1:40 theory starts 7:00- 19:20 they tak about Dornish houses for a looooong time 7:30 lake-effect snow is a thing that actually does happen in Florida very occasionally 16:33 Sunspear is on an oceanic coast, Yronwood is on a gulf, gulfs are more moist. 17:52 the coral castle is really awesome 21:15 thank god somebody else said it 24:34 I too aspire to that 27:37 Raven like Symoné 35:30 Sandor X Nymeria enemies to lovers arc 38:20 Chekhov’s wolf pack 53:45 Tom, at least a few of them were saucy 55:46 Do it! Do it now!!!
Hi, sorry for the long comment, i don't want to be a party pooper but I hope you read it. ❤ The idea that 'cold iron' harms fae is a pretty modern invention. While it's true that the Roman world believed that iron and silver could, according to Pliny the Elder, ward away curses and evil spirits, this had nothing to do with Britannic/Celtic mythological beings and was more of a general way to fend off otherworldly beings according to the ancient world in general. Its most likely that the myth originates in part from Rudyard Kipling's poem 'Cold Iron', in which he states that cold iron could harm fae however... It's similar to saying 'hot lead' could harm them. Hot lead as in bullets. Cold iron as in swords. Kipling wasn't describing some supernatural allergy to cold iron, rather he was stating they could be killed through mundane violence. The TRUE origin of the myth seems to be White Wolf Publishing in the 1990s, who needed a specific weakness for Changeling characters and decided to settle on 'cold iron' as a material that deals Aggravated Damage to Fae creatures. Wizards of the Coast soon followed suit for DnD and modern urban fantasy authors also expanded on the concept and established it as a Fantasy Trope and so now, a couple decades later, people are already mistaking it for actual celtic folklore. Its actually kinda morbidly cool to backtrack and look at cultural appropriation in such a way, even if, as a Welsh, it feels kinda bad. Anyway, the point of this wasnt to give you a lecture, but instead to debunk Meera's theory (sorry Meera): We know the weirwoods LUUURVE blood. And the whole thing about blood is that it contains iron. Thats what allows it to oxidise so quickly and makes it so good at carrying O2 through your body. IF ANYTHING throwing iron pennies into a well would be a substitution for blood sacrifice, not a means to poison the tree. Maybe it just starved due to a lack of blood sacrifice. Anyway, thanks for coming to my Ted Talk. I would watch your Elden Ring streams. ❤
I thought the exact same thing “iron being in blood.” Funnily enough, blood in the mouth is always described as a coppery taste. There’s something there Tom.
I wonder if the wrong question is being asked. Perhaps the question isn’t “how did the heart tree in Raventree die?” but rather “what happened to the singers attached to the Raventree?”
There is a long-standing war between trees and iron. Iron is cruel to trees, not only is it some sort of corruption or poison, but it can take the form of axes to chop down trees. In the Prologue, Will, from a tree, spies an axe and calls it a “cruel piece of iron.” The Royces “Remember” that copper is nice, but Waymar chops at the branches with castle-forged steel. It is symbolic that the Andals came over to Westeros with their Iron technology, so that when people prayed at the wishing well, the coins contained iron and poisoned the world trees. Bran, whose first chapter is about judgment, thinks about all of the deforestation in Westeros and supposes that he would want revenge on mankind if he were one of the Children of the Forest. Bran merges with the “time-travelling” world tree. When Bran was in the tower, the cat’s paw came to “poison” him with a Valyrian steel dagger (containing iron) with a dragonbone hilt (containing iron). A “cruel piece of iron” sent to poison, corrupt, or kill Bran, who merges with the World Tree. Prayer from atop a tree or tower (or tree or well) is important. Will prays from atop his tree when Waymar, shouting “Gods!” sent him up the tree to find fire. Catelyn prays from Bran’s tower when she sees the fire, set by the cat’s paw, is in another tower, “thank the Gods!” And obviously people were praying when they threw the coins of various metals into the wishing well. Littlefinger is the “master of coin” so Pennytree calls us to examine his relationship to the world tree hive mind. In front of the trees, Dontos told Sansa that Littlefinger was protecting her. However, out of the sight of trees, Littlefinger killed Dontos and captured Sansa. Perhaps Littlefinger is corrupting and poisoning the tree hive mind with false knowledge and trickery, just like the iron coins are poisoning the trees.
Ooooooh a littlefinger connection to this tree is very interesting. The person who can do magic with money. False knowledge is something that I talk about a TON in this series, and I bet we can find more lineups.
GRRM said Tad Williams' trilogy inspired him to write his own 7-book trilogy. His words, embossed on the front of Williams's first book called the Dragonbone Chair. Please look up the similarities between these 2 series. There are at least 50. Iron in the wood comes from the Witchwood trees in that series. You'll see.
The Woman in White by Willie Collins is one of if not the first books to use animals not liking someone as foreshadowing for them being evil. I only bring this up because that book is terrific and more people should read it
In Norse mythology, Járnviðr (Old Norse "Iron-wood") is a forest located east of Midgard, inhabited by trollwomen who bore jötnar and giant wolves. Járnviðr is attested in the Poetic Edda, compiled in the 13th century from earlier traditional sources, and the Prose Edda, written in the 13th century by Snorri Sturluson.
It's WAAAAYYY older than that. Iron was used to ward off malevolent fae and other supernatural beings back in the middle ages. It's very old folklore. My great-granny kept an iron horseshoe over her door, following an old Celtic superstition.
I would absolutely love for y’all to do that Elden Ring stream. I would also love for y’all to do the same thing but with Tolkien lore and it’s impact on asoiaf while Tom plays the old hobbit game
1:40 theory starts
7:00- 19:20 they tak about Dornish houses for a looooong time
7:30 lake-effect snow is a thing that actually does happen in Florida very occasionally
16:33 Sunspear is on an oceanic coast, Yronwood is on a gulf, gulfs are more moist.
17:52 the coral castle is really awesome
21:15 thank god somebody else said it
24:34 I too aspire to that
27:37 Raven like Symoné
35:30 Sandor X Nymeria enemies to lovers arc
38:20 Chekhov’s wolf pack
53:45 Tom, at least a few of them were saucy
55:46 Do it! Do it now!!!
Hi, sorry for the long comment, i don't want to be a party pooper but I hope you read it. ❤
The idea that 'cold iron' harms fae is a pretty modern invention. While it's true that the Roman world believed that iron and silver could, according to Pliny the Elder, ward away curses and evil spirits, this had nothing to do with Britannic/Celtic mythological beings and was more of a general way to fend off otherworldly beings according to the ancient world in general.
Its most likely that the myth originates in part from Rudyard Kipling's poem 'Cold Iron', in which he states that cold iron could harm fae however... It's similar to saying 'hot lead' could harm them. Hot lead as in bullets. Cold iron as in swords. Kipling wasn't describing some supernatural allergy to cold iron, rather he was stating they could be killed through mundane violence.
The TRUE origin of the myth seems to be White Wolf Publishing in the 1990s, who needed a specific weakness for Changeling characters and decided to settle on 'cold iron' as a material that deals Aggravated Damage to Fae creatures. Wizards of the Coast soon followed suit for DnD and modern urban fantasy authors also expanded on the concept and established it as a Fantasy Trope and so now, a couple decades later, people are already mistaking it for actual celtic folklore.
Its actually kinda morbidly cool to backtrack and look at cultural appropriation in such a way, even if, as a Welsh, it feels kinda bad.
Anyway, the point of this wasnt to give you a lecture, but instead to debunk Meera's theory (sorry Meera):
We know the weirwoods LUUURVE blood. And the whole thing about blood is that it contains iron. Thats what allows it to oxidise so quickly and makes it so good at carrying O2 through your body.
IF ANYTHING throwing iron pennies into a well would be a substitution for blood sacrifice, not a means to poison the tree. Maybe it just starved due to a lack of blood sacrifice.
Anyway, thanks for coming to my Ted Talk. I would watch your Elden Ring streams. ❤
I thought the exact same thing “iron being in blood.”
Funnily enough, blood in the mouth is always described as a coppery taste.
There’s something there Tom.
I wonder if the wrong question is being asked. Perhaps the question isn’t “how did the heart tree in Raventree die?” but rather “what happened to the singers attached to the Raventree?”
There is a long-standing war between trees and iron. Iron is cruel to trees, not only is it some sort of corruption or poison, but it can take the form of axes to chop down trees. In the Prologue, Will, from a tree, spies an axe and calls it a “cruel piece of iron.” The Royces “Remember” that copper is nice, but Waymar chops at the branches with castle-forged steel. It is symbolic that the Andals came over to Westeros with their Iron technology, so that when people prayed at the wishing well, the coins contained iron and poisoned the world trees.
Bran, whose first chapter is about judgment, thinks about all of the deforestation in Westeros and supposes that he would want revenge on mankind if he were one of the Children of the Forest. Bran merges with the “time-travelling” world tree. When Bran was in the tower, the cat’s paw came to “poison” him with a Valyrian steel dagger (containing iron) with a dragonbone hilt (containing iron). A “cruel piece of iron” sent to poison, corrupt, or kill Bran, who merges with the World Tree.
Prayer from atop a tree or tower (or tree or well) is important. Will prays from atop his tree when Waymar, shouting “Gods!” sent him up the tree to find fire. Catelyn prays from Bran’s tower when she sees the fire, set by the cat’s paw, is in another tower, “thank the Gods!” And obviously people were praying when they threw the coins of various metals into the wishing well.
Littlefinger is the “master of coin” so Pennytree calls us to examine his relationship to the world tree hive mind. In front of the trees, Dontos told Sansa that Littlefinger was protecting her. However, out of the sight of trees, Littlefinger killed Dontos and captured Sansa. Perhaps Littlefinger is corrupting and poisoning the tree hive mind with false knowledge and trickery, just like the iron coins are poisoning the trees.
Ooooooh a littlefinger connection to this tree is very interesting. The person who can do magic with money. False knowledge is something that I talk about a TON in this series, and I bet we can find more lineups.
Thank you for the SuperThanks by the way 💚💙❤️
Hear ye hear ye a neweth INC video has dropeth
I’m 6 minutes in and I swear to god I’ve never heard so many “um” and “ah” in my life, this channel should be called Sons of Goldblum
GRRM said Tad Williams' trilogy inspired him to write his own 7-book trilogy. His words, embossed on the front of Williams's first book called the Dragonbone Chair. Please look up the similarities between these 2 series. There are at least 50. Iron in the wood comes from the Witchwood trees in that series. You'll see.
Damn now I want Sandor to pull up to Cleganebowl riding on Nymeria
Ok but consider: it's not cannibalism for Wyman Manderly to eat Frey Pie because Wyman Manderly isn't a person, he's a squisher
This comment is very big brain mace
The Woman in White by Willie Collins is one of if not the first books to use animals not liking someone as foreshadowing for them being evil. I only bring this up because that book is terrific and more people should read it
That meme of the guy saying Aliens! but it’s Meera saying Fairies!
EDIT: I posted this right before you said it! Great minds etc
In Norse mythology, Járnviðr (Old Norse "Iron-wood") is a forest located east of Midgard, inhabited by trollwomen who bore jötnar and giant wolves. Járnviðr is attested in the Poetic Edda, compiled in the 13th century from earlier traditional sources, and the Prose Edda, written in the 13th century by Snorri Sturluson.
There’s also a place in Florida called Christmas I think
Putting iron in the wood comes directly from Memory, Sorrow and Thorn. They are called witchwood trees and they were poisoned by the main villain.
It's WAAAAYYY older than that. Iron was used to ward off malevolent fae and other supernatural beings back in the middle ages. It's very old folklore. My great-granny kept an iron horseshoe over her door, following an old Celtic superstition.
20:00 Don’t tell me my man Arlan is a secret Bracken.
21:15 wow, Meera Reads with the Frey apologia, the first L she’s taken
The nails could be iron
Portland Oregon mentioned
I heard “Saucy” CoTF too 🤣😂🤣🤪
I would absolutely love for y’all to do that Elden Ring stream. I would also love for y’all to do the same thing but with Tolkien lore and it’s impact on asoiaf while Tom plays the old hobbit game
Oh my god yes that sounds like SO much fun
Zac and Tom rant about the Lord of the Rings while Tom speedruns The Hobbit
@@InterestingNerdClub I can show you weird glitches
I hope y’all like my answer to what is a lizard lion
V steel made from dragon bone iron???
Y'all & eric andre wherin im sure there are exasperating hours cut to get to the actual show, as a part of the show