Battle of Towton | Wars of the Roses | Instruments of Death

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  • In this episode of Instruments of Death we investigate how weapons and body armour were developed by taking a look at the impact of the Battle of Towton during the Wars of the Roses.
    It’s Palm Sunday and the year is 1461. In a remote field in Yorkshire two massive armies are facing each other and preparing to go into battle. The weather is freezing, snow begins to fall, and men of both sides are praying to their God for victory and deliverance, but they both know that no quarter will be asked or given.
    Suddenly the sky becomes dark with deadly arrows, soldiers scream as they are hit, but this is only the beginning. Soon men are in pitched battle, hacking into each other with their swords and axes, skulls are crushed, limbs are severed, and the snow runs red with blood - the Battle of Towton is in full cry.
    It’s almost impossible for us to imagine the hell of medieval pitched battles, the bloodlust, the noise, the sheer brutality of the fighting. They were tests of strength, endurance, and of course raw courage. It was quite literally, kill or be killed!
    No one really knows exactly how many men fought at the Battle of Towton but fifty thousand would be a fair estimate. It was just one battle in what history remembers as the Wars of the Roses, the long struggle for power between the houses of York and Lancaster, the white rose and the red rose.
    In this documentary we examine why weapons such as the poleaxe and the longbow, were so deadly in the hands of medieval men-at-arms. We see the effects they had on the human body, and how the wounds they inflicted were treated. We’ll find out how the weapons were made, what men did to try and protect themselves, and try to get into the hearts and minds of the men who fought here at Towton more than 500 years ago.
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  • @longstreet0163
    @longstreet0163 Рік тому +237

    Brilliant. The bowyer is called Richard Head. I can see why he doesn't use the shortened version of his name.

    • @Anglo_Saxon1
      @Anglo_Saxon1 Рік тому +6

      Hahaha!! 😂🤣🤣 my Grandad was called Dick.Im sure he'd have laughed at your comment too!

    • @cbroz7492
      @cbroz7492 Рік тому +3

      ...it's spelled in lower case...

    • @Anglo_Saxon1
      @Anglo_Saxon1 Рік тому +2

      @@cbroz7492 ?

    • @scottmasson3336
      @scottmasson3336 Рік тому +2

      Your namesake I take it!

    • @mikedrop4421
      @mikedrop4421 Рік тому +8

      I once had a customer named Frank Wiener. Imagine being named after a sausage TWICE.

  • @_fiend
    @_fiend Рік тому +47

    Knew that archer was familiar, what a legend Kevin is.

    • @Nozylatten
      @Nozylatten Рік тому +5

      Kevins youtube channel is TheHistorySquad

    • @_fiend
      @_fiend Рік тому +5

      @@Nozylatten been subbed since like 5k subs haha, I love Kevin Hicks

    • @Cre9000
      @Cre9000 3 місяці тому +5

      Kevin Hicks is a genius and incredible story teller. When ever I listen to his military history stories I feel like I am there transported back in time.

    • @BattleFilmStudios
      @BattleFilmStudios 2 місяці тому +1

      Sir Jellybean

    • @_fiend
      @_fiend 2 місяці тому

      @@BattleFilmStudios I drew his UA-cam logo ;)

  • @AtheisticAtheist
    @AtheisticAtheist 9 місяців тому +36

    It's amazing to think that the last recorded use of long bows was in 1642 during a skirmish in the English civil war. A bunch of militia armed with a number of bows successfully overcame a group of un-armoured musket men.

    • @LeoPlaw
      @LeoPlaw 3 місяці тому +6

      No, actually the last recorded use of a long bow in war was WWII by Mad Jack Churchill. He also went into battle with a longsword and bagpipes.
      ua-cam.com/video/t-1Ch02dmtY/v-deo.html
      ua-cam.com/video/KiEx40M3Vdw/v-deo.html
      😁

    • @AtheisticAtheist
      @AtheisticAtheist 3 місяці тому +7

      @LeoPlaw Yeah, I'm aware of him, but he was somewhat of an oddball (albeit with the greatest of respect).
      Have you watched the scene from Apocalypse Now where the soldier on the patrol boat gets killed by a spear thrown from the jungle. His last words were, "A spear?"

    • @LeoPlaw
      @LeoPlaw 3 місяці тому +2

      @@AtheisticAtheist yes, we with our modern weapons seem to forget that ancient weapons still kill. Let's not forget soldiers are still trained to an extent with hand to hand combat also. Apocolypse Now... there were arrows in that part also. =)

    • @phineascampbell3103
      @phineascampbell3103 2 місяці тому

      Seems a foregone conclusion really! That the people who had weapons beat the unarmed folks!!

    • @svd5174
      @svd5174 2 місяці тому

      ​@@phineascampbell3103dude what a stupid comment

  • @davesmith7432
    @davesmith7432 Рік тому +23

    My man Sir Kevin Hicks! Thehistorysquad is a brilliant channel!

  • @leslietarkin5705
    @leslietarkin5705 Рік тому +68

    In 1484, King Richard III had a chapel built in Saxton so the dead could be laid to rest there or on the grounds. Unfortunately, after his death in 1485, the chapel fell into disrepair and collapsed. The monument at 2:46 was erected in the 1920s. It is said to have been made from repurposed bricks from the collapsed chapel.

    • @goodstuff8156
      @goodstuff8156 Рік тому +2

      It’s interesting to see both sides being honored and remembered centuries after the war ended.

    • @colinclement2752
      @colinclement2752 Рік тому +2

      Interesting stuff

    • @LizzieShmizzie
      @LizzieShmizzie 11 місяців тому +1

      ​@@goodstuff8156 it is. At the end of the day, they were both British.

    • @AtheisticAtheist
      @AtheisticAtheist 9 місяців тому +1

      No different to the American Civil War. Apart from the body count.

  • @richardsanchez5444
    @richardsanchez5444 Рік тому +38

    I'm so glad to hear European armor being described correctly. As flexible yet protective. Too many times it's described as clunky and ineffective.

    • @BUSTERy
      @BUSTERy Рік тому +3

      Have you ever watched knight fighting? There's a Russian league of MMA guys who fight 1vs1 in some type of armour with swords or axes, bit like gladiators I suppose it's on UA-cam.

    • @savagex466-qt1io
      @savagex466-qt1io Рік тому +1

      You should be able to ride a bike with it on. Give or take. When I was a kid I was told that the french knight was so heavy they needed to be hoisted onto there horses but I dont know if that was true.

    • @anonanon7497
      @anonanon7497 Рік тому +3

      European medieval history has been ridiculously mis-represented in popular culture.

    • @420JackG
      @420JackG Рік тому +3

      I think you could generally be pretty nimble and well protected in armor, providing you had good (expensive) armor and it was properly fit to you (expensive).

    • @fraser311
      @fraser311 3 місяці тому +1

      It was extremely effective. Otherwise, the wildly wealthy would never have used it. Breaking new, metal is hard.

  • @martinconnors5195
    @martinconnors5195 Рік тому +19

    One of the most bloodiest battles of the Medieval period. The brutality

    • @burnheretic3950
      @burnheretic3950 Рік тому +5

      One of the most bloody* battles of the medieval period.

    • @leobulero3485
      @leobulero3485 Рік тому +12

      @@burnheretic3950 go away

  • @welshman8954
    @welshman8954 Рік тому +18

    Mr Kevin is one of the best historian in the country even tho he lives in Canada lol the way he bring history back to life through his very unique way of teaching his channel the history squad is amazing if you havnt already I can only recommend you give it a go

    • @_fiend
      @_fiend Рік тому +4

      Yep love him, he’s so good at keeping us intrigued in history.

    • @benforsey
      @benforsey 8 місяців тому +1

      He does seem to get very aroused by weapons which is slightly concerning 😅

    • @mindmedic9435
      @mindmedic9435 3 місяці тому

      No, you have him wrong. He just likes to add a bit of historic drama. Watch his channel and you'll understand.

  • @davidmacnab5213
    @davidmacnab5213 Рік тому +18

    Never previously properly understood what "searching" and cauterising a wound really meant. Mind-blowing!

    • @richardsanchez5444
      @richardsanchez5444 Рік тому +4

      Kevin has a good video that shows how an arrow was extracted from a dudes face in his channel the history squad. Great channel if you like this sort of thing

  • @jessicaherring1507
    @jessicaherring1507 2 роки тому +28

    This is a remarkable documentary. Excellent stuff. Thank you

    • @louiscyfer6944
      @louiscyfer6944 Рік тому

      they were shooting those arrows with a light power bow, into not real maille and fake armor. hardly excellent stuff.

  • @johnhanson5943
    @johnhanson5943 Рік тому +5

    Richard Head. Brilliant.

  • @felixcat9318
    @felixcat9318 Рік тому +6

    The savagery of the combatants was truly horrific, literally hand to hand fighting for ones life amid a sea of men doing the same!
    The means of inflicting death by penetration, slashing, stabbing, hacking, war hammer and axe blows, blunt force trauma and hand cannon were all around them.
    I would imagine that those initially involved would have been slaughtered and that only the latter ranks would have survived.
    The experiences of the survivors would have been unimaginable, and being soldiers, there would always be future battles in which to risk their lives.
    Having now seen what was involved in cauterizing wounds, injured survivors faced the horrors of mediaeval medicine, with red hot irons being plunged into deep, open wounds, and that was after the agonising experience of having a projectile removed, and all without any anaesthetic or pain relief.
    I'm extremely thankful that I wasn't born into those incredibly brutal times...

    • @imeantherearethedarktownsy5210
      @imeantherearethedarktownsy5210 3 місяці тому

      Actually, no! Medieval battles were very brutal, but they were also fought by human beings. People won't ever fight if they know for certain they'll die, and every formation melee was a lot less bloody than it's made out to be in popular culture - which accentuates the brutality even further, when it's only happening to a few men

    • @imeantherearethedarktownsy5210
      @imeantherearethedarktownsy5210 3 місяці тому

      Most organised infantry formations would not mix with the enemy, but would keep a few paces apart, and fight in pulses of close combat, rushing together and then pulling apart with casualties. Unless you had very foolhardy or indisciplined troops, casualties were dragged back or limped through the lines themselves, and 99 times out of 100 conflicts were won by Morale, not losses

    • @imeantherearethedarktownsy5210
      @imeantherearethedarktownsy5210 3 місяці тому

      Specifically, all pre industrial warfare is fundamentally based on spreading shock through enemy formations - when one man flees, his comrades are more likely to - and Towton is an exceptional battle because both sides clung so fiercely to the field

  • @virginiagrundman4012
    @virginiagrundman4012 Рік тому +8

    Every time I venture into UA-cam to see these military and history videos, I end up spending 4 damn hours! I already know a lot of military history but I'm always ready for some cheesy videos😅

  • @BigLisaFan
    @BigLisaFan Рік тому +7

    Fascinating history. The treatment of arrow wounds with no pain relief. It must have been horrific.

  • @alantheinquirer7658
    @alantheinquirer7658 Рік тому +10

    A good book - The Lost Legend of the Thryberg Hawk by Jack Holroyd - also details the role of crossbow detachments, even in Towton.

  • @Andy_Babb
    @Andy_Babb 3 місяці тому +1

    I’ve never seen so many of the docs on this channel. Please more medieval and ancient history? Great stuff! Thank you

  • @2serveand2protect
    @2serveand2protect 4 місяці тому

    Aaah, DAMMIT! ...I've been looking for this material for weeks. Thank You for the upload, mate!

  • @richardsanchez5444
    @richardsanchez5444 Рік тому +2

    Holy hell. Nice to see Kevin hicks from the history squad

  • @James-is2dr
    @James-is2dr 2 роки тому +8

    Very informative, well done. 👍

  • @saltyfruits3961
    @saltyfruits3961 Рік тому +6

    Pretty light longbow! The lads back in the day were pulling between 120 and 180 lbs - which would certainly have made a bigger mess 😮

    • @scottyfox6376
      @scottyfox6376 3 місяці тому

      The pig demonstration was seriously lightweight compared to reality.

  • @alamore5084
    @alamore5084 Рік тому

    Brilliant documentary!

  • @Anglo_Saxon1
    @Anglo_Saxon1 Рік тому +8

    Anyone who was unlucky enough to end up at the wrong end of an English hand cannon in 1461 but lucky enough to have lived, must have been absolutely traumatised by the experience because of it being such a new concept.

    • @floridaboiwoody
      @floridaboiwoody Рік тому +2

      I myself, have questioned just how the English were so often, through history, able to win so often and so far around the world. And how they always seemed to be just a little bit better, smarter, better prepared, and seemingly destined for great feats around the world?

    • @Anglo_Saxon1
      @Anglo_Saxon1 Рік тому +3

      @@floridaboiwoody Do you have English ancestry yourself mate?
      I live in Wakefield Yorkshire not far from Sandal Castle where the surrounding area was the site of a major battle in the Wars of the Roses(Battle of Wakefield 1460)
      The trouble with all this conflict was that it was Englishmen killing Englishmen.

    • @paulmanson253
      @paulmanson253 Рік тому +1

      Working from memory here,but I do believe Henry V used gunpowder weapons at Agincourt. They were cannon,but much smaller than anything we would think of as cannon. More than one Scottish James faced the English with gunpowder weapons. So specifically hand cannon moving about rapidly, perhaps not,but the bang of gunpowder was a sound of centuries.
      Really loud sounds would have been comparatively rare until the late 19th C,and the smell and clouds of choking smoke really would have been battlefield only.

    • @floridaboiwoody
      @floridaboiwoody Рік тому +4

      @@Anglo_Saxon1 I am English and American for more generations than I can discover, but yes. I am very proud of my English and American ancestors. To my knowledge they came to Virginia after ending up on the losing side of the English civil war. Cavaliers. I just hope I can visit england one day.

    • @anonanon7497
      @anonanon7497 Рік тому +1

      @@floridaboiwoody I'd hurry up, as much of it is being built over and many places are changing, if you want to see the quintessential England.

  • @marcboblee1863
    @marcboblee1863 Рік тому +1

    Thank you for posting this excellent piece of English history....

  • @fabolousnature3873
    @fabolousnature3873 Рік тому +1

    Marvelous presentation

  • @FelixstoweFoamForge
    @FelixstoweFoamForge 2 роки тому +10

    You deserve more subs. Great work.

  • @Bluedog4712
    @Bluedog4712 Рік тому +17

    Impressive when you think that Edward was just 18 years old!

    • @christophercorbett5074
      @christophercorbett5074 2 місяці тому

      Absolutely He proved the best tactician in the Wars of the Roses and deserves a far higher military rating than is often accorded him Also a Yorkists talisman The Lancastrian equivalent of that and an excellent strategist and coordinator herself was Queen Margaret Sadly for her side she remained in York with her husband and son The weather too may have had a bit to do with that

  • @etreimage
    @etreimage Рік тому

    excellent doc thank you :)

  • @Leon-bc8hm
    @Leon-bc8hm Рік тому +19

    A longbow was found in 1991 in the Ötztal Alps with a natural mummy known as Ötzi. His bow was made from yew and was 1.82 metres (72 in) long; the body has been dated to around 3300 BC.

    • @Nozylatten
      @Nozylatten Рік тому +2

      Kevins youtube channel is TheHistorySquad

    • @leoghigu
      @leoghigu 3 місяці тому +1

      Longbows are far older than this clip implies.
      For example, disregarding the fact that that long bows were used in various places across the world for hunting, it was used as a weapon of battle by Numidian mercenaries in Egyptian pay during the New Kingdom more than 3000 years ago.
      Even if the producers ment the English longbow as distinct from other longbows, the yew "English" longbow has been used in the British Isles since before there even was an England.

  • @jamesnoonan7450
    @jamesnoonan7450 2 місяці тому

    The bowman is called kevin hicks he now runs his own channel called "The History Sqaud" he's a truly amazing man and had a remarkable life with careers spent in both the british army and the metropolitan police.

  • @davidharrison441
    @davidharrison441 Рік тому

    Richard is a great man , excellent craftsman

  • @TheStrainers
    @TheStrainers Рік тому +5

    One of my 14th great grandfathers was in the Battle of Towton. It's said that he saved the life of King Edward IV during the battle. He was giving the title Grand Bearer of all England after . He was a Marcher lord for the Yorkist side

    • @cuebj
      @cuebj 11 місяців тому

      Anybody with any ancestors who were not all lower feudal class will have had ancestors at Towton. 14th generation at 2.5 children per generation is a lot of people alive today who go back to that man

    • @TheStrainers
      @TheStrainers 11 місяців тому

      @@cuebj Isn't it great, 14 generations direct male line

    • @terryyakamoto3488
      @terryyakamoto3488 8 місяців тому

      What's the name of this individual and more details of your familial link, please

  • @reubenmosman9466
    @reubenmosman9466 Рік тому +1

    Love this show, it's one of the best.

  • @tag10
    @tag10 Рік тому +5

    Technically the lancastrians didn’t win the war. As both sides claimants had all been killed. So the throne passed to the house of Tudor which was a union of houses York and Lancaster. Pretty poetic end tbh.

    • @bethwilliams4903
      @bethwilliams4903 3 місяці тому

      Not quite - Richmond’s coup was achieved with Lancastrians embedded in SW and SE England, many of whom had waited long years in Edward’s service expecting him to reverse family attainders or restore estates - when Richard assumed the throne they gave him precious little time to do what Edward had not and immediately (as in June 1483) began plotting to overthrow him, first as Protector then as king. What is key here is that Richard moves both of Edward’s sons out of London before summer’s end, possibly before his own coronation, and once disaffected Lancastrians such as Bray and Cheney - possibly John and Richard Guildford as well - began the ‘flying tales’ that Edward V was dead (or both so s) the Lancastrian plotters did not immediately look to that vast stable of male options in the House of York - no - they ditched their ‘beloved’ master, Edward IV and his House and threw in with Bray’s exiled master, the Lancastrian Henry of Richmond.
      It was the French under the Regent Anne de Beaujeu, acting for her very young brother Charles, who paid for the ships, armies, mercenaries, paid the upkeep for Richmond’s fellow exiles after their botched rebellion of October 1483, the Regent provided cover for their coup with a rare meeting of the Estates General with a scathing speech, in Latin, citing hideous English royal crimes (complied in the 1450’s) with bald accusation of Richard murdering Edward’s sons - clearly a return to Lancastrian rule was needed.
      The Regent emptied out her Norman jails to fill Richmond’s army, and enlisted the Scots, under their own French-Scots unit (created by Charles VII after he was crowned - by the intervention and aide of Jeanne La Pucelle during the nadir of the French Wars). Even with French money and duplicity the plotters in England needed more to persuade people to Richmond’s cause - they did not want Edward of Warwick, nor any of Suffolk’s’ many sons, nor even the sons of the Duke of Buckingham, about as royal (and as Lancastrian as anyone of them could have wished), no they opted for an exile who spoke French. Had no military background, whose claim to the throne was as transparent as a cobweb - and worse, from his mother.
      The plotters such as Bray were in fact acting in accordance with their master: Lady Stanley, countess Richmond, who had been caught see in the plots to overthrow the king in 1483. But this is not yet the Tudor age so Lady Stanley was not beheaded. She lived to plot again, and with the dowager Queen Elizabeth Wydville, brokering a marriage between the exiled son and the Queen’s daughter, all of whom at the time were in sanctuary.
      Curious events do happen. In March 1484, despite all of Richmond’s proclamations to marry Elizabeth of York, the dowager Queen came to terms with Richard, agreeing to leave sanctuary - her daughters to be raised by him, that he would provide suitable marriages and she would live quietly - she also contacted her eldest son, first marriage, in exile with Richmond, to come home, and make peace with the king who would protect him as well )Dorset was married to Richard’s cousin) - Dorset did indeed get the message and left Richmond’s camp, getting just far enough away to almost take ship before Richmond’s spies caught him and he would spend the next years under tight surveillance and never trusted again for the rest of his life under Henry.
      Over in England, just as the dowager Queen released her daughters from sanctuary into the king’s care, along with that of Queen Anne Neville, the king sent one of his northern retainers, from a family long held in trust, to a small Devon manor and park, to take up his new ‘office’ there. It was a place called “Coldridge” and belonged to Richard’s cousin, Cecily Bonville, who had lost her father, grandfather, uncles, cousins etc, in the disaster of 1460’s Wakefield ambush that also killed Richard’s father, brother, uncles, cousins etc - the Bonvilles were massively affluent in the SW of England and Cecily the reinvent heiress of her day, at 6 months old. Repairing the schism with the dowager queen and her son Dorset was likely the result of Cecily Bonville’s connections and intervention - and as for Coldridge …

    • @michaelharrison3602
      @michaelharrison3602 2 місяці тому

      Henry Tudor wasn't even in the line of succession or if he was he was so far down to be irrelevant as long as their was a yorkist heir he had no claim to the throne he spent his reign exterminating. Any one who could claim descent from the house of York..his son Henry V111 continued the practice arresting nn anyone with a possible claim on trumped up charges

  • @alastairfraser8177
    @alastairfraser8177 Рік тому

    Fascinating documentary

  • @gorillaguerillaDK
    @gorillaguerillaDK Рік тому +2

    Scary thought, seeing a massive cloud of arrows plunging down on you and your comrades at arms!

  • @dimitriofthedon3917
    @dimitriofthedon3917 Рік тому +1

    Love Kev, has a great channel all the way in Canada now

  • @MrFroglips69
    @MrFroglips69 3 місяці тому

    Groovy episode.

  • @jennesis
    @jennesis 2 місяці тому

    10:55 Hey it's Kevin Hicks from @thehistorysquad ! So cool, I love him and his content! Definitely an expert on longbow warfare and combat he is!

  • @theogangryscotsman7607
    @theogangryscotsman7607 Рік тому

    well done... The Allues learned a lot from the Falklins & Grenada. Both showed weakness in a joint environment, holes in equipment deployed, Air Defense planning and redundancy. Both were won due to the men on the ground their ingenuity, ferocity and training.

  • @nancytestani1470
    @nancytestani1470 Рік тому +1

    Fantastic…amazing…

  • @ryansharpe3886
    @ryansharpe3886 Рік тому +1

    Oh man. Poor guy’s name is Richard Head. Wonderful craftsmanship, Dick.

  • @noodles8638
    @noodles8638 Рік тому +2

    I watched this about 10+ years ago on T.V., channel 4 I think, great documentary.

  • @nancytestani1470
    @nancytestani1470 Рік тому +6

    Civil war is totally brutal, far worse than any war..cousins, brothers, fathers sisters, wives, they all knew each other, so very cruel.

    • @cuebj
      @cuebj 11 місяців тому

      I heard recently that Englush Civil War of Parliament and King Charles had more casualties than WW1, not sure if that was absolute number or proportion of population

  • @flyingirish31
    @flyingirish31 2 місяці тому

    Was in MND-B CIC when they hit the house Zarqawi was in. That was one of the few days to celebrate in that tour.

  • @mickythemack4558
    @mickythemack4558 Рік тому

    Love kevs enthusiasm

  • @mitchellhale7150
    @mitchellhale7150 11 місяців тому

    So awesome to see a young Kev!

  • @AtheisticAtheist
    @AtheisticAtheist 3 місяці тому +1

    I could imagine a Yorkist archer raising a finger in the air.
    "Winds in our favor lads."

  • @ingerlander
    @ingerlander Рік тому +3

    This is butchery and slaughter on a very personal level, just three feet. I wonder what percentage suffered what today is called PTSD

    • @91Redmist
      @91Redmist Рік тому

      No kidding. And I suppose there was no such thing as veteran support services to help those poor guys.

  • @nobbytang
    @nobbytang Рік тому +34

    Most people know of agincourt and some about Crecy and the war of the Roses but the longbows also took a terrible toll of Scottish spearmen in numerous battles like Dupplin muir , homildon hill , Flodden etc etc but most of the Scottish soldiers only wore a quilted jacket without even chain mail ….ouch !!

    • @2serveand2protect
      @2serveand2protect Рік тому +8

      Maybe that's why the only pitch-battles that the Scotts were able to win, within the period, were the ones in which they managed to neutralize the English/Welsh archers - either by using the terrain, or with rapid - flanking cavalry manouvres, wiping them out before they were able to deploy their bows and use them "en masse" ...just like at Bannockburn. Even though there was no better target for the bowmen, like slowly-moving, massive infantry-formations, used by the Scotts.

    • @vinz4066
      @vinz4066 Рік тому +1

      The longbow could Not Pierce Plate though

    • @alexanderoddy4916
      @alexanderoddy4916 Рік тому +1

      @@vinz4066 actually according to recent experiments it can. Although this is very much dependent on range and the type of arrowhead used.
      A bodkin tip at under 75 yards was quite capable of this feat

    • @pearsonbrown6740
      @pearsonbrown6740 Рік тому +1

      @@alexanderoddy4916 The video doesn't seem to suggest this. What was different about the "experiments" and what was shown here?

    • @alexanderoddy4916
      @alexanderoddy4916 Рік тому

      @@pearsonbrown6740 if you look up Todd workshop and lindybeige they both ran a series of experiments with accurate heat treated reproductions of the armour of the time (including gamberson etc) and shot at various ranges with various weights of bow with multiple different arrow heads. The results were interesting to say the least. I would give you a link but I don’t know how to
      But if you search for lindybeige channel or todds workshop you can see for yourself and make up your own mind

  • @AtheisticAtheist
    @AtheisticAtheist 2 місяці тому

    Harald Godwinson at Hastings and James IV of Scotland at Flodden both died similar deaths. Both were wounded in face by an arrow and then mercilessly hacked down.

  • @charliekezza
    @charliekezza Рік тому +12

    Well I'll be damned "long bow" has nothing to do with size of the bow

  • @dragonclaws9367
    @dragonclaws9367 4 місяці тому

    That man with the mace is certainly menacing. It must be deafening being struck on the helmet. Chaos.

  • @Ohne_Silikone
    @Ohne_Silikone 8 місяців тому +1

    I don't see rivets in the chainmail. The chain is very open and doesn’t look forged. This 'test' is like shooting a nato round into a body armour made out of layers of cotton. Sure it gives the grand idea, but with a lot of inaccuracy.

  • @rainstand2772
    @rainstand2772 Рік тому +3

    Can you post the episode about Boudicca

  • @davidtomsett
    @davidtomsett 7 місяців тому +1

    Surely there must be hundreds of arrowheads to be discovered by metal detectors on the battlefield

    • @ProfessorPesca
      @ProfessorPesca 3 місяці тому

      I’m no expert but I can’t imagine there’d be that much left of a ferrous arrowhead after 550 years in a muddy English field. It would be wonderful to find one though!

  • @matthewnaylor4412
    @matthewnaylor4412 2 місяці тому

    Long live the glorious red rose!. 🌹

  • @tooyoungtobeold8756
    @tooyoungtobeold8756 Рік тому +8

    No mention of swords or lances or maces. At what range did the archers shoot? I would imagine people would die having the broad arrowhead removed - the pain must have been unbearable. An excellent video Thank you.

    • @Riceball01
      @Riceball01 Рік тому +9

      Swords were generally sidearms, backup weapons to the primary weapon. As cool as they are, they're generally not that effective against armor., which is why knights and other men at arms tended to favor weapons' like the pollaxe which, generally speaking, were better against armor as demonstrated in this video.
      As for lances, historically the English liked to fight on foot. While they probably had some cavalry at this battle, the majority of the English forces would likely have been infantry, soldiers on foot. This would have applied to both knights and armored men at arms.

  • @plunder1956
    @plunder1956 Рік тому +1

    The multilayer combination of good quality plate armour, chain mail & the dense wadding underlay beneath it was more effective at stopping arrows. But only a small minority had that quality of protection.

  • @tituslaronius
    @tituslaronius Рік тому +6

    Also something that I wonder. When Kev's using the pollaxe, he's waving it about alot. You can't do that in a compact melee. There's just no room. So I'm assuming they used it more like a pokey stick than a whacky hammer. Right?

    • @m__axgr
      @m__axgr Рік тому

      Yes

    • @Silly00000
      @Silly00000 3 місяці тому

      They would most likely treat it as a first phase weapon then toss it and switch to either a mace or a warhammer.
      I'm by no means an expert but medieval battles could get so dense that people would die from being crushed in the crowd of soldiers. Wielding a 2+ meter long weapon would be impossible.

  • @perunlowtuned
    @perunlowtuned Рік тому

    Kev has his own YT channel - thehistorysquad, and it's brilliant! 👍

  • @hugosophy
    @hugosophy 6 місяців тому

    I’d love to see a show with Kevin hicks, mike loads, and Toby capwell, Peter Woodward. And Tony Robinson

  • @mickvonbornemann3824
    @mickvonbornemann3824 8 місяців тому

    How to tell friends & foe in the melae?

  • @arrogance8478
    @arrogance8478 Рік тому

    When doing the arrow test you can clearly see the mail is not riveted or welded links, not trying to be to critical but this is a bit of an oversight for how effective the bow is.

  • @matthewalphonso3420
    @matthewalphonso3420 Рік тому

    @thehistorysquad funny seeing you show up.

  • @tracym2192
    @tracym2192 Рік тому +4

    keep in mind, when Mr. Head was demonstrating weapons, he’s swinging at 30% and he’s of older age. imagine a 20 something year old man swinging that war hammer with everything he had through adrenaline. yikes

    • @cuebj
      @cuebj 11 місяців тому +2

      In a crowded melee, probably more shoving and poking and thrusting with little room to swing which leaves you open to being stabbed by a thrust. Swinging more suitable for more open situation or for second rank to bash heads of enemy front row

  • @darrensaquaticsworld
    @darrensaquaticsworld Рік тому +1

    The armour used for testing on this documentary is pitiful. They must have raided their local theatre

  • @StaunchyWaunchy
    @StaunchyWaunchy Рік тому +1

    “Smells nice!” 🙃

  • @lorihenderson673
    @lorihenderson673 11 місяців тому

    I recommend Leeds armory the staff are knowledgeable and very approachable x

  • @jennesis
    @jennesis 2 місяці тому

    For those who are curious, the reason why a pig carcass is being used is because their skin is similar to our skin. So for the sake of demonstration, it's the closest these experiments can get to replicating the wounds these weapons and attacks could've caused without using a real person.

  • @CP-vq3cz
    @CP-vq3cz 2 місяці тому

    I was wondering how old this documentary was and then we see a young Kevin Hicks. This must've been a little while ago.

  • @stewdogg42
    @stewdogg42 Рік тому

    Should I be concerned that Kev derives such joy from hacking up pigs with his pole axe?

  • @catsamazing338
    @catsamazing338 Рік тому +4

    Very interesting indeed. 👍
    Bad luck to be a man then or a pig now. None of which were actually injured in the making of this epic.

  • @vongravenstein338
    @vongravenstein338 Рік тому

    Earliest handgun found is found in Estonia. It's from 14'th century and probably made in Sweden, (Area of Oetepää, Estonia, was a part of Sweden from about that time)

  • @atlantic_love
    @atlantic_love 3 місяці тому +1

    I have a very weak stomach. The only thing I can imagine myself being employed doing back then was picking fruit or sewing clothes. Cripes.

  • @SNP-1999
    @SNP-1999 Рік тому +5

    Reading a book on the military aspects of the War of the Roses, I was surprised and disappointed to find out that hardly anything is known about the battles themselves, even the major ones like Towton. The chronicles mention only wildly exaggerated strengths of armies, i.e. 200,000 men at Towton - on the Yorkist side alone! Obviously ridiculous, from these reports we also have the alleged 28,000 killed during the battle, which must honestly be taken with a massive pinch of salt.

    • @stephenhill545
      @stephenhill545 Рік тому +4

      Death toll was very high because the retinues facing each other were of local warlords who were competing at local level. It was an opportunity to wipe out the local opposition. Another factor was that the escape routes were cut off by the Lancastrian leaders, on horseback, breaking the bridge at Tadcaster. The bridge over the river behind them had been destroyed prior to the battle to stop yorkist horse attacking their rear. The foot soldiers had no line of retreat. The darkness just made it worse. They funnelled down the valley by the thousand and tried to climb the banks of the cock beck, which was in spate. It was a massacre.

    • @thehelmsfamily5397
      @thehelmsfamily5397 Рік тому +1

      Ugh idk my friend as far as I've been able to find out for myself the total number of warriors was between 60K-80K an about 28K dead. Obviously we will never know for a certainty, but does seem much more believable then some 200K

    • @alancoe1002
      @alancoe1002 Рік тому +5

      Totally agree. Towton actual numbers were probably smaller than Bosworth: logistics. Lancastrian army, in winter had just gone nearly to London, then back to York on the Great North Road. Edward follows quickly, it's still late winter, very early spring, going up the same road. Long supply train would be necessary for even an army of 10-15 thousand. Even water might be a problem, as many wells may have been dried up by the passage of the Lancastrians just before, and the climate. So he had to bring salted meat, biscuit, ale with him. Also the worst time of year to have ships augment him on the way. So no big army for Yorkists. The Lancastrians were recovering their numbers and supplies slowly. Logistics again late winter. Lancastrians 15,000, Yorkists 12, 000 more like it. The numbers of dead from the total 3 battles, smaller Ferrybrige and Dinting Dale and the main event at Towton may have reached 7,000, most killed in the retreat, as usual. May have been a lot of exposure deaths as well. We depend on the later chronicles of Hall for many of the incidents and the snowstorm and dialog. Also, he gave a wider voice for the grossly exaggerated numbers. He claimed to have seen 'the muster rolls'. Look again at the speed of the campaign. You don't get high numbers at speed. And even the King of France took years of planning to put a big army in the field. So, yeah, they push the legend to this day, based on exactly one letter written by the Kingmaker's bishop brother to a papal legate. He wanted the battle to sound apocalyptic and decisive like Cannae.
      And even with the very much smaller numbers, this battle was decisive and terrible.

    • @cuebj
      @cuebj 11 місяців тому +1

      The 28k came from systematic counting by professional heralds whose job included the counting. Depends on how their numbers came down to us, undoctored or modified. Battles with French were different as French only counted upper classes (like only counting officers in later eras)

  • @marvwatkins7029
    @marvwatkins7029 9 місяців тому +1

    Britain's deadliest battle. Almost like an English Busido Code.
    The two sides certainly did hate each other.

  • @kickinwinghotboi883
    @kickinwinghotboi883 3 місяці тому

    Whoa! I was not expecting to see the Man himself, Mr. Kevin Hicks! #thehistorysquad

  • @jacobpettes335
    @jacobpettes335 3 місяці тому

    Ha! I recognize Kevin from his channel! These UK historians must be a pretty tight circle, its not the first time ive seen somebody i recognize from youtube on one of these documentaries looking a bit younger.

  • @philipnoblethe3rd695
    @philipnoblethe3rd695 Рік тому

    Kev from The History Squad!!

  • @shadow_hillsgrandma8224
    @shadow_hillsgrandma8224 Рік тому +2

    For York and England!!

  • @justinsane7832
    @justinsane7832 2 роки тому +5

    excellent video :) I would have hated to have the name Richard Head though, being living in the states.

  • @SNP-1999
    @SNP-1999 Рік тому +5

    In the map which is presented, England stretches to the north of Scotland, as if that independent country had been actually a part of England - which it never was at any time of its history. Bad mistake there, even I as an Englishman must point out.

    • @2msvalkyrie529
      @2msvalkyrie529 Рік тому +4

      I prefer to think of it as North Britain ..! It annoys them more .

    • @johnhanson5943
      @johnhanson5943 Рік тому +1

      Northumbria went up into modern day Scotland - quite a way.

    • @cuebj
      @cuebj 11 місяців тому

      Reever country border moved a lot, don't know what it was then. Quite likely, Scots would have drawn the line south and Anglo-Norman Duke of Northumberland drew it north. Overlap and anarchy, hence fortified mini castles

  • @IOnlySmokeDaFinest
    @IOnlySmokeDaFinest 2 місяці тому +1

    Kevin Hicks! Hell ya

  • @phineascampbell3103
    @phineascampbell3103 2 місяці тому

    Hes in a field with a tree, you know it's going to be about a battle...!!

  • @catherineskis
    @catherineskis Рік тому +1

    War of The Roses? Oh, I thought that this was every year in Anaheim CA!

    • @taylorhubenthal17
      @taylorhubenthal17 6 місяців тому

      Disneyland? Alice in Wonderland?
      Painting the roses red

  • @cabba6915
    @cabba6915 Рік тому

    Molto ben fatto.

  • @b8nnytez
    @b8nnytez 2 місяці тому

    I wonder how many fell to 'friendly fire' in these battles? In all the confusion it must have happened a lot I reckon.

  • @yxx_chris_xxy
    @yxx_chris_xxy 3 місяці тому

    Bloody meadow would be a good site for a cheese rolling contest.

  • @jaredadams5194
    @jaredadams5194 Рік тому

    That early "Blunderbuss" looks mean. Imagine getting a face full of nails or gravel from a few feet away...😳😳

  • @pamavery9352
    @pamavery9352 Рік тому +2

    If there was hand to hand combat still in effect, it might curb war somewha!

    • @kenneth9874
      @kenneth9874 9 місяців тому

      An even better deterrent would be to have the heads of state in the vanguard as well

  • @ChaiTopicOfficial
    @ChaiTopicOfficial 3 місяці тому

    10:54 Kevin hicks - history squad 💝

  • @nicholasobst6892
    @nicholasobst6892 Рік тому

    Those Bodkins can Also Pierce plate if it hits straight on

  • @jaredadams5194
    @jaredadams5194 Рік тому

    That guy Kevin Hicks has some pretty interesting videos on here.

  • @tituslaronius
    @tituslaronius Рік тому

    I almost didn't recognize Kevin with his moustache :P

  • @Silly00000
    @Silly00000 3 місяці тому

    I was pretty dissapointed when they started testing the pollaxe on armor. Not only are they using flimsy armor for the testing but none of the hits to the plate would do much if any damage to the soldier and would definitely not have the ridiculous effect that they describe.
    The goal when fighting a soldier in full plate armor is to exhaust them and get them on the ground and/or stab them through the gaps in the plate. Medieval battles were more akin to wrestling and far from the common portrayal.

  • @jamesfoster3423
    @jamesfoster3423 Рік тому

    The bowyer really reminds me of the actor who plays in underworld lol

  • @fabilichusaquaman4263
    @fabilichusaquaman4263 Рік тому

    How heavy was that bow he shot at the pig? looked like a light draw weight one.

    • @cuebj
      @cuebj 11 місяців тому

      He hasn't trained from boyhood as law of land required. Hasn't got overdeveloped bones and muscles

    • @kenneth9874
      @kenneth9874 9 місяців тому

      @@cuebj bogus test then

  • @amardeep_singh_chauhan
    @amardeep_singh_chauhan Рік тому

    Is that butted mail or riveted mail

  • @ipilot320
    @ipilot320 2 місяці тому

    Expert bowman Richard Head.
    Well of course I’ll listen to his opinion.

  • @loricagardener4826
    @loricagardener4826 4 місяці тому

    Is this the Mr Hicks who does History Squad?!