I can immerse myself as any character as long as they are written well. It may sound weird but when I was a kid I felt like the arbiter, cj, and snake so yea
I honestly don't understand the issue here. I think the whole difficulty slider is hilarious and seeing people flip out about it confuses me. It's just a gag. But even beyond that I don't get the need to identify with the character you're playing as. I'm a Mexican and there's not that many Mexican characters that I know. That doesn't mean I can't feel invested in a caucasian or black character if they're well written and feel like real people. The only Mexican characters I know are bane and El fuerte and they're not really relatable or cool so whatever who cares
I agree but you can't deny that when a character in a video game is, in your case, Mexican or with a Mexican background you get all excited, which is my guess to what Woolie was making a reference to. In all fairness is probably more difficult to relate to a character for people like me who don't pertain to an "exclusive" race. My mom is Mexican with Spanish parents, my dad is Filipino with a Japanese mother and I was born in America.
MrJ1GS4W No not necessarily. I get a sense of pride watching sports seeing a Mexican team play or a Mexican player on a team I'll always root for that guy because that's where my heart is. If I play a game like fifa or something like that my first instinct is to always play as Mexico that doesn't mean I exclusively play as or only them. Sports games excluded I have a hard time finding Latino protagonists and that doesn't bother me. I don't need the character I'm playing as to represent me at all. All I need is a character to invest in and sympathize with. For example I love Nathan Drake and he's the most white bread plain mother fucker there is. I'm nothing like him but I can still enjoy his story play the games and get invested in him. You find me one Italian that can relate to Mario At the end of the day video games are insane scenarios that can never conceivably happen. Thats the fun in them. I don't need everything to relate to me. Would I like to see more Latino characters? Sure as long as they're handled correctly and feel real. Does it bother me that there aren't more? No not really I don't they should be added just for the sake of diversity
angelo luviano but that's exactly my point it doesn't bother you but it's always fun to play as a Mexican character. I like playing as Mexican, spaniards, Japanese and Americans in FIFA in FIFA but that doesn't stop me from playing as Manchester United or Dortmund. I agree with you.
I never felt like that with playing as CJ in fact, I like San Andreas more than 3 and played through it a bunch. I didn't think reactions like that existed back then for video games but then again I did go to a school where everyone wanted to be gangsta.
Funnily enough...All those "..."s that Squall has in FF8? Supposedly, those were all internal monologues he was having in the original Japanese version. For some reason though, it was all localized to just Squall not saying or thinking anything. I feel like Squall was originally supposed to be more like Hikigaya Hachiman with his internal trash talk.
I love the idea of an FF protagonist just having conceited nihilistic rants in his head for an awkward amount of time before another party member steps in.
I ran the streets as CJ. I killed as Agent 47. I got the girl as Mario. I became number 1 as RED. I was hunted down because I was Bayonetta. I was some blue furry named Sonic. I was a overweight cat named Big, I had down syndrome, I was looking for my flog. I don't need video game characters to act like me. I want to see a life from the eyes of different people with many different view points.
That's fine but your playing through "their" story. In an rpg where you create a character it's "your" story, so it's totally fair for people to be bothered that they can't make the character as close to themselves as possible without effecting gameplay.
Allan Castellon lets be fair, even South Park cant just ignore the changing tide of rewards and consequences of social commentary. the days of Richard Pryor and George Carlin are unfortunately over, those two could tell you exactly what the fuck was wrong with the world and didnt have to take a neutral stance in order to make the people who walked in the show already disagreeing with them, feel safe (not saying SP does but their maneuvering of it is masterful), Pryor wasnt gonna fuckin apologize for talkin about race and racism and Carlin wasnt gonna fuckin apologize for talkin about conservatives or religion, but when they died the people they offended decided they werent gonna be poked fun of anymore, that anyone that made commentary not from a neutral standpoint would face backlash
I'm a tall blond white guy. Outside of role-playing games with customization, I've never been able to project myself onto main characters. It feels more like I'm playing through a game that tells a story about someone else who's actually exciting. It has always felt like I'm just being told a story. Like even with Master Chief, my input into the game has always felt separate from the character I'm controlling. But that's just me :T
In that case I now have negative relation points with Nathan Drake. Cause I can't relate to that guy whatsoever. Probably because I don't tie my identity largely to my race, so him BEING white doesn't afford me any level of innate empathy. Like I played mainly as an Orc in Skyrim, I played as a black guy in Black desert. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the color of my skin doesn't affect my starting levels of empathy with any given character, so it's hard for me to subtract empathy based on that. What lets me empathize with a character is either the self-projected backstory in an RPG or sympathetic narrative elements.
Huh, are you really supposed to self insert? I'm a small asian kid with big cheeks, I never felt ANY videogame character looked like me. Actually when I first played Fallout 3 I think I just made a cool girl with green hair. The only time I actually tried to make myself was in MGSV but man I couldn't get even close, even the most basic asian male model looked waaaaaay too chad-like to resemble me
That LA Noire play through had the best joke Pat ever said. They were talking about smoking in the 40’s and Woolie goes Menthols are the brand people say black people enjoy the most. Matt goes, “I that true?” And Pat says, “I don’t know, hey Woolie do you know any black people we can ask?”
Woolie I'm a Mexican, if there are almost no people who look like you in games there are next to none that look like me, but that has never bothered me, I didn't mind playing as CJ, I didn't mind playing as Miriam from bloodstained, I didn't mind playing as Sam Fisher, hell I didn't mind playing as banjo just like most other people didn't. You can identify with someone's character, values, struggles rather than just stop at the superficial level of sex/race. BTW I think it speaks leagues of someone's character when they are playing someone who isn't their race or gender and deep down they're like "something doesn't feel right" whether they're black, white, female or male.
I agree somewhat with Woolie about the whole creating a character that looks like you. Obviously games that have set protagonists can be really good like with Mario, Lara Croft, etc. but I almost instantly skip games that don't have character creation/customization.
See that's interesting because I tend to actively count it against games that force you to play a create-a-character. One of the big reasons I hate Bethesda games (though there are many other reasons) is because everybody in them just looks like some fuckin' guy. Character creators like the one in that MM0 that Woolie and Plague did a video on are kind of fun to me, but I would never ever want to play a character that looks like me or any other normal human person. None of my Miis even look like me. I bet there's some sort of psychological facet revealed from who does and doesn't like create-a-characters.
I never had a problem plaing San Anvreas. I found it logical that every GTA had different backgrounds for protagonists. I mean - people see italian, white american and romanian - as "white guys" as if their cultures are remotely the same. But when there's black american it's an amazing diversity because color. San Andreas was always my favorite GTA and i never had a problem putting myself in black dude's shoes, even tho here in Russia it's 99.9% white people, so not only he doesn't look like me - he does not look like anyone around me or on TV (exept for western movies). If this color thing in new South Park game is really making the game harder - i maybe play as black guy, since challenge is more important for me then for main character to look like me.
I've never understood people saying they can't relate to characters who don't look like them as if that's some sort of virtue. Being unable to relate to people who don't look like you isn't a good thing! It's the mark of a bigot.
I'm sorry this is a long post, but i promise you, it's interesting and expands well on this subject. it's not really the inability to relate to people, but there is a special difference and special connection when a person has the same background as you or looks like you. This is why Spiderman is a brown haired white high school kid from New York because that's who they were aiming at. For me personally, i never really saw myself in anyone or really related to them to that same degree, they were just their own person. That is until The Raid came out. The main character of the raid looks like the people I knew in school. He looks like just some random guy, and it was then that i fully understood the meaning of the Everyman. It's not just someone who's incredibly generic, it's someone who you know, it's someone who represents your own environment in a way that is bland and generic enough to feel like they could be anybody. It's not like I couldn't see how Bruce Willis was the everyman, it's that i didn't get the full context of what that term meant. Another aspect to this is representation. There were a lot of cockney crime kitchen sink stuff out there with Eastenders and lock stock and snatch and whatever and people liked those films and shows and stuff. But then Kidulthood came out. I grew up in a neighbourhood that is very similar to what is presented in that film, and when it came out in cinema, kids lined up around the block to see it. I had never, and still have never seen lines like that outside the cinema, and this wasn't a midnight showing or anything. People were going because they had never seen their own environment and culture on screen before. This was the first film that ever really showed their stories, spoken in a language that they understood, and done in a way that is realistic. It wasn't condescending, it wasn't insulting. This was not something people were used to, and it's like they were being recognised as worthy of having their story told, and told by a person who was one of them. Part of their world. Before then, all they got was comedians taking the mick out of them. If the only representation of you in the media around you is negative or flippant, it devalues you or your culture, especially when you're young. Your story is not worth being told, and you certainly never see someone with your background ever being the hero. The impact of that can last on your personality into adulthood. You can totally say "Well they shouldn't be affected by it," And to some extent, it's a minor thing, but if you never get someone even vaguely related to you in some way showing that that kind of person can be amazing, then it's harder to believe, becuase you've never seen it, even if it is fictional. And finally everyone needs a superhero. So you have your every man, your relatable "i'm just like them" person, and your ridiculous fantasy of what you could be. It's not a necessity, but it's so much better to have that supporting environment, especially when you spent decades not having that kind of thing at all. For me personally, that's the guy from The Raid, the current Ms Marvel "Kamala Khan", and Rashid from SFV.
@@YZaiCreates my "background" is based off my personality and interests, not my skin color and what's between my legs. It just sounds like tribalistic bullshit.
@@katiebayliss9887 that's not what background means in this context. It's means the societal background you grew up in. It's not the be all and end all of who you are as a person, it's one of many aspects of how and why you engage with things the way you do. It takes a village to raise a child, as they say. How you grew up affects who you are and what can affect you.
The scale: Vampires/Asians/Gingers/other white people - Tanned greedos and Indians - Indians from India - Arabians/Oceanians/South Americans - Black people It's almost as racist as my middle earth racist chart.
At 2:40, did Woolie seriously try to say that people who aren't black can't understand the whole thing of not being able to relate to video game protagonists?
very few games have the reverse status quo of where the main protags best friend is white and the protag is black. its obviously harder to relate when the differences are literally black and white. like as white guy with brown hair i can list half the gta protags and 8 other main protags i can relate to. besides create a character and rad spencer 2.0 name a character of woolies description in video games
Yeah, I'm with Pepsi Man (great name btw). I think I'd even take it a step further by saying that if you determine how much you can relate with somebody by physical appearance first (race, hair color, physical condition, etc) and personality second, then that kinda makes you racist... or sexist, or whatever it is that's on the table.
Relating to people who look similar to you tend to be more of a thing for children through young teens. And many movies, video games, and comic books have big audiences in those demographics. We also see this a lot in Japan where we have tons of protagonists that are generic Japanese kid (maybe with some bright colored hair) and they mostly appeal to young teens who eat that stuff up because they can either relate or insert themselves into the character.
People really can be that insecure though. Have you never heard someone comment "anyone who plays as a girl (in e.g. an MMO, fighting game or as a female protag) secretly wants to be a girl"?
I'm white and I still don't get the whole self-insertion thing. When I play a game I see the character as themselves no matter how much they look like me.
I always loved the "it's suposed to be you!" part of games and then when i have all the freedom of the world im like "OKAY WHAT IS THE BLACKEST OF SKINS I CAN ADD TO THIS CHARACTER WO WILL BE FEMALE"
It's weird because I never really play games to play as myself, I like characters to be characters, not me. That's why whenever I play a Persona game, I don't WANT to get into the character''s shoe, I want to think on a personality for the character.
I think I'm pretty good at pouring myself into any character no matter how they look. Indeed, almost all my Created Characters are women because I play as women so rarely. I'm a guy, in case you were wondering. Of course, the thing is, I have so many depictions of my race and sex, I think I'm just numb to it. So I can't empathise with people who don't have what I have.
I never got that feeling of identification based on physical on the appearance of the character be it CJ,Snake, Mario, Link or wathever, even Robin from Fire Emblem where you are supposed to make the character look like you, even then i didn't get this feeling of identification people talk about... i feel like the closest i get to this feeling is more associated with the characters actions more than anything... but aside from that i think i feel mostly apathic to it....? I dunno
Difficulty Black: More random fights with cops but bonus to strength and speed. Difficulty Woman: Get paid 78% of the total reward, but gets a near endless supply of white knights to help in fights and pay for your bills. Difficulty Trans: Gain the Trap ability to surprise and confuse enemies, but often hurt yourself with emotional fits. Difficulty Ginger: Weak to Holy attacks and the sun, but can't die from anything else. Difficulty Jew: Earn more money and boost to charisma, but is randomly attacked by Muslim extremists and Neo Nazis. Difficulty Cis White Male: Basic stats and pay. Loose your current job/quest if you attack anyone who isn't a cis white male. Get randomly attacked by white knights if you wear a red hat.
It's interesting, I never had the thing of needing a character to look like me to self-insert. I got the same feeling from Vice City that I got from San Andreas. I'm white, but even as a kid there were plenty of times where I would try to make black characters in character creators. And I also tend to play as female characters if I've got the choice. I don't spend a lot of time playing as me visually, but I still have no problem identifying with the characters.
This is super interesting. I never thought about this. I'm a minority and I didn't know that you're SUPPOSED to relate with the looks of a main character.
Self insert ideals in games never made sense to me. I play female characters almost exclusively as a male and I don't try to identify as a female either. Why would you want to insert your shitty, boring self into a game full of far more interesting character potential?
i've literally never cared about the character looking like me. i have never wanted the character to look like me. and i'm a slightly-above average height white irish-canadian with an eastern european last name, brown hair that can adopt straight, curly or wavey status depending on how recently i took a shower and wore a hat. i'm the person those characters are made for, and i don't identify with ANY of them. i play terraria. i made my character midnight black with vibrant red eyes because it looks better when you wear a helmet with an open faceplate. the only reason i make a character look like me is if i'm playing a game with a limited character creator where i can only be "human of average height and skin tone" and i don't feel like playing as a girl.
so what if your an alien then? and, their basically trying to triggering me!! But screw that cause South Park, would slam me into earth and make me human again!
I dunno, I kinda felt like kerby when I played return to dreamland. Oddly enough, a character creator breaks my immersion which kills my relatability to my character. That's not even talking about third person. Books don't have this problem at all, and film, well, I don't engage with that, so I can't say. I'm not saying this isn't an issue. I'm just putting it into perspective so people don't poor their lives into an issue that looked bigger than it was. I would rather have a cure for cancer and never be able to identify with my protagonist from birth, then this issue being solved while cancer is still a problem. Or mosquitoes. Fuck mosquitoes.
I honestly never understood that thing about relating to your character through race or their looks or some shit like that, i never had a hard time getting invested in a game when it had a female pronagonist, or a black protagonist, or anything that would make the character different than me, its not about how the character looks, but about how they are written. And when it comes to character creation i never make myself, i always try to make the weirdest shit i can, because i like fun.
Are most video games really about reliability? I personally disagree, I barely even gave much thought on CJ's colour when I played him even thought I probably played hundreds of hours of GTA SA (which is a lot considering I was a child back then). But I guess for Woolie this is like the "It's ok to be white" experiment for me, you just lean back and observe how different groups of people react. Often rational people vs irrational people.
I really dont see a point to self insert, ESPECIALLY in RPGs. Your role playing. I can see why people would want to, but it's exactly what woolie said, you can play a game where your with your homies then go back to your safe life. Thats what your doing with every game. I've got a foot long beard and dress on a leather cut and jeans n shit. Closest game i got is brutal legends.
Eh. I never had that feeling of connetion or need of connection, and I generally am willing to play as any character so long as the game is good. I didn't give a fuck about San Andreas in terms of me playing as a black guy. I was like "cool, I'm a gangster in this, what can I shoot and what is the fastest way I can break the game until I know every crack and loophole that allows me to, for example, enter the airport and loot a plane when only stationed on the first island. In RPGs, sometimes I play as a black dude, or an asian girl, or hispanic, whatever, depending upon what type of character I want in something like Fallout (which I like Densel Washington, so I try to make a wasteland character based off of him or the like). I never had any concern as to what character I play, as I can never see myself as that character. I have no illusion that I am link, some fairy ass pretty boy that apparently can get all the girls despite not saying a god damn word... or tree trunk Marcus Fenix. Or overly cheesy and manly Indiana Jones or Uncharted Guy. There is no 'white guy' that I can ever see as myself, or be connected to as myself, because I have no connection with them... and connecting to someone just because they share the same skin or sex is generally petty. Even though none of them have skin or sex, because none of them are real, but whatever. In my favourite game, Resident Evil Outbreak, I generally play as either Jim or Mark, both 'Black Guys', the most, because they are the best characters that feel the best to play as. I don't care what they are, because I am not the person that gives a fuck since I have a strong disconnect between fantasy and reality, I don't give a fuck about whats between your legs or what skin tone you have, and three they aren't people. They're sprites. Who gives a shit.
The only thing I see wrong here is that slider is a bit out of date. It would be far more true if it were the nineties or earlier lol. I mean really, has woolie ever truly experienced what true oppression is like, had a difficult life cause he we black? As black male I never projected myself into the characters I have played as in video games, I always saw them as completely separate entities. Like a character in a book.
Serpentes Eaticae Camarocous did you miss the part where he artificially rediscovers that the character he plays as is supposed to be a self insert. The fact that as a black person you don't get that it's supposed to be a thing until the major is forced to be something they aren't like we are pretty much most of the time
Cameron Drew I know it is. I just wanted to be the first one to say something negative even if I don't mean it. *walks down the highway while "The lonely man" plays* I've never been first before.
Man Woolie is so good at saying the stuff that's uncomfortable.
Woolie's a really cool guy even when talking about this silly stuff.
GrandSilver his FFX run had Em all shook lol watching comedians has given him a great insight on how to deliver that social commentary
you know what i mean !
I don't care personally but then again I'm black
Replying in present day because MAN, this is still relevant.
Best SBFcast thumbnail ever.
It's hard to lie.
It would be funny if they were depicted as South Park Canadians with the heads and square hands.
I can immerse myself as any character as long as they are written well. It may sound weird but when I was a kid I felt like the arbiter, cj, and snake so yea
Not gonna lie, as a wee lad i got WAY more into the Arbiter and the Elites in general than Chief or any of the humans.
Graysett arbiter had the best lines
Arbiter?
Cj?
Snake?
Psycho Mantis?
You're that ninja…
Elites are superior to Master Chief in general. Elites are Badasses.
BROOOOTHEEEERR, IT'S BEEN TOO LONG.
So basically Woolie trying to say the hood is like the zoo
The concrete jungle baby
I love the "No Soul Mode unlocked"
Deus Umbra Idk how to unlock it lol
@@OhHeyItsMattyD pale skin red hair
It's a shame you can't pick Canadian as a race.
Andrew Byron Wouldn't that be a nationally not race ? Unless you're talking about in universe canadian?
as a Canadian as well ( I hope ) I would love this
Andrew Byron Canadian isn't a race lmao
Zueicide Sin
In the context of South Park, I respectfully beg to differ good sir.
It's really not. No one wants to be Canadian...
How can I identify with a video character? They leave the house more than I do in a month
I honestly don't understand the issue here. I think the whole difficulty slider is hilarious and seeing people flip out about it confuses me. It's just a gag.
But even beyond that I don't get the need to identify with the character you're playing as. I'm a Mexican and there's not that many Mexican characters that I know. That doesn't mean I can't feel invested in a caucasian or black character if they're well written and feel like real people. The only Mexican characters I know are bane and El fuerte and they're not really relatable or cool so whatever who cares
angelo luviano And King but he only speaks Jaguar.
Preach, hermano
I agree but you can't deny that when a character in a video game is, in your case, Mexican or with a Mexican background you get all excited, which is my guess to what Woolie was making a reference to. In all fairness is probably more difficult to relate to a character for people like me who don't pertain to an "exclusive" race. My mom is Mexican with Spanish parents, my dad is Filipino with a Japanese mother and I was born in America.
MrJ1GS4W No not necessarily. I get a sense of pride watching sports seeing a Mexican team play or a Mexican player on a team I'll always root for that guy because that's where my heart is. If I play a game like fifa or something like that my first instinct is to always play as Mexico that doesn't mean I exclusively play as or only them.
Sports games excluded I have a hard time finding Latino protagonists and that doesn't bother me. I don't need the character I'm playing as to represent me at all. All I need is a character to invest in and sympathize with. For example I love Nathan Drake and he's the most white bread plain mother fucker there is. I'm nothing like him but I can still enjoy his story play the games and get invested in him. You find me one Italian that can relate to Mario
At the end of the day video games are insane scenarios that can never conceivably happen. Thats the fun in them. I don't need everything to relate to me. Would I like to see more Latino characters? Sure as long as they're handled correctly and feel real. Does it bother me that there aren't more? No not really I don't they should be added just for the sake of diversity
angelo luviano but that's exactly my point it doesn't bother you but it's always fun to play as a Mexican character. I like playing as Mexican, spaniards, Japanese and Americans in FIFA in FIFA but that doesn't stop me from playing as Manchester United or Dortmund. I agree with you.
angelo luviano Because people have gone off the rails with Political Correctness.
I never felt like that with playing as CJ in fact, I like San Andreas more than 3 and played through it a bunch. I didn't think reactions like that existed back then for video games but then again I did go to a school where everyone wanted to be gangsta.
Funnily enough...All those "..."s that Squall has in FF8?
Supposedly, those were all internal monologues he was having in the original Japanese version.
For some reason though, it was all localized to just Squall not saying or thinking anything.
I feel like Squall was originally supposed to be more like Hikigaya Hachiman with his internal trash talk.
Unbound King I named him "Leon"
I love the idea of an FF protagonist just having conceited nihilistic rants in his head for an awkward amount of time before another party member steps in.
@Heavy Metal Collector you sound like virgin. No one cares
"I'm gonna end up with ____ hair..."
Gosh Pat I hate to disappoint you but...
Why did you censor the word black?
Oh, so that's why everyone freaked out over Samus in the 80s.
I never noticed the cancel button is labeled "Back Down" that's a nice touch
I ran the streets as CJ.
I killed as Agent 47.
I got the girl as Mario.
I became number 1 as RED.
I was hunted down because I was Bayonetta.
I was some blue furry named Sonic.
I was a overweight cat named Big, I had down syndrome, I was looking for my flog.
I don't need video game characters to act like me. I want to see a life from the eyes of different people with many different view points.
That's fine but your playing through "their" story. In an rpg where you create a character it's "your" story, so it's totally fair for people to be bothered that they can't make the character as close to themselves as possible without effecting gameplay.
This joke was both fucking hilarious and also kinda sad which is perfect for South Park!
South Park always gave us social commentary without preaching, it was always more than just shit jokes and it's great to see they haven't lost touch
and the world continues to turn.
manticorephoenix South park isn't preachy because it never actually commits to anything lol
Allan Castellon
lets be fair, even South Park cant just ignore the changing tide of rewards and consequences of social commentary.
the days of Richard Pryor and George Carlin are unfortunately over, those two could tell you exactly what the fuck was wrong with the world and didnt have to take a neutral stance in order to make the people who walked in the show already disagreeing with them, feel safe (not saying SP does but their maneuvering of it is masterful), Pryor wasnt gonna fuckin apologize for talkin about race and racism and Carlin wasnt gonna fuckin apologize for talkin about conservatives or religion, but when they died the people they offended decided they werent gonna be poked fun of anymore, that anyone that made commentary not from a neutral standpoint would face backlash
I love how Pat just slowly but surely starts cracking the fuck up as Woolie talks about the slider
This is actually some interesting shit.
I'm a tall blond white guy. Outside of role-playing games with customization, I've never been able to project myself onto main characters. It feels more like I'm playing through a game that tells a story about someone else who's actually exciting. It has always felt like I'm just being told a story. Like even with Master Chief, my input into the game has always felt separate from the character I'm controlling. But that's just me :T
same
now image that but you relate even less, thats woolie.
In that case I now have negative relation points with Nathan Drake. Cause I can't relate to that guy whatsoever. Probably because I don't tie my identity largely to my race, so him BEING white doesn't afford me any level of innate empathy. Like I played mainly as an Orc in Skyrim, I played as a black guy in Black desert.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that the color of my skin doesn't affect my starting levels of empathy with any given character, so it's hard for me to subtract empathy based on that. What lets me empathize with a character is either the self-projected backstory in an RPG or sympathetic narrative elements.
*Tropical Psychosis* Exactly. The color of someones skin doesn’t make me like or dislike them
Huh, are you really supposed to self insert? I'm a small asian kid with big cheeks, I never felt ANY videogame character looked like me. Actually when I first played Fallout 3 I think I just made a cool girl with green hair. The only time I actually tried to make myself was in MGSV but man I couldn't get even close, even the most basic asian male model looked waaaaaay too chad-like to resemble me
After the best friends break up we never found out that woolies black..
That LA Noire play through had the best joke Pat ever said.
They were talking about smoking in the 40’s and Woolie goes Menthols are the brand people say black people enjoy the most. Matt goes, “I that true?”
And Pat says, “I don’t know, hey Woolie do you know any black people we can ask?”
Fuck man... Wish I was in the internet when these guys we're still a thing... They are hilarious
Woolie's the realest
What Woolie says about growing up with South Park is spot on.
Woolie I'm a Mexican, if there are almost no people who look like you in games there are next to none that look like me, but that has never bothered me, I didn't mind playing as CJ, I didn't mind playing as Miriam from bloodstained, I didn't mind playing as Sam Fisher, hell I didn't mind playing as banjo just like most other people didn't. You can identify with someone's character, values, struggles rather than just stop at the superficial level of sex/race. BTW I think it speaks leagues of someone's character when they are playing someone who isn't their race or gender and deep down they're like "something doesn't feel right" whether they're black, white, female or male.
Duh.
when I was getting my massage the woman was like "wow you have such translucent skin" and it caused a sudden realization I am beyond white.
7:12 THE FUCKING CAR WON'T START!
7:13 I think a car alarm went off
social commentary gag that stirred up some nasty feelings among people, i see south park has still got it alright👏
Funnier over time... Crazy Talk must be stopped.
All I took away from this is that Pat is turning into a leprechaun.
What about Spyro Crash Sonic and Fox then?
I'm enjoying playing my strong independent black women on Mastermind its marvelous.
This is just funny and I can't wait to play the game.
Do they know that the color of your skin doesn't effect the difficulty in the game?
I agree somewhat with Woolie about the whole creating a character that looks like you. Obviously games that have set protagonists can be really good like with Mario, Lara Croft, etc. but I almost instantly skip games that don't have character creation/customization.
See that's interesting because I tend to actively count it against games that force you to play a create-a-character. One of the big reasons I hate Bethesda games (though there are many other reasons) is because everybody in them just looks like some fuckin' guy. Character creators like the one in that MM0 that Woolie and Plague did a video on are kind of fun to me, but I would never ever want to play a character that looks like me or any other normal human person. None of my Miis even look like me. I bet there's some sort of psychological facet revealed from who does and doesn't like create-a-characters.
How come they aren’t playing this?
actually cartman says sometimes. that this will not affect the games diffuctly just. only other every aspect of your life
your thumbnail is so amazing!!!
South Park continues to own. Comment sections, not so much
^ya you got a point!
I feel like going on a 20 page tirade about this but i'm too exhausted from playing persona and have homework to do tomorrow.
I love the reboot logo on your character
I never had a problem plaing San Anvreas. I found it logical that every GTA had different backgrounds for protagonists. I mean - people see italian, white american and romanian - as "white guys" as if their cultures are remotely the same. But when there's black american it's an amazing diversity because color.
San Andreas was always my favorite GTA and i never had a problem putting myself in black dude's shoes, even tho here in Russia it's 99.9% white people, so not only he doesn't look like me - he does not look like anyone around me or on TV (exept for western movies).
If this color thing in new South Park game is really making the game harder - i maybe play as black guy, since challenge is more important for me then for main character to look like me.
Yea, im a blonde in my 30s and my beard now have every different hair shade in it now.
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Holy shit 🤣
I've never understood people saying they can't relate to characters who don't look like them as if that's some sort of virtue. Being unable to relate to people who don't look like you isn't a good thing! It's the mark of a bigot.
I'm sorry this is a long post, but i promise you, it's interesting and expands well on this subject.
it's not really the inability to relate to people, but there is a special difference and special connection when a person has the same background as you or looks like you. This is why Spiderman is a brown haired white high school kid from New York because that's who they were aiming at.
For me personally, i never really saw myself in anyone or really related to them to that same degree, they were just their own person. That is until The Raid came out. The main character of the raid looks like the people I knew in school. He looks like just some random guy, and it was then that i fully understood the meaning of the Everyman. It's not just someone who's incredibly generic, it's someone who you know, it's someone who represents your own environment in a way that is bland and generic enough to feel like they could be anybody. It's not like I couldn't see how Bruce Willis was the everyman, it's that i didn't get the full context of what that term meant.
Another aspect to this is representation. There were a lot of cockney crime kitchen sink stuff out there with Eastenders and lock stock and snatch and whatever and people liked those films and shows and stuff. But then Kidulthood came out.
I grew up in a neighbourhood that is very similar to what is presented in that film, and when it came out in cinema, kids lined up around the block to see it. I had never, and still have never seen lines like that outside the cinema, and this wasn't a midnight showing or anything. People were going because they had never seen their own environment and culture on screen before. This was the first film that ever really showed their stories, spoken in a language that they understood, and done in a way that is realistic. It wasn't condescending, it wasn't insulting. This was not something people were used to, and it's like they were being recognised as worthy of having their story told, and told by a person who was one of them. Part of their world. Before then, all they got was comedians taking the mick out of them.
If the only representation of you in the media around you is negative or flippant, it devalues you or your culture, especially when you're young. Your story is not worth being told, and you certainly never see someone with your background ever being the hero. The impact of that can last on your personality into adulthood. You can totally say "Well they shouldn't be affected by it," And to some extent, it's a minor thing, but if you never get someone even vaguely related to you in some way showing that that kind of person can be amazing, then it's harder to believe, becuase you've never seen it, even if it is fictional.
And finally everyone needs a superhero. So you have your every man, your relatable "i'm just like them" person, and your ridiculous fantasy of what you could be. It's not a necessity, but it's so much better to have that supporting environment, especially when you spent decades not having that kind of thing at all. For me personally, that's the guy from The Raid, the current Ms Marvel "Kamala Khan", and Rashid from SFV.
@@YZaiCreates my "background" is based off my personality and interests, not my skin color and what's between my legs. It just sounds like tribalistic bullshit.
@@katiebayliss9887 that's not what background means in this context. It's means the societal background you grew up in. It's not the be all and end all of who you are as a person, it's one of many aspects of how and why you engage with things the way you do.
It takes a village to raise a child, as they say.
How you grew up affects who you are and what can affect you.
@@YZaiCreates thank ra I dont like spiderman them
The funny thing is that Kenny has it 10 times worse than token
Wow.
Funny af😂😂😂
xD the funniest on point shit ever
I ended up making CJ more relatable by giving him sun glasses and the pink Mohawk
Idk why but i find pats character hilarious
I was never in any danger at all
I love Woolie soooooo much
I agree with Woolie.
If it wasn't south park I'd say that's fucked up i mean that it's more
The scale:
Vampires/Asians/Gingers/other white people - Tanned greedos and Indians - Indians from India - Arabians/Oceanians/South Americans - Black people
It's almost as racist as my middle earth racist chart.
At 2:40, did Woolie seriously try to say that people who aren't black can't understand the whole thing of not being able to relate to video game protagonists?
very few games have the reverse status quo of where the main protags best friend is white and the protag is black. its obviously harder to relate when the differences are literally black and white. like as white guy with brown hair i can list half the gta protags and 8 other main protags i can relate to. besides create a character and rad spencer 2.0 name a character of woolies description in video games
If you can only relate to characters that are the same skin color as you then the problem is probably with you.
He said that it's easier to relate to a fictional character when they're similar to you.
Yeah, I'm with Pepsi Man (great name btw). I think I'd even take it a step further by saying that if you determine how much you can relate with somebody by physical appearance first (race, hair color, physical condition, etc) and personality second, then that kinda makes you racist... or sexist, or whatever it is that's on the table.
Relating to people who look similar to you tend to be more of a thing for children through young teens. And many movies, video games, and comic books have big audiences in those demographics. We also see this a lot in Japan where we have tons of protagonists that are generic Japanese kid (maybe with some bright colored hair) and they mostly appeal to young teens who eat that stuff up because they can either relate or insert themselves into the character.
Did people not want to play Beyond Good and Evil because they didn't want to be a woman, then?
I mean, it didn't sell well, so...
People really can be that insecure though. Have you never heard someone comment "anyone who plays as a girl (in e.g. an MMO, fighting game or as a female protag) secretly wants to be a girl"?
I don't know about Beyond Good and Evil, but I played Metroid Prime 1 and 2 a bunch knowing Samus was a girl through her N64 Smash ending.
How much did Woolie like Skull Girls?
LieutenantAmerica
That's because David Cage is a hack writer that makes bad games, not because of 'muh female protagonist'
I'm white and I still don't get the whole self-insertion thing. When I play a game I see the character as themselves no matter how much they look like me.
I always loved the "it's suposed to be you!" part of games and then when i have all the freedom of the world im like "OKAY WHAT IS THE BLACKEST OF SKINS I CAN ADD TO THIS CHARACTER WO WILL BE FEMALE"
It's weird because I never really play games to play as myself, I like characters to be characters, not me.
That's why whenever I play a Persona game, I don't WANT to get into the character''s shoe, I want to think on a personality for the character.
I think I'm pretty good at pouring myself into any character no matter how they look.
Indeed, almost all my Created Characters are women because I play as women so rarely.
I'm a guy, in case you were wondering.
Of course, the thing is, I have so many depictions of my race and sex, I think I'm just numb to it. So I can't empathise with people who don't have what I have.
I never really gave a rat's ass about character creation in games
I never got that feeling of identification based on physical on the appearance of the character be it CJ,Snake, Mario, Link or wathever, even Robin from Fire Emblem where you are supposed to make the character look like you, even then i didn't get this feeling of identification people talk about... i feel like the closest i get to this feeling is more associated with the characters actions more than anything... but aside from that i think i feel mostly apathic to it....? I dunno
i feel you bro
If it's just a joke then it's fine but it'd be a pain in my ass if I had had to play on very difficult.
But you don't have to.
I always thought i was Rico Rodriguez, even thought im not mexican, but hey, latinos are all the same imma right?
I'm supposed to feel like the main character? but... i'm a woman... how?
Difficulty Black: More random fights with cops but bonus to strength and speed.
Difficulty Woman: Get paid 78% of the total reward, but gets a near endless supply of white knights to help in fights and pay for your bills.
Difficulty Trans: Gain the Trap ability to surprise and confuse enemies, but often hurt yourself with emotional fits.
Difficulty Ginger: Weak to Holy attacks and the sun, but can't die from anything else.
Difficulty Jew: Earn more money and boost to charisma, but is randomly attacked by Muslim extremists and Neo Nazis.
Difficulty Cis White Male: Basic stats and pay. Loose your current job/quest if you attack anyone who isn't a cis white male. Get randomly attacked by white knights if you wear a red hat.
Key Strix Now I want this lol
Gayy
Shouldn't woolie's character be the one on the left?
It's interesting, I never had the thing of needing a character to look like me to self-insert. I got the same feeling from Vice City that I got from San Andreas. I'm white, but even as a kid there were plenty of times where I would try to make black characters in character creators. And I also tend to play as female characters if I've got the choice. I don't spend a lot of time playing as me visually, but I still have no problem identifying with the characters.
I play video games to get away from my live not to experience what I deal with everyday.P.s. I'm black.
This is super interesting. I never thought about this. I'm a minority and I didn't know that you're SUPPOSED to relate with the looks of a main character.
Remember, you're only allowed to relate to characters who share your skin color. If you treat people the same regardless of race, you're a racist. /s
You know what I mean
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Self insert ideals in games never made sense to me. I play female characters almost exclusively as a male and I don't try to identify as a female either. Why would you want to insert your shitty, boring self into a game full of far more interesting character potential?
Somebody hates themselves.
The fun thing is it doesn't really change anything in the actual game, so the implication is...
Alseid Your choices mean jack shit. And/or appearance doesn't matter
i've literally never cared about the character looking like me. i have never wanted the character to look like me. and i'm a slightly-above average height white irish-canadian with an eastern european last name, brown hair that can adopt straight, curly or wavey status depending on how recently i took a shower and wore a hat. i'm the person those characters are made for, and i don't identify with ANY of them.
i play terraria. i made my character midnight black with vibrant red eyes because it looks better when you wear a helmet with an open faceplate. the only reason i make a character look like me is if i'm playing a game with a limited character creator where i can only be "human of average height and skin tone" and i don't feel like playing as a girl.
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Thanks for the fucking spoilers
so what if your an alien then? and, their basically trying to triggering me!! But screw that cause South Park, would slam me into earth and make me human again!
I dunno, I kinda felt like kerby when I played return to dreamland. Oddly enough, a character creator breaks my immersion which kills my relatability to my character. That's not even talking about third person. Books don't have this problem at all, and film, well, I don't engage with that, so I can't say. I'm not saying this isn't an issue. I'm just putting it into perspective so people don't poor their lives into an issue that looked bigger than it was. I would rather have a cure for cancer and never be able to identify with my protagonist from birth, then this issue being solved while cancer is still a problem. Or mosquitoes. Fuck mosquitoes.
I honestly never understood that thing about relating to your character through race or their looks or some shit like that, i never had a hard time getting invested in a game when it had a female pronagonist, or a black protagonist, or anything that would make the character different than me, its not about how the character looks, but about how they are written.
And when it comes to character creation i never make myself, i always try to make the weirdest shit i can, because i like fun.
Are most video games really about reliability? I personally disagree, I barely even gave much thought on CJ's colour when I played him even thought I probably played hundreds of hours of GTA SA (which is a lot considering I was a child back then).
But I guess for Woolie this is like the "It's ok to be white" experiment for me, you just lean back and observe how different groups of people react. Often rational people vs irrational people.
I really dont see a point to self insert, ESPECIALLY in RPGs. Your role playing. I can see why people would want to, but it's exactly what woolie said, you can play a game where your with your homies then go back to your safe life. Thats what your doing with every game.
I've got a foot long beard and dress on a leather cut and jeans n shit. Closest game i got is brutal legends.
I've never had that physical identification with a character since America thinks black people are all dark
Eh. I never had that feeling of connetion or need of connection, and I generally am willing to play as any character so long as the game is good.
I didn't give a fuck about San Andreas in terms of me playing as a black guy. I was like "cool, I'm a gangster in this, what can I shoot and what is the fastest way I can break the game until I know every crack and loophole that allows me to, for example, enter the airport and loot a plane when only stationed on the first island.
In RPGs, sometimes I play as a black dude, or an asian girl, or hispanic, whatever, depending upon what type of character I want in something like Fallout (which I like Densel Washington, so I try to make a wasteland character based off of him or the like).
I never had any concern as to what character I play, as I can never see myself as that character. I have no illusion that I am link, some fairy ass pretty boy that apparently can get all the girls despite not saying a god damn word... or tree trunk Marcus Fenix. Or overly cheesy and manly Indiana Jones or Uncharted Guy. There is no 'white guy' that I can ever see as myself, or be connected to as myself, because I have no connection with them... and connecting to someone just because they share the same skin or sex is generally petty. Even though none of them have skin or sex, because none of them are real, but whatever.
In my favourite game, Resident Evil Outbreak, I generally play as either Jim or Mark, both 'Black Guys', the most, because they are the best characters that feel the best to play as. I don't care what they are, because I am not the person that gives a fuck since I have a strong disconnect between fantasy and reality, I don't give a fuck about whats between your legs or what skin tone you have, and three they aren't people. They're sprites. Who gives a shit.
I’m just waiting on the groups of people that are going to say this is racist... ( FYI I’m not racist, this is just South Park satire)
The only thing I see wrong here is that slider is a bit out of date. It would be far more true if it were the nineties or earlier lol. I mean really, has woolie ever truly experienced what true oppression is like, had a difficult life cause he we black? As black male I never projected myself into the characters I have played as in video games, I always saw them as completely separate entities. Like a character in a book.
Serpentes Eaticae Camarocous did you miss the part where he artificially rediscovers that the character he plays as is supposed to be a self insert. The fact that as a black person you don't get that it's supposed to be a thing until the major is forced to be something they aren't like we are pretty much most of the time
Captain Rish he’s not black lol
I'm white and I fuckin loved san andreas.
I think this is bullshit.
Why's that?
It's a joke.
Cameron Drew I know it is. I just wanted to be the first one to say something negative even if I don't mean it. *walks down the highway while "The lonely man" plays* I've never been first before.
KublaiGenghis is this applicable to South Africa?
I am bullshit.
So the darker your skin tone, the more hostile the world is to you? That sounds about right.
really activates my almonds