I'm not sure I agree with this. Sure, king has better comeback potential, but that just means you have to play differently with AK and try to not rely on rage too much. I'm not saying that AK is better, but tbh just comparing them on comeback potential doesn't really give me the full picture. Btw, personally, it would look something like this: STANDING PUNISHMENT: King A - AK A. Practically tied. King has better 12f and 15f punish, AK has 13f long-range mid wallsplat punish and dark upper. CROUCH PUNISHMENT: King A - AK F. King is better no contest, he would be S if only he had a 13f punish, AK has only ws4 below 15f (it's chunky tho) and his hopkick has bad range so it's not fully reliable. WHIFF PUNISHMENT: King B - AK A+. This one's for AK. Shoulder has amazing range and is mid, and dark upper does a lot of damage. King doesn't have a fast long-range laucher, tho b3:1+2 is quite chunky and b1,2 has a lot of range (but bad hitbox). MOVEMENT & EVASIVENESS: King D - AK B. This one's for AK again, his hitbox is smaller, his sidestep is much better and he has a nice panic move in b1+4 that some characters can't punish. King is huge, has no panic moves and he even gets hit by some big boy combos. KEEP OUT: King C - AK B. King has better range on b1, but AK has dark upper. APPROACH: King A - AK A. I'm on the fence on this one. King has simpler options (ff1, ffn1+2 and ffn2 can cover almost everything) but none of them area really oppressive, whereas AK has a lot of options but a lot more risky (cd1, ff3 are high, ff4, ff2, ffn2 weak to ss, cd4 has no range). AK has an usable wavedash tho so that's another point to consider. POKING: King B - AK B. Another difficult one. King has better mids and his fast mids (df1, df2 and df3) have good tracking. AK has better lows so he doesn't have to rely too much on throws. THROWS: King S+ - AK A+. Obviously King has the best throw game in the game, and his better mids make connecting them easier. AK could be said to be second so he's not too shabby, but from my experience he's ducked more often. OKIZEME: King S - AK B. Most of king's knockdowns and throws give amazing oki, and his floor grabs and rage drive do a LOT of damage if the enemy stays on the ground. AK doesn't really have a mixup for floor grabs (except at the wall and on a couple of positions), and only a couple of knockdowns give favorable oki. RAGE: King S - AK D. King's rage drive is one of the best of the game. AK's rage drive is super cool tho. OVERALL: King A+ - AK A.
EXCELLENT response @rabusmar! I Pretty much agree with most of your points. As far as the crouch punishment section, don't forget that both can use crouch canceling to punish lows like Paul's qcf+3, both Kings' f,f,n,2, etc. AK can cc f+1+4 for -14 lows for the wall splat. I would boost AK's rating to a C and not an F lol because some characters have it worse than him. Also, the movement and evasiveness should be a little higher for King. Backwards JGS is VERY good for King and he has more moves with crushing properties than AK. Now AK's b+1+4 is an amazing evasive tool, but it isn't safe against everyone and it gets blown up by a lot of moves. King's backdash covers more ground than AK's but not his SS. Both have the same hurtboxes when it comes to combos also. Poking? King has d/f+2 and a very hard to step d/f+1 with an extension that's only -10. I give the nod to King because 2 CH d/f+2's is the round against the majority of the cast. AK has nothing even close to that.
As someone who doesn't play king/AK, AK always gives me trouble for the same reason that Mishimas do: MOVEMENT! The wavedash is no joke! I haven't played a king online in forever, but them AK players always give me work lol
Word. But I don’t care who's better out of the two. Doesn't mean nothing but opinions in the end. If you're a King fanboy, you are, in no doubt, going to say King is better than AK.
Armor King uses Pro Wrestling. Unlike King, his fighting style is more oriented towards the "shoot" style, which has more of an emphasis on strikes as opposed to holds." Get that out there. So yes, both use pro wrestling, but are a tad different and use different move. We all know original Tekken characters will get a bit of special treatment. That means giving them a few more high damaging moves.
King : master of basics always has options balanced aggression and defense better for calm and collected players. Armor king : Aggressive moves ,good pressure , good damage up front, good for aggressive players .
@@crazy911wman king isnt as good as Armor king on pressure . I'm talking about Armor king and what his design perks are, any player can be calm with any of the characters and wait for whiffs.
@@yashking8594 King’s got df+1, 2 with the delay on 2 and his jab strings for pressuring. Pretty much any kind of pressure tool he has can just be waited out by a patient player. I think he’s best with hard reads, approach tools and maybe now whiff punishment with his new f+2, 1 and leg drop after b+3.
His frames on a lot of his knockdowns and his lack of a high utility rage drive make him have to work harder than King in a lot of aspects. He has excellent keep away and approach to compensate...but they come at a risk as well.
@@Bloonas yeah that's been a thing. CH b1+2 is +14 on hit. If you can do a perfect dark upper which is i14 you will get a launch. I practiced it a lot to the point I do it to my brother when we play just to show off my execution. The best way to practice is to go into practice and set the bots second action to guard all. Having the frame indicators will help with timing. Thing is, b1+2 is like i18 and inferior to King's chest bump and shove so it's seldom ever used.
@@justaotter2085 not even close. AK doesn't look like an anime character with a two minute chainthrow. AK throws don't look like it's fake wrestling. AK ki charges you when he lands a ch launcher. AK dark upper is high skill ceiling. AK rage drive is dirty and indicative of his Heel persona. King can't touch this.
@@mmmk6322 well it is his character right Ak is dangerous gets shit done and not to be messed with, brutal his theme in tk 2 was scary King is more of flashy character he wrestles for pure passion and not for personal reasons (except tekken 4 )
I hope this puts an end to the ever persisting question during streams, " who is better majin king or armor king " . Nice video as always mate thank you.
Bro I love the fighting stances of king and armor king, really shows the difference in their wrestling styles, King(Lucha Libre) and Armor King(Shoot Style)
Sry it's been a min my brotha work has been kickn my ass lately but I'm here tho and yes I have ta agree king is better even tho my big brother loved armor king
Idk, i've been more successful with ak, and he's more fun. I even bettered my exexution and wavedash through him. If I were consistent with king's giant swing, i might have used him more ( piledriver always comes out for me)
@@lloydvallentine2 funny thing is i'm consistent with armor king's giant swing, but king's i always mess up, because half of giant swing input is that tombstone, plus i'm on a cheap gamepad
@@jaaydee93 Yea me too, there is a secret input like do a forward and then the tombstone input with a square but its not 100% accurate.. Like each time i play I have to practice it for a minute to get the timing right and even then I regress to the conventional method after I miss a couple of times..
@@lloydvallentine2 yeah, i accidentally did that once, tried to dash and do a tombstone with armor king and giant swing came out, however i did not try that out with king
I'm curious. what would you like to see from armor king if he shows up in tekken eight? I mostly play him on the side now cause I enjoy being lei for his mix-ups. what would you say they change about armor king to keep him different from king while also being just as fun/good.
They should not be compared because they have completely different playstyles and moves. Just like how Anna and Nina are not same. I think King is obviously stronger than AK because I struggle more with King.
I'mma just say King is better than Armor because of lower execution requirements. For the life of me I can't even do the Crouch dash 2 into Crouch dash 1.
It's completely the opposite for me. King's wave dash is definitely not a "lower execution requirement", that's muscle memory that only a few have mastered on keyboard, pad, and stick respectively. Also, I'll hand it to King players that can land a ff1 combo into shining wizard because I can't do that consistently in comparison to cd2 to cd1, or even the JDCR special.
I Love The Intro Majin. But Armored King is better than king 💯 Well at least to me. I played Armored King & King both yesterday and always have a harder time playing AK. I use Noctis & Leroy on XBox
JDCR just won a huge online invitational with AK and said he believes AK is very strong (I would assume stronger than king) so I’m interested to hear your thoughts on the other side of the coin.
Now, sorry to ask such a noob question, but striking wise, Armor King is better, right? And this is coming from someone who mains Miguel, and have a friends who play both Armor King, and some who play King.
@@jwoodsjr123sgameroom5 i think king is still better but AK is just easier to play since most of his combos are pretty easy to pull off Also, he has great wall carry
They're supposed to be Mexican but a reveal of King I's face from Namco Museum makes him looks black. He had a big high top fade afro under his mask. I'm not sure what King II is but AK I & II can be both be Afro Mexicans (yes those exist). They are WAY too dark to just be Mexican or Indigenous. Especially Tag 2 Armor King.
@@DJCocoaButter YES I KNOW OF THE BLACKS OF OTHER NATIONALITIES LOL I JUST REMEMBERED THE REGULAR KING LOOKING LIKE A BLACK DUDE THEN HE WAS LIGHTENED UP I HAVE NO QUESTION REALLY ABOUT ARMOR KING BEING BLACK LMAO
@@DJCocoaButter KINDA WHAT THEY DID WITH KRATOS’s FACIAL FEATURES…REAL AFRO CENTRIC THEN THEY CHANGED HIM WITH THE LATEST GAME LOL SEVERAL BLACK VOICE ACTORS BLACK BODY MODEL (guy actually died trying to save his daughter if I remember correctly) AND DAVID JAFFE (he has a UA-cam channel) THE CREATOR SAID HIS DREAM ROLE ACTOR FOR KRATOS WAS “DJIMON HOUNSOU” GOOGLE WHAT HE LOOKS LIKE AND THIS IS THE GUY WHO CREATED KRATOS SAYING THIS LOL
The intro is back!!! I'm satisfied now
Honestly it feels like if king was in irl
He would have a intro like this
I'm not sure I agree with this. Sure, king has better comeback potential, but that just means you have to play differently with AK and try to not rely on rage too much. I'm not saying that AK is better, but tbh just comparing them on comeback potential doesn't really give me the full picture.
Btw, personally, it would look something like this:
STANDING PUNISHMENT: King A - AK A. Practically tied. King has better 12f and 15f punish, AK has 13f long-range mid wallsplat punish and dark upper.
CROUCH PUNISHMENT: King A - AK F. King is better no contest, he would be S if only he had a 13f punish, AK has only ws4 below 15f (it's chunky tho) and his hopkick has bad range so it's not fully reliable.
WHIFF PUNISHMENT: King B - AK A+. This one's for AK. Shoulder has amazing range and is mid, and dark upper does a lot of damage. King doesn't have a fast long-range laucher, tho b3:1+2 is quite chunky and b1,2 has a lot of range (but bad hitbox).
MOVEMENT & EVASIVENESS: King D - AK B. This one's for AK again, his hitbox is smaller, his sidestep is much better and he has a nice panic move in b1+4 that some characters can't punish. King is huge, has no panic moves and he even gets hit by some big boy combos.
KEEP OUT: King C - AK B. King has better range on b1, but AK has dark upper.
APPROACH: King A - AK A. I'm on the fence on this one. King has simpler options (ff1, ffn1+2 and ffn2 can cover almost everything) but none of them area really oppressive, whereas AK has a lot of options but a lot more risky (cd1, ff3 are high, ff4, ff2, ffn2 weak to ss, cd4 has no range). AK has an usable wavedash tho so that's another point to consider.
POKING: King B - AK B. Another difficult one. King has better mids and his fast mids (df1, df2 and df3) have good tracking. AK has better lows so he doesn't have to rely too much on throws.
THROWS: King S+ - AK A+. Obviously King has the best throw game in the game, and his better mids make connecting them easier. AK could be said to be second so he's not too shabby, but from my experience he's ducked more often.
OKIZEME: King S - AK B. Most of king's knockdowns and throws give amazing oki, and his floor grabs and rage drive do a LOT of damage if the enemy stays on the ground. AK doesn't really have a mixup for floor grabs (except at the wall and on a couple of positions), and only a couple of knockdowns give favorable oki.
RAGE: King S - AK D. King's rage drive is one of the best of the game. AK's rage drive is super cool tho.
OVERALL: King A+ - AK A.
EXCELLENT response @rabusmar! I Pretty much agree with most of your points. As far as the crouch punishment section, don't forget that both can use crouch canceling to punish lows like Paul's qcf+3, both Kings' f,f,n,2, etc. AK can cc f+1+4 for -14 lows for the wall splat. I would boost AK's rating to a C and not an F lol because some characters have it worse than him.
Also, the movement and evasiveness should be a little higher for King. Backwards JGS is VERY good for King and he has more moves with crushing properties than AK. Now AK's b+1+4 is an amazing evasive tool, but it isn't safe against everyone and it gets blown up by a lot of moves. King's backdash covers more ground than AK's but not his SS. Both have the same hurtboxes when it comes to combos also.
Poking? King has d/f+2 and a very hard to step d/f+1 with an extension that's only -10. I give the nod to King because 2 CH d/f+2's is the round against the majority of the cast. AK has nothing even close to that.
As someone who doesn't play king/AK, AK always gives me trouble for the same reason that Mishimas do: MOVEMENT!
The wavedash is no joke! I haven't played a king online in forever, but them AK players always give me work lol
@@Nawrly17 imagine the dev giving AK a hell sweep, he'll become a solid top tier character
Word. But I don’t care who's better out of the two. Doesn't mean nothing but opinions in the end. If you're a King fanboy, you are, in no doubt, going to say King is better than AK.
Armor King uses Pro Wrestling. Unlike King, his fighting style is more oriented towards the "shoot" style, which has more of an emphasis on strikes as opposed to holds."
Get that out there. So yes, both use pro wrestling, but are a tad different and use different move. We all know original Tekken characters will get a bit of special treatment. That means giving them a few more high damaging moves.
King : master of basics always has options balanced aggression and defense better for calm and collected players.
Armor king : Aggressive moves ,good pressure , good damage up front, good for aggressive players .
Differently king can put more pressure. Ak has to stay calm and wait for whiffs
@@crazy911wman king isnt as good as Armor king on pressure . I'm talking about Armor king and what his design perks are, any player can be calm with any of the characters and wait for whiffs.
@@yashking8594 King’s got df+1, 2 with the delay on 2 and his jab strings for pressuring. Pretty much any kind of pressure tool he has can just be waited out by a patient player.
I think he’s best with hard reads, approach tools and maybe now whiff punishment with his new f+2, 1 and leg drop after b+3.
The funniest thing is that yesterday I just tried to find a video of you talking about king over armor king.
Now you did a video
Imm a new comer who has decided to start with king I don’t fully understand your vids yet but despite that you are still really entertaining
So, this iteration of AK is launch heavy with horrible frames and little options. High risk, low reward.
But AK has better style points.
His frames on a lot of his knockdowns and his lack of a high utility rage drive make him have to work harder than King in a lot of aspects. He has excellent keep away and approach to compensate...but they come at a risk as well.
@@lilmajin Since you mention the push from King, AK b1+2 guarantee CD2 on CH, timing is tight tho
@@Bloonas yeah that's been a thing. CH b1+2 is +14 on hit. If you can do a perfect dark upper which is i14 you will get a launch. I practiced it a lot to the point I do it to my brother when we play just to show off my execution. The best way to practice is to go into practice and set the bots second action to guard all. Having the frame indicators will help with timing. Thing is, b1+2 is like i18 and inferior to King's chest bump and shove so it's seldom ever used.
@@mmmk6322 😄 AK definitely gets the swag points. I wish they improve on his throw game, even Nina has more throw mixups than AK.
I've heard of glytch before but I'm surprised they didn't let you have your own flavor, unless you couldn't think of a name/flavor or didnt want one 😁
Where Armor king lacks he gains in looking cool 😎😢
King has equal if not better drip too ge robbed ak in every aspect
@@justaotter2085 not even close. AK doesn't look like an anime character with a two minute chainthrow. AK throws don't look like it's fake wrestling. AK ki charges you when he lands a ch launcher. AK dark upper is high skill ceiling. AK rage drive is dirty and indicative of his Heel persona.
King can't touch this.
@@mmmk6322 gn
@@mmmk6322 well it is his character right
Ak is dangerous gets shit done and not to be messed with, brutal his theme in tk 2 was scary
King is more of flashy character he wrestles for pure passion and not for personal reasons (except tekken 4 )
Please keep videos like this one coming, I’ll watch them daily.
Finally some insights by the pioneer himself!
I hope this puts an end to the ever persisting question during streams, " who is better majin king or armor king " .
Nice video as always mate thank you.
Bro I love the fighting stances of king and armor king, really shows the difference in their wrestling styles, King(Lucha Libre) and Armor King(Shoot Style)
Because Lil Majin is playing him that's the only reason we need 🤷🏾
But in all seriousness I like King's drip more
Simple, it's whoever you use champ. Much love from Tennessee Neighbor!
This just took the wind out my sails. Thanks Majin! 😆
Sry it's been a min my brotha work has been kickn my ass lately but I'm here tho and yes I have ta agree king is better even tho my big brother loved armor king
ive never seen king do a rock bottom before, had no idea he could do that
Idk, i've been more successful with ak, and he's more fun. I even bettered my exexution and wavedash through him. If I were consistent with king's giant swing, i might have used him more ( piledriver always comes out for me)
same here and Ive been playing king since teken 3. Gamepads are just unrealiable for giant swings
@@lloydvallentine2 funny thing is i'm consistent with armor king's giant swing, but king's i always mess up, because half of giant swing input is that tombstone, plus i'm on a cheap gamepad
@@jaaydee93 Yea me too, there is a secret input like do a forward and then the tombstone input with a square but its not 100% accurate.. Like each time i play I have to practice it for a minute to get the timing right and even then I regress to the conventional method after I miss a couple of times..
@@lloydvallentine2 yeah, i accidentally did that once, tried to dash and do a tombstone with armor king and giant swing came out, however i did not try that out with king
Video quality be poppin 👀
Just check out the recent JDCR vs Puma for a live demonstration
I'm curious. what would you like to see from armor king if he shows up in tekken eight? I mostly play him on the side now cause I enjoy being lei for his mix-ups. what would you say they change about armor king to keep him different from king while also being just as fun/good.
I’d like to see more of an emphasis on Japanese strong style wrestling. It would truly have him stand out a lot more compared to his brothers protege.
Intro is so hype
Now do a video as to why armor king is better than king
Idk man i cant seem to pick AK back up after Tag 2
I’d pay for a button by button, beginner to Expert guide on how to use King, by Lil majin
Love the intro g
And the biggest compare of all these moves is the rage drive every one knows that
They should not be compared because they have completely different playstyles and moves. Just like how Anna and Nina are not same. I think King is obviously stronger than AK because I struggle more with King.
I didn't know cd1 launched😐. I've struggled for long trying to pick him up
I'mma just say King is better than Armor because of lower execution requirements.
For the life of me I can't even do the Crouch dash 2 into Crouch dash 1.
It's completely the opposite for me. King's wave dash is definitely not a "lower execution requirement", that's muscle memory that only a few have mastered on keyboard, pad, and stick respectively. Also, I'll hand it to King players that can land a ff1 combo into shining wizard because I can't do that consistently in comparison to cd2 to cd1, or even the JDCR special.
@@TokenaiNamae but king doesnt need to wavedash
The King, is the King. 💪🦁👍
Finally King is back
Is Lil Majin not gonna compete in EVO?
I miss this intro
Intro has returned
I Love The Intro Majin. But Armored King is better than king 💯 Well at least to me. I played Armored King & King both yesterday and always have a harder time playing AK. I use Noctis & Leroy on XBox
JDCR just won a huge online invitational with AK and said he believes AK is very strong (I would assume stronger than king) so I’m interested to hear your thoughts on the other side of the coin.
Love you bro lil 👏👏😁
If I had footage like that intro bro I'd be using it a lot lol it's cool man mad cool.
I want to see more Majin vs Marduk players because Marduk does not respect the frames 😂😂😂😂
Yoo Lil Majin why we don’t see u in tournaments? :(
I don't care to compete in online tournaments (for now) and I'm waiting on the pandemic to clear before I travel offline.
@@lilmajin can’t wait to see you back on the stage bro
Yo im be using combos like that if yu ever on PS4 servers bro I'd love to get few matches with yu bro
There are match-ups where AK is better and others where king is better.
But I still love this AK too
I played Tekken 1 to 3 and King is better than Armor King since Tekken 3.. Maybe 2 🤔
I am your fan
Hi
I missed the intro.
You play what Play4 ?
O PC ?
AK is better for whiff punish
Now, sorry to ask such a noob question, but striking wise, Armor King is better, right? And this is coming from someone who mains Miguel, and have a friends who play both Armor King, and some who play King.
What do you mean striking wise?
@@fatbum nevermind. I should probably watch the full video first lol
@@fatbum but just to answer your question of what I mean, without grapples, who would be better?
@@jwoodsjr123sgameroom5 imo king is still way better because AK's frames are just so abysmal.
@@jwoodsjr123sgameroom5 i think king is still better but AK is just easier to play since most of his combos are pretty easy to pull off
Also, he has great wall carry
The best ak train king lol he has all the best moves
I know this is his opinion but I completely agree lmao
well he is the best known king player in the world so his opinion should be valid
Ak has better lows that why I think king is not better by much.
I mean it is true
short explanation in 13 mins
You still competing? I’m new here 👋🏻
He doesn’t want to compete until the pandemic finally settles down, or stop completely.
Tekken should pay you
The peoples Champ .....
BRO IS KING HISPANIC AND ARMOR KING BLACK?
They're supposed to be Mexican but a reveal of King I's face from Namco Museum makes him looks black. He had a big high top fade afro under his mask. I'm not sure what King II is but AK I & II can be both be Afro Mexicans (yes those exist). They are WAY too dark to just be Mexican or Indigenous. Especially Tag 2 Armor King.
@@DJCocoaButter do you have any sources so i can see what he looked liked. Only time ive seen kings face was in t 1
@@icecreamcupcake437 www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/6r38x2/remember_that_one_part_in_the_tekken_1_console/?
@@DJCocoaButter YES I KNOW OF THE BLACKS OF OTHER NATIONALITIES LOL
I JUST REMEMBERED THE REGULAR KING LOOKING LIKE A BLACK DUDE THEN HE WAS LIGHTENED UP
I HAVE NO QUESTION REALLY ABOUT ARMOR KING BEING BLACK LMAO
@@DJCocoaButter KINDA WHAT THEY DID WITH KRATOS’s FACIAL FEATURES…REAL AFRO CENTRIC THEN THEY CHANGED HIM WITH THE LATEST GAME LOL
SEVERAL BLACK VOICE ACTORS
BLACK BODY MODEL (guy actually died trying to save his daughter if I remember correctly)
AND DAVID JAFFE (he has a UA-cam channel) THE CREATOR SAID HIS DREAM ROLE ACTOR FOR KRATOS WAS “DJIMON HOUNSOU” GOOGLE WHAT HE LOOKS LIKE AND THIS IS THE GUY WHO CREATED KRATOS SAYING THIS LOL
Armor King is better than King in TTT2
King is better than Armor King in T7
You're pretty biased tbh. You spent twice as long talking about king as you did armor King. Didn't mention AKs strong counterhit moves either.
Or his wall combos and Oki at the wall
@lilmajin tell them fix AK and close the gap a little bit at least
Well, I already knew that King is the cheapest character who can be played by person with negative IQ, but I didn't realise how actually busted he is
noctis player energy coming from this comment
@@justinjohnston8923 haha, wrong. I'm Steve main with DJin, Julia and Geese as secondary
Sounds like someone loses to king a lot
Bruh everyone knows already you've told us about a thousand times
Messaged you on Instagram. Read it 😂😂😂
What is her Insta ?
@@leandrohonorio4168 her????
@@_NEW3RA_ his*
@@leandrohonorio4168 thelilmajin
@@_NEW3RA_ thx 😉
First
It’s cause he darker all the dark characters always something wrong people just don’t speak on what they be discussing in office
Doesn't really matter they both get swept all over the canvas