Honda Transalp vs Suzuki V-Strom 800DE vs Yamaha Tenere 700 Preview!
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It's worth mentioning the V-Strom also has a fully adjustable suspension, bolt on subframe, and is likely the best for 2 up riding. Add in the extra fuel capacity, I'm definitely leading towards the Suzuki for long distance back road riding.
To heavy
It’s true it’s heavier, but to what? People start looking at all the features of the heavy weight high horsepower kings like 1250 GS, tenere 1200, Africa twin 1000, 1290 super adventure and people make all the excuses for BMW’s ridiculous weights even for all the bells and whistles .
You pick a bike for the way you choose to ride. Earth man just stated why he would choose the Suzuki and I agree it’s a great choice for having “2 up” and longer fuel range while carrying luggage. Could you imagine doing that to the Tenere 700? Yeah good luck with the frame not breaking or the passenger telling g you good luck because that bike is not really meant for two people……again your right about the weight but clearly the intentions for picking the bike were stated pretty clearly. Just saying.
No tubeless tires?
@@preciscoprecisco4275 Or not to heavy, that is the question. ; )
@@karthik.sridhar Yeah I know. Don't know about the 17" rear either. Still feel its the best choice out of the three.
Slap on tubeless, a 18" rear, and strip the electronics (the menus and modes bullshit) and I would be a happy motocamper.
The Transalp looks like a show pony to me & the Suzuki seems the best all rounder overall on paper out of the three. However the weight could be an issue but you can't ride a spec sheet & it will depend how the weight is distributed & how it feels in real life. I also don't see the Transalps peak power as an advantage for an off road bike either. Surely the Suzuki's higher torque is a better engine characteristic for a bike with real off road aspirations. Plus the bolt on subframe & fully adjustable suspension on the V-Strom have the Transalp beaten all day long off road you would think. Although I guess only a group test & a demo rides will see for sure.
Great comparison Bob!! It’s always Tenere for me. Nothing beats the handling and simplicity.
Re: Torque
700+ cc at 6000+ rpm torque values are pretty much meaningless in an off road situation.
This is where low RPM torque provides the ride-ability in more tricky situations. In fact torque at idle & just above can be most important. IMHO , YMMV
You're so right. It all depends what you need. For offroading, trials Tenere is the best choice, no mapping or suspension settings, just ride it. if you are more a traveller side with a bit offroad, Suzuki and Honda is the way to go.
I would imagine gear ratio's will be important as well, you don't want a high 1st gear off road, and by contrast, a low 1st is a pain on the road.
The V-storm seems to be the most versatile bike for touring, 2 up, and off road. At least on paper and To me that is what wins in the ADV segment. The Honda looks and reads great on paper and built to a budget. The T7 is great for what it is but now there competition in the segment. I’m not as picky on the ADV bikes when it comes to looks, though the Honda looks the best IMO. A more tractable engine and power and is more important to me than a peaky high HP power band. And it just appears that Suzuki is able to deliver the complete package with all the accessories with its top of the line model .
Styling is #1 for me, followed by reliability and cost of ownership.
I test seated a couple of bikes during EICMA 2022 in Cologne and I recognised, I don't fit on every bike, even when I like them and they look great. My advice: take a seat and than start to create your own short list for a test ride 💙💛🏁🤛🏼
I currently ride a V-Strom 1000, and would seriously consider buying the new V-Strom 800, BUT not as long as it's got tube-type tires. I just wouldn't want to deal with taking the tire off the rim every time I had a puncture, and I like the way tubeless tires tend to get a slow leak when punctured rather than a blow-out.
Yeah until you do more than get a screw in it. Here in Aus, off road you need tubes. Good luck fixing a side wall or a slice puncture on you’re tubeless tyre. Even when we rode super tenere’s we carried tubes.
@@whomcares3438 You mean you can put a tube in a tubeless tire? What a concept.
Problem solved, and everyone's happy.
Tube type tires are a cost cutting measure, nothing more.
@@lcdubs7847 you clearly never been more than a tankful or fuel on a dirt road from help🤣. Tubeless tyres are great. Just not for every application. Fitting a tube to a tubeless set up takes some work too.
@@whomcares3438 Of course they are not for every application. They are, however, perfectly suited to Adventure bikes. You know, like the V-Strom.
Thank you for adding excitement to the anticipation of my next bike! Well done.
I think the v-storm is a bit underscored.I would take it or the Yamaha
the cp2 in the T7 has been rated as the most reliable engine in the last 10 years. Tried and tested. The other 2 new parallel twins still need to prove themselves worthy. 3 years down the line, could be a fair fight. For now, id take the T7 as it is the proper riders' machine with no gimmicks, aids or any other bollocks.
Suzuki's cross balancer shaft makes it the top choice for me for 2-up riding and overall creature comforts.
Wouldn't really rank any of them until they're ridden head-to-head. Have to see how all of their features and dimensions work together. And the longer you're able to have them, the better. Especially these days, more riding time reveals more of what the engineers and designers intended.
Ditto!
Waste of time reviewing bikes they never rode.
@@jimperry4420 Isn't that the truth!! These paper battles mean little or nothing if the designs dont "gel".
Tenere over the other two, not even in the same league, and which order the other two are in becomes irrelevant.
Got the Tenere, and love it. But would be happy with any of these bikes.
Great review! In the future, because those bikes as so "similar" you could add comparative data such as: insurance classe (i.e., for me the Suzuki will be one class up compared to the other one because of its engine CC), manufacturer warranty (sometime Suzuki offers like 5 years etc.). Cheers!
Good point. One important aspect for me is dealer support (ie how many dealers in my region, do they carry spares, do they care about their customers, will they keep doing all that up in years to come).
Nice review & comparison motobob
Awesome video again MotoBob keep up the good work for me it will come down to the price of the trans Alp if it’s under 10 grand you gotta go for it I think 😊
As my only bike, I would get the T7 easy. As complement to my DR650... Give me the VStrom.
It would be interesting if you also compared these bikes to the Aprilia Tuareg 660 that has cruise control (none of these have it) and tubeless tires. Yes it's a bit more expensive but I'd bet it's one peoples lists who are looking at these.
The features of the Aprilia are certainly attractive, but the nearest Aprilia dealer to me is at least 1200km away, so I wouldn't even consider it as an option.
It’s an absurd exclusion but Honda probably does it as a pain point in order to make the Africa Twin more appealing. Suzuki, the Vstrom 1000.
Another thing they’d be looking at is reliability. And if you look it up, the Tuareg has been leaking oil.
great review mate love it! :)
Another thing that I consider important is an interval between services. Suzuki bikes often have it shorter than others.
Indeed a very important factor, esp valve clearance is quite a lot of work, by the way my suzuki v strom 650 has an oil 8ntervall of 12000 km in central europe at least…
I think all are good bikes and the best one is the one that matches your road/off-road bias. So considering T7 > V-Strom > Transalp , from the most off-road to the most road oriented bike, just pick the one for you.
T7 because it’s more off road capable out of the box, it looks the biz and for me, less is more in terms of tech
T7 has Throttle problem, feels too heavy even is lighter from Transalp, terrible seat, 20hp less and gets rusty at some places after a year. 800DE with 22 kg plus is out immediately. If someone wants a moto with 80/20 orientation and to forget about visiting service except oil change etc for many-many years only Transalp 750.
Nice video review 👍
Love the simplicity of the T7, not a big fan of all these bells and whistles personally... Would make a nice tourer which is what these (adventure) bikes basically are.
Honda first, then the Yamaha then the Suzuki. Would love to own any of them.
I love the look of the tenere but they haven't stocked one anywhere near me and I have a great relationship with my Honda dealer so I'll be sitting on a transalp as soon as they get one in the showroom. I couldn't care less about all the tech it just adds to the price. The vstrom looks pretty good but I'll never 2up on an adventure bike anyway. I also like that Hondas dealer network is so big, I have 6 dealerships within 100 miles of my house.
Thanks Rob. Transalp all the way. In red, white and blue please. Thank you 🙏
The Transalp is a road bike primarily, with off-road capability. But don't hope too much. The Yamaha T7 is a trail bike. Two different markets.
No 200+KG bike is a trail bike. Yes it’s the closest of the three but on single track and technical riding, low weight is king.
@@SimonBrisbane Depends on the pilot. You can do a lot on the T7, even loaded. Check on UA-cam for Kap2Cap with Lolo Cochet and his African adventures. You will be surprised. :-)
As someone in the market for one of these I'm leaning towards the Honda ... the weight, power and features are all great and the price should be around £9,300 ish in the UK (it's now been revealed to be 10,500 / 10,600 Euros in some European countries from what I've seen in other videos online today) which is extremely competitive and undercuts the Suzuki considerably. My riding is predominantly road biased though ... I certainly can see the Suzuki being the more attractive option for off road enthusiasts with its longer travel fully adjustable suspension and bolt on subframe. End of the day the proof will be in the pudding ... it's going to be interesting trying each one out and seeing how they taste out on the road 🙂
I’m disappointed in both tbh , I’ll still be looking at a Tenere next.
Apparently you can feel that the honda is built on a budget. A bit cheaper plastics etc. Atleast the hornet and the Suzuki got a better bump in the quality department.
Enjoyed the comparison. I own a V-Strom 650 model as my current ADV bike so am a little biased, even though I've always been partial to Hondas and their reliable, un-killable nature. That said, V-Strom is bulletproof and versatile. Will be interesting to see if that same reliability on V-Strom will stand the test of time with the parallel twin over the V-Twin. I'd own any of the bikes rated, but I would also want to compare them with the Africa Twin, the KTM Adventure and the Triumph Tiger. Not sure if the KTM or the Triumph offers the same reliability as the Japanese bikes, and I'm going to make a huge assumption that the Aprila is going to be expensive to maintain and maybe not as reliable. Only other thing I'd say is these bikes all offer different levels of capability. I'd take the Tenere if I was doing more off road, but I'd take the Suzuki if I was sticking mainly to tarmac. I think the Trans Alp is a bit ho-hum, but I haven't ridden one so I just don't know.
The tenere is basicaly a larger enduro dirt bike, 2 others r just a adventure bike, ill go for tenere, more rugged looks and maneuverability
Yes it’s more fitted for its purpose than Honda and sus Suzuki
Regardless of points, Yamaha is only true off road capable and other two is road bikes. So if you are looking at off road, other two is not an option
I like off road abilities the most. But height of the bike is also a consideration. Honda sounds awesome. But Suzuki if the price is a factor??
had tenere for one season, sold it after that, blue rally with all the accesories, garmin nav etc. Sold it. I simply could not stand the wind buffeting i was getting while riding, no matter which helmet, what type of screen, nothing worked. And top heavy beast, to pick it up it was a challange, looking for ktm 890r next
I've been expecting a video on this from you, roads tests have been landing on UA-cam already, though from the Philippines
It won't be long til we ride the Transalp - beginning of March. Really looking forward to it!
@@motobob brmm brmmm, bruummmm bruummmm!
For me it's the V-Strom. The Honda is nice, but I like the looks of the Suzuki more. It also a steel frame.
Compare the Honda Transalp with the NC750X instrad of the CB500X. It is the most similar to the other one, just 10 c.c. more and similar chasis. Triumph Tiger 850 should be added as well as Husqvarna Norden and KTM ADVENTURE 900
I like the Honda for the tech and Honda's legendary reliability. But, the Tenere is such a well proven platform - the choices keep getting harder and harder...price will make a difference - or will it? Nod to the Yamaha on the style front though. It is going to probably come down to a showdown off road to see if either of the Suzuki or Honda can hold a candle to the Tenere. That high countershaft position gives it such great forward thrust off road, I wonder if the others will be able to keep up - especially on long, loose uphill sections. The Honda appears to have very street oriented tires on it . Will it go off road?
The final verdict will be out when expert rider reviewers have the bikes to ride. But good prelude of things to come. Can't wait. Having said, that no Japanese bike has really challenged the T7 for what it is. But let's see when the new bikes are ridden.
Currently torn between the TA and T7. No thanks on the DRmid.
Tenere is the first the most durable more qualitydurable mechanics and the best for me.
The Transalp... if you can get one!
I was really quick to think that Honda missed out greatly on the design. Something with more flair would have been much appreciated. But we should not forget that a more "inoffensive" design is going to greatly help it reach a much wider market.
I agree... However believe the package as a whole to not impede on the Africa Twin.. if they made the transalp any better! They wouldn't sell AT's .. iMHO 😊
I'll say the new benchmark is the aprilia!
Price for the Transalp is already released in Europe, it'll probably be £10.499 in the UK...yes, getting ripped off once again, there's not £2500 between the Hornet and the 8S to their ADV sisters ! KTM 890 ADV old model for under £9k,what to buy until the bugs are rattled out of these new models, and accessories are available, Hessler have the 800DE looking good already, the primary reason to buy a Suzuki,the specialist builders for that brand that Honda doesn't have!
In germany the dealers offer it for 10500 to 10800, but in euros!
I'd have a V Strom 650 XT before they stop making them.
How can you possibly determine that T7 engine is the less torquey? max torque peak could be misleading, and I would wait for a proper test ride comparison before expressing assessment.
And why people always forgot the Aprilia Tuareg? It's by far the best bike in the segment...
I like the look of the Suzuki & Honda
The Suzi weighs the same as an Africa Twin so possibly a better comparison with cost and performance.
I can't wait till I can ride that new Transalp myself
Fully adjustable suspension does not seem to matter that much, after all...Let's wait to see whether the Honda feels as light as its figures show, because for the Tenere, that is definitely not the case...
Vstrom is the only one with quick shifter as standard and the only one with fully adjustable suspension. And Has the best range .and out of the three the best display .
Well.. to be honest I have to say that this is a nice example of making videos just to close a to do list ✅..
Some MOTOBOB videos are pretty good with useful information and unbiased opinions.. and this is not the case!
First, you haven't ridden two of them, then there's facts.. T7 also have slipper clutch (23 model), and where's the Aprilia and KTM??
But that's a funny Honda commercial 😊
I took a Tenere for a test drive on the road and suspension was so hard that my coxix was sore for a couple of days after, but the handling was great. I got a africa twin in the end, DCT. 🤣
I owned a T7 (briefly). Suspension is not hard, it's just bad and poor quality. In fact it is too soft for any half decent offroad, and will bottom out easily. The fork is a pogo stick
@@sspirito3130 An upgrade kit from TEKNIK is a must. It's sad that Yamaha haven't put a fully sorted suspension package on the T7. C'mon Yamaha, you can do it, ya hear me?
My choice: Honda Transalp! Thanks for sharing.
Thing is we do not know when the transalp will be be available in Canada.
Between these three? It’s an easy pick:
- either the Aprilia TUAREG 660 or the KTM 790 Adventure 2023 !
🤣🤣🤣😜💪🏼😎🇵🇹👍🏼
Apparently the Hornet 750 is better off road than the Trans Alp🤔 A wheelbase comparison would've been nice
Definitely the Transalp for me - buller proof reliability and better road manners - but this is acknowledging most riding will be on tarmac and off-road will be limited to gravel, some dirt but not true off-road adventures...
As a T7 killer, I would put my money on the Tuareg 660. (At least in Europe)
Haha nope
Tuareg sales are very poor in the UK with so many used T7s about now.
Missing the Tuareg and the 790 😀
And don't forget the CFMoto offering.
Having grown up in a motorcycle shop and being exposed to them for a large portion of my life, Honda was always the best. Best all around for your buck and definitely the best motors. The 4 major Japanese bikes are all good bikes though. I've owned all but Suzuki now. Even a Harley/Buell.
With this being said, I now own and ride a Tenere. I almost bought the Aprilia Toureg, but chose not to due to limited dealerships, it being a new model, and there are more electronics than I would prefer when it comes to an offroad machine. Simplicity is your friend in that world. I was fortunate as I had put a down payment on one but it never came in so I moved on and the Tenere fell in my lap. It was hard to pass it up so here we are. I rode a KLR 650 for over a decade and previous to that I was riding sport bikes for well over a decade. It's nice to have some power back and 70 HP on a bike like the Tenere is quite generous and fun in my opinion. The motor is extremely smooth and riding the bike isn't much different than my KLR. Basically the same feel with far more power and far more quality. Overall, I love my Tenere and it could possibly be my favorite machine I've ever owned. I look forward to riding the Honda. Even though I bleed Honda, it will be hard to beat the Tenere for me. It's so light, nimble, and a true beast off road for the class. Hard to find but you will not be disappointed with a Tenere. You will need to be taller or have long legs though. It is a tall bike. I'm 5'11" with long legs and I'm barely able to be flat footed.
I think a Yamaha 3 cylinder adventure bike is coming soon~ that will be WAY more power & similar weight.
T7 is the top one.
You should have included the aprilia tuareg.
And that’s #1.
Honda fan here.
Does the Vstrom DE come with tube or tubeless?
Styling should never be a category, anywhere. Due to the fact that’s it’s a personal choice that can’t be put into stats.
So none of them have cruise control? For do all middleweight bikes, that's kind of a miss. So it looks like if I want all the features that all of these bikes have, plus cruise control, I only have 1 choice- the Aprilia Tuareg 660. Sad, I was sure one of these middleweights would have that feature.
you nailed it. Transalp all the way.
You forgot to say that the quickshifter is standard on the Suzuki.
While it is not on these two models.
The Transalp is a bike without emotion and soul.
While the Suzuki is a hit in my opinion. That's why I already ordered the Suzuki. And I can't wait to drive it in April 💥 🏍💥
On what do you base your claim about the Honda?
watch the MSN review of the Transalp - your very wrong.
I drive a 2008. Transalp 700, and I'm buying a new one. No Suzuki, no Aprilia, no .... I need a bike that goes on, and on, and on ...
This is a total new engine for honda. how do you know that it is going to last forever , suzuki also made extremely reliable engines but this is a new one for them too.
@@silotx It's a Honda.
I love my Hondas over the years but have owned a few Zuk's too and they have been long term bullet proof, great bikes and great running engines.
@@dubravkojanusic6996 i had 7 different Honda bikes the it's a Honda slogan is stupid , the very first Honda bikes had a ton of problems then they became bulletproof then they started cutting corners and i have had problems with my last 2 bikes and recalls "not the engine" in peripherals, electronics , software , and lower cc Honda bikes and scooters are not even made in Japan but in Thailand and have severely lower quality that is not worth the price tag imo apart from the solid engine.
The engine will probably last for many years but everything else can very well crumble long before that.
@@silotx Maybe it's not the bikes. 😉
These bikes are supposed to be off-road capable, not just dirt road capable. Only one of these is, T7. Do Honda and Suzuki really belong to that category?
What a surprise! HondaBob goes for the Honda. I wonder (boing) where Honda (boing) will save (boing) the money (boing)? Could it be on the suspension? Boing!
Honda looks dated to me and budget, prefer the other 2.
Suzuki has superior adjustable suspension, crash protection standard and a quickshifter as standard so has more tech and a better chassis. I think you need to do more research.
I'm about to buy my First Bick...
I'm looking for adventure motorcycle...for long long destinations in Asia, Africa, North America....I'm planning to get my Training course soon...
So Please what you Guys from your Experiences suggesting...yamaha , v-strom , Translap 750 or BMW?
Thanks alot for all the Advices 🙏🏻🙂
Three times parallel twins - oh how exciting
What does styling have to do with i anything? It totally depends on who you ask. People have different taste.
So it should NOT be category.
3 new ADV models from the 3 largest Japanese motorcycle manufacturers, and all of them are missing critical features for an adventure machine such as tubeless wheels and cruise control.
Don't have to re-invent the whell, just copy it from Aprilia :-)
Very Nice ✌🙋♂️
This is a comparison of three motorcycles, that two of them you haven't ridden yet. So how can you score them ???
More choice of features is a good thing for salesmen. It keeps mechanics kid's in the best schools charging customers to replace it. It's a bunch of nothing if you know how to ride.
Nice
Aprilia Tuareg!
What about the Aprilia Tuareg 660 ?
Ew.
If honda and Suzuki can get their bikes to the dealer they will sell. Yamaha hasn't been able to do that and the ones that do make it get a premium added to the price by the dealer.
I want a smaller Yamaha Rally style 450
Does anyone know, will the Transalp also come with cruise control?
Mr MotoBob, you’ve missed a very important competitor to that line up. How about the newly released 2023 KTM 790 Adventure ? Same price as the Japanese 3, but with more torque, power and CC’s. I used to own a T7, and switched to a 2020 KTM 790 Adventure-S.
I’ve owned 27x different bikes in my life. I think the 790 adventure is an awesome, Goldilocks bike. I use mine for commuting (all year round), touring and breakfast runs.
If I had to change bikes, I’d get another one (890s).
Oversquare … means gutless low down ! Torque is pitiful on the new Hornet.
para quando KTM 790 e BMW F 800 GS
Aprilia Tuareg 660 as T7 killer??
Haha nope
Absolutely in every aspects. Only quastion is reliability? It takes time….
Mr.motobob...i read somewhere that ktm would be coming with a 690cc parallel twin platform in the near future...ditching the 490 cc parallel twin...and btw you missed the tuareg 660
I don't think Tuareg falls in this price bracket. It is more of a KTM, Husky and Tiger category.
@@tema_cph Think it depends where you are in the World.
Tuareg official price in UK is about the same as the others but can be got with substantial discounts.
Aprilia available for about £9000
Honda will be about £9900 I think.
seems Yamaha distribution issues are over and 2022 pre reg's are available for about £9k as well.
Suzuki about 10.6K
the v strom with it´s bold on rear frame, 270 degree twin, longer travel. more fuel, perfect motor for touring which makes better usable power then the honda. the suzuki is the best if you want a true adventure bike wich of course are most ridden on pavement. also the looks i thing ist the best on the suzi. of course if you realy want to ride offrad alot, but i would then the yamaha. but in reality these bikes are ridden in every day riding cause thery handel very good and you see a lot cause of high and upright riding poition so these bikes are mostly used for just every day riding with also capabilites for longer trips. so you don´t need 3 diverent bikes in your already cramped garage space.
Mmm ya missing 2023 ktm 790 adv 😮😮