I am so happy for this program. I am almost 80 also with a month difference - May 2nd. So we are preparing and thinking about all that after life etc... This would be a most enjoyable episode. Thank you Dan Harris and thank you Joseph!
Uff, around 4:21 I was sad for a moment. But I'm glad that Joseph wants to share his full scope, because nobody can explain Buddhism as well as he can.
Great dialogue and questions! Dan Harris' questions were direct & thought-provoking. Goldstein's answers were equally direct & well-considered. I enjoyed the interview!
So wonderful Joseph that you are going beyond acceptable norms… I have also experienced the non material yet very real aspect of consciousness … I feel that these experiences are confirmed.
@31:15 ("toxically skeptical"). I can relate to that. I came to all this through "mindfunless" to help me with my mental health. I didn't realize it was vipassana/buddhism. I didn't know that it was talked about by peope like Eckhart or Mooji, et. al. If I'd known that, I would have _never_ gotten into the simple practice of observing my thoughts (individuating the observer from the thinker). It was 5 years later that I heard someone say "yeah, this is what Eckhart talks about, but he comes at it like you already know what he's talking about." I watched one of his videos & had an epiphany to hear someone talk about my experience like they'd had it themselves. (But, very humbled to know that - if I'd found him first - I would have gotten hung up on the religious tones, the new-age stuff, which "tradition" is more accurate, which translation. I would have never gotten the simplicity of "you're not your thoughts. You can observe this for yourself."). It took 3-4 years before I got into buddhism. Again, the simplicity of "you're doing it to yourself" (the first 2 noble truths) would have not gotten through to me. I would have gotten hung up on all the unproveable "belief" in karma, rebirth, etc. The fundamental part of it (how the mind works) is 100% observable. I wouldn't have gotten that part.
I wonder if Buddhism has language for codependency Being “kind” and “generous “ are lovely ideas. I seem to need to navigate these qualities, especially being female, with awareness of balancing these qualities in a healthy way Thank you Joseph
Actually, I've been taught that there is such a thing as collective karma, so climate change, or a result of climate change is a result of our collective karma. Wars are another example. Actions + conditions = results. It is all driven by our intention (motivation). Intention is the driver. When we have conscious intention of an action (of body, speech or mind) - positive or negative - it creates karma - positive or negative.
Thanks for the great video showing a central teaching of the Buddha, the law of karma often accepted without question in traditional countries in Asia. In fact the workings of karma including directly witnessing how previous life's karma causes the arising of the present mind and matter is still possible in my meditation lineage originated in Myanmar. And there are many practitioners including some Westerners have had first hand experience on attesting it. Check out Beth Upton who is currently teaching yogis to directly access to this myterious phenomena and once they're able to do it they would put the doubt at rest.
Very interesting to hear Josephs thoughts on this. There is no doubt that Buddhism has always had karma/rebirth as a central teaching. It seems many modern/secular type dharma practitioners try to somehow question this, like the original Buddha never taught it. I think its a futile approach...its clear as day....Buddhism teaches these things. I myself don't believe in any of it. Karma, rebirth, past lives, future lives, cosmic bodhisattvas, hell realms, god realms, telepathy, healing, levitation, Brahman, Mara....these are all in the Buddhist cannon...do we believe this too? This is why, even as a lay zen practitioner myself, I hesitate to call myself a Buddhist. I know nothing about past lives, union with God, the law of karma, how all this came to be, or where its all going...I don't believe anyone does, no matter how spiritual or accomplished.... When I try to adopt some new metaphysical belief - it just leads to more unease as its not provable. I have found it best to just admit, honestly and humbly - " I don't know"
What would be a good term for that stream of consciousness that goes from life to life to life? A soul, a self, an atman? Seems like a lot of equivocation and self-contradiction here.
Consciousness is anicca, dukkha, and anatta, meaning consciousness is changing, imperfect, and not completely safe to grasp on to as me, mine, or myself.
Consciousness is awareness of an object. When the object changes, consciousness changes. Therefore consciousness has no solid, unchanging essence. Because it changes, it is not reasonable to perpetually grasp at and hold on to. It's like trying to capture water with a strainer - it just keeps flowing from one form to another. This apparent lack of a solid, inherent essence is what is called anatta. Consciousness is like this.
new subscriber, just stumbled here. (Explaining the Buddhist cosmology.). New to Dan Harris, new to Joseph Goldstein, but know both are well respected communicators, much appreciated this sharing. Am doing the audio books of the Pali canon, as if I were a layman hearing the straight Buddhist teachings from a monk speaking them. I'm on the second time through the Majjhima Nikaya. (The Majjhima Nikaya, or "Middle-length Discourses" of the Buddha, is the second of the five nikayas (collections) of the Sutta Pitaka.)
Dan doesn't have free will because every choice he makes is based on prior causes, either biological (which he didn't choose) or environmental (which he didn't choose either). It's not that complicated. Sam's book is both short and clear, but personally I think Voltaire said it best (much shorter and every bit as clear) in his Philosophic Dictionary. For Joseph, free will means the ability to act in a way that is not predetermined by either divine or physical causes. Spinoza was explicit that we do NOT have free will. It would be modestly interesting see Sam Harris tell Goldstein why he is wrong, the cognitive dissonance of Sam schooling Joseph would be entertaining, to say the least. This is confusing to Dan because of Joe's equivocation.
Sceptical view: buddhist meditators see past lives in their visions, while christian meditators see Christ, heaven or angels, who is right? Isn't that just their conditioning & beliefs appearing in visual form?
I can imagine the pressure ulcers one would have if they indeed meditated motionless for three days. And those injuries would almost certainly bring unhappiness that would last longer than three days. This whole talk is pretty sketch.
Try it. After 45 non moving minutes all my aches left and I came into the present moment in Buddhist meditation center in Surrey BC Canada I wish they had more centers
@@8888cjstarwoman Killing the nerves and muscle fibers in your posterior might make the pain go away (in the present). But it's not healthy for a plethora of reasons, present moment or no, whatever that's worth. Other pains will be incoming, probably back pain, resulting from the loss of gluteal strength. I'm a physical therapist, BTW, so I do know what I'm talking about.
No Dan/Joe, if you have no free will, you have no agency. Karma would be but another effect that's determined by prior causes. It's hard to "make sense" of it because it's incoherent. What more would you expect from a religion that's thousands of years old?
The way I tried to make sense of this confusion is that we have choice within the bounds of unavoidable preconditioning. It's more like "wiggle room" than free will. ???
@@kareyreid1982 I tell myself I'm destined for greatness, lol. And work really hard to set up future causal chains to my benefit. FWIW, I thought Voltaire's entries Destin (Fate) and Liberte' (On Freewill) from his Philosophical Dictionary were the most cogent and compact descriptions.
so not wanting to be here may have been passed along? or is it via the people we hear, that don't seem to hear themselves, the unmindful, the ruminating out loud, the untrained mind in any way, no education just make babies and get a title and approval and security
Dan's comment about positive thinking and a hurricane showed he completely ignored what Joe had just said about karma not being the only causative agent, and he literally used the example of a storm to demonstrate it. Yikes.
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👏🏽 thank you for your time thinking about questions and having thoughtful answers. Really enjoyed the subject matter.
You are so welcome!
Thank you for hosting this brilliant Buddhist teacher.
Thank you to the wonderful Joseph, and to the skillful questioning of the host. May you both be well and happy 🙏🌿☘️
We're so glad!
I am so happy for this program. I am almost 80 also with a month difference - May 2nd. So we are preparing and thinking about all that after life etc... This would be a most enjoyable episode. Thank you Dan Harris and thank you Joseph!
We're so glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you both for this. I feel happy that this experience has arisen for all of us to enjoy!
Uff, around 4:21 I was sad for a moment. But I'm glad that Joseph wants to share his full scope, because nobody can explain Buddhism as well as he can.
He is the best teacher at what he does!
Thank you, gentlemen.
Really appreciate the “insights” 😊
Great dialogue and questions! Dan Harris' questions were direct & thought-provoking. Goldstein's answers were equally direct & well-considered. I enjoyed the interview!
Wonderful! Thanks for joining!
Wow! So excited for Joseph’s company! Thank you thank you thank you 📡🪶💗
Us too!
I love the concept of planting seeds as we move forward in life.
Yes!
So wonderful Joseph that you are going beyond acceptable norms… I have also experienced the non material yet very real aspect of consciousness … I feel that these experiences are confirmed.
Love this!
Thank you, thank you , Dan and Joseph for such kindness in your exploration and sharing of these mystical concepts.
We're so glad you enjoyed it!
Very thought provoking, thanks so much ~🌟
Glad you liked it!
Thank you for this podcast - I just love when you have Joseph on! ❤❤❤
Our pleasure! He IS the best!
@31:15 ("toxically skeptical"). I can relate to that. I came to all this through "mindfunless" to help me with my mental health. I didn't realize it was vipassana/buddhism. I didn't know that it was talked about by peope like Eckhart or Mooji, et. al. If I'd known that, I would have _never_ gotten into the simple practice of observing my thoughts (individuating the observer from the thinker). It was 5 years later that I heard someone say "yeah, this is what Eckhart talks about, but he comes at it like you already know what he's talking about." I watched one of his videos & had an epiphany to hear someone talk about my experience like they'd had it themselves. (But, very humbled to know that - if I'd found him first - I would have gotten hung up on the religious tones, the new-age stuff, which "tradition" is more accurate, which translation. I would have never gotten the simplicity of "you're not your thoughts. You can observe this for yourself.").
It took 3-4 years before I got into buddhism. Again, the simplicity of "you're doing it to yourself" (the first 2 noble truths) would have not gotten through to me. I would have gotten hung up on all the unproveable "belief" in karma, rebirth, etc. The fundamental part of it (how the mind works) is 100% observable. I wouldn't have gotten that part.
Thanks for sharing!
Many, many thanks!
Glad it helped!
Very interesting talk with both Dan and Joseph, I learned a lot and it will help my practice. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
I wonder if Buddhism has language for codependency
Being “kind” and “generous “ are lovely ideas.
I seem to need to navigate these qualities, especially being female, with awareness of balancing these qualities in a healthy way
Thank you Joseph
Very nice discussion. Enjoyed every moment of it! Thank you. guys!
Our pleasure!
Thanks to you both for the insights. Wonderful discussion. 🙏🙏
Our pleasure!
Actually, I've been taught that there is such a thing as collective karma, so climate change, or a result of climate change is a result of our collective karma. Wars are another example. Actions + conditions = results. It is all driven by our intention (motivation). Intention is the driver. When we have conscious intention of an action (of body, speech or mind) - positive or negative - it creates karma - positive or negative.
Thanks for sharing your insight!
Such an interesting talk. Feel so lucky to be able to access this. Thank you both
Loved this one so much! Thank you. ♥️
Thank you!
Agree kindness means so much in this life.
Amen!
Joseph is the best, thanks for this
just a word and wordless thank you
Thank you!
An interesting way to look at is “we don’t have free will” we have feelings 😊😊
Thank you all
Thanks for the great video showing a central teaching of the Buddha, the law of karma often accepted without question in traditional countries in Asia. In fact the workings of karma including directly witnessing how previous life's karma causes the arising of the present mind and matter is still possible in my meditation lineage originated in Myanmar. And there are many practitioners including some Westerners have had first hand experience on attesting it. Check out Beth Upton who is currently teaching yogis to directly access to this myterious phenomena and once they're able to do it they would put the doubt at rest.
Thanks for sharing!
Very interesting to hear Josephs thoughts on this. There is no doubt that Buddhism has always had karma/rebirth as a central teaching. It seems many modern/secular type dharma practitioners try to somehow question this, like the original Buddha never taught it. I think its a futile approach...its clear as day....Buddhism teaches these things. I myself don't believe in any of it. Karma, rebirth, past lives, future lives, cosmic bodhisattvas, hell realms, god realms, telepathy, healing, levitation, Brahman, Mara....these are all in the Buddhist cannon...do we believe this too? This is why, even as a lay zen practitioner myself, I hesitate to call myself a Buddhist. I know nothing about past lives, union with God, the law of karma, how all this came to be, or where its all going...I don't believe anyone does, no matter how spiritual or accomplished.... When I try to adopt some new metaphysical belief - it just leads to more unease as its not provable. I have found it best to just admit, honestly and humbly - " I don't know"
What would be a good term for that stream of consciousness that goes from life to life to life? A soul, a self, an atman? Seems like a lot of equivocation and self-contradiction here.
Consciousness is anicca, dukkha, and anatta, meaning consciousness is changing, imperfect, and not completely safe to grasp on to as me, mine, or myself.
@@PeaceSC2 Wut
Consciousness is awareness of an object. When the object changes, consciousness changes. Therefore consciousness has no solid, unchanging essence. Because it changes, it is not reasonable to perpetually grasp at and hold on to. It's like trying to capture water with a strainer - it just keeps flowing from one form to another.
This apparent lack of a solid, inherent essence is what is called anatta. Consciousness is like this.
@@PeaceSC2 Wut
@@chadreilly Consciousness is liquid and yours appears to have leaked all over the floor.
J.G. IN THE HOUSE
He's THE best!
They mention und map to awakening. What is that?
You might also consider that Buddha himself was a bit dizzy in his descriptions, and we have zero reason to think he was inerrant.
new subscriber, just stumbled here. (Explaining the Buddhist cosmology.). New to Dan Harris, new to Joseph Goldstein, but know both are well respected communicators, much appreciated this sharing.
Am doing the audio books of the Pali canon, as if I were a layman hearing the straight Buddhist teachings from a monk speaking them. I'm on the second time through the Majjhima Nikaya. (The Majjhima Nikaya, or "Middle-length Discourses" of the Buddha, is the second of the five nikayas (collections) of the Sutta Pitaka.)
Welcome aboard!
“Instant Karmas gonna getcha” John Lennon
Dan doesn't have free will because every choice he makes is based on prior causes, either biological (which he didn't choose) or environmental (which he didn't choose either). It's not that complicated. Sam's book is both short and clear, but personally I think Voltaire said it best (much shorter and every bit as clear) in his Philosophic Dictionary.
For Joseph, free will means the ability to act in a way that is not predetermined by either divine or physical causes. Spinoza was explicit that we do NOT have free will.
It would be modestly interesting see Sam Harris tell Goldstein why he is wrong, the cognitive dissonance of Sam schooling Joseph would be entertaining, to say the least. This is confusing to Dan because of Joe's equivocation.
Sceptical view: buddhist meditators see past lives in their visions, while christian meditators see Christ, heaven or angels, who is right? Isn't that just their conditioning & beliefs appearing in visual form?
I can imagine the pressure ulcers one would have if they indeed meditated motionless for three days. And those injuries would almost certainly bring unhappiness that would last longer than three days. This whole talk is pretty sketch.
Try it. After 45 non moving minutes all my aches left and I came into the present moment in Buddhist meditation center in Surrey BC Canada I wish they had more centers
@@8888cjstarwoman Killing the nerves and muscle fibers in your posterior might make the pain go away (in the present). But it's not healthy for a plethora of reasons, present moment or no, whatever that's worth. Other pains will be incoming, probably back pain, resulting from the loss of gluteal strength.
I'm a physical therapist, BTW, so I do know what I'm talking about.
No Dan/Joe, if you have no free will, you have no agency. Karma would be but another effect that's determined by prior causes. It's hard to "make sense" of it because it's incoherent. What more would you expect from a religion that's thousands of years old?
The way I tried to make sense of this confusion is that we have choice within the bounds of unavoidable preconditioning. It's more like "wiggle room" than free will. ???
@@kareyreid1982 I tell myself I'm destined for greatness, lol. And work really hard to set up future causal chains to my benefit. FWIW, I thought Voltaire's entries Destin (Fate) and Liberte' (On Freewill) from his Philosophical Dictionary were the most cogent and compact descriptions.
so not wanting to be here may have been passed along? or is it via the people we hear, that don't seem to hear themselves, the unmindful, the ruminating out loud, the untrained mind in any way, no education just make babies and get a title and approval and security
"A very clear map that anyone can follow..." Well, apparently not Joseph.
Dan's comment about positive thinking and a hurricane showed he completely ignored what Joe had just said about karma not being the only causative agent, and he literally used the example of a storm to demonstrate it. Yikes.
Hocus pocus and too much suspension of actuality!😮
yeah i’ll go back to other amazing Goldstein lectures. Interviews may not be his thing