The Next Generation Fighter Pilot Helmets are Amazing
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- Опубліковано 12 лис 2023
- Recorded live at the Tailhook '23 convention, former Hornet pilot and current military technology expert Jeff Hoberg joins Mooch to talk about the next generation of helmets and sensors that will give aviators in the future a lot more situational awareness.
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AND today's fighter pilots grew up playing extremely fast paced video games with very complex maps and strategies. And they do it while chatting to their friends and eating snacks.
I think you'll find Fighter pilots are parts of the S-category in the Myers-Briggs personality range. Therefore, they do not play many video games.
@@jj4791Myers-Briggs has no basis in science, it is no more factual than star signs
A prof once taught me "information is data in formation"... didn't need to be a pilot for that to resonate but it makes sense for helmets too.
very professional interview
no wasted space, always informative
great stuff ward!
“Speed is life” Mooch says “Well not Tomcat fast”
Grumman delivers!
F-35C averages higher speeds on a given sortie since there isn't parasitic drag. Tomcats might occasionally dash for intercepts and never exceed 1.8 Mach, rarely break through 1.5 Mach.
@LRRPFco52
While carrying a very limited weapons when all buttoned up. Now if Fat Amy is in non-stealth mode then all that drag comes right back.
@@soonerfrac4611 F-35C can carry 4x2 without much parasitic drag. 4 internal plus 2x AIM-9X on stations 1 & 11.
F-14s often carried 2x2 (AIM-7/AIM-9) with parasitic drag from the wing glove pylons, even though the airframe included 4x semi-recessed stations for AIM-7s that actually lower the drag index due to coherent airflow in the tunnel managed by the exposed missile fins.
It was much easier for the ordnance guys to hang AIM-7s and AIM-9s off the wing glove pylons during cyclic operations.
If you go 2x2x2 in the F-14, the added weight of the AIM-54s reduced combat radius and made bring-back more difficult for the pilot, since he was returning with over 2000lbs extra weight, plus the Phoenix conformal pylon weights.
Operationally, the 8 AAM maximum A2A load was just rarely/never used. Looked cool in photo ops though.
So in practice, the F-35C sortie-generates with similar or more weapons, which have superior WEZ/NEZ parameters, meaning a 2-ship of F-35Cs has more stowed kills than a 2-ship of F-14Ds, quicker intercept times due to SA and aerodynamic efficiency, far longer mission radius by 100nm, and easier recovery on the boat than any fighter in Navy history.
Those same aircraft can be configured for deep penetration/strike, swing-role, already do constant ISR, EW, and have superior AW&C capes compared to E-2D.
Then there's the whole networked anti-ship/ASW things they bring to the table working with P-8A Poseidon, RQ-4C, and the SH-60s.
@@soonerfrac4611 Generally if you were going to load the outside enough for the drag to come back in a comparable manner you didn't care about speed or stealth anyways, I suppose carrying at least a bit of the load internally would still help
Yes & no. During the initial stages it means you need more aircraft since the load out is so small, or you need lots of missile trucks behind launching lots of BVR with a couple guys painting targets unseen.
Fascinating conversation. This is mind boggling stuff.
Watching this video, I have just realized that we are now only about ten years away from the fighting platform demonstrated in Sega’s 1985 arcade sensation, Space Harrier
The user friendly, ergonomic improvement to optimize battlefield awareness for the pilots is sophistication on another level. There's no tech innovation more impressive than in military aviation. This industry has come a long way.
Great question on the weight of the helmet and G forces.
Thanks Mooch, and thanks to Mr. Hoberg. I had the opportunity to work with Elbit on their part of the F-35 program; a real fun blast from the past and nice seeing where their work is heading.
The ejection seat has softer acceleration to keep that helmet from breaking your neck.
Thanks you Captain Carroll. Really do appreciate your channel and the discussions.
Thanks for the support! (And I was a commander.) 😉
Some of my colleagues are working a type of AI (not machine learning) that sucks in everything it can and makes sense of it in the context of whatever the mission is - so basically it builds situational awareness. The flip side of their technology is the ability to interpret commander's intent and make optimal resource assignments using the SA it has. This AI can deal with problems that would crush a human and do it a lot faster, too. Think Aegis's auto mode but a generation or two ahead in capabilities. The cool part is it's like a game engine, and you design apps for it to solve whatever problem you need to solve. It doesn't really know about airplanes, ships, etc. You build SEAD, DCA, OCA, CAS, fleet defense, etc apps. They can present ranked options to humans or go full auto. And unlike machine learning approaches, they can explain to human operators why it did what it did, why it didn't do something, and allow humans to explore what-if scenarios in a debrief. Things are happening at a frenetic pace, especially AI and automation in general, to deal with the near-peer threat.
Yup. In simple terms, were talking having an R2D2 as a RIO!
@@rogerlafrance6355 In some circles, we're talking full auto engagements. Send the autonomous team out with a task and they report back when it's done and what happened. Imagine high threat regions including both kinetic and comms threats. One of the interesting aspects is building the Law of Armed Conflict into the AI.
This is incredible, and thank you for sharing! It feels like I'm not allowed to read this loloo
I've long been calling the F-35 an information superiority platform vs a performance superiority platform like a conventional Gen 4 or 4.5 fighter.
I think in practice, the F-35 is going to out perform the F-16 and almost certainly the F/A-18, ex Rhino.
The 16, 18 cannot break the mach with a full weapons load-out. The F-35 can carry a substantial armament and still attain its maximum speed. Unlike the F-16 which can only reach mach 2.05 with two wingtip sidewinders, that are ineffective for head-on passes. And at M2 you cant even turn around and get a heat signature, your turn diameter is ~12 miles at 50,000' and 1350mph...
Apache crews have had this data display system since the 1980s. What is old is new again.
During my time in VA195 I had 2 COs. One had a majority of A4 time. He felt the HUD was a luxury and HUD or no HUD, you were going to launch. The second CO who had more A7 vs A4 time,had the opposite Philosophy. Loved the HUD!
As a Hawkeye NFO from the 90’s, I’m enjoying your channel and insight. Keep up the great work!!
It’s fascinating to watch this technology come to fruition. I was at Wright-Patterson AFB 40 years ago when they were just starting the helmet-mounted display and what was called Pilot’s Associate - computerized pilot load management. During the Vietnam War, there were recorded instances where pilots in combat didn’t hear missile warning tones because they were too busy with a fight. Pilot overload is a definite problem.
WoW, what an interview educating the civilian public!
A while back I saw a video on the helmet of the Typhoon (EF200) and it's insane.
It shows domes with AA threats' ranges, and a bunch of other threat/target information.
AV8As had HUDs. Cutting edge tech for the Early '70s.
Fascinating. The “moment” of a helmet. Thanks Ward!😊
When you look at load factors in engineering, you refer to bending, lifting, torsional, and other moments.
I flew a bunch of hours with those NVGs mounted way up front. It really does strain the neck. For a while we had lead weights velcroed onto the back of the helmet as a counterweight, which was even heavier, but at least it was better balanced. But then some higher HQ idiot thought the lead weights might turn into unsecured FOD in the flight deck and they took them away. We weren't happy about that.
This has become one of my favorite series on UA-cam. Keep up the good work!
Good stuff, thank you for doing interviews like these Ward.
I wonder how much of the electronics and weight could be off-loaded to a pack which clips on like a tie and has cables to the helmet itself. Or shifted as low as possible, on the sides below the ears. I suspect they've already thought of such things. All those tradeoffs would be fascinating.
Thanks for your service guys!
Another home run presentation! Thanks, 😊
Old School - wore the SPH-3 with no NVG (until 1997) mount - the kids were just switching over. Heck, my first helmet still had "straps" as the liner - then we got the foam liner.
Microsoft made augmented glasses 7 years ago that were about $5000. They looked easy enough to incorporate into a helmet and could use common display program like ForeFlight
Did you ever try one? They were pretty amazing at the time, and I'm surprised someone hasn't come up with something similar for GA, now that things can be lighter and they can make it specific to aviation vs. GP use.
Thanks, Ward.
An augmented reality system like GoogleGlass would address the weight issue. The tech embedded in the airframe can process the sensors, understand the situation and choose what information should be shown. Another great interview !
Wow! A brave new world for sure. Thanks for the enlightening conversation on this fascinating topic Ward.
We are fast approaching the point where, absent a system outage, the human is the slowest and weakest link in the plane. BUT we cannot forget that systems break, software glitches happen and one hit at the right place on a key sensor and all that technology, even with AI help, is now dead or compromised in accuracy or not even available. As we used to say one golden BB can end all that technology.
Technology is going to save us. This is just one example. Thank God we are the good guys. Keep it up Ward!
Some guy some where with a computer may figure out how to bring down the technology, I hope there is a "Plan B."
Great channel Thank you.
“Not Tomcat fast!?” Love it Mooch !!!! Tomcats!! :-)
Whilst it’s moot point to a degree, though you can create advanced models in DCS, how effective F14 would have been with ‘all the toys’ and the two meatsacks :-)
@@dannyotter7247 Early F-14s could bust Mach 1.8 with 6 Phoenix and their heavy launch rails. Over Mach 2.25 with 4 AIM-7 and just slightly slower with 4 AIM-7 and 4 AIM-9.
An interesting conversation about weight and capability. I have a Bose A20 headset, in my opinion outstanding, but the replacement the A30 has been designed by Bose to bring weight down to the bottom of the headset specifically to reduce fatigue. The A20 in comparison to any of the headsets I've worn, with combat helmets weights absolutely nothing, but if Bose with all the R&D they do, has arrived at that conclusion, on such lightweight equipment it's an interesting debate looking at the size of the helmets for the next generation pilot.
This reminds me of how the starship Enterprise computers presented crew only with context specific options at any given moment, say three choices it selected at that moment which required action. The choices are constantly changing as the specific conditions developing in any given situation changed. This obviously requires extremely advanced AI but such a dynamic situational interface may be where these types of systems are going.
Great interview Ward
I love the content on this channel, really insightful and interesting. Keep up the great work Ward 👍
Good interview, as usual.
Excellently explained...Thank you.
Fantastic questions Ward, you asked exactly what I wanted to know, thank you! Keep up the great work, it’s much appreciated.
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Very interesting! Thanks!
Great information as always, Ward!
When do these guys get to the point where there are helmet fires erupting, or are they there already, God forbid
The point is to keep the information at the level that helmet fires don't erupt. As Jeff says, engineers are very mindful of that.
Another episode of Great talk, feedback, and information from the people who know how, when, and why. I really enjoyed it! 👍😉
good episode!
Nice interview, I hear what you are talking about with the back ground noise. ⚓💪🇺🇸🇺🇸🇮🇱
I remember when the AF bubble wrap helmets came online in the late 80s. Felt like my head was on fire at the same time as a spike was being driven into each of my ears!
Ace combat SA is becoming more of a reality
Wow! I had a helmet fire just taking all of this in. LOL A LOT of information flying up at you in the JHMCS.
good stuff, Ward
Anybody notice his face tan? Oxygen mask and helmet tan. He just might know more than he is talking about!! Thanks Ward love your channel.
Wow....!! "The times they are a changing". So much to digest. Future pilots are going to need a lot of virtual reality time. So they can be up to snuff on SA to the nth degree. Thanks again Ward.
Thanks!
Thanks for the support!
Wait... mooch just showed us the future in pokemon hunting tech
I would be interested if you can do a counter weight (in theory to the rear) to get the CG centered and is there a negative to that overall with the added weight (background cycle helmets and returning to it and how heavy the Bell Star of the day was and how wonderfully light a modern helmet was)
When I first wore the front-mounted NVGs like Ward showed, we had lead weights velcroed onto the back of the helmet. Heavier, but better balanced. Then somebody at HQ decided the lead could come loose in the cockpit and cause damage, so those went away. We weren't happy about that decision, the chance of damage was minimal, and our sore necks were the immediate problem.
Ward thank you very much it was a really good video I remember a few years ago in one of my Aviation magazines reading on the new helmets and I thought wow that's really bitching the things you can do but it was not just that it was adding on other things like a voices of your family in some of the audio cues especially like if you over G and your semi blacked out I thought that was really neat thing where you're saying daughter says pull up Daddy pull up Daddy or your wife or whoever but somebody you can recognize the voice trying to get you to pull up as your semi blacked out but I love the auto targeting feature of the helmets now where you just looking look at a Target and shoot especially with the new Sidewinder X has that new capability
The new Navy 6th gen fighters with double the flight range & 360° 3D priority vision systems are vital game changers.
What happens when aircraft stops sending data to the helmet and glass cockpit?
@@pogo1140 🙏
I worked with on the JHMCS and their really cool but the one time I got to see an F-35 one it was nuts. And the weight of a JHMCS is a lot pilots always have neck problems one pilot couldn’t fly for months because of neck issues.
The big one will be pattern recognition. It will allow distinguishing a fly from a fast drone. Parsing through clutter and noise reduction is going to be more important than the sensor quality itself like with cell phone cameras. Automating data input and mission tuning and mode switching allowing to pay attention to important data at the right time really is the issue. Note that in CAS, A10 pilots are complaining that the workload on the F35 is higher when using it for CAS, and so somehow now aircrafts are going to be software defined by tasking.
My "HUD" is in my 2019 MAZDA CX-5 SUV. It displays speed, road signs, orange frame om road speed signs if I'm speeding (moi speeding?;o), navigation turn signals, lane keeping lines if "off course" and blind spot signals. All this in a $38,800. SUV!! Amazing, just as amazing as the heated seats, steering wheel, outside mirrors and wipers AND (here in 'Vegas) ventilated front seats.
All your sensors may be good for avoiding the Big stuff, but won't help much with the Small stuff like ManPads. Then you hope your sensors pick up the launch and the IR jammers and flares work.
I never thought of those weight, CG details.
20+ years ago I read a book by Dale Brown of a likely similar helmet in detail, but now it looks like its real!!!!!!!!
I worked on 360 vision for rescue helicopters. That was nearly 40 years ago.
“Not F14 fast…”😂
Threat dome: that is cool !!
What do we have in place to prevent this technology from being hacked? Either being stolen or being manipulated by the enemy?
Very Fascinating SIR!!!!!!
At the risk of sounding corny and Looney Tunes, this video shows the Airwolf Helmets have become a type of Reality. I am aware of the fact that the "Airwolf" helicopter/title character in the Don Bellasario Television Series was a 99.9% fantasy. It is amazing to realizes the fact that the mid 1980's vision in what combat pilot helmets could evolve to in conordination with aircraft avionics/computer systems has become a reality. This helmet observation is the applicable point in this discussion in this video.
How close do video games get to predicting future military assets?
I know that guy!! Great interview.
Lord Helmet has entered the room!
What’s the matter Colonel Sanders????
CHICKEN???
From an old F-4 fire control guy: what ratings will be tasked with getting all of this information to the aircrew? How many months of school will it take to learn the component-level maintenance?
I suspect it just gets sent back to the manufacturer.
This answers a question I've had for a long time: why couldn't 4th-generation aircraft be updated with much of the computing/sensor fusion available in the F35? Obviously, there are limitations about the amount of information available on-board or the actions which can be taken in response. But that degree of upgrade should be manageable.
Science fiction isn't fiction anymore. Interesting to note they're looking at gaming as a source of inspiration and technology.
Mechwarrior and their helmets that provide 360 sensor data
Not Tomcat fast
That should've been a patch!
I always wondered about the weight issue.
The ground troops are facing a similar situation with the weight of their combat helmets with adding devices to the front of the helmet, they have to add to ballast weight to the back of the helmet to help counter the effects.
Our troop carry a lot more gear these days.
I retired from the USAF in 1995 I was a Jet Engine Mechanic on C141/F15 and A10 and during exercises we still wore the old steel helmet with a liner, things sure have changed and come a long way.
The helmets are made from carbon fiber.
The Brits are (were, might not still be) restricting female pilots from the flying the F35 specifically because of the helmet weight. Too many were being injured during training ops because they didn’t have the neck strength.
@@LilSebastian_ Not ballistic helmets. Current ballistic helmets are laden with:
NV bracket
Rhino mount
Dual tube NVGs or fused NV/Thermal
Side rail mounts
Strobe light
Rear battery pack/ballast
Lights
The room for ballistic head protection and systems integration is wide open, but all the brains go to aerospace, so we have only seen federated systems accumulation on soldier's heads, with either regressive or minimal systems engineering.
You can't just add ballast weight as that adds overall weight that can have the affect of ripping off a pilot's head in G induced ACM.
@@thomasmoore8142 More of an issue during ejection than during maneuvering.
How much redundancy is in one of these helmets? I'm sure the F35 can put all of the information from the helmet on the up front displays in some way or another if the helmet stops working, but it seems like if it stops working the plane is pretty disabled.
Imagine fighting someone with an ipad.
"Wait, wait....i surrender."
What about using displays shaded toward the red side to assist the pilot's own night vision? Having the ability to see everything with the screens isn't everything. It may not be critical now with the lights on and the plane doing it's job... but I can think of a few examples of where it's good to have night vision.
Would LOVE to see an update video on Israel vs Hamas: Tunnel Warfare!!! PLEASE???
Holistic situational awareness. Sounds quite complex.
Interesting stuff! Thank you for this interview! 🇺🇸 💪 🇮🇱
Can I assume that the designers of the helmets has looked into or has already designed better support for the neck to alleviate some of the weight ?
Interesting development in helmets. Could this lead to information overload ?
It sounds like that is part of the problem they’re trying to solve: integrating massive amounts of information then presenting a synthesized version in a simplified format that is actionable.
WOW!!?aa! I see it! or can see? it? Armor, Navy too!
WAY COOL.
That really is video game stuff
Ward, what about the need for the F-35's pilots to have individually customized helmets or they can't fly their specific aircraft? That seems like a huge Achilles heel to me. As I understand it, if the helmet breaks or is sabotaged in some way, the entire aircraft is 100% out of service. 🤔🤷♂🤨
AFAIK, the helmets are customized/tailored to the AVIATOR, not the AIRCRAFT.
If the helmet gets broken; you’re down the pilot, not the plane.
@@benjaminperez7328 I think you may be right about the aircraft still being usable, though the pilot is out until a new customized helmet is sent to him. That might be just as bad if there are no excess pilots at hand.
Deep intel on UA-cam , that’s interesting :)
Going full Ace Combat I see.
They have 18th gen aircraft buzzing around since 1947
There was some useful information here, but unfortunately the video was heavy on what I can only describe as "mil-MBA speak". And yes, of course, a timeless challenge of UX design is giving the user actionable info that is pre-digested as much as possible without accidentally stripping out important bits, but although this was alluded to ten times in the video they didn't give hardly any examples (other than replacing threat domes with safe paths) or any reason to think that what Boeing was building could hold a candle to what Apple could build.
I wonder if Elbit’s HUD helmet for the IDF Merkava Barak tank model is seeing any real world action in Gaza already?
Will the heavier helmet place harmful stress on the pilot's neck during ejection?
That was a concern with F-35 esp. with the lightest 5%'tile, usually females. But has be resolved,
Will this technology also be implemented into future submarines and AI drones
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I always thought they would call electronic warfare 'E-war' as opposed to E.W - but that is probably just my brain fried from eve online
I predict lots of cervical spine injuries and VA disability ratings
I guess I must be too old school having learned to fly when paper charts and our brains were what we had ...... I almost feel sorry for the new generation of pilots who will probably never know the true joy of really flying.
They still have true joy when they're flying, trust me.
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