I got some records back in the '80s at garage sales that had paper sleeves that were lined with the polyvinyl inner sleeve and they would off gas on the records and even stick to the vinyl record surface. I got rid of those years ago Thanks for the info.
My pleasure, Ron. Thanks for sharing your experiences with us. So many viewers have shared their experiences with offgassing. Strangely enough, they don’t all involve the obvious heavy PVC outer sleeves and or inner sleeves made from PVC. Offgassing seems to be a very elusive occurrence. There are so many different sleeve types out there that it’s very difficult to know which ones contain even trace amounts of PVC that could cause the chemical reaction. As I’m going through my collection, I continue to find sleeves that look suspect so to air on the side of caution I’m changing them out to HDPE inner sleeves and polypropylene outer sleeves. Got to protect those records. Thanks for watching. Take care. Steve
Even before I knew anything about off gassing or ghosting, I would always get rid of those PVC sleeves, because they were usually cracked and yellowed with age and worse, they would stick to other records in your stack like glue..just horrible!...it doesn't surprise me in the least the damage they cause. Pity about those great records.
Yes they can get nasty when not stored properly. I’ve seen so many over the years and many of them were just like you mentioned. Thanks for your condolences 💐 I’m going to take the two Cannonball Adderley discs to my buddy and see if he can’t clean them up on his high end five Record ultrasonic cleaner. Thanks for watching and sharing your experiences. ✌🏽
Hi, this is exactly what I have found out through my friends wife. She did some more testing on a lot of shrink that I removed from mine and her husband's records, and most had a level of PVC in the shrink. PVC is looking like a very unhealthy shrink additive. Take care and get rid of any PVC shrink and covers.
Hi Peter. It’s very cool that you have access to a scientist who can run tests for you like that. That is such great information to know. There are so many different inner sleeves to keep track of. It’s impossible to know what chemical compounds are used to manufacture them. As I continue going through my collection, I am removing all the original old inner sleeves and replacing them with HDPE inners. Of course, if they are printed paper, inner sleeves with label branding, I will still remove the vinyl from them and place it in a new inner sleeve for multiple reasons you probably know already. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts✌🏽
Always appreciate the info. Steve, you gotta get your Cousin on to share his knowledge & his inner and outer sleeves. I think you should change the name of the Channel to The Vinyl Detective 🕵🏼.
@@dansharkey5218 I’m in the process of getting together with my cousin Phil to do a video about record supplies. It’s definitely in the near future. 😆 The Vinyl Detective. I like it!
Great vid. I have that same 12" single of "Rise"; scored one several years ago at a garage sale. Luckily enough I was able to save it in time before the PVC destroyed it. I still have the sleeve itself but it is stored separately (with other picture disc PVC sleeves) and sealed up tight inside a record mailer. And kept far away from any of my records.
Glad you were able to save your record. It really is a cool addition to have. Smart thinking to put that PVC cover far away from any records and inside a record mailer. 👍🏽👍🏽Thanks for watching and commenting.
If you keep an eye out for Audio Fidelity pressings from back in the 60s you will find lots that came with a branded inner sleeve probably made from PVC.They did a lot of Dukes of Dixieland and Louis Armstrong lps plus an assortment of music from around the world which was a great excuse to feature women on their covers.
@@visualanimal5634 You’re right. I have a few of those Louis Armstrong records with those branded plastic inner sleeves. I also have some of those girly cheesecake exotica covers from Arthur Lyman with those same inner sleeves. Luckily I haven’t had any issues with those. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@dimebagdave77 Good morning DBD, happy Friday! I pick up a Bobby Vee album covering Buddy Holly’s hits. Cool record. Also be listening to kind of blue by Miles Davis great jazz album. Have a great day and an amazing weekend my friend. Blessings
Glad we can be of service, DBD. We are honored to know that our videos can do some good in the world! We appreciate you. I just subscribed to your channel and watched your introduction video. Great to see you participating. 👍🏽✌🏽
As a collector since the late 60’s I only learned about this 5-6 years ago, never really thought about it. I had a nasty divorce in 2016, and it took me over 6 years to get my collection back (2022). The first thing I did after sorting/shelving them was to get an ultrasonic cleaner, and begin going through the collection throwing away all outer and inner sleeves replacing with archival quality, and set out on a months long mission. However the first thing was check my outer sleeves. Luckily i had gotten fairly decent (but cloudy) vinyl outers, but unfortunately left on my original PVC sleeves from albums from Europe. They were nice and clear, but yes, they screwed up the covers (couldn’t tell until removed) and sadly gassed a couple of LPs. Both Beatles, White Album and Help. They just didn’t know better, so hard to place blame. My Help album came clean (perhaps in part because of MoFi sleeve?) all the white stuff came off. Not so my White Album. Thankfully no other PVC was present, but again I bought all my stuff when new at record shops. Although I have a huge investment in digital, vinyl is almost exclusively my go-to. Nice to see someone doing a valuable PSA, look forward to more! *Subbed!* Sorry for the old man ramble!
Sorry to hear about the nasty divorce. I’ve been there so I can understand how difficult it can be. I’m very happy to hear that. You’re back in the collecting game. You’re right no one is to blame for they knew no better. Quite the opposite. they believe they were doing good. Sorry to hear about your Beatles Records. No apologies necessary here. Ramble on anytime you need. Thank you for subscribing. We look forward to chatting with you again sometime. Have a great weekend.
Yup, the library loved those thick pvc sleeves. They were made to protect those albums from all the crazy people that might check it out and abuse it. I worked in a library in college and all albums had that. I still may have some, said thought I don’t, flood took care of those lol. No hazing
How ironic is it that the library was doing such a thing to protect their records when in fact, they were destroying them themselves. 😂 I guess what we don’t know can hurt us or at least our records. Hurt my records hurt me. lol.
In Europe - well at least France - they had very thin PVC sleeves with a decorative crimped edge and the store name silkscreened on. I kept them on my Beatles albums since 1978. Luckily damage was minimal, mostly covers but did ruin the White Album. Unfortunately we are only just learning about the horrors of plastic. Vinyl is an investment worth protecting, and as my distrust of plastics has grown in the past 10 years, I’ve ripped all of my CDs as well. As it turns out, not a moment too soon. Kept in a cool, dry and dark environment, they still started to deteriorate after 35-40 years.😊
@@slidetek good looking out way to be proactive. Yes, the dangers of plastic exist in many other areas in addition to vinyl records. Hopefully more and more collectors will learn how to prevent damage to their precious Record collections due to PVC inner sleeves and outer sleeves. Glad you were able to get your CDs ripped before they deteriorated. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts and experiences. Be well.
I'm getting' rid of any thick PVC jackets I might have. I never checked out any records from my local library. Just tons of Cd's that I burn to my Windows library.
Robert Guillaume (pronounced GEE-ome) played Benson in the TV series "SOAP" and also in the show of the same name. He was also a stage actor, singer and dancer and even played "The Phantom" in the Los Angeles production of "The Phantom of The Opera" some years back.
I love that guy!! He’s a great performer! I forgot his name. I saw him in Phantom of the Opera out here in Los Angeles. He was tremendous! Thanks for reminding me. ✌🏽
I have a bunch of 45 7” sets that were put into that thick PVC type cover. By the time I purchased them, they were far too gone. Now they are just for show.
I also saw Robert live as Phantom of The Opera! lol I just forgot his name! 🤣 I watched Benson too as a teenager. I only have room in my CPU for record information lol.
If Herb is going to get junked anyway, maybe you can use it to test chemicals on. I don't think there is anyway to get rid of ghosting, but if you wanted a record to test chemicals on in hopes that they could remove ghosting, there is your record. The second I saw that damn PVC sleeve with the waves, I just knew. I have a US copy of Between The Buttons by the Stones that is sealed in one of those second inner bags you showed. (No doubt pressed for London at a Columbia plant. I can even tell from the label font style. Columbia were big on those inner bags.) A big part of why I have never unsealed it is I just know it will have that swirly ghost pattern allover it. Plus I only listen to the original UK version of that album and have a nice UK pressing. I did rescue a copy of Having A Rave-Up With The Yardbirds that was sealed in one of those. It remains one of the cleanest copies I have ever seen of that album by the grace of God alone, haha.
Hello there JWD! That’s a great idea. I will hold on to the Herb Alpert Rise record for experimentation purposes. The Cannonball Adderley records, I will take to my friends place who has a high end ultrasonic record cleaner, and see if it will remove the light hazing from these records. The hazing surprisingly wasn’t as bad on the cannonball title as it was on the herb Alpert Record. I do recall coming across many Columbia, pressing even some Miles Davis records with those plastic inner baggies. I’ve seen many of those records with that leopard print haze cast up upon them. There must be a percentage of PVC added to the materials of those plastic inner sleeves. I’d be afraid to open that between the buttons title too. Great that you have a minty copy to play so you can keep the other ones sealed. Enjoy. 👍🏽✌🏽
The early UK pressings of Pink Floyd’s The Wall albums had a PVC sticker on the cover which often off gassed onto the first record (even through the cover and inner sleeve). It wasn’t an issue with the original US pressings though.
I’ve gotten rid of all the PVC album sleeves in my collection. However, I’ve never had an issue with those rounded inner bags that Columbia records used from the early to late 1960s. I probably have a hundred or more Columbia LPs from that era with those bags in them. Those were polyethylene which, under normal storage conditions, shouldn’t off gas.
I’ve had plenty of records in those Columbia baggies and they were fine but I have definitely come across many with hazing on them, possibly due to excessive heat like you mentioned. Thanks for sharing and stopping by. ✌🏽
I’m going to have my friend clean them on his ultrasonic cleaner to see if it improves the sound and removes the hazing. I’m hoping it works. Thanks for watching.
I have found out going through ALL (well, 98% of my records), that is you catch it early enough they can be saved, but I had to trash like 200 discs :(
Hi David. Yeah, I’m hoping that the Cannonball Adderley record can be saved by a good ultrasonic cleaning. The rise Record looks to be a total loss, but I’ll try cleaning it anyways when I get the chance. So sorry to hear about the 200 discs you lost that’s a real bummer. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. ✌🏽
Good job warning people, you are very important to our community sir! Thank you!😊
So nice of you to say. Thank you. 🙏🏽 We appreciate you as well. ✌🏽
I got some records back in the '80s at garage sales that had paper sleeves that were lined with the polyvinyl inner sleeve and they would off gas on the records and even stick to the vinyl record surface.
I got rid of those years ago Thanks for the info.
My pleasure, Ron. Thanks for sharing your experiences with us. So many viewers have shared their experiences with offgassing. Strangely enough, they don’t all involve the obvious heavy PVC outer sleeves and or inner sleeves made from PVC. Offgassing seems to be a very elusive occurrence. There are so many different sleeve types out there that it’s very difficult to know which ones contain even trace amounts of PVC that could cause the chemical reaction. As I’m going through my collection, I continue to find sleeves that look suspect so to air on the side of caution I’m changing them out to HDPE inner sleeves and polypropylene outer sleeves. Got to protect those records. Thanks for watching. Take care.
Steve
I enjoy this gas-off series Steve. Hopefully it will help many hobbyists save their precious records from this silent creep. 👍🏻👏🏻
Thanks, Mariusz. Just one more reason to stay away from government municipalities. 🤣
I never did like going to the library when I was in school 😂
Even before I knew anything about off gassing or ghosting, I would always get rid of those PVC sleeves, because they were usually cracked and yellowed with age and worse, they would stick to other records in your stack like glue..just horrible!...it doesn't surprise me in the least the damage they cause.
Pity about those great records.
Yes they can get nasty when not stored properly. I’ve seen so many over the years and many of them were just like you mentioned. Thanks for your condolences 💐
I’m going to take the two Cannonball Adderley discs to my buddy and see if he can’t clean them up on his high end five Record ultrasonic cleaner. Thanks for watching and sharing your experiences. ✌🏽
Yes indeed, thats the way it was at libraries. Nice thick yellowing PVC LP covers.
I never did trust those librarians! 😂
Hi, this is exactly what I have found out through my friends wife. She did some more testing on a lot of shrink that I removed from mine and her husband's records, and most had a level of PVC in the shrink. PVC is looking like a very unhealthy shrink additive. Take care and get rid of any PVC shrink and covers.
Hi Peter. It’s very cool that you have access to a scientist who can run tests for you like that. That is such great information to know. There are so many different inner sleeves to keep track of. It’s impossible to know what chemical compounds are used to manufacture them. As I continue going through my collection, I am removing all the original old inner sleeves and replacing them with HDPE inners. Of course, if they are printed paper, inner sleeves with label branding, I will still remove the vinyl from them and place it in a new inner sleeve for multiple reasons you probably know already.
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts✌🏽
Always appreciate the info. Steve, you gotta get your Cousin on to share his knowledge & his inner and outer sleeves. I think you should change the name of the Channel to The Vinyl Detective 🕵🏼.
@@dansharkey5218 I’m in the process of getting together with my cousin Phil to do a video about record supplies. It’s definitely in the near future. 😆 The Vinyl Detective. I like it!
@@TheVinylRecordMission Excellent
Great vid. I have that same 12" single of "Rise"; scored one several years ago at a garage sale. Luckily enough I was able to save it in time before the PVC destroyed it. I still have the sleeve itself but it is stored separately (with other picture disc PVC sleeves) and sealed up tight inside a record mailer. And kept far away from any of my records.
Glad you were able to save your record. It really is a cool addition to have. Smart thinking to put that PVC cover far away from any records and inside a record mailer. 👍🏽👍🏽Thanks for watching and commenting.
If you keep an eye out for Audio Fidelity pressings from back in the 60s you will find lots that came with a branded inner sleeve probably made from PVC.They did a lot of Dukes of Dixieland and Louis Armstrong lps plus an assortment of music from around the world which was a great excuse to feature women on their covers.
@@visualanimal5634 You’re right. I have a few of those Louis Armstrong records with those branded plastic inner sleeves. I also have some of those girly cheesecake exotica covers from Arthur Lyman with those same inner sleeves. Luckily I haven’t had any issues with those. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Great video. Thank you so much
Good morning! Spinning some classical this morning. Inspired by DJJoey
@@dimebagdave77 Good morning DBD, happy Friday! I pick up a Bobby Vee album covering Buddy Holly’s hits. Cool record. Also be listening to kind of blue by Miles Davis great jazz album. Have a great day and an amazing weekend my friend. Blessings
Thank you, brother Joey. Have a great weekend, buddy!
Many thanks, much needed this morning ✌️🤘 don't know if ou guys realize sometimes how much h these videos can help
Glad we can be of service, DBD. We are honored to know that our videos can do some good in the world! We appreciate you. I just subscribed to your channel and watched your introduction video. Great to see you participating. 👍🏽✌🏽
As a collector since the late 60’s I only learned about this 5-6 years ago, never really thought about it. I had a nasty divorce in 2016, and it took me over 6 years to get my collection back (2022). The first thing I did after sorting/shelving them was to get an ultrasonic cleaner, and begin going through the collection throwing away all outer and inner sleeves replacing with archival quality, and set out on a months long mission. However the first thing was check my outer sleeves. Luckily i had gotten fairly decent (but cloudy) vinyl outers, but unfortunately left on my original PVC sleeves from albums from Europe. They were nice and clear, but yes, they screwed up the covers (couldn’t tell until removed) and sadly gassed a couple of LPs. Both Beatles, White Album and Help. They just didn’t know better, so hard to place blame. My Help album came clean (perhaps in part because of MoFi sleeve?) all the white stuff came off. Not so my White Album. Thankfully no other PVC was present, but again I bought all my stuff when new at record shops. Although I have a huge investment in digital, vinyl is almost exclusively my go-to. Nice to see someone doing a valuable PSA, look forward to more! *Subbed!* Sorry for the old man ramble!
Sorry to hear about the nasty divorce. I’ve been there so I can understand how difficult it can be. I’m very happy to hear that. You’re back in the collecting game. You’re right no one is to blame for they knew no better. Quite the opposite. they believe they were doing good. Sorry to hear about your Beatles Records. No apologies necessary here. Ramble on anytime you need. Thank you for subscribing. We look forward to chatting with you again sometime. Have a great weekend.
Yup, the library loved those thick pvc sleeves. They were made to protect those albums from all the crazy people that might check it out and abuse it. I worked in a library in college and all albums had that. I still may have some, said thought I don’t, flood took care of those lol. No hazing
How ironic is it that the library was doing such a thing to protect their records when in fact, they were destroying them themselves. 😂 I guess what we don’t know can hurt us or at least our records. Hurt my records hurt me. lol.
In Europe - well at least France - they had very thin PVC sleeves with a decorative crimped edge and the store name silkscreened on. I kept them on my Beatles albums since 1978. Luckily damage was minimal, mostly covers but did ruin the White Album. Unfortunately we are only just learning about the horrors of plastic. Vinyl is an investment worth protecting, and as my distrust of plastics has grown in the past 10 years, I’ve ripped all of my CDs as well. As it turns out, not a moment too soon. Kept in a cool, dry and dark environment, they still started to deteriorate after 35-40 years.😊
@@slidetek good looking out way to be proactive. Yes, the dangers of plastic exist in many other areas in addition to vinyl records. Hopefully more and more collectors will learn how to prevent damage to their precious Record collections due to PVC inner sleeves and outer sleeves. Glad you were able to get your CDs ripped before they deteriorated. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts and experiences. Be well.
I remember that library card... from the San Pedro library 😊
Hahaha. These things bring back memories huh. 😁✌🏽
I'm getting' rid of any thick PVC jackets I might have. I never checked out any records from my local library. Just tons of Cd's that I burn to my Windows library.
@@jtsrecordroom3963 I never checked out any books from my local library let alone records. I was too busy checking out chicks 😳😂
Robert Guillaume (pronounced GEE-ome) played Benson in the TV series "SOAP" and also in the show of the same name. He was also a stage actor, singer and dancer and even played "The Phantom" in the Los Angeles production of "The Phantom of The Opera" some years back.
I love that guy!! He’s a great performer! I forgot his name. I saw him in Phantom of the Opera out here in Los Angeles. He was tremendous! Thanks for reminding me. ✌🏽
Thank you I had one on my first Elvis album got rid of it
@@JerryPenix-iy8dl Cool 😎
I have a bunch of 45 7” sets that were put into that thick PVC type cover. By the time I purchased them, they were far too gone. Now they are just for show.
Sorry to hear that, Mark. Fo show is better than no show.
Let the young gun fill ya in! 😂😂 STL native Robert Guillaume (on that library record) was best known as the actor in the tv series “Benson”
Wait, I’m late to answering that I see. Doh!
I also saw Robert live as Phantom of The Opera! lol I just forgot his name! 🤣 I watched Benson too as a teenager. I only have room in my CPU for record information lol.
If Herb is going to get junked anyway, maybe you can use it to test chemicals on. I don't think there is anyway to get rid of ghosting, but if you wanted a record to test chemicals on in hopes that they could remove ghosting, there is your record. The second I saw that damn PVC sleeve with the waves, I just knew.
I have a US copy of Between The Buttons by the Stones that is sealed in one of those second inner bags you showed. (No doubt pressed for London at a Columbia plant. I can even tell from the label font style. Columbia were big on those inner bags.) A big part of why I have never unsealed it is I just know it will have that swirly ghost pattern allover it. Plus I only listen to the original UK version of that album and have a nice UK pressing. I did rescue a copy of Having A Rave-Up With The Yardbirds that was sealed in one of those. It remains one of the cleanest copies I have ever seen of that album by the grace of God alone, haha.
Hello there JWD! That’s a great idea. I will hold on to the Herb Alpert Rise record for experimentation purposes. The Cannonball Adderley records, I will take to my friends place who has a high end ultrasonic record cleaner, and see if it will remove the light hazing from these records. The hazing surprisingly wasn’t as bad on the cannonball title as it was on the herb Alpert Record.
I do recall coming across many Columbia, pressing even some Miles Davis records with those plastic inner baggies. I’ve seen many of those records with that leopard print haze cast up upon them. There must be a percentage of PVC added to the materials of those plastic inner sleeves. I’d be afraid to open that between the buttons title too. Great that you have a minty copy to play so you can keep the other ones sealed. Enjoy. 👍🏽✌🏽
The early UK pressings of Pink Floyd’s The Wall albums had a PVC sticker on the cover which often off gassed onto the first record (even through the cover and inner sleeve). It wasn’t an issue with the original US pressings though.
Wow that’s crazy about the PVC Pink Floyd cover sticker! Thanks for the heads up! 👍🏽👍🏽💪🏽
That sucks so bad man but i cant even be mad 'cause its such a cool record..
I’ll keep it for its coolness. 👍🏽👍🏽
How does it sound once it’s cleaned?
I won’t know if they sound better until I can get to my friend’s house.
I’ve gotten rid of all the PVC album sleeves in my collection. However, I’ve never had an issue with those rounded inner bags that Columbia records used from the early to late 1960s. I probably have a hundred or more Columbia LPs from that era with those bags in them. Those were polyethylene which, under normal storage conditions, shouldn’t off gas.
I’ve had plenty of records in those Columbia baggies and they were fine but I have definitely come across many with hazing on them, possibly due to excessive heat like you mentioned. Thanks for sharing and stopping by. ✌🏽
great video. If we knew then what we know now.
Yes sir. 👍🏽👍🏽
Sounds like these records can be given a wet cleaning. Next, try using a sticky roller for records like the record roller.
I’m going to have my friend clean them on his ultrasonic cleaner to see if it improves the sound and removes the hazing. I’m hoping it works. Thanks for watching.
I have found out going through ALL (well, 98% of my records), that is you catch it early enough they can be saved, but I had to trash like 200 discs :(
Hi David. Yeah, I’m hoping that the Cannonball Adderley record can be saved by a good ultrasonic cleaning. The rise Record looks to be a total loss, but I’ll try cleaning it anyways when I get the chance. So sorry to hear about the 200 discs you lost that’s a real bummer. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. ✌🏽
Robert Guillaume… aka known for TV’s Benson and Rafiki from the original animated Lion King
I remember watching Benson as a young teen. Cool to know. Thank you.
Those awful pvc covers also ruin beautiful laminated record sleeves over time as well . Get rid of them .
Thanks Peter. Definitely working on it. 👍🏽👍🏽
I remember seeing that type of pattern on a record... nothing worse than popping in your music 😮
Surface noise is terrible. I can enjoy records with pops and ticks on them. Thank you for watching and commenting. ✌🏽
That’s a crying shame:(
We win some, and we lose some in this game, Tony. Appreciate you watching. Have a wonderful weekend. ✌🏽
Steve
Ah fubar.. aka every single thing my brother ever picked up or touched in any way
Yep!