Thank you. I have learned so much. I am a volunteer fire fighter and ems. I also care for autistic elderly persons for a living. Dont make much money so cant afford one of your well made bows. So im hoping to learn enough to give it a go at making my own. Thanks for being so detailed with the videos.
All of my prototypes turned out much stronger than planned, especially when they were very short bows. Its nice to see that I'm not alone with this problem😅
A massive thank you for all the hours of testing and both trial and error throughout your journey. Your content is so helpful and brilliant reference material for both bowyer and archer. Blessings from England and keep the content coming
oh oh. Now you have me hooked. I want to go elk hunting and I would love to do it with a bow. At the moment although I have an awesome long bow it is under powered for elk. The bow I have I bought for small game and 3d tournaments and at 40lbs it is just legal here in BC for all large game except Buffalo , doesn't mean it's ethical but is legal. You like to step up to something between 45 and 50 lbs but still not to sure on that.
Im feeling the miss calculation of the # 😅 happened to me with my last reflex only longbow design. Got it down to 45# but it stacks so hard because of the short working limb part and maybe the two layers of carbon. Good to see someone thinking the same way when building bows! ❤
Thankyou for your videos. You have far greater skills than i have. Just wanted to share a few a few usefull things woodworking which may help you. First is an angle grinder with a blue flap sanding pad is great at sanding, die grinders work well for awkward rough carving, making plywood 1/2 jig and flush trim router to finish the mdf molds may speed up your mold building. Love your chanel. Hope the best to your channel.
Using carbon fiber looks cool and expensive, but create other issues. If you look at a modulus of differents fibers to resin with, carbon go straight to total rupture in case of pushing it over its limit. S-FIBERGLASS(S for STRUCTURAL) as almost the same capacity of carbon fiber, without the risk of catastrophic breakage. Also S-glass is not a conductor, as carbon fiber(think corrosion here), what is important if you do not use stainless steel anchorage/bolts/screws. For the quantity you use in your bows, the weight difference of S-glass to Carbon fiber is marginal(few grams). So S-glass should be a better options for your builds, but just a little less cooler...Keep those videos coming, love your channel.
Enjoy your videos, and enjoy your enthusiasm! Thanks for sharing all the details, successes, and experiments that don't turn out as expected/desired. If those 16 pound limbs are shooting that nice, I would leave them and make a new set. I cut down a sweet shooting ironwood self-bow to increase the poundage a bit and lost what had made the bow special. Cheers!
have you ever thought about using silicone strap heaters in your glueup to quicken / shorten up the glueup time? You can find suppliers lonline that will custom build the width and length fr our needs.
OK Kramer, I will take one of these take downs! I love both iterations of the Bones and a good take down is what I need as fast as I can get out of a 26ish draw!
Love it man your adventurous spirit and your excitement makes it great to watch , over the years your skills have increased a million fold , keep it up have a great easter
Nice I like how you experiment with different forms to find a bow that does what you want. But it also shows it is quite hard to reinvent the wheel. Your endresult looks very similar to old egyptian and assyrian bow designs. Not that thia is bad or diminishes your work it just shows that obviously even 3000-5000 years ago people wanted the same of a bow, or came to same or similar conclusions during their designs. Not that they have made it as a takedown. So this is a real neat idea making it more useful as you can change limbs and maybe even limdesigns. Since your bow was able to be drawn about 36" would be cool to make an ambidextrous riser, so you can shoot it thumb release style and use that long draw.
The shape of this bow in the unstrung, strung, and drawn positions all remind me of assyrian bows, of which I am quite fond. They're generally very fast shooting, very efficient, pretty smooth, and quite loud to shoot. The slim Siyahs (stiff tips) compared to something like a manchu bow's, contribute significantly to their speed.
Learning huge thank you Now not a toxic question but how can I use lignum in bamboo to melt join an tiller An yep I'll watch more videos of yours I'm guessing it's in your vids 😂
Kramer, can you take those heavy limbs and change the taper edge to edge to remove more material making lighter in draw weight. Hate to see them wasted
I'm building my first bow, and I love the design and want to build something similar, but I don't have fiberglass, so can I make it with just now bamboo
On router stage Can you build a copy router by having a staying still profile of bow an just run it past not a fear in world unless faulty grains It be able to do the sides an back front of bows
I love your show ,do you sell your bows you make ? I'm always looking for shorter bows cause I'm short and my wife wants to start shooting traditional again but she loves recurve bows ,I'm a long bow shooter ..
Question good sir. With the trouble of the limbs working limit. Could u us just riser to a 20 degree or 22 degree to change the amount of work that can go into the limbs?
A longbow and a reflex bow are much quieter than recurves due to not having the string slap the limb. A reflex bow is faster than a longbow and is a good blend of both designs.
The overall shape reminds me of the asiatic triangle bows, which stored a tremendous amount of energy. I’m excited to see how the finished bow comes out!
One of the best archers in my area from his article on his mule/whitetail hybrid deer archery record in Newspaper he uses a good model of Lever bow becuse he wants speed as well as ability to hunt more like he did with old compound where bow is capable of a finger draw and is not needing a sight becuse bow is so fast.
If I ever made bows I would use Wood as one inner section and PVC/Fiberglas for my bow and make how Howard Hill and his Nephew Jerry Hill made his later bows until Howard Hill's Death in 1970's using fiberglass. However, I would go 65/66 inches so my bow can be 64 inches when strung up if I ever used for specific 3D archery, going somewhere about 44--46 pounds for my draw so I can simulate archery hunting. Earlier Howard Hill bows he used Sinew on both sides of limbs or used some kind of rawhide/cloth on both sides of his bows putting his rawhide/cloth on inner side on while bow was unstrung and stringing up as soon as his bow was glued up.
One thing I’ve learned about wood working or from actual woodworkers is to spend money on the best chisels you can. Those looked like most of mine lol.
@@lewszybki4630 something that was used before in history if you go back and look they used steel bows before so I'm wondering will he be able to replicate it and how good will it be and how good will his black smiting skills be since he is only a bowyer and primarily have wood working skills
Here is a short story that may change your mind about steel. This is a secondhand warning that may also appear from first-hand experience in Fred Bear's patent for the composite bow: Personally related to me by people who were there and archery professionals. On the shooting line in the --probably late 30's or early 40's, a shooter had a steel bow come apart at full draw. The top limb hit him in the top of the head and flipped hitting him again under the chin. The people who saw this thought the limb was driven top to bottom through the skull. The injury was ultimately less severe yet cold cocked the shooter and scared the do-do out of everyone. My boss at the time who related this story owned the archery shop I worked at and would not allow a steel bow to be shot in the shop. Modern laminated materials from the first true composite recurve bow are much safer from the earliest days to the wonderful materials on hand today.
@@paullewis5045 cool story, you could build a firing jig and try it that way with a release system and from a safe distance you can fire a arrow and see what happens
There was an episode on "Forged in Fire," where they asked the smiths to build steel bows. Knowing the potential hazards, I was really concerned someone would get hurt. So, if you can find this episode take a look. You will see how the bows perform; not so hot. You could probably get away with steel over a short time. But, since one side of the bow limb stretches and the other compresses, fatigue will eventually come into play and there will be limb failure. A composite, laminated limb holds up to these strains very well and performs better. But----Bear did build the first composite (static) recurve bow with recycled B17 bomber wing aluminum from WW2. The lay-up was woven glass two maple laminations, then the aluminum which was finished with another wood lamination. It is illustrated in the patent drawings, and they made them for a few years. There was a glue problem and recalls which nearly caused the company to fail. P @@FPSWildlifeAngler
Love your videos and I have been a long time viewer. Just a word if caution, if your sanding or drilling carbon fibre, you should be wearing a mask as that dust is pretty harmful to your lungs.
I immediately noticed the limbs were too thick. Also noticed you made too many adjustments at once, not good !. and, well the result was good but not as expected, Cool.,,m I am anxious to see third attempt, hopping you get it right, unlike the WD40 oil that took them 40 tryouts to get it right. (Water Displacement Oil try # 40)
Thank you. I have learned so much. I am a volunteer fire fighter and ems. I also care for autistic elderly persons for a living. Dont make much money so cant afford one of your well made bows. So im hoping to learn enough to give it a go at making my own. Thanks for being so detailed with the videos.
Wow the way you think is insane! You’re completely out of this world with your ideas and the way you make decisions and explain everything!
I’m not even into archery and I watched this whole thing. Super into these videos
The inter action between the Brothers is great we need to see more positive things like this.
As a lifelong Asthma sufferer I can tell you that what you were going through is what we live with. Well done!!
Hey Krammer I am a 73 yr old man who still shoots bows and that bow is right up my alley would be intrested in it.
All of my prototypes turned out much stronger than planned, especially when they were very short bows. Its nice to see that I'm not alone with this problem😅
Let loose your excitement bc it is!
Thats what we love and what we are here for.
I'd buy the heck out of that beauty
One of your best videos so far. Greetings from germany
A massive thank you for all the hours of testing and both trial and error throughout your journey. Your content is so helpful and brilliant reference material for both bowyer and archer. Blessings from England and keep the content coming
And I love this interaction between the 2 of you
oh oh. Now you have me hooked. I want to go elk hunting and I would love to do it with a bow. At the moment although I have an awesome long bow it is under powered for elk. The bow I have I bought for small game and 3d tournaments and at 40lbs it is just legal here in BC for all large game except Buffalo , doesn't mean it's ethical but is legal. You like to step up to something between 45 and 50 lbs but still not to sure on that.
That is an awesome bow, and never apologize for the awe and exuberance. That's what differentiates a job from a career.
Im feeling the miss calculation of the # 😅 happened to me with my last reflex only longbow design. Got it down to 45# but it stacks so hard because of the short working limb part and maybe the two layers of carbon.
Good to see someone thinking the same way when building bows! ❤
I got a challenge for you try using palm tree in a bow probably laminate they are built to flex well hurricanes and what not
Thankyou for your videos. You have far greater skills than i have. Just wanted to share a few a few usefull things woodworking which may help you. First is an angle grinder with a blue flap sanding pad is great at sanding, die grinders work well for awkward rough carving, making plywood 1/2 jig and flush trim router to finish the mdf molds may speed up your mold building. Love your chanel. Hope the best to your channel.
Using carbon fiber looks cool and expensive, but create other issues. If you look at a modulus of differents fibers to resin with, carbon go straight to total rupture in case of pushing it over its limit. S-FIBERGLASS(S for STRUCTURAL) as almost the same capacity of carbon fiber, without the risk of catastrophic breakage. Also S-glass is not a conductor, as carbon fiber(think corrosion here), what is important if you do not use stainless steel anchorage/bolts/screws. For the quantity you use in your bows, the weight difference of S-glass to Carbon fiber is marginal(few grams). So S-glass should be a better options for your builds, but just a little less cooler...Keep those videos coming, love your channel.
I’ll take one $$$ 😂😂😂 when it’s all done shorter limbs and the longer ones , thanks for making this video . Can’t wait
Now that's a great shooting bow!!! Has the black hunter longbows look!!! Now get some diamond wood blocks for the riser material!!!
I was thinking the very same thing, limb profile looks very familiar.
Enjoy your videos, and enjoy your enthusiasm! Thanks for sharing all the details, successes, and experiments that don't turn out as expected/desired.
If those 16 pound limbs are shooting that nice, I would leave them and make a new set. I cut down a sweet shooting ironwood self-bow to increase the poundage a bit and lost what had made the bow special.
Cheers!
have you ever thought about using silicone strap heaters in your glueup to quicken / shorten up the glueup time? You can find suppliers lonline that will custom build the width and length fr our needs.
OK Kramer, I will take one of these take downs! I love both iterations of the Bones and a good take down is what I need as fast as I can get out of a 26ish draw!
I believe I saw my 40 pound recurve placed along side your bow for a few seconds. Cool.
Love it man your adventurous spirit and your excitement makes it great to watch , over the years your skills have increased a million fold , keep it up have a great easter
Nice I like how you experiment with different forms to find a bow that does what you want.
But it also shows it is quite hard to reinvent the wheel.
Your endresult looks very similar to old egyptian and assyrian bow designs.
Not that thia is bad or diminishes your work it just shows that obviously even 3000-5000 years ago people wanted the same of a bow, or came to same or similar conclusions during their designs.
Not that they have made it as a takedown. So this is a real neat idea making it more useful as you can change limbs and maybe even limdesigns.
Since your bow was able to be drawn about 36" would be cool to make an ambidextrous riser, so you can shoot it thumb release style and use that long draw.
Great looking bow, excited to see the next installment of the build 🤘🏻
Nice job! Very efficient design, looks like Egyptian angular bow 😀
The shape of this bow in the unstrung, strung, and drawn positions all remind me of assyrian bows, of which I am quite fond. They're generally very fast shooting, very efficient, pretty smooth, and quite loud to shoot. The slim Siyahs (stiff tips) compared to something like a manchu bow's, contribute significantly to their speed.
Oh please make a modernished gullwing bow, I've just finished my first from ash and it really has the speed/smoothness I've wanted
Learning huge thank you
Now not a toxic question but how can I use lignum in bamboo to melt join an tiller
An yep I'll watch more videos of yours
I'm guessing it's in your vids 😂
Loved it start to finish. I am on the side of new limbs of the same length just to help with finger pinch. Looking forward to seeing it shoot.
Great video. Can’t wait to see the end results.
Good stuff!
I would increase just the poundage, if its that “sweet”.
A true bowyer,well done my friend🏹
Have you ever tried to make the epoxy easier to work with by thinning it with alcohol?
Could you try building a static tipped bones bow?
Kramer, can you take those heavy limbs and change the taper edge to edge to remove more material making lighter in draw weight. Hate to see them wasted
So is the mountain bow going to be a thing cuz it needs to be!!!
I'm building my first bow, and I love the design and want to build something similar, but I don't have fiberglass,
so can I make it with just now bamboo
On router stage
Can you build a copy router by having a staying still profile of bow an just run it past not a fear in world unless faulty grains
It be able to do the sides an back front of bows
God Bless your living my dream🙌🏼💯❤️❤️hopefully someday i will be able to do this for w living too
I love your show ,do you sell your bows you make ? I'm always looking for shorter bows cause I'm short and my wife wants to start shooting traditional again but she loves recurve bows ,I'm a long bow shooter ..
Id love to see some long limbs made for the Black Hunter maybe 28" to bring it up to a 64" bow.
Awesome 👌
1st
I didn't see all the video but it looks like it will be super interesting as usual
Question good sir. With the trouble of the limbs working limit. Could u us just riser to a 20 degree or 22 degree to change the amount of work that can go into the limbs?
Hi everyone, I have a recently cut Osage Orange trunk, I wanted to ask if to make a bow I should dry the wood or can I also work it fresh
Seen that right away. Not enough dirt.
Hey Kramer was I seeing things or did you miss glueing one side on the last lamination on the first limb?
Kramer help me out, what is the calculation for dictating bow weight on fiberglass bows
Is it a shrew bow?
The SUSPENSE!!!!!
In stead of carbon fiber
What about kevelar?
A longbow and a reflex bow are much quieter than recurves due to not having the string slap the limb. A reflex bow is faster than a longbow and is a good blend of both designs.
Would u consider penobscot bow?
How. about making a bow that can be used with either hand!
The overall shape reminds me of the asiatic triangle bows, which stored a tremendous amount of energy. I’m excited to see how the finished bow comes out!
One of the best archers in my area from his article on his mule/whitetail hybrid deer archery record in Newspaper he uses a good model of Lever bow becuse he wants speed as well as ability to hunt more like he did with old compound where bow is capable of a finger draw and is not needing a sight becuse bow is so fast.
Mache das Mittelstück kürzer. Und innder Art des koreanischen Bogen. Das doch mal eine interessante Aufgabe.
It is originally a Malaysian wood . And from research is supseptabale to molds and mildew.
If I ever made bows I would use Wood as one inner section and PVC/Fiberglas for my bow and make how Howard Hill and his Nephew Jerry Hill made his later bows until Howard Hill's Death in 1970's using fiberglass. However, I would go 65/66 inches so my bow can be 64 inches when strung up if I ever used for specific 3D archery, going somewhere about 44--46 pounds for my draw so I can simulate archery hunting.
Earlier Howard Hill bows he used Sinew on both sides of limbs or used some kind of rawhide/cloth on both sides of his bows putting his rawhide/cloth on inner side on while bow was unstrung and stringing up as soon as his bow was glued up.
Would really like to see a "short draw" on those beefy limbs
In my head im seeing a modern warbow
Hopeing it happens
One thing I’ve learned about wood working or from actual woodworkers is to spend money on the best chisels you can. Those looked like most of mine lol.
will it bow spring steel bow limbs ?
Good idea
@@lewszybki4630 something that was used before in history if you go back and look they used steel bows before so I'm wondering will he be able to replicate it and how good will it be and how good will his black smiting skills be since he is only a bowyer and primarily have wood working skills
Here is a short story that may change your mind about steel. This is a secondhand warning that may also appear from first-hand experience in Fred Bear's patent for the composite bow: Personally related to me by people who were there and archery professionals. On the shooting line in the --probably late 30's or early 40's, a shooter had a steel bow come apart at full draw. The top limb hit him in the top of the head and flipped hitting him again under the chin. The people who saw this thought the limb was driven top to bottom through the skull. The injury was ultimately less severe yet cold cocked the shooter and scared the do-do out of everyone. My boss at the time who related this story owned the archery shop I worked at and would not allow a steel bow to be shot in the shop. Modern laminated materials from the first true composite recurve bow are much safer from the earliest days to the wonderful materials on hand today.
@@paullewis5045 cool story, you could build a firing jig and try it that way with a release system and from a safe distance you can fire a arrow and see what happens
There was an episode on "Forged in Fire," where they asked the smiths to build steel bows. Knowing the potential hazards, I was really concerned someone would get hurt. So, if you can find this episode take a look. You will see how the bows perform; not so hot. You could probably get away with steel over a short time. But, since one side of the bow limb stretches and the other compresses, fatigue will eventually come into play and there will be limb failure. A composite, laminated limb holds up to these strains very well and performs better. But----Bear did build the first composite (static) recurve bow with recycled B17 bomber wing aluminum from WW2. The lay-up was woven glass two maple laminations, then the aluminum which was finished with another wood lamination. It is illustrated in the patent drawings, and they made them for a few years. There was a glue problem and recalls which nearly caused the company to fail. P @@FPSWildlifeAngler
I don’t understand the problem with carbon finger tips being dusty.
You'll sell me a bow yet!😂
Surprised this was your first use of carbon tips. There are many types of Carbon so don't stop there.
👍🏻
From the language, this wood could be from Indonesia or Malaysia.
When he starts cutting thin shavings tillering, Scraper Ammons.
Love your videos and I have been a long time viewer. Just a word if caution, if your sanding or drilling carbon fibre, you should be wearing a mask as that dust is pretty harmful to your lungs.
Hi there Kramer...is there a way to contact you on whatsapp or signal?
I immediately noticed the limbs were too thick. Also noticed you made too many adjustments at once, not good !. and, well the result was good but not as expected, Cool.,,m I am anxious to see third attempt, hopping you get it right, unlike the WD40 oil that took them 40 tryouts to get it right. (Water Displacement Oil try # 40)
200 pound bow
Why dont u copy a great plains design? They do the utmost bows