Best Value States for Elk, Deer & Pronghorn
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- Опубліковано 4 вер 2024
- Randy explains what states provide the best value for a nonresident elk, deer, and pronghorn hunter. He also explains his short, mid, and long-term plans for each species in each state.
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you have to consider the one offs as well. I put my son in for a 4th choice hunt in NM for the SW region. he was granted a Youth hunt in unit 15 which is considered high demand. now remember high demand youth is not available to out of state residents, he was drawn and he harvested a nice 8 point. He is an AZ resident. if you would like pics I will send. Was the best time we have spent together, only problem was we had 8 days for the hunt and he harvested on the second afternoon. was 60 deg during the day had to leave that day. would have loved to spend the rest of the hunt hanging out with him. Semper Fi!!
Thanks Randy for the wave out out of state hunters! (A Wyo resident)
You cap them by statute, so the number will stay the same. Your state does a great job and makes it a high value for non-residents.
@@Fresh_Tracks hey man I knew that before I moved here! But the people that have lived here for 10+ years don't!
Your efforts here to increase the rate of point creep will, in time, have an impact on how much value there actually is.
Thanks so much Randy for all you do! Looks like the next DIY archery hunts are going to get planned now because of this video! Won’t my wife be thrilled 😊
You should really add South Dakota to the mule deer and antelope hunts. Archery is over the counter for both with lots of public hunting areas for both species. Also good chance for rifle after 3 years for both. Now elk the only chance an out of state hunter has is the habitat hunt raffle for one tag.
Sorry to bother you, my brother in law and I have been wanting to try "out west" bow hunting we aren't getting any younger, and have been trying to figure out how to go about it being from Minnesota, do we pick a zone or just go and by a tag, it seems confusing to me
@@danrobertson5422 and you can get 1 statewide tag or 1 east river and 1 west river tag.
Please stop...dont mention SD. Thanks
@@SEEYOUNEXTTUESDAY-45 too good to share? I was there a couple months ago. It had the most big deer i have ever seen. Whitetail and mule alike were absolutely huge and saw a freaking great buck around every turn. Wish I could post a picture here.
@@bornfree8073 now I know you are lying.... most deer are average. And yes too good to share. The only great thing about SD was a lack of people and thats becoming not the case.
Thanks for breaking this down for each species and states, even though you almost forgot Montana deer 🦌 (which get shot at in the rut with a rifle).
As I mentioned on the Fresh Tracks+ app, if I want to hunt pronghorn in multiple states in the least amount of years I will have to get much more proficient with my bow 🏹 and stalking skills.
As a resident of one the western states Randy listed, I think it’s funny that people think that these videos reduce the chances of a resident drawing a tag in a premium hunt or that they increase non-resident hunter numbers (overcrowding). Those numbers are determined by the state wildlife agency, not by nonresident applications. I also find the “in-your-face” “they’re our elk too” attitudes of a lot of nonresidents amusing. As Randy has pointed out on numerous occasions, the game animals belong to the residents of the state, so our game agencies have every right to restrict nonresident hunting for the benefit of residents. To be clear, I’m not against nonresident hunters. I know you guys put a lot of money in state coffers to make hunting better for us all and I thank you and hope you have a great hunt.
🎯 bullseye.
I think the issue that a lot of people are having these days is that 15 years ago, the hunting out west was either all OTC or the tags were extremely easy to draw. (I don’t know that for sure since I’ve only been hunting out west for the last 9 years but I have been told that by some friends that are residents of Arizona). Since the UA-cam personalities like Randy and others have come along and educated the entire country on how easy it is to go hunting out west, hundreds of thousands of new people have now started putting in applications over the years in every western state, thus, making it harder to get tags, point creep is high, etc. The number of applicants have gone through the roof but the animal population has stayed the same and the tag numbers have to stay the same or decrease in a lot of cases.
So we all know that the states issue a determined amount of tags. That’s not the problem. The problem for some is that they use to get a tag every year and now they are getting tags every 3rd or 4th year.
Personally, I like that more people are hunting. I just think that if there are going to be more hunters, then states should work to increase the resource so that more people can hunt.
I totally agree with you, but as someone who has a 'secret' family spot in Idaho as a utah resident, that has slowly gotten more roads and people over time, (we really were the first people hunting in that area) its just ridiculous that residents are so entitled to there spot. Same with a spot in Wyoming, this guy said "those are my mountains" (not in a hostile way) and I told him look, my great-great grandpa has been ranching sheep here for over a hundred years, dont be like that.
@@shanedupont9116 You're correct. I'm from AZ and I think the game and fish department needs to come up with better strategies for applicants. Something like once you draw a tag you should have to wait a certain period to reapply for that hunt. It's kind of ridiculous that in an Antelope hunt I apply for there's over 5,000 applications for 30 tags. I've been applying for over 23 years and have a total of 25 points and haven't been drawn and I'm a resident!! I know it's rare but I know of a guy who's drawn this tag 3 times in 6 years. Something needs to be changed.
Tyler you're not wrong, but where I live the guys smashing the UTVs through the forest to try to round up a bull aren't nonresidents. The guys shooting past other hunters to beat them to a shot aren't nonresidents. The guys setting up camp weeks ahead of time to claim public land ahead of time aren't nonresidents. The guys who get their tires cut, who look out for one another and share information usually are. Now where I used to live the sense of entitlement was extremely high among the out-of-state guys, so I know it happens.
Just moved to Wyoming and these videos help. Holy cow learning a new state is confusing. I applied for mule deer hunt with 0 points around my area. I’m between 40-93% chance of draw according to GoHUNT. After this first year I’ll be considered resident though and seems like it’ll be less confusing lol. Nice to see how much time they give hunters here though. Very nice.
Randy and staff I really appreciate the content that you all put out for us specifically the past two videos have been awesome. I work remotely and have been considering moving to a western state for the hunting opportunities. It would be great if you all could do a video or a series on the best states to hunt western big game as a resident of those states. Thanks again.
AZ sucks. Stay away!! 🤣🤣
if you move out west be prepared for the residents or the "natives'' as they call themselves to completely despise you. it is sad but the best thing to do is to not let people you meet know where you came from. As soon as they know youre from out of state their attituded changes lol. i moved to idaho and the people are honestly not the kindest overall but I dont mind. living out west is great though and so is the hunting
People will hate you for who you are. Im not saying to not do it. im just saying the west is crowded. In fact you should do it. But people won't like you because the as a matter of fact you moving here will destroy the very thing you moved there for, and the thing we have held onto for so long.
Great video! I try listening to your break downs on ElkTalk Podcast (obviously for elk) but it was nice to see everything broken down on a board rather than trying to organize it in my head. I've been looking into doing more specialty big game (moose, goat, sheep) and would be interested in seeing a video for those too! If there is already one sorry for the redundancy.
G'day from Australia, love watching your channel. This video is so informative for international hunters, I have been building bonus points in Montana (I have 5 points at the moment) The MT Fish & Game website is a wealth of draw information, but I would be interested to hear your thoughts on a potential unit (archery) in MT with the points I have ? Cheers Mick
Good video for diy guys on a budget. I think it's also worth mentioning that if someone only wants to hunt out west a handful of times in their life, they should consider an outfitter. I know, its expensive. But it is doable for a blue collar guy that can save money. It streamlines the process, and a general or low point tag in a so so unit, can become an awesome hunt on privately owned/managed land. Many people don't realize the additional costs of going diy on public, not to mention the work it takes. However, it is very rewarding when it comes together. Thanks Randy
Gonna call BS. public will always be cheaper then private. I know some amazing guides, and that private land, high price tag stuff just isn't it. It's too easy and at the point your dropping 15k for an animal, you've lost what hunting's all about. When you do that you've lost every aspect but putting a trophy on the wall and looking good. I stand by the fact that it's the guides animal- they are out there scouting 24/7 taking notes, doing the work, just for some rich dude to move his index finger. I don't have a problem with private land hunting, I just think you couldn't actually kill a wild animal if you tried. And I have nothing wrong with guides either. But when you throw it all together, its just like "dude, WHY are you hunting? Is it an ego thing? Cause if anyone who your trying to impress will know you full of crap. And it sure as heck aint a meat thing. And I don't think its a nature thing, your staying at a 5 star 'cabin' closer to a Trump Tower then an actual cabin." And I know this is pretty long, and I know this is a stereotype, as some people who hunt private really can know what they're doing. But its just not it
@@lukedavis8912 Of course a diy public land hunt would be cheaper. It's worth mentioning outfitters as an option for folks when considering a western hunt.
@@lukedavis8912 Good morning,. It's 4:13 in Georgia. My daughter is thinking of moving to Montana for years, Idk why but I may follow. My question is why is the hunting out west for these animals seems so crazy with a much land is there and less population of people? I get you on the trophy thing. I have private places I can hunt here, but I only go a few days a year. I spend most of my time on public land in Georgia instead because a trophy there is harder earned. If I wanted meat or antlers, private is the way to go. It does make a man wonder sometimes what am I doing. I just wonder what you out west hunters would do with a challenge of a public land whitetail in the piedmont of Georgia, prolly lost like I would be there, but your shot here late season will prolly be 30 yards or less and that open range just seems like if you can't kill something there, you can't hunt.
Thanks Randy was going to have to spend some time and try to figure out where I was going to start applying
california hunter here like.... you dont want to talk about our crazy system?
always love these. always great content. thanks guys!
Is it true the state only gives out 200 elk tags for the whole state?
I've been very happy with every mule deer I've shot here in Montana. If they were small antlered, it was my fault for not putting in the effort or I was impatient. It does help that I'm a resident and don't have to draw.
Are elk tags as easy/hard to draw as mule deer for nonresidents?
@@chrishugs6173 I really don't know. I would say about the same if I had to guess.
SilverFox aka Randy Newberg and his amazing, educational videos! Brilliant!
been hunting my whole life never been out west but do plan to one day, solid info thanks
the thing about Utah is 1) more than half the state is LE Elk, which is why its so hard, BUT we pull the some of the biggest bulls every year. Its what you get for the wait (possibly) 2) Only a tiny part of the state is LE deer, and we have a 'rut' limited entry muzzloader hunt in all the general seasons. Also since the hunts are broken down to archery, muzzloader, and rifle, you really can draw good deer as a non res.
It's half LE and entire units are private/CWMU. I like our general spike/bull unit system though. I also really like the weapons breakdown for all species. I think it's a great way of managing opportunity within the insane habitat we have, which is . It confused me to death when I first moved here but I think it's an excellent way to manage the weird, broken up habitat we have.
I really like are weapons break down too. I think it’s something Utah does great. But more then half of “viable elk hunting units” take forever to draw. A bunch of the general tags are beyond shiz (Henry mountains) or large amounts of private (chalk creek? I think it’s that one) or 300 elk for in 1,000,000 acres because the farmers in Wyoming can’t stand the elk wintering in there fields (north slope). But I’m serious at least 2 or 3 units have so little success it’s a joke, like box elder
@@lukedavis8912 Yeah reading the hunt planner descriptions for some of the units is pure comedy. as in "there are only 30 elk in this entire unit on a good day. often there's zero. Do not bother hunting this unit, we're not sure why it's even a thing we're discussing. population objective = zero."
I just downloaded the 2022 application book, I forgot how maddening it is that we can only apply for one LE hunt. Not getting to apply for at least 2 is so dumb. Nonres can collect a point in each species every year and they only get 10 percent of the tickets, why can't we earn points? I guess we need less of the points so we're supposed to just apply to a different species during the waiting period? I dunno. It's a strange way of managing opportunity fairness. So what if I get all 3 in one year and have to hunt general only for at least 6-7 years, that's a me problem.
As a Utah resident, it’s very much so resident oriented. Resident wait times are 1/2-1/3 of the non resident. The thing about the general tags is that they aren’t meant to be good hunts, they’re designed to control units with poor populations and genetics, or units that aren’t supposed to have any elk that now do have elk. The spike tags are a lot of fun and limited entry your walking away with a good bull, but OTC takes a lot of scouting.
Thank you for doing this video, I’d love to see more like this for other species… maybe moose? Sheep?
These aren't as complicated, as they are so hard to get and people are more willing to talk about them. Plan 20+ years for both is my moto, or NEVER
My state your not drawing anything of those until max points at 25
Thank you, will be consulting this for awhile.
Just depends on unit.... eastern az non resident has alot of mule deer hunts you can draw with 1 or 2 points for riffle
This is the best hunting video I have seen in years!
Great info Randy. Much appreciated
Great video. From my experience, I agree with what Randy is laying out here.
This is really good information Randy - thanks! Love how you seamlessly switch from numerical ranking to letter grades in the same list. 🤣 I be like whaaat... 🤣
I've been really looking forward to this video!
That was fun to see your perspective!
Forgot to mention antelope as well fantastic near Ashland area-- Montana.
Thanks for breaking this down!
I haven't drawn a deer tag in my home state since 2015. If not for landowner tags and the RFW program, I might as well sell my rifles. How can this be, if only 5-6% of the population are hunters?
Interesting question.
How tho? where do you live? Dude you must be putting in for some REALLY good, hard to draw units if its taken you 6 years.
Just drew limited entry Bull elk with about 4 points for utah and general season deer
I love how Oregon wasn’t even mentioned, it has gone to s*** since the hounding ban in the 90’s, elk and deer populations have plummeted and prices shot up. I have 15 points for elk and deer and 10 for pronghorn. I moved from my home state 10 years ago and have only been back once in 2016, hunted archery deer and elk as I’ve always done, now that ODFW has changed archery so much I likely won’t hunt there again until I draw a premium archery tag and it will be the last hunt for that species in my lifetime ( I’m 55) in Oregon, truly sad. Have been focusing on Colorado and Wyoming, have hunted Utah 21 years ago, may do general there some day again. Good luck everyone 👍🏻
and your precious hound hunting will never come back, Oregon is trying to totally ban hunting, and Colorado is about to become the 2nd state to ban Mountain Lion hunting, you want ungulates? go east of the Mississippi
@@twostop6895 go away troll 😭
I drew a limited opportunity tag in AZ this year with zero points.
Congrats!
Go hunt Montana near the town of Ashland -- in Custer national forest -- huge mulies, whitetail, turkey, and huge elk near the powder river. Montana is the state to hunt.
Thank you Randy😃
Good stuff Randy! Hey what are your thoughts on north Texas panhandle pronghorn?
P.S. Don't pay attention to the haters whose states you mentioned. They seem to forget we live in a free country.
I've never hunted pronghorn in TX. It mostly requires purchasing a tag/hunt, so we focus on the other states. I'd like to try pronghorn in TX some day, but doubt I'll get to it.
Thanks Randy. How come you never talk about Oregon? It’s an excellent option as well.
It is a very low value for the traveling non-resident. High costs, low percentage of tags to non-residents, crowded relative to other western states, and geographically further from most traveling non-resident hunters.
What about Washington and Oregon?
2021 Az Elk hunts- 190,000+ people put in for the available elk tags. Good luck getting a tag.
190K people? No freaking way!!! Can't fathom that. I do believe my Beloved state of Arizona has gone to crap the last 10 years with the hoards of Kommiefornian's swarming in like rats to a corn bin.
Randy, what are your thoughts on short term, mid, and long term in OR?
I would be really interested to see how these strategies and values change if your primary goal is meat and not antlers.
They wouldn't change.
@@Fresh_Tracks interesting. Was thinking better odds and lower prices for many cow/doe tags might factor in.
@@PachariAdventures My guess is that those tags are still limited to nonres hunters, or are at least in proportion to the male/trophy tags.
The exception he's mentioned before is OTC whitetail predation tags on private land. Sounds like it's as many as you can jam on one spear in some places, but it might not be available to nonresidents.
@@PachariAdventures Im gonna say it, ignore what randy said. Its pretty dang relatively easy to get a cow tag anywhere. I said it. But if you want to actually fill the tag...
@@lukedavis8912 your rite on that brother.. you'll get that cow tag but good luck finding a cow to hunt. Tag soup is not very filling, and expensive.
Sad, we now have CWD. They found it in unit 14, Grangeville south.
Like the videos n input I’m looking for rifle elk or mule deer diy on public land
Why no comment on OR or WA? BTW your Idaho antelope plan works about the same for residents. 32 years and I can't draw a rifle tag.
Hello I don't know what Randy is talking about, I have had an opportunity to shoot a large mule deer buck every year in Montana, if I didn't harvest one I either let the animal go or in the case of this year I simply missed. Thanks for the videos.
That's good to hear. Keep that spot a secret. Hope you continue to find the good ones.
Utah deer used to be great. A guy could draw a limited tag every 5 years. Then they put these "premium" entry hints in there and now their all premium entry. The decent units take 10 years at least, and the 2 or 3 premiums take 20. My cousin drew a Henry mountain tag at 16 with 2 points though, so there is that luck factor sometimes.
Edit: added the word deer. And the likelihood of a resident or non resident drawing a premium tag is closer to 5 percent. My dad who is a resident has put in for 1 of 3 premium hunts, depending on the health of the unit, for 18 years. He has something like 19 or 20 points from just buying a couple points. He still hasn't drawn, I expect him to draw in the next year or two though. 20 years to draw is exactly 5% success.
Utah general deer are still bigger then ever. Stop assuming you *need* an LE tag to find big deer. Monsters are shot on GE tags every year, you just might not see them all over the IG feed, for good reason
@@lukedavis8912 shit I haven't even drew a general season tag in 2 years. And I never said there aren't big deer on general units, but they are harder to find. In the he southeast unit we used to hunt before we had to draw, and before they cut up the units, it's full of big deer. Consumers canyon was where we usually went, but down by Monticello was always great. The biggest deer I've ever actually seen were in the backcountry areas between scofield and price. But then we had the freedom to hunt any of that area, it's harder when you have so many units and are constricted to a smaller area. If just means a lot more hiking for me to get away from the damned people. But a sure bet for a resident nonresident who's not paying someone to do everything but aim their gun for them is a limited unit, they will see world class deer, and not really have to work so damn hard to do so.
@@hadleytorres8171 yes the distance between Scofield and price is separated by a highway, which separates units. If only the DWR would change logistical hunt boundaries to huge deer units just so you can have your fun little spot. Feels bad, suck it up, I've had things like that happen too in Idaho. There's other spots in those units you can hunt. And yes OFC you have to get off the road. That's a given. Also if you waited 20 years and drew a LE tag, you'd also have no problem killing a huge deer.
@@lukedavis8912 yeah there's 2 great units that my dad and I are waiting on. But as far as general season goes this week be the 3rd year putting in, I better get a tag. I was shocked last year when I didn't get a tag. I really like Spanish fork canyon. The nine mile and manti Lasal specificity. I never hunted Idaho, but did run some lions between lava and soda springs with a guy I worked with. I caught some great fish in the portnouf River though. I thought I saw a great big wolf outside of lava, but it was too fleeting to be sure. If it was a dog or was a Giant dog.
@@lukedavis8912 I turned down a mine maintenance job outside Coeur D'Alene a couple years ago and kick myself in the ass now for not taking it. Fishing up there is amazing so I'm told.
Will you explain the draw system and the point system. We are new to hunting
Huge help thanks
Any thoughts on South Dakota? I think I've seen some units/areas that have OTC archery for nonresident pronghorn. Not sure about deer, pretty sure no option on elk for nonresident.
Awesome thx Randy .how does one need to hunt with you ..Happy hunting good luck on your Application
Its a shame that more and more of the tags in many states are getting to 10 plus years. And with them being 10 plus years now most applicants with none or some points will never catch them. I have a unit in WY that I have been applying for the last four years, started just one point behind and now I'm 1.5 behind.
Ive been in the non res point game for fourteen years now and in the last few years the point creep and applicants increase has never been seen before.
In most cases if you are just getting started look at units that take 1-3 points. Those are the units you will be chasing to draw and will never catch the ones that take 5 plus. That is the current trend
I hate to say it but with the trend we are at now it may be better to save your money up and go on a guided hunt.
Its like traffic on the road- your not STUCK in it, you ARE the traffic
also i feel like all the states are SO hostile to each other now. They've all jacked up there prices a lot in the last few years, and reduced tags. If it was easy to get a tag in a non res state as a res state in EVERY western state, it would be equal. But instead any state that was good for non residents gets flooded while the foreigners home state is terrible for non residents and LIKE it that way
Makes one wonder if there's some corruptness afoot with wildlife policymakers and outfitters in those states.
As a resident I've been putting in on moose in Idaho for years. No points means i might not ever draw and someone else, a non resident, can draw their first time. I've seen it happen.
Idaho calls it a controlled hunt because its a controlled number of tags. Its not a general or unlimited tag hunt. It makes a lot more sense than calling it a limited entry hunt. They aren't limited on the amount that can enter the draw. They are limited on the amount that can draw. They should be called limited draw not limited entry.
Dad's buddy moved to Idaho. First few months there. Was sending us pictures of a cow moose and her twins resting the shade of his tree line by the house. If tags are this hard to acquire, that explains a lot 😆.
It's videos and folks experiences like this that make me glad I live where I do. One license and I have whitetail, turkey, black bear, squirrels and wild hogs covered for the season. Elk if I am willing to put in for the drawings.
Thank you!
What about South Dakota (Black Hills)? I'm brand new to hunting. Maybe no elk in the Black Hills?
Only open to South Dakota residents.
@@Fresh_Tracks , ok thank you
Legends is the category your looking for.
Great stuff! 👌
Good information
If videos like this keep coming out, every hunt out west will eventually be 10+ years to draw for a non resident. I remember only 5 years ago, a non resident could get a rifle coues tag every year in Arizona.
Not anymore ! Lol.
You still can
Truth!!!!
The greatest value for nonresident is Washington state, westside over the counter, split early season and late season for archery, deer and elk are the same season dates and you can get the bundle tags, deer, elk, bear and mountain lion all for 863 non resident. Beat that.
until you stick and arrow in front of a tree hugger hiking the PCT
@@lukedavis8912 there's a tag for those too
@@jaysonsmith9542 lmao
What’s sad is I have trouble drawing anything in NM as a resident 😂 I put in for all those every year drawn pronghorn 1 time 25 years ago as my first hunt we’ve been Lucky on deer in low quality deer units , this year I switched to bow Hoping my odds to draw is better
Same here. Elk quality is decreasing. Muley numbers are dropping. Pronghorn are overpopulating and inbreeding… but let’s buy 250 Bighorn a year from AZ to replace the ones killed by un-huntable lions!
Zero management, zero opportunity! Get your heads out of your cracks NMGF!!!!
@@jrca1406 You can't hunt lions in New Mexico?
@@jamesvaldez4093 in most places but not where the Bighorns are rooted. And where they’re relocating them to try to spread them out there’s just way too many and they do nothing but hire 1 man to try to thin them out
@@jrca1406 That's crazy. Those things will wipe herds out quick. Weird management. In Arizona you buy an over the counter tag at the beginning of the year for a few bucks and it's good for a year. 1 lion per calender year.
RANDY...thanks for this. I misinterpreted how NM works for their Pronghorn tags...so if there isnt 17 tags in a unit, I guess there is ZERO chance of drawing that tag correct?
Why no Oregon or Washington ? Both have OTC and low point units
No Oregon outlook?
Randy, how about doing a video for us beginner that only want to hunt doe or cow elk?
@@jonesan20 oh man, what do you do with the horns thoug? I don’t hang things on my wall
Hey Randy, How come you didnt go over Oregon for the Elk section. Don't they have OTC elk tags too?
We do, over half the state is OTC. You can hunt Roosevelt and Rockies on the same tag. People that do videos like this always skip Oregon because most hunters would have to drive through these other states.
@@jasonclark3781 as a New Englander the prospect of driving to OR seems daunting.
@@Freduccine978 it’s a fun drive but it adds a lot to the amount of time you need to take off. Don’t let it scare you off though.
Is this speaking in terms of bulls & bucks? Or is this in regards to cows & does as well?
Oregon has the biggest mule deer. At 12 years old my first mule weighed over 200 pounds. Also hunted blue mountains Oregon for huge pissed off elk. So you can take that X off Oregon...
What do you think about Nebraska for Pronghorn or Mule Deer?
As a Utah resident I thought we were mean to nonres hunters. We could be a lot worse I guess. Even in-state antelope is rough, and deer opportunity is very marginal compared to the insane level of competition and quality of the deer. People shooting over each others' heads for a 2x2.
God this is good. I love learning stuff from an accountant. I'm not one but Randy knows how to speak my language.
Utah deer is really good. Like better then most. We don’t have as much predators, and are winters aren’t as bad.
Sometimes non-res have better odds just cause no one wants that unit, seen it before. Also for elk, Utah screws over the residents, not much left to say on that
@@lukedavis8912 yeah but the droughts and development in wintering areas are having an impact and the quality of the deer is not anywhere near the same class as surrounding states.
@@lukedavis8912 I just got looking at the draw odds report from last year's general deer. You're right it is better opportunity than I remembered. Question for ya: do you know if the region of fishlake/monroe is super good hunting or is it just high demand because it's accessible? Panguitch I get, south slope I get, boulder I get, but the odds at fishlake and monroe are really blown up. 2 points minimum even for archery, probably 4 for rifle. Not going to apply there regardless but it's really curious since the areas around them are in line with most of the other mountains.
I just remembered the only other big weird thing Utah does: applications and drawing BEFORE the management recommendations are made to the state and quotas are set for the year.
@@jcarry5214 Yeah fishlake is considered one of the better general season units, but I'm serious when I say most units are good. Like where I hunt I know there are 190" deer and you can draw it with 0 points on the archery very easy, just gotta find a spot
Surprised you dont have NV listed
What about Pennsylvania they may have all the records soon.
You skipped Montana mule deer. Helpful video, though. Edit....should kept watching. LOL
Could you do one on Moose?
Randy do you have this in a pdf or spreadsheet?
Randy, what a thorough job on this draw analysis, but it looks like old Baby Boomers like me are relegated to Colorado only, not enough years left in the sand dial! I'm thinking about finding late season cow elk hunts, and going for them instead! Have really become a meat hunter at my age anyhow! Nice video and very informative for those you have time left! GEEZ it's even hard to get a deer tag in IOWA for God's sake! Preference points, what a tragic invention.
Ron, the best kept non-secret is that general season archery tags are unlimited now in Utah, and it's a solid meat hunt. You can hunt spikes and cows on the limited entry units and anything you want in the general units. Too many people refuse to shoot cows, they think the big one is just over the hill (even though they don't leave the road).
Granted we shaft you for 600 dollars but if you want a good cow hunt in a trophy unit just for the hell of it it's a good time. I chose not to tag a cow for some reason but I had a good time trying and working with other hunters I met on the trail.
Utahs Panguitch unit could be the best elk area in the country.
Have bulls that would score 400+ behind my cabin.
Talked to hunters who after 20 years of putting in for a tag said to hell with it and gave up. Fun to see all the big bulls but you cant hunt them.
Utah has the biggest bulls in the west hands down. It just takes so long to draw.
My buddy has family who bought property in LE unit , not panguitch but manti, and they were 100 percent ignorant of what LE was. They just knew the place was lousy with big bulls. Lol they bought general tags and went up the hill and they each thankfully had the good sense that something was wrong and met back up to go look up the rules. If you’re seeing several 350+ bulls loafing around a short hike off the road and no army of other hunters then yeah, you might have a problem.
Yeah some of these units are insane. I’d rather hunt a worse unit than save my points for the rest of my life.
Could you do WA?
What about NV?
What about Kansas and Oklahoma for elk
Colorado’s Public lands look like New York City during hunting season, this year was the worst I have ever seen it. They need to go away from over the counter tags and make them all draw tags. It’s way overcrowded.
Hey man! What about oregon?
I hate to say it, but not a good value for a traveling hunter. So, it wasn't included.
Well at least put us on the board.
Hey man, what about Oregon?
Show the Roosevelt's some love
Wow! Do I feel stupid about my investment in firearms! What was I thinking that a greenhorn like myself could actually ever have a shot a western big game hunting. Never mind that sound....it's just my head beating against the wall! I have been threatening to do it for years now and given that I am really tired of the friggin hurricanes in Florida and the skyrocketing insurance rates I may as well just sell my house and relocate to Colorado now! At least that way I may have a chance to harvest an Elk or mule deer before I die!
Not sure why you deleted my post randy it was directly from new mexico game and fish official website?
Is Montana changing the draw system for nonresident? I'm in Indiana but I have a cousin who lives in whitefish that I hunt with. Are tags going to get hard to draw?
Not this year. The legislature meets again next year, so nothing is safe when the legislature is in session.
@@Fresh_Tracks what's the best way to keep up on it and influence it?
What about Texas?
You left off Kentucky. lol. Probably a lifetime goal,
Why is OR not a topic?
Colorado is 100% abandoning the OTC model.... so this information will change drastically!!!
You should be able to pass on your points in your will.
I see what you did there Randy. Wyoming is the place to go hunting not Montana, Just because you don't want people coming to Montana and messing up all your hunts. Well there are no animals left in Wyoming the bears and wolves ate them all, so don't come to Wyoming.
That's funny. If Montana had the hunting Wyoming has, I'd be talking about it.
I see what YOU did, telling everyone wyoming sucks and go to montana
Keep forgetting oregon Randy ❤
Randy Newberg sounds more like somebody I'd go to for tax advice instead of hunting advice.
You won’t believe what degree he has in college
I really appreciate what you do .but there are exceptions to every rule. Such as people that have more money than common sense and always hunt the states they want. Just make large donation every year. Seen many times in 40 years.
How come Oregon is never talked about for Elk
Hard to justify traveling through so many good elk states of WY, CO, ID, MT, to a place like Oregon that is more crowded and less opportunity for non-residents.
@@Fresh_Tracks with lower animal density.
@@jcarry5214 shut up
@@twostop6895 what? What’s your issue?
Randy the information is good, but I’ll be the first to say is that as a Non Resident thinking about putting in for NM elk, your statement that you’re only investing $65 is a very big misrepresentation when in reality you’re also fronting the $548 for a Standard hunt or $793 for a Quality/ High Demand hunt when you apply. For the blue collar DYI hunter who more than likely will be putting that on in a credit card to not tie up his well earned money regardless if they hold out until the March 16th deadline. They won’t get confirmation until late April and within 10 days of a rejection notice will be refunded minus the $13 application fee. Those that have saved up and/or can front the $600-$800 can avoid the interest they’ll be racking up during that month or more they’re into the draw cycle. So it’s not as simple as you make it sound. You may want relate a little more to your audience. I understand it’s not an issue for most but it’s a big deal to others in the DYI hunting community that can pick and choose where to devote their time, money and energy.
Your hypothetical hunter can't afford to elk hunt at all. If you can't front the cash and one month's worth of interest is such an issue for you, how are you going to pay for that tag if you draw it?
Utah in general in is a joke anymore. As a resident it's been 4 years since my last general season deer tag.
they need to shake something up, and they're already screwing over non resdidents so the source is internal.
The successive drought years have hammered the numbers after a couple bad winters. Combine that climate problem with the insane number of hunters and you get what we have. Utah has always been extremely competitive for deer. If everyone and their aunt flo didn’t apply just so they can drive their utvs around and blast anything within a half mile there’d be more tags. It’s not just new residents and nonresident hunters, the way deer hunting is done here is weird.
I remember when secrets like these were kept….
An entire freaking state is not a secret, neither is how to apply for one
Great video Randy! Thank you for sharing your wisdom. And to all the haters, us out-of-staters are comin your way and you can kiss our grits!
Why did you leave NV out? I'm highly disappointed Randy. #BattleBorn
Oh, we talked about it.