Hi mate. Thanks for the great advice you give. I will be switching to these two lines . I really value your advice . Thank you so very much. All the best from Moe town. In Gippsland..
Very informative Starlo, good to hear your views and rationale. Much appreciated! In terms of finesse braid, I moved to FINS 40G some time ago for 8 to 10lb as I can pack a lot onto a 1000 Stradic for the estuary sorties. Each to their own as they say, but I might go and try a spool of Kairiki next spoolup. Keep the vids coming 😃
I used quite a lot of FINS a fair few years ago and really liked it, although I did get one spool from a “bad batch” or whatever that was a bit of a nightmare. But I suspect that can happen with any brand or line.
I´m a toolmaker and can tell you, that a micrometer is constructed to measure correct with a pressure of 1 kilo at 20 degrees Celsius. Good informativ video on Shimano braid 👍
Good to know! I suspect a kilo of pressure would slightly flatten most braids and produce a "thinner" reading... interesting! Glad you enjoyed the vid'.
@@StarloGetsReel All strands of different fishing lines are extruded. A proces where the warm fluid material is pressed through a hole and cooled instantly, and rolled up on a spool. I believe it is the size of the extruding hole which is printed on reel label. If you meausure the line with a micrometer or a caliper, you will always get a smaller diameter according to the pressure you measure with. And if you measure the same line different places, you will most likely get different readings. Things are not always as they seem to be 🤣
@@ingvardpedersen1573 true enough with single (mono) strand lines, but braids are not extruded. They are woven or braided from multiple fine strands of polyethylene.
Thanks Starlo, I've been using Kairiki braid for my trout fishing & love it. Now there's Kairiki plus it can only be a good thing 🤞, look forward to trying it out 👍.
Hi Starlo, I use Daiwa Expedition braid and J-braid. Since using over two years, can’t remember having tangles. That said I’m very conscious of line management and wind first few metres back after each cast under tension. No method to my madness, just experimenting, but like using for my Flathead fishing Shimano leader Ocea in 10lb. Like it’s abrasion resistance and its suppleness. Stay well Starlo, sorry can’t afford to shout you a beer, can wish you tight lines though.
Hey Starlo .. thanks for the heads up re the new Shimano braid .. I’ve used Daiwa Expedition for the last 12 months or so .. find line management a bit of an issue in the wind .. but notice the braid can separate a little ..still seems strong but looks a bit disconcerting.. otherwise a great line … might try this new Shimano stuff .. cheers Steve (die hard Daiwa tragic )
Glad to find out the difference between the two karaoke braids(not a spelling mistake that's what I call lol..)as the original did fluff up but much better when they went to the VT method, so yeah worth having a go👍🏻if I don't like it just go back to Sunline, do like the Power Pro on my bait runners hunting the "ghost of the estuary" FYI great book too..Shadowing the ghost of the estuary! thought I'd throw the book out there so many others can catch the disease🤣
Hey Starlo have you head of the line laboratory, they are really good for line research and they do all of the tests that manafacturers do plus some extras
Hey Starlo. I read a review you did on WTF Gliss braid. And I've used it ever since. But now it's not sold in aus. Or even hard to find online. Any recommendations on what's as close to gliss on the current market.
Yes, I was really impressed by that GLISS when I first used it, buy jeez it wore out and weakened quickly! Such a shame. I also haven't been able to find it again since. Have a look at this new Kairiki+ as a possible alternative. Not QUITE as fine, but a good deal more durable, in my experience.
Yep. An overhand or granny knot just about halves the breaking strain of most lines, so probably brings many braids down closer to their stated strength, as shown on the spool. And while a lot of us have known this for many years, you'd probably be surprised how many people DON'T know.
Hey Starlo, top notch video. Can i ask if you have any tips for removing old line from a reel and disposing it. I find it to be a tiresome job and end up with a tangled mess. Also not sure if its ok to just out it in the bin like that
Good questions! When my kids were young I'd give them pocket money to do it, but they grew out of that! Nothing for it but to do it by hand myself now. Once it's all off, coil it up then cut both ends/sides of the coil. Turns it into thousands of short lengths. Much less likely to ensnare birds or whatever at the landfill site. It MAY also be possible to get it re-cycled through operations like Rig Recycle. I'll try to find out.
Big fan of Power Pro myself. Sad I can no longer find it in the 6lb or 8lb in the moonshine colour (glow under black light) locally. So abrasive resistant and really does outlast so many other braids. Will have to give Kariki 8+ a try on the next re-spool.
Great timing Steve. I recently bought a competitors super slick braid, and now I find that my FG is slipping off the mono after a dozen or so casts, when light shore jigging. And I'm pretty sure that the coating is to blame, because I've never had the problem before and I've noticed that it is sometimes slipping when cinching the knot. How many casts are other people doing before retying their leaders ??
Wow! That's interesting. How many turns/wraps are you doing in your FG? I usually do either 20 or 22 and, in answer to your question, I've fished multiple days with the same leader connection.
@StarloGetsReel Twenty wraps usually. The knot is still formed, just the mono gone. I suppose that I could just keep that line for backing and buy some Shimano line for the working end. Thanks for the info.
No, it doesn’t. But in my opinion, any knot that requires the use of A) glue, B) heat to melt the tag end or C) the use of some sort of tool to tie it… simply isn’t a good knot. Just my opinion, but it’s a strongly held one. 😉
Great video Steve! I tried the Kairiki but I had terrible issues with it fraying, I ended up trying Toray and have been very happy with it since. Was that an issue you've seen with the Kairiki?
No, can't say that's been an issue I've encountered. It does wear, fade and eventually weaken with a LOT of use, but that takes a fair while to happen.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with making a broad sweeping and subjective statement like that so long as you add the words "in my opinion"... because everyone is entitled to an opinion... even me. And I'd have to disagree with you in most situations. But each to their own.
@@StarloGetsReel Wash fishing, where you're tying one strong knot directly to the hook with a pea sized sinker running down to the knot, mono has no equal based on my experience, results and observations of other gun 'pig' fishermen. Platypus Lo=stretch is an interesting Aussie mono and fishes very well (for those who don't wish to convert to braid but want a direct feel in a mono).
@@franksaunders6534 yep, that's a good way to go, although I do all my pig fishing in the wash these days with braid. I love the contact. But plenty of very good pig fishers prefer mono. Each to their own.
@@devoker666 Good luck pig fishing, mate, you can keep your expensive braid. Mono wins every time. Case of knowing your applications and what you as an angler are capable of doing. Plenty of top anglers used mono when braid was non-existent and went ultra light with ultra light lures. They worked with whet they had and got the job done.
I believe the standard pound measure is the fg knot strength. The real breaking strength is normally above. UA-cam channel line laboratory does good job measuring it. Feel like the Japanese are more honest about line diameter
It amuses me when a spool of line shows what “poundage” the line is then the length in meters….now with Kairiki it shows the poundage of the line and the breaking strength in kilograms…..MY HEAD IS SPINNING….LOL!
Yep, they've got it all going on! Aussie anglers are nothing if not eclectic (or maybe just mixed up!). We rig an 80 mm soft plastic on a 1/4 ounce jig head attached to a rod length of three kilo fluorocarbon leader, connected to 6 pound braid, cast it a country mile and land a 50 cm fish that's gotta weigh at least three pounds!
Yep, I've used a fair bit of FC Rock in the past, and I like it, although these days I use the Ocea FC for most of my leader work - seems pretty similar in performance.
@@StarloGetsReel I like and share often, I'm setting up an drone fishing rig I figure I'll need a 1500y spool of 80lb power pro who would stock something like that?
I was indeed! It was one of the early ones, from memory. Later on we also did a Squidgy braid for a while, out of the same factory. I also used a lot of the old original Spiderwire, which was pretty rough by today's standards, but I caught plenty of fish on it. There was also a REALLY early braid (maybe a Berkley product?) that had a mono core. Pretty thick, but talk about tough! I used it on a charter boat on the outer Great Barrier Reef and every time I hooked a big fish it would chop straight through everyone else's whipper-snipper nylon! The rest of the crew nicknamed me "Chainsaw" and no one wanted to fish too close to me!
Love your content but seriously, Shimano marketing team at their best. Breaking strain in lbs BUT average actual in Kg - why not list both measurements in the same value??
Hi mate.
Thanks for the great advice you give. I will be switching to these two lines . I really value your advice .
Thank you so very much.
All the best from Moe town. In Gippsland..
Thank YOU! Glad you like the content.
Great job Starlo 👍
Thanks! 👍
Very informative Starlo, good to hear your views and rationale. Much appreciated! In terms of finesse braid, I moved to FINS 40G some time ago for 8 to 10lb as I can pack a lot onto a 1000 Stradic for the estuary sorties. Each to their own as they say, but I might go and try a spool of Kairiki next spoolup. Keep the vids coming 😃
I used quite a lot of FINS a fair few years ago and really liked it, although I did get one spool from a “bad batch” or whatever that was a bit of a nightmare. But I suspect that can happen with any brand or line.
@StarloGetsReel Absolutely fair call. There are some that feel like Whipper Snipper cord out there 🤣
I´m a toolmaker and can tell you, that a micrometer is constructed to measure correct with a pressure of 1 kilo at 20 degrees Celsius. Good informativ video on Shimano braid 👍
A micrometer has a little click tension knob on the end of the spindle.
Good to know! I suspect a kilo of pressure would slightly flatten most braids and produce a "thinner" reading... interesting! Glad you enjoyed the vid'.
@@StarloGetsReel All strands of different fishing lines are extruded. A proces where the warm fluid material is pressed through a hole and cooled instantly, and rolled up on a spool. I believe it is the size of the extruding hole which is printed on reel label. If you meausure the line with a micrometer or a caliper, you will always get a smaller diameter according to the pressure you measure with. And if you measure the same line different places, you will most likely get different readings. Things are not always as they seem to be 🤣
@@ingvardpedersen1573 true enough with single (mono) strand lines, but braids are not extruded. They are woven or braided from multiple fine strands of polyethylene.
@@StarloGetsReelI think I missed something here. I didn't "hear' "micrometer" at all. Surely they measure line thickness using a micrscope
Thanks Starlo, I've been using Kairiki braid for my trout fishing & love it. Now there's Kairiki plus it can only be a good thing 🤞, look forward to trying it out 👍.
Great to hear!
Lotsa great info Starlo. Cheers🍻
@@aussienebula8331 cheers! Glad you liked it.
Hi Starlo, I use Daiwa Expedition braid and J-braid. Since using over two years, can’t remember having tangles. That said I’m very conscious of line management and wind first few metres back after each cast under tension. No method to my madness, just experimenting, but like using for my Flathead fishing Shimano leader Ocea in 10lb. Like it’s abrasion resistance and its suppleness. Stay well Starlo, sorry can’t afford to shout you a beer, can wish you tight lines though.
All good mate! Cheers.
Hey Starlo .. thanks for the heads up re the new Shimano braid .. I’ve used Daiwa Expedition for the last 12 months or so .. find line management a bit of an issue in the wind .. but notice the braid can separate a little ..still seems strong but looks a bit disconcerting.. otherwise a great line … might try this new Shimano stuff .. cheers Steve (die hard Daiwa tragic )
@@saratoga1956 👍
Perfect timing got 3 reels need to spool up with new braid
Nice! Give that Kairiki+ a run and let me know what you think.
I will have to get some of that braid. I like the Shimano mono as a leader but will give the new braid a try.
It's good stuff.
Glad to find out the difference between the two karaoke braids(not a spelling mistake that's what I call lol..)as the original did fluff up but much better when they went to the VT method, so yeah worth having a go👍🏻if I don't like it just go back to Sunline, do like the Power Pro on my bait runners hunting the "ghost of the estuary" FYI great book too..Shadowing the ghost of the estuary! thought I'd throw the book out there so many others can catch the disease🤣
For sure!
Hey Starlo have you head of the line laboratory, they are really good for line research and they do all of the tests that manafacturers do plus some extras
Sounds good! I'll check them out.
Interesting Starlo. I think I am old school I just use Berkley 20lb Big Game mono and a 50 or 60lb fluorocarbon leader. It catches fish 😊🐠
For sure!
Hey Starlo. I read a review you did on WTF Gliss braid. And I've used it ever since. But now it's not sold in aus. Or even hard to find online. Any recommendations on what's as close to gliss on the current market.
Yes, I was really impressed by that GLISS when I first used it, buy jeez it wore out and weakened quickly! Such a shame. I also haven't been able to find it again since. Have a look at this new Kairiki+ as a possible alternative. Not QUITE as fine, but a good deal more durable, in my experience.
What happened to Gliss? I loved that line and can you explain low stretch fly line. I want a low stretch cold water fly line. Love your show
Yes, Gliss seems to have gone the way of the do-do. It was great, but didn't wear well.
We have known for many years that braided fishing is underrated. You can tie a granny knot and still have the stated breaking strain.
Yep. An overhand or granny knot just about halves the breaking strain of most lines, so probably brings many braids down closer to their stated strength, as shown on the spool. And while a lot of us have known this for many years, you'd probably be surprised how many people DON'T know.
Hey Starlo, top notch video. Can i ask if you have any tips for removing old line from a reel and disposing it. I find it to be a tiresome job and end up with a tangled mess. Also not sure if its ok to just out it in the bin like that
Good questions! When my kids were young I'd give them pocket money to do it, but they grew out of that! Nothing for it but to do it by hand myself now. Once it's all off, coil it up then cut both ends/sides of the coil. Turns it into thousands of short lengths. Much less likely to ensnare birds or whatever at the landfill site. It MAY also be possible to get it re-cycled through operations like Rig Recycle. I'll try to find out.
Big fan of Power Pro myself.
Sad I can no longer find it in the 6lb or 8lb in the moonshine colour (glow under black light) locally.
So abrasive resistant and really does outlast so many other braids.
Will have to give Kariki 8+ a try on the next re-spool.
Good to hear!
Great timing Steve.
I recently bought a competitors super slick braid, and now I find that my FG is slipping off the mono after a dozen or so casts, when light shore jigging.
And I'm pretty sure that the coating is to blame, because I've never had the problem before and I've noticed that it is sometimes slipping when cinching the knot.
How many casts are other people doing before retying their leaders ??
Wow! That's interesting. How many turns/wraps are you doing in your FG? I usually do either 20 or 22 and, in answer to your question, I've fished multiple days with the same leader connection.
@StarloGetsReel Twenty wraps usually.
The knot is still formed, just the mono gone.
I suppose that I could just keep that line for backing and buy some Shimano line for the working end.
Thanks for the info.
Put a drop or two of Super Glue on the Knots, and don't tell me it dissolves or effects line.
No, it doesn’t. But in my opinion, any knot that requires the use of A) glue, B) heat to melt the tag end or C) the use of some sort of tool to tie it… simply isn’t a good knot. Just my opinion, but it’s a strongly held one. 😉
Great video Steve! I tried the Kairiki but I had terrible issues with it fraying, I ended up trying Toray and have been very happy with it since. Was that an issue you've seen with the Kairiki?
No, can't say that's been an issue I've encountered. It does wear, fade and eventually weaken with a LOT of use, but that takes a fair while to happen.
hi starlo, please do a show on tying knots between braid and momo? i know this may seem poimtless! but i cant trust those other youtube vids!
I'll try!
@@StarloGetsReel thamk you. we followyour videos here in kwa zulu natal in sunny south africa we on the east coast of S.A.
Hi. The best line is still mono.👍
There's absolutely nothing wrong with making a broad sweeping and subjective statement like that so long as you add the words "in my opinion"... because everyone is entitled to an opinion... even me. And I'd have to disagree with you in most situations. But each to their own.
@@StarloGetsReel Wash fishing, where you're tying one strong knot directly to the hook with a pea sized sinker running down to the knot, mono has no equal based on my experience, results and observations of other gun 'pig' fishermen. Platypus Lo=stretch is an interesting Aussie mono and fishes very well (for those who don't wish to convert to braid but want a direct feel in a mono).
@@franksaunders6534 yep, that's a good way to go, although I do all my pig fishing in the wash these days with braid. I love the contact. But plenty of very good pig fishers prefer mono. Each to their own.
Good luck trying to cast a 2 g lure with a mono line. Braid wins all the time when fishing ultra light or light.
@@devoker666 Good luck pig fishing, mate, you can keep your expensive braid. Mono wins every time. Case of knowing your applications and what you as an angler are capable of doing. Plenty of top anglers used mono when braid was non-existent and went ultra light with ultra light lures. They worked with whet they had and got the job done.
Tasline the one and only.
Fair enough. Everyone has a favourite. iIve never tried that one.
I believe the standard pound measure is the fg knot strength. The real breaking strength is normally above.
UA-cam channel line laboratory does good job measuring it. Feel like the Japanese are more honest about line diameter
Cheers for that. I'll check them out.
@@StarloGetsReel you should, his finding are very similar to what you say about manufacturers underquoting their line strength.
Flash looking trout landing net on the wall behind you Kimosabi. 😉😜😂😂👍
You know it!
@ Brought back some fond memories, making it for you. Ashley Artis in Tassie has another one similar.
It amuses me when a spool of line shows what “poundage” the line is then the length in meters….now with Kairiki it shows the poundage of the line and the breaking strength in kilograms…..MY HEAD IS SPINNING….LOL!
Yep, they've got it all going on! Aussie anglers are nothing if not eclectic (or maybe just mixed up!). We rig an 80 mm soft plastic on a 1/4 ounce jig head attached to a rod length of three kilo fluorocarbon leader, connected to 6 pound braid, cast it a country mile and land a 50 cm fish that's gotta weigh at least three pounds!
@ ….. you’ve summed it all up in that one paragraph… love it! Tight Lines.
Hey Starlo I am an avid user of FC rock leaders, how would you rate these amongst other brands
Yep, I've used a fair bit of FC Rock in the past, and I like it, although these days I use the Ocea FC for most of my leader work - seems pretty similar in performance.
Use kairiki 10pound once wouldnt use again it fishes more like 8pound in other brands,power pro 🙌 hav use it for years with smooth cast,strong
Fair enough.
Why is this channel so under viewed?
How can I help you Steve?
Just let your friends know about the channel, and perhaps share some of your favourite videos with others on social media or wherever. 👍
I guess it takes time for the word to get out, but it’s growing nicely now. 👍
@@StarloGetsReel I like and share often, I'm setting up an drone fishing rig I figure I'll need a 1500y spool of 80lb power pro who would stock something like that?
@ oooh. Good question! Might be worth calling Shimano direct and asking.
Hey Starlo What about your favourite mono ? Cheers 🍻
Shimano's Exage nylon and Ocea FC fluorocarbon.
@@StarloGetsReel Exage in 30 lb is a great finesse tough mono for big pigs in tight rough gutters. Have had good success with it.
remember you being a fan of a rapala braid years ago.
I was indeed! It was one of the early ones, from memory. Later on we also did a Squidgy braid for a while, out of the same factory. I also used a lot of the old original Spiderwire, which was pretty rough by today's standards, but I caught plenty of fish on it. There was also a REALLY early braid (maybe a Berkley product?) that had a mono core. Pretty thick, but talk about tough! I used it on a charter boat on the outer Great Barrier Reef and every time I hooked a big fish it would chop straight through everyone else's whipper-snipper nylon! The rest of the crew nicknamed me "Chainsaw" and no one wanted to fish too close to me!
Love your content but seriously, Shimano marketing team at their best.
Breaking strain in lbs BUT average actual in Kg - why not list both measurements in the same value??
Yes, it’s all over the place, for sure, but most line companies/manufacturers are just as bad. I agree it’d be good to see both imperial and metric.
Look at line laboratory videos for hos proper line diameter messurmeent is done and expose manufacturers ridiculous overstated claims
Shimano measure diameters under a microscope ,they dont use micrometers.
There you go!
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