mistakes ! The Oberheim Matrix 12 is generally referred to as the " King " of analog poly synths , and the Prophet 5 is definitely the most iconic. The Oberheim OBXA also had a lot of the features of the Jupiter 8 ( not quite as many ) but a lot. I also was buying and playing these monsters back in the early 80s and still do so today. Nice to see a younger person taking an interest.
I found a Jupiter 8 for 65,000 which is a staggering amount of money! I wouldn’t spent a since 40k on one or 30 20 10 maybe 1k is fine and below but the prices of these 80’s magical sound making machines is gone to far from it original price
As a musician, collector and enthusiast I would never spend more than $3,500 on any vintage. I always set my limits 1k-3k max in excellent condition. Anything more than this is just insane and not worth it as you stated. I can do with out . With patience you can find great deals. But 16k-65k for a Jupiter nowadays ? .. no way just insane. It’s not that magical lol
@@johnapitoe1758 Im well aware as a collector...but I use to say that about some of the records that were sought after in the boogie funk world ..and years later always find them cheaper. as I said... patience. But with the Jupiter 8 id have to agree with you... I don't see the price ever coming down on that. Only time will tell..wont matter to me. Im not spending the price of a new car on any synth..
@@electrowayne2918 a lot of the times I don’t spend retail on synths cause I’m a Craigslist rat lol. I got a korg polysix and a bass Rhodes for $300 two weeks ago lol
The Jupiter 8 should have had a small bit of effects on it to really compare with the Jupiter X as most all the new boards have effects built into their patches. The choices of patches the player pulled up were more noisy and less musical than the ones pulled up on the Jupiter X but overall the classic sounds real and the new remakes sound like plug ins but very close. Not Real VCO's however.
Jupiter-8 requires the professional infrastructure to sounds like the Universe. When one buys the JP-8, it is assumed that one already has a top notch mixing console, with many outboard effectors, compressors, and such. The same goes for the DX7. Since the D-50 though, things changed quite a bit. The D-50 sounds like the Universe by itself.
Disagree. The DX7 and sampling defined the 80s. Jupiter 8 had some high profile hits, but a fraction of the OB-X/Xa and Prophet 5, respectively. An important synth, but I hear wayyyy more Prophet 5 in the 80s than anything else.
@ghost mall how they heck did mint condition JP-8's I saw listed In 2020 on reverb only go for 14K-18K during the pandemic , and all of a sudden all these synths and vintage gear shot up more than double In price...
How is the CS-80 more complicated than the JP-8? Unison is not unique to Roland. Love your passion, but there are numerous erroneous statements in this video. Would be happy to help you in the development if these if you have questions. Keep at it, you have the basis for a great channel!
It's more complicated because the CS-80 doesn't use a Microprocessor. It's all discrete components. It also has weighted keys, polyphonic aftertouch and velocity, with a touch ribbon for extra expression and extra modulation sources. It weighs 100kg for a reason. He wasn't incorrect in the slightest.
@@benanderson89 That's not why it's more complicated. That's a list of features. Look at the filters. They take a lot of getting your head around - I had a CS60 for 40 years and they are unlike anything else I've ever used. My Jupiter 8's are not. The poster above's point about unison though, misses the fact that on the JP8 it splits the unison automatically for however many notes you play at any given moment instantaneously. That's a massive, massive feature.
@@DoctorJezz Features are what makes a synth complicated, and the CS80 is packed full of features that wouldn't become commonplace until at least the 1990s. Add in that it doesn't use a microprocessor but instead discrete logic, those features had to be implemented in an esoteric way to make them work, like how the "patch memory" is just four miniaturised versions of the entire front panel under a flap in the top left corner.
@@benanderson89 Why are you telling me this? Clearly I know these things, I've used the memory under the flaps extensively in my own studio for decades. I still have a plenty of vintage analogues, including the JP8. You're simply re-listing things you've read on the internet and miss the point entirely, but if that's what you want, you win the top trumps listing prize.
@@DoctorJezz I haven't missed the point entirely. It's a complicated synthesizer because of its many features, features that had to be implemented with terrible mid 70s technology. Hell, your response to me listing its features was to basically say "it's not the features" and then tell me about one of its features (the filter). There shouldn't be an argument over this but wow, you seem hell-bent on doing just that. Couldn't you do something better with your Sunday?
I love watching these "old" (3 years ain't that long really) videos and they're like.. "is it worth the 18K people are asking for it?" It's freaking 30K now lmao
Investment? For non-musicians maybe... Prices are ridiculous, really absurd. It has come to a point where no one will spend that amount of money. I know Jp 8's are rare, but nowadays sellers only speculate for getting big big big money, instead of selling it as an instrument for a musician. Owned one of these, a 12 bit one, for many years. Given the prices and sound of new modern analog synths, I wouldn't spend more on a jp8 then the price of a new prophet 5 rev 4....
Very well said and I’ve been saying this forever. The prices are just insane. I’ll keep my prophet 5 for now . If a J8 comes available for 3k- id Jump on it . Anything upwards from there is absurd
@@electrowayne2918Exactly. Still saving money for a Prophet 5...meanwhile I'll stick to my vintage JX synths. Good editing makes perfect sounds, more powerful than overpriced Juno 60 or 106. After all, its about taste and editing skills I think.
@@AnalogDreamJP8 We think alike my friend. My Mint in the box with original manuals JX8p is in transit as we speak. Cant wait to get it. And i didn't spend over 1k for it. This is the beauty of going with sonic capabilities and not just vintage hype while still having hardware. I have an Alpha Juno 2 that has served me just right without having to spend the cash on an over priced 106 with failing chips or 60. So I cannot wait to get the 8p and the 3p is next on my list. As you said a good programmer can make just about anything sound good! And the JX series has always been my cup of tea. If the price is right id get a 60 or 106 but im not losng sleep over them.
Definitely not worth it .the junos are going through the roof as well.i have the system 8 and to me its stunning.if you can get close to the sound of an original its a no brainer.the wonderful deepmind 12 is a juno on steroids,but can sound like any other great oldie synth no matter what the make.good vid mate by the way.
The Junos sound great and are worth the current used prices if brand new but not the ridiculous current ebay prices. Jupiter 8 is collectors only, no need to spend that much to get inspired and have the sound, the System 8 and zenology are good enough for my ears and you are far better off getting a Prophet or similar for a fraction of the price to get you a bit of that analog fluidity in the mix, a Tetra does it for me. Ebay is a joke now for vintage synths, not even worth wasting time.
System 8 really doesn't sound quite like analog. The Jupiter X, though, does almost everything just as well, however the supersaw chord of the Jupiter 8 just can't be beat. Not saying it's worth $16k, but digital won't compare to analog
Don't forget. The moment it's gets through your door, it's days are numbered. Sooner or later it will fail, FACT. In my humble opinion, the latest incarnations are dame good.
@@MegaBadgeman then bring it to a tech to repair like huh.if you want analog warmth synths, they cost money, and maintenance now. if its too expensive, you just cant afford it.
This… once again shows the awesome sound of true analog. Nothing… nothing, gets that from any VST today. Therefore it is unique and unreachable. The sad truth that has ended the 80’s era of such music. The new wave of 80’s synth is resembling the old. But is not there. The magic is fading..
Try the G-Force OB-E or the Synapse Obsession. I used to think like you but that is passed time. The Jupiter 8 was and still is a beast but it's technology is over 40 years old. The world moved on and while digital and VST's did take their time to catch up, they now have imo. You can make sounds with VST's a Jup 8 can't come close to. Modern computers have so much more power than the good old Jup, you can assign almost as many voices as you want. The Jup8 goes for over 20k these days. That is absolutely laughable imo. It's old tech. The caps need to be all replaced. And it's not even sure you will find ll the components. What will you do if the LCD breaks or some know or the CPU?
@@harveyspecterdj6661I will listen to the recomendations on SW synths. I am ok with software, I like some synths and especially when they have sampled real gear or pianos for software use. Have a lot of plugins I have bought. Also built some HW, U47 clones and other gear. I try to find a good balance between SW and HW. Some gear is best in HW and then SW is good at some other things. Also a blend of SW and HW reverbs can do a good trick. Staying only/mostly in the box, I found to restrictive in favour of the more "modern" sound.
@@leonevskiI totally agree. I have quite a few HW synths too but rarely use them and when I do, in the mix, they do not sound better or worse than the better of the software versions. Some however still do. I own both a HW JX3P and D50. I compared them to RolandCloud's own software versions. The JX3P is pretty ok. It needs some more sub low in software and you need to tame the highs a little bit; Then they are nearly indistinguishable. The D50 sounds a lot muddier in software sadly. The old HW sounds more alive, wider. But as said, the best software sytnhs can imo stack up against my rev2 or Summit or Prologue. In the end I love synths and it's fun to play with the hardware beasts.They have nostalgic value too 😀 When I restarted with music I swore to myself I would keep it small this time. No more 15 synths. Just plugins. Right? Well somehow that went wrong haha 😀What can we say, boys with toys hehe
@@harveyspecterdj6661 Yes, there is some fun using HW gear and I do also have the original jx3p, d50, jx8p(espen kraft sold it to me) and a few rack synths. The TX7(DX7) has some interesting sounds that are hard to find in software. Similiar sounds can be found in SW synths though. Also used the vintage vault sample synths/drum machines. Some good software reverbs get really close to HW. I think much of the sound and change in character is done in the AD/DA conversion and bit rate. The DX7 is 16 bit or less, compared to todays soundcards 🤔😎. Where I find the biggest change in sound is HW signal input, where HW can make or break a good sound. We compared the U47 to a Wagner U47, and there was a big difference in how much software eq they could take.
Behringer in my opinion has the worst tech support and you will not be able to get any parts once it breaks, talking from experience, stay away, ROLAND is and always will be one of the best.
@@CesenaticoOfficial Honestly Rolland seems to have finally nailed it digitally with the X. I'm not sure that many including the most well trained could tell much difference in the two.
Man this really shows just how piss poor the System 8 was in regards to Dynamic Range, Drift, warmth, etc. Now from everything that I am hearing here and in other videos, the X is better than the original at everything but some of the bass stuff, and even that is minimal difference at best. The X is the best thing that Roland has ever done, and since they are a digital company to them, Kudos to them for finally releasing a digital synth worthy of being better than the original!
For all intents and purposes the Jup8 and System 8 sound identical ua-cam.com/video/G9GTOxcqu5c/v-deo.html The system 8 has a condition setting so you can 'age' the sound.
@@antonystannard3333 Ahh, no offense but it does not. The System 8 has no dynamic range at all, and it's extremely harsh. The EQ's and overall output are brickwalled much in the same sense that EDM does to master their tracks. Also the drifting of the ACB vs the real circuit are completely different. The only thing the "age" does is distort waveforms slightly and add noise and a slight bit of audible distortion so the overall output sounds more aged. While this seems like a great idea, it's just not what it should have been. The new Zen engine on the other hand is far from this. It has fixed the Dynamic Range to be a lot more natural, and its drift settings can really make it sound like a real aged Jupiter. Anyone that owns the real deal that I have talked to say the new Zen Engine stuff is pretty much spot on while they all thought the ACB stuff was garbage, mainly for the same reasons I just pointed out. With all that said, Roland in my opinion (and same as everyone I have talked to that owns the original Jup 8) with Zen have finally properly cloned their old circuits, and if you have a System 8 I urge you to try out the Roland Cloud Zenology stuff, as its the exact same setup you get with the JupX. I can't wait for them to clone more hardware with this tech as it's about the most natural analog VSTs that I have yet to ever hear.
@@antonystannard3333 Lol, was just explaining the real difference between the System 8 and real hardware. Rolands new tech that is not available on the System 8 is lightyears better and actually almost sounds like the real hardware. :)
@@lorenmorgan1931 you do know that acb is Roland's most accurate recreation of old gear including jp8? Abm is less processor hungry but as a result a less accurate representation. To your ears it may sound better but so far as an accurate recreation of old synths acb is the more accurate.
@@iSirTaki AMEN!! I have one too and totally agree. I have watch several of their videos and I'm not impressed. It's like he's just winging it. I really expected much better.
Just purchased a mint condition Jupiter 8. It is truly magical. I would not change it for a digital emulator. It has re-inspired my musical creativity after 40 years as a musician.
sure you did
Aint nuttin but the real thing
I was on £80 a week living in a cheap flat with my girlfriend and yet with help from my dad I bought a brand new Roland Jupiter 8! I cannot tell you how it felt to come home from a hard day's work on a building site, walk through the door and see this gorgeous looking keyboard waiting for me to switch it on. It was absolute musical heaven. 😎
I’m all for the newer less expensive synths. pS really loving this channel
The most watched channel for me. Ever. This guy was in my living room daily. Like right now
lol cheapest one I've seen for sale was $33,000 while the most expensive was $65,000
I know, I see one for $40,000 currently on eBay, and several half that and less, but of course the condition plays a big part, too.
Indeed. These people have completely lost their minds. I mean, yes. The Jup 8 is a beast. But it's also 40 years old and if it breaks you can't find certain components anymore; Remember the EU banned parts that have lead inside for more than a decade already. Besides that, there are many newer synths, the Moog One, the Prophet 10 e.g. which cost a fraction and are a lot better on any level than the old Jup8. Imo a fair price for the 8 would be around 4k. Not more. But people are asking 10 times that. Totally laughable.
And to say today the 80 bucks TAL-J8 sounds exactly the same. Sometimes even better imo. Not hating on the JUP; it's a total animal and I'd get one in an instant if I found someone who would pay 40k for a testicle. But apart from that, it's just hillarious, the prices they ask; It's imo the lousiest investment you can make.
For me it was $500 at the local music store in Indiana. Nobody wanted it, we all wanted the Korg M1 at the time so there it sat with a white tag with a price of $500.
It is well over 50.000 usd and deserves this
6:28 I think he forgot about some modern VCO synths. Prophet 6, as mentioned, but also the OB-6, Arturia PolyBrute, Modal 008, Schmidt, Baloran The River, Korg Prologue, Moog One, Deckard's Dream, MFB Synth 8, and now Prophet 5/10 reissues. And I may me missing some still!
Omega 8
Wait, there's a synth called "Deckard's Dream" ?! OOOOH
@@DuaLeaD I believe it's a rack mount remake of the CS-80. Cheeky name lol
This video spreads so much rubbish information, it's hurting me
Behringer will clone it eventually.
Zach: "doubt anyone is gonna clone these"
Behringer: "Hold my oscillator"
😂😂😂
This is a really cool small channel. Awesome work, you'll grow that's a fact but I'll mention your channel in a video to maybe help to movement.
Thank you!!
Actually having this keyboard a one's fingertips presents an entire different creative scape than any other form of it's off-spins, let alone rivals..
As for PERFORMANCE, nothing truly beats this keyboard's ability to create live sounds, be it mixing/fading from Upper to Lower sounds (then switching sounds to fade back & forth).. live slider fades & soundscape nuances.. had many younger generation players take a spin on this keyboard, & they all vehemently say there's no substitution for this beast. Yes, its heavy, yes its fragile, yes it defies age, but no, there is no true substitution for this analogue sound source. Thick-as-molasses, defying even digital cleanliness!
A wonderful performance instrument to have sitting in front of you for sure. Always amazed how non vintage it looks despite its age. But the sound for me is rather neutral and not unlike the Prophet in this regard which I always thought sounded bigger. But in the end, it's a great poly synth, certainly up there with the Prophets but definitely not as musical and warm as the Oberheims. The Jupiter's sound great, but Obies just make you smile as you play them. If you really need the Roland sound neutrality, for the $ I'd go with the MKS-80 Rev 5 which sounds about 98% the same but has a better lower end, and is more stable and reliable, has midi built in and more storage.
JUPITER - X AAAAAAAAALL THE WAY! 🤟🏻😎
Back in '83 I finally saved enough money for a JP-8 ($3,400) but chose to buy a JP-6, JX-3P and still had enough change for a SDE-1000...never regretted it.
I still use my old JP-6 alongside the JP-X, which I also love.
I kept the JP-6 all these years simply because it's the most unique sounding member of the JP family.
Still waiting for a JP-6 model for the JP-X ti do a side by side comparison.
The Jupiter 8 came about at a time when synth makers were striving to make the most stable sounding, clean synths possible - in other words they were shooting for the tonal qualities that digital synths were soon able to deliver. Because of that, I find the late analog synths such as the Jupiter 8 to be overrated as *analog* synths. A CS-80 represents the epitome of an analog poly that has all the character of *analog*. The J8 never moved me as an analog synth because it sounds almost digital in its “perfection”. Given the choice, I would choose a Jupiter 4 over the 8 every time.
Excellent and informative video. Subscribed :)
6. Looks. 7. Feel. 8. (most important) Exclusivity!!! That's why it's called Jupiter-8. :) Okay, seriously now. Roland spared no expense designing and building the Jupiter-8. The high quality componentry contribute to all the above attributes, so that the instrument is complex, powerful, sounds great, all the sliders a knobs feel great, and it's rarer and rarer, so that the exclusivity part plays a big part in the price. Not to mention the creed in '80's albums and such.
Love the channel
Thank you!
I disagree that the JP8 was the fattest synth, the MemoryMoog was, MKS80 and the P5 was also fatter than the JP8. The JP8 was flexible easy to program and sat in a mix very well (as it was not so fat). Also they were the most reliable synth I just switched one on after 23 years in a flightcase and it is making decent sounds it needs a bit of work but that is amazing!. PS the CS80 was no more difficult to use than the JP8
Jupiter X all the way
Memorymoog is the fattest polysynth of that era in my opinion, but I prefer Roland filters to the Moog filter, which is harsh and gritty. Also the split and dual keyboard modes on the JP-8 are a huge advantage over the 6-voice single keyboard mode of the MM. Given a choice without considering cost, the JP-8 is a no-brainer over the MM. However, for less money I'd prefer an OB-8 plus the Super Jupiter module (MKS-80). I guess it comes down to personal taste and the kinds of sounds I like designing.
I appreciate the depth of the explanation but it seems the audio of the Jupiter 8 is featured in an unfavorable manner... There is another video called "A closer look at the Jupiter 8" that has way better sound coming out of the Jupiter 8 that beats the modern versions.
There is one, actually. The Ise-Nin by Black Corporation. Probably the best attempt in making a recreation of the JP8. Deserves a mention, I think. But it’s not cheap to build it, like he says.
Basically if you have lots of gear in the studio it’s always going to be difficult to bring something in to the family. The gear I have I would have to sell in order to bring it in.
But a Jupiter X? Affordable in comparison and would give me a modern spin on a classic. Maybe. Love all the videos.
As far as the video on the JD800 on Alamo music. I really love it. I couldn’t see ever letting it go. 👍
One of the rolls royce of synths
@AlamoMusicAudioLab Is it my impression or the system 8 sounds fatter then the Jupiter X ? Or is it just the way is setup/adjustment ?
You could say that
The Aira based System 8 (like the Roland Cloud Jupiter 8 surely sounds more like the vintage Jupiter 8 than the Zencore based Jupiter X
Well...we're now at $22K - $28K.
Yes it is
Jupiter 8, It’s not worth it.
Just get a drummer like Matt Johnson and borrow his Jupiter 8, he doesn't need it anyway. :)
Prophet T8, there someone had to say it, fat sound and Polyphonic aftertouch
Also has unison, split, and dual mode. Those are not unique to the Jupiter 8! Not to mention it's modulation capabilities.
Korg Prologue is King in the cheapest analog poly with the most VCO's. Korg Prologue = Less is more ALOT MORE. :) Thats why i will look into my wallet for coming Christmas. Korg Prologue ladies and gentleman, who would have tought that.
Yes I would agree - it's musicality hit me straight away when I played one. A really very musical synth and easily as nice sounding (and often better) than many vintage synths that costs four times +++ the amount.
I prefer TAL Audio and a new car
One thing I love about Roland is the bender.
It's nice. Roland didn't have to go with pitch bend/mod wheels like almost everyone else did (aside from Korg). Roland instruments were strong enough sonically, and good looking enough, that one didn't mind a different bender design at all.
Randy finally gets some credit in this video, I knew it was someone else hands in the other videos. 😂
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"the king of all polysynths" but no cs-80 in sight?
It is not good for touring. It is excellent in the studio.
James Lloyd of Pieces of a Dream confirmed this to me many years ago that the Jupiter 8 would not hold up during a touring season. Great board in the studio. Tractor trailer jolts and of the sorts were not good for this unit as well as air flight and baggage handlers.
I came here for the cr8000 but never was it used??:(
We did another video on drum machines that touches on the CR8000 - ua-cam.com/video/ogGuk0tTeIw/v-deo.html - there is also a part 2 to this video which will show it in use!
@@asoundlab wow yesss, thank u
"The JP8 won over the OB6" ... in the early 80's? Dual and split on any other (or contemporaneous) synth? That'd be the OBXa also. Easy for me though I guess since I have both here and I'm way, way older than you :( Good content though - the point about each LFO in a different layer being powerful is especially insightful - don't really mean to troll ;) (I pressed the like button BTW 👍)
Yes, need an edit there! Thanks for the feedback :)
Yes , nice video but an awful lot of mistakes ! The Oberheim Matrix 12 is generally referred to as the " King " of analog poly synths , and the Prophet 5 is definitely the most iconic. The Oberheim OBXA also had a lot of the features of the Jupiter 8 ( not quite as many ) but a lot. I also was buying and playing these monsters back in the early 80s and still do so today. Nice to see a younger person taking an interest.
He also forgot about to mention the Prophet T8 although it came out 2 years later
I found a Jupiter 8 for 65,000 which is a staggering amount of money! I wouldn’t spent a since 40k on one or 30 20 10 maybe 1k is fine and below but the prices of these 80’s magical sound making machines is gone to far from it original price
As a musician, collector and enthusiast I would never spend more than $3,500 on any vintage. I always set my limits 1k-3k max in excellent condition. Anything more than this is just insane and not worth it as you stated. I can do with out . With patience you can find great deals. But 16k-65k for a Jupiter nowadays ? .. no way just insane. It’s not that magical lol
@@electrowayne2918 that’s because like anything sought after, the price only goes up, never down.
@@johnapitoe1758 Im well aware as a collector...but I use to say that about some of the records that were sought after in the boogie funk world ..and years later always find them cheaper. as I said... patience. But with the Jupiter 8 id have to agree with you... I don't see the price ever coming down on that. Only time will tell..wont matter to me. Im not spending the price of a new car on any synth..
@@electrowayne2918 it’s weird too cause it’s increased by 10k since this video, I agree w the records too…huge vinyl collector
@@electrowayne2918 a lot of the times I don’t spend retail on synths cause I’m a Craigslist rat lol. I got a korg polysix and a bass Rhodes for $300 two weeks ago lol
The Jupiter 8 should have had a small bit of effects on it to really compare with the Jupiter X as most all the new boards have effects built into their patches. The choices of patches the player pulled up were more noisy and less musical than the ones pulled up on the Jupiter X but overall the classic sounds real and the new remakes sound like plug ins but very close. Not Real VCO's however.
Jupiter-8 requires the professional infrastructure to sounds like the Universe. When one buys the JP-8, it is assumed that one already has a top notch mixing console, with many outboard effectors, compressors, and such. The same goes for the DX7. Since the D-50 though, things changed quite a bit. The D-50 sounds like the Universe by itself.
Wha??? Most of the X patches he pulled up were noisier/sounded like garbage!
It defined the 80's, they are unique and few in existence, the vintage Ferrari of Synths. If you think its too expensive, means you can't afford it.
Disagree. The DX7 and sampling defined the 80s. Jupiter 8 had some high profile hits, but a fraction of the OB-X/Xa and Prophet 5, respectively. An important synth, but I hear wayyyy more Prophet 5 in the 80s than anything else.
What would you do with Jupiter 8 that you can't do on other classics. Enlighten me.
@ghost mall how they heck did mint condition JP-8's I saw listed In 2020 on reverb only go for 14K-18K during the pandemic , and all of a sudden all these synths and vintage gear shot up more than double In price...
How is the CS-80 more complicated than the JP-8? Unison is not unique to Roland. Love your passion, but there are numerous erroneous statements in this video. Would be happy to help you in the development if these if you have questions. Keep at it, you have the basis for a great channel!
It's more complicated because the CS-80 doesn't use a Microprocessor. It's all discrete components. It also has weighted keys, polyphonic aftertouch and velocity, with a touch ribbon for extra expression and extra modulation sources. It weighs 100kg for a reason. He wasn't incorrect in the slightest.
@@benanderson89 That's not why it's more complicated. That's a list of features. Look at the filters. They take a lot of getting your head around - I had a CS60 for 40 years and they are unlike anything else I've ever used. My Jupiter 8's are not. The poster above's point about unison though, misses the fact that on the JP8 it splits the unison automatically for however many notes you play at any given moment instantaneously. That's a massive, massive feature.
@@DoctorJezz Features are what makes a synth complicated, and the CS80 is packed full of features that wouldn't become commonplace until at least the 1990s. Add in that it doesn't use a microprocessor but instead discrete logic, those features had to be implemented in an esoteric way to make them work, like how the "patch memory" is just four miniaturised versions of the entire front panel under a flap in the top left corner.
@@benanderson89 Why are you telling me this? Clearly I know these things, I've used the memory under the flaps extensively in my own studio for decades. I still have a plenty of vintage analogues, including the JP8. You're simply re-listing things you've read on the internet and miss the point entirely, but if that's what you want, you win the top trumps listing prize.
@@DoctorJezz I haven't missed the point entirely. It's a complicated synthesizer because of its many features, features that had to be implemented with terrible mid 70s technology. Hell, your response to me listing its features was to basically say "it's not the features" and then tell me about one of its features (the filter).
There shouldn't be an argument over this but wow, you seem hell-bent on doing just that. Couldn't you do something better with your Sunday?
Now they’re 25,000+
Jupiter X is way better
I love watching these "old" (3 years ain't that long really) videos and they're like.. "is it worth the 18K people are asking for it?"
It's freaking 30K now lmao
Investment? For non-musicians maybe... Prices are ridiculous, really absurd. It has come to a point where no one will spend that amount of money. I know Jp 8's are rare, but nowadays sellers only speculate for getting big big big money, instead of selling it as an instrument for a musician. Owned one of these, a 12 bit one, for many years. Given the prices and sound of new modern analog synths, I wouldn't spend more on a jp8 then the price of a new prophet 5 rev 4....
Very well said and I’ve been saying this forever. The prices are just insane. I’ll keep my prophet 5 for now . If a J8 comes available for 3k- id Jump on it . Anything upwards from there is absurd
@@electrowayne2918Exactly. Still saving money for a Prophet 5...meanwhile I'll stick to my vintage JX synths. Good editing makes perfect sounds, more powerful than overpriced Juno 60 or 106. After all, its about taste and editing skills I think.
@@AnalogDreamJP8 We think alike my friend. My Mint in the box with original manuals JX8p is in transit as we speak. Cant wait to get it. And i didn't spend over 1k for it. This is the beauty of going with sonic capabilities and not just vintage hype while still having hardware. I have an Alpha Juno 2 that has served me just right without having to spend the cash on an over priced 106 with failing chips or 60. So I cannot wait to get the 8p and the 3p is next on my list. As you said a good programmer can make just about anything sound good! And the JX series has always been my cup of tea. If the price is right id get a 60 or 106 but im not losng sleep over them.
It cost over $5000 when it was new in 1981
It was close to $6000. I believe it was listed at $5999.00!or $5999.99. I am not sure which.
It was listed at $5295.00. My correction to the previous post
@@jameshhenderson8243 $15,237.37 adjusted for inflation up to 2021
@@micro2cool the cheapest one that I have seen for sale was $18,000.00 plus up to 34k. A bit too steep for me.
My Hammond was 40 K in those days...🙈🙈🙈
uvi vintage vault 3 is good enough for me at 500
UVI's JP Legacy is the closest I have heard to a real JP8 UVI makes THEE best plug in's out there period.
It's definitely pretty....
Definitely not worth it .the junos are going through the roof as well.i have the system 8 and to me its stunning.if you can get close to the sound of an original its a no brainer.the wonderful deepmind 12 is a juno on steroids,but can sound like any other great oldie synth no matter what the make.good vid mate by the way.
The Junos sound great and are worth the current used prices if brand new but not the ridiculous current ebay prices. Jupiter 8 is collectors only, no need to spend that much to get inspired and have the sound, the System 8 and zenology are good enough for my ears and you are far better off getting a Prophet or similar for a fraction of the price to get you a bit of that analog fluidity in the mix, a Tetra does it for me. Ebay is a joke now for vintage synths, not even worth wasting time.
System 8 really doesn't sound quite like analog. The Jupiter X, though, does almost everything just as well, however the supersaw chord of the Jupiter 8 just can't be beat. Not saying it's worth $16k, but digital won't compare to analog
@@gelatinous6915 The Jupiter 8 doesn't have super saws. The super saw was introduced on the JP8000 in 1996.
Don't forget. The moment it's gets through your door, it's days are numbered. Sooner or later it will fail, FACT. In my humble opinion, the latest incarnations are dame good.
@@MegaBadgeman then bring it to a tech to repair like huh.if you want analog warmth synths, they cost money, and maintenance now. if its too expensive, you just cant afford it.
i think a lot of music could be done with this synth yet so far..
Ahem. The Prophet 5 is the king. :)
That's a simple NO....I have 3 here and paid no more than 1800 € for any of them...all working flawlessly.
I can’t really tell because the playing sounds like noise. Sorry 😐
This… once again shows the awesome sound of true analog. Nothing… nothing, gets that from any VST today. Therefore it is unique and unreachable. The sad truth that has ended the 80’s era of such music. The new wave of 80’s synth is resembling the old. But is not there. The magic is fading..
Try the G-Force OB-E or the Synapse Obsession. I used to think like you but that is passed time. The Jupiter 8 was and still is a beast but it's technology is over 40 years old. The world moved on and while digital and VST's did take their time to catch up, they now have imo. You can make sounds with VST's a Jup 8 can't come close to. Modern computers have so much more power than the good old Jup, you can assign almost as many voices as you want. The Jup8 goes for over 20k these days. That is absolutely laughable imo. It's old tech. The caps need to be all replaced. And it's not even sure you will find ll the components. What will you do if the LCD breaks or some know or the CPU?
@@harveyspecterdj6661I will listen to the recomendations on SW synths. I am ok with software, I like some synths and especially when they have sampled real gear or pianos for software use. Have a lot of plugins I have bought. Also built some HW, U47 clones and other gear. I try to find a good balance between SW and HW. Some gear is best in HW and then SW is good at some other things. Also a blend of SW and HW reverbs can do a good trick. Staying only/mostly in the box, I found to restrictive in favour of the more "modern" sound.
@@leonevskiI totally agree. I have quite a few HW synths too but rarely use them and when I do, in the mix, they do not sound better or worse than the better of the software versions. Some however still do. I own both a HW JX3P and D50. I compared them to RolandCloud's own software versions. The JX3P is pretty ok. It needs some more sub low in software and you need to tame the highs a little bit; Then they are nearly indistinguishable. The D50 sounds a lot muddier in software sadly. The old HW sounds more alive, wider. But as said, the best software sytnhs can imo stack up against my rev2 or Summit or Prologue. In the end I love synths and it's fun to play with the hardware beasts.They have nostalgic value too 😀 When I restarted with music I swore to myself I would keep it small this time. No more 15 synths. Just plugins. Right? Well somehow that went wrong haha 😀What can we say, boys with toys hehe
@@harveyspecterdj6661 Yes, there is some fun using HW gear and I do also have the original jx3p, d50, jx8p(espen kraft sold it to me) and a few rack synths. The TX7(DX7) has some interesting sounds that are hard to find in software. Similiar sounds can be found in SW synths though. Also used the vintage vault sample synths/drum machines. Some good software reverbs get really close to HW. I think much of the sound and change in character is done in the AD/DA conversion and bit rate. The DX7 is 16 bit or less, compared to todays soundcards 🤔😎. Where I find the biggest change in sound is HW signal input, where HW can make or break a good sound. We compared the U47 to a Wagner U47, and there was a big difference in how much software eq they could take.
Berhringer will solve this price issue :)
We all are waiting for the Jupiter 8 clone ;)
Behringer in my opinion has the worst tech support and you will not be able to get any parts once it breaks, talking from experience, stay away, ROLAND is and always will be one of the best.
My deep minds 12 comes darn close to the Jupiter in many ways, I've been waiting for a Jupiter 8 remake and gave up, they'll never do it.
@@CesenaticoOfficial Honestly Rolland seems to have finally nailed it digitally with the X. I'm not sure that many including the most well trained could tell much difference in the two.
The history of the EVIL Music with this Jupiter 8. It is not worth It.
$16k is tooooo low my brother. There are only a few hundred left in the world.
I swear my JD-800 weights a ton lol
JD-800 boutique next pls Roland
Jupiter 8's are well worth the money.
@ghost mall They tend to be over priced.
That is, if youreas ri c h as rupert hine
Man this really shows just how piss poor the System 8 was in regards to Dynamic Range, Drift, warmth, etc. Now from everything that I am hearing here and in other videos, the X is better than the original at everything but some of the bass stuff, and even that is minimal difference at best. The X is the best thing that Roland has ever done, and since they are a digital company to them, Kudos to them for finally releasing a digital synth worthy of being better than the original!
For all intents and purposes the Jup8 and System 8 sound identical ua-cam.com/video/G9GTOxcqu5c/v-deo.html The system 8 has a condition setting so you can 'age' the sound.
@@antonystannard3333 Ahh, no offense but it does not. The System 8 has no dynamic range at all, and it's extremely harsh. The EQ's and overall output are brickwalled much in the same sense that EDM does to master their tracks. Also the drifting of the ACB vs the real circuit are completely different. The only thing the "age" does is distort waveforms slightly and add noise and a slight bit of audible distortion so the overall output sounds more aged. While this seems like a great idea, it's just not what it should have been.
The new Zen engine on the other hand is far from this. It has fixed the Dynamic Range to be a lot more natural, and its drift settings can really make it sound like a real aged Jupiter. Anyone that owns the real deal that I have talked to say the new Zen Engine stuff is pretty much spot on while they all thought the ACB stuff was garbage, mainly for the same reasons I just pointed out.
With all that said, Roland in my opinion (and same as everyone I have talked to that owns the original Jup 8) with Zen have finally properly cloned their old circuits, and if you have a System 8 I urge you to try out the Roland Cloud Zenology stuff, as its the exact same setup you get with the JupX. I can't wait for them to clone more hardware with this tech as it's about the most natural analog VSTs that I have yet to ever hear.
@@lorenmorgan1931 Ahh no offence but I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
@@antonystannard3333 Lol, was just explaining the real difference between the System 8 and real hardware. Rolands new tech that is not available on the System 8 is lightyears better and actually almost sounds like the real hardware. :)
@@lorenmorgan1931 you do know that acb is Roland's most accurate recreation of old gear including jp8? Abm is less processor hungry but as a result a less accurate representation. To your ears it may sound better but so far as an accurate recreation of old synths acb is the more accurate.
Lol Jupiter 8 is definitely not the fattest polysynth ever made
The king of rip-offs. If you need a farty synth, get a Sequential and send me the rest of the money. 😂😳👍🤣
Hahaha stupid prise 😄🤣
"....he is our synth Bon Jovi"
But I HATE Bon Jovi....
Next time.... go with Michael Schenker. I Promise you’ll get WAAAAAAAY more mileage. 😉
16K for that crap?
What is it that you find crap about the Jup 8? I'm curious
You clearly dont know anything that you are talking about, the jupiter-8 was one of the best analog synths ever made
Wow. what a pathetic performance... this synth can sound so much better.
Wow. what a pathetic comment...
@Logic_Encrypted not necessary, I have one. That's why I can say what it is capable of.
@@iSirTaki I have one too. So what?
@@iSirTaki AMEN!! I have one too and totally agree. I have watch several of their videos and I'm not impressed. It's like he's just winging it. I really expected much better.
damn , your constant hick-ups and pauses in sentences is a torture to listen to