It's funny how people are all bent outta shape because he's driving slow. 1. It's a publicity run 2. It's kinda wet 3. Watkins Glen has almost no runoff so if you go off you're probably gonna hit something
+dcdude345 Yup. And it's also a $20M+ car and not his. Pretty sure they also detuned it a bit cause it's wet and it's a demo. Still damn cool though. Hell, imagine just one race, just for demo/kicks, where Nascars went from 358s down to 186 ci (3L) V10 F1 engines based on 2003-2005 designs. Imagine the sound inferno, holy hell. Don't even care if they got slower because of way less torque and probably 100-150 less hp as well. That sound was divine at Hockenheim in 2004.
I love all of the "he is driving too slow ccomments". He is still going faster than any of ever would be able to. Id like to see him get back in an IndyCar, a real IndyCar not that crap IRL pig he drove in 97. But the new ones which are inching ever so slowly but getting closer to the glory days.
Yes he is going slow. But he could go faster if he wanted to. He is not using all the road intentionally. He's making sure he won't crash. It's wise on a track like this.
@@RaceActionNL It's also slightly wet, he's using a portion of the track he hasn't raced on as much before, this is one of his first times in an F1 car, this is a publicity run... multiple reasons he isn't going flat out.
They were using wet tires on a wet tune.the track wasn't very wet but was just like a drop of water then eat tune is a dry tune running intermediate tires or softs
Nice to see the collaboration between NASCAR and F1, I feel like the drivers of both have a massive respect for each other, just a shame that some F1 fans can be a bit ignorant to the skill of NASCAR drivers sometimes. (Coming from an F1 fan who hasn't watched a full NASCAR race btw)
Check out one race of each kind, NASCAR has small medium and large tracks. Talladega is legendary, Daytona as well, check out a bristol or Martinsville short track race and we do road courses too.
Jeff Gordon Trades Paint with Juan Pablo Montoya 2003 is awesome. This event was rains shortened. I watched it live, but for some reason can't find the entire event on YT.
on iracing Watkins Glen full course is a blast to drive in and would provide very amazing racing however I doubt the Glen is up to the safety standard f1 wants, it would be the fastest track on the f1 schedule and there is not much runoff
I know that comment is 11 years old, but that comment is complete bullshit. F1 has turned into follow the leader. F1 was great while Senna was racing and about 1/2 way into MS's career...then it went to shit. 7 out of 12 races (so far in 2024) have been won by MV...follow the money. There are more passes for the lead in one NASCAR race than there is in an entire F1 season.
Oh look, another NASCAR vs F1 fanwar. Both sides are being moronic. May I first say that although both series lack TCS/ASR, it's worse in terms of tire wear on the stockcar due to the higher torque that comes from the higher displacement and lower revs (around 685lb-ft for the stockcar compared to around 250 lb-ft of the F1 car of that era.), which would make wheelspin that much more of a problem (not to say that it isn't in F1. (I fucking swear, if anybody dare uses how high an engine can rev as an argument, I'm going to facepalm hard.) Both series also lack ABS. Still, it's fundamentally harder for the stock car to stop even before different aero forces and the tires are put into play simply because of the higher weight of the stock car. However, the difference in total grip (between mechanical and aero) between speeds for the stock car and the open-wheeler is much more drastic for the latter, mainly because of how very reliant the Formula 1 car is on aerodynamic grip in comparison to the stock car, which is also the main cause for the F1's wheelspin. Technology is really a moot point (admit it F1 fans, you're bitching about the current V6s). Yes, the idea of an OHV crossplane V8 dates back to decades, but even then nowadays in the stock car, this concept is hyperdeveloped (anybody who knows a thing about the two knows that 8700 RPM is a range outside of the norm for both top-end and bottom-end concepts even in racing). Revs are just a number for show anyways, and I could go on about the disadvantages for revving higher. Now the drivers, I'd say they're roughly equal. Put them in equal machinery that isn't a open-wheeler or a NASCAR-esque stock car, like a Daytona Prototype or a GT3 car and see how they fare. To say that one is better than the other when comparing them in machinery that one of the two would be used to is biased.
Cmon Peeps .. stop acting like Smoke never laid hands on a fast wheel before .. the only reason he was driving slow .. was safety ! partly wet track and a develish fast car at the Glen where theres armco barriers just about everywhere .. smoke wanted to live and he aint stupid thats all
Of course he wasn't driving as fast as he wanted to, the track was damp, an unfamiliar million dollar race car in front of friends and family no way he's taking a chance to look like a fool.
Guys calm down, this was not a race or a comparison of drivers it was a friendly swap experience. it was raining when they started so lewis beat tonys time in tonys car and tony beat lewis time etc . They didn't care about that or swap from wets to slicks. Lewis had not even bothered to know how to turn the car on or check out the track design. Tony had raced the track before, it was fun and about comparison of car types not speed or drivers..
+Godfather The rules dictate what the equipment equates to if that's what you mean. Now if you are talking driving talent...I would not be so quick to start that whole "F1 drivers are the greatest in the world" crap. It seems that on more than one occasion a driver competing in a USA motorsport series has drove an F1 car and been fast right out of the gate. Made it look easy....Jeff Gordon...Paul Tracy. Makes you wonder how fast they would be with countless hours of Euro style practice. Same goes for the whole horse racing thing as well.
+Todd Johnson f1 drivers are known all over the world, the only nascar drivers I knew were Kimi and Montoya only because they were f1 drivers as well hahaha honestly in my opinion nascar is crap I just can't watch it and tbh any North American dominated sports baseball, basketball, ice hockey and that game they call football but it's more like hand-egg. It just doesn't do it for me.
Bruh, he has some sprint car experience, which is basically him, a fat man, boxed inside a small ass cockpit. He kinda has experience of being squeezed
fair play to him just getting a f1 car around a track without spinning is pretty hard and considering hes used to nascar racing he did very well to be able to jump in that and not wipe out
Both drivers posted a faster lap time in eachother's cars at the end of the day and running on your own is substantially different than running with a bunch of other guys around you. Anyone can get in either car and after they get the feel for it can post fast laps left and right. But when you put them on the field with other competiters then the real challenge kicks in. NASCAR is about navigating through heavy traffic and car control. F1 is about driver endurance and in certain cases reflexes.
good to see nascar and f1 drivers getting along, I think the rivalry between the two is really just the fans talking shit. There is nothing like a nice day at the track hearing those beautiful V8's, and theres nothing like sitting down on a weekend and watching F1 (: I love both!!!
I always laugh when Nascar guys (Gordon, JJ, Tony Stewart) get out of F1 cars and they're grinning from ear to ear and can't stop smiling. Then the F1 drivers get out of a Nascar and politely say, "oh, that was, um...fun."
Be careful with the sarcasm. There's a LONG list of F1 drivers, race winners, and champions who not only failed in NASCAR (including the road courses), but have also lost to NASCAR drivers in other disciplines.
@@jasonwiggins6137 where's the sarcasm? And when has a Nascar driver ever even made it to the lower ladder of the Formula 1 series (Formula 3)? I know of a number of former F1 drivers who could no longer hack it in F1, who then went to Nascar and won, but I know of no Nascar driver who's been able to make it in Formula 1. Even 7x Nascar champ, Jimmie Johnson, is languishing in the back of IndyCar races. When Jeff Gordon tested JPM's Williams a number of years ago, Frank Williams told him he would need to start out at F3 and move to Formula 2 before he could get acclimated to the extreme speeds of Formula 1.
@@mattadorno6452 they're completely uninterested in Nascar. If they were, they'd do the DTM (German Touring Car) series, which is closed roof cars that are similar in nature to Nascar, but only drive proper road course racing circuits. If F1 drivers view IndyCar as a lower racing series, which it clearly is, than they view Nascar as much lower than IndyCar.
@@bkeen7013 You'll have to do better than that. No NASCAR driver has ever showed interest in F1. Very few Americans ever have. There's F1, and then there's American motorsports. American drivers make just as much money, most of the time more, than F1 drivers. Why uproot your life, move overseas and take the risk? Only Hamilton made more money than Jr., Gordon, and Johnson in recent years. In the 90's, only Schumacher made more than Earnhardt Sr. There's no incentive. You're also wrong about Gordon. Jeff was to run two years in CART for Team Green then make the leap straight to F1. CART was a feeder series to F1 bypassing the European series'. Ever heard of Montoya and Jaques Villeneuve? Even American open wheel drivers choose to stay in the U.S. rather than travel overseas. A.J. Foyt said he wasn't the type to wear a three piece suit for breakfast and then change into a drivers uniform to race shortly thereafter. Al Unser Jr. never put any serious thought into it, even though there was interested F1 parties. Jimmy Vasser was another. Jackie Stewart saw Gordon's ability at a young age, but he couldn't compete with the money offered from Ford. Speaking of Stewart, go watch the early years of the IROC series where Pearson and Allison are racing door to door, and often beating F1 drivers on road courses in Porsche race cars. Check out Carl Edwards embarrass Schumacher and TV hosts when he beat him on an indoor road course. Let's travel back in time when current F1 drivers would make failed attempts to qualify, and race in NASCAR in the 60's and 70's. How about NASCAR drivers winning the 12hrs of Sebring and the 24hrs of Daytona with F1 drivers in the field on multiple occasions and in multiple series'. Here's the funniest issue, F1 fans disagree with F1 drivers on NASCAR drivers skills. It's hilarious. Juan and Kimi have put it brilliantly! I'm a fan of both. There's two types of drivers. One who excels in one discipline, and one who excels in all disciplines. Anyone who claims that a NASCAR driver couldn't succeed in F1, doesn't have the data or F1 drivers opinions on their side.
If you think he's pussing out you should look at Schumacher on the first day testing his new F1 car for the year. He starts off slow for at least 2 laps. This guy is doing well by not spinning, and if you have seen journalists and other such types driving F1 cars you'll know he's clearly doing infinitely better than the average driver (you). Despite what your imagination says, in wet conditions driving F1 for the first time you would bin it on the first corner.
I actually agree. It would be an amazing track to drive by yourself, but to actually race on it would be a real pain. Not a lot of heavy braking zones so nowhere to really outbrake. And too many high speed corners makes following another car difficult.
Agree. It is an awesome and proper track for F1, but the only problem is that the circuit is in the middle of nowhere in upstate western NY hence it offers very limited entertainment outside the circuit and doesn't have very modern accommodation facilities to today's F1 fans.
They could always update the paddock and add more seating. Also it is only a couple of hours outside of Buffalo. Suzuka is over 4 hours away from Tokyo and 2 hours away from Osaka. Really wish F1 will return here someday
Driving 2 1/2 hours each way from the Glen to Buffalo and vice versa is not something most people want to do on a 3-day event like Formula 1. Buffalo is not even an interesting city to be honest (they have the Niagara falls at least). Japan has a high density population, especially the region around Suzuka, so fans come from everywhere not just Tokyo or Osaka. Plus, Japan has a very extensive, affordable, fast and highly efficient rail network, so most people arrive and leave by train and buses and there are plenty of entertainment in and around the circuit as well as great hotels close by. The Glens is in the same situation that made Magny-cours circuit a commercial failure to host F1.
F1 raced at this track for around 20 years up until the 80's. But I agree it would be cool to see it return. Unfortunately, this track is probably considered too unsafe.
Man ... I can't imagine driving one of those gorgeous beasts. I get scared just watching them do it on the TV. Good job Mr. Stewart. I'd be going around that track at about 3mph.
How soon we forget folks........ Tony Stewart raced BOTH Sprint Cars AND Indy Cars (very similar to F1 Cars) before he was ever involved in NASCAR racing. In fact, in 1999 Tony Stewart raced in BOTH the Indianapolis 500 AND the Coca-Cola 600 on the same day, just hours apart. Five drivers have attempted to compete in both races in the same day; four drivers have started both races, but Tony Stewart remains the only driver to ever finish both races to this day.
They've sterilized F1 to the point where there isn't enough room to expand the track sides for safety. Plus, Watkin's Glen guard rails are so dangerous they would kill every driver who touched them.
They're actually not easy to drive. They have so much torque that is really hard to drive fast out of turns without oversteer. Right here Tony is probably 5-7 seconds off Lewis's pace per lap.
"That guy" is Steve Matchett...former Benetton mechanic and author who is the color commentator on the American TV F1 broadcasts. Maybe he could be forgiven for saying "we."
If F1 was rule free, the engineers would create cars that could take corners so fast, they would generate way more g-forces than the human body can tolerate. You would need computers to drive them.
robsteries F1 is already a pretty bad case of "follow the leader" if you remove regulations it would only get worse. Who the hell wants to see some guy with the most money win every single race? That's not even a sport.
no turbos. bring back the 2.4. NO effing ERS- this is racing not commuting ..There is enough available technology and tons of engine builders out there
If Tony Stewart went to F1 in 1999 instead of NASCAR, he would be a World Champion, without a doubt. Tony is the kind of guy that wins no matter what he drives.
Here's the thing, on ovals the nature of taking the turns is actually more precise because the turns are longer, in a hairpin turn if you miss the apex by a few feet odds are you'll only hold up the guy behind you. On an oval if you miss the apex (Martinsville is the exception to this rule) then another guy will pass you because that's how passing is done on ovals, from the center off under acceleration.
I just have to say that with the talent of Stewart, Gordon, and Johnson, I would love to see them compete in F1. It's too bad that the US F1 team fell through. There is a great pool of talent in the US, but a majority of drivers here go into stock car racing instead of open wheel racing.
And it was a damp track. What people don't realize is there is a MASSIVE difference between an F1 car and Stock Car, and even though T.S. has a lot of experience in open-wheel, that was nearly a decade ago. You can't expect any driver to hop in to an F1 car and just BAM! Instant records!!! It's just silly. T.S. did a great job with the car, and I'm envious.
Indy car champ nascar champ. Wish they would have let him into their cool kids club he would have come away with a championship. Atleast 1 i may not be tonys biggest fan but dude can drive the wheels off anything.
All good my man! The thing with NASCAR is that its popularity in the US varies depending on the region of the US. I try to get into "soccer" every four years during the Cup but...well. I do greatly respect the sport and its fans though. My father is a HUGE soccer fan..Devils of the German Bundesliega (spelling)! I want to visit that F1 track in Germany so bad! Silverstone up your way looks awesome too!
True that! Anybody says Barrichello sucks doesn't know shit about Formula 1! Is like saying anybody in the Michael Jordan era sucks because they didn't get a ring (like Charles Barkley).
Well considering this little exibition was to get Nascar fans into a F1 and vice versa, it makes sense that they would explain basic stuff to any f1 newcomers watching.
Thx skyline. Not sure what his deal is really. He's rabid in his comments...like overboard. Good-natured needling is ok between the continents...I do it with my family all the time. I like the UK, I like UK cars, and would like to visit sometime. I'm American but most of my family is German. I'd love to go to Germany to visit my family someday when I have more time. I'd like to pay a visit to Italy too! I might stay away from the UK in light of the fisherman. Yikes!
Lewis' lap in the stock car was also too slow. Knowing the course has nothing to do with it considering that both drivers used iRacing to train for this event because the last thing you want to do is tear up a car at an event like this. That's probably another reason Tony wasn't pushing so hard, he didn't want to tear up the car because even though it may be from 2008 it still costs millions and if he wrecked it he'd probably be the one picking up the bill.
And they weren’t Formula 1 Champions either. And he was driving for a very well funded Kyle Busch team. The same team that almost wins ever race Busch enters on the feeder circuit. Danica Patrick finished 8th at Daytona in a very well funded team, but nothing really since. She sucks in stock cars. One decent run doesn't determine success. I give Kimi credit though, after finishing 27th and 4 laps down in his next race, he knew Stock Car racing wasn't for him.
NASCAR drivers are so much better than F1 drivers. Not only do NASCAR drivers race on ovals and road courses, they have to pilot a vehicle that is 2,000 lbs. heavier, and endure longer races and schedules. Plus look at all the open wheel drivers that have failed in NASCAR, former F1 champion JP Montoya, and Franchitti and Sam Hornish. Also a few years Carl Edwards handily beat Michael Schumacher in the ROC. That was a good one.
Easier to drive than in the 80s? Sure. But the current cars are beasts. Jeff Gordon has ALL of the karting accomplishments required to drive an F1 car. He's d@mn good and can drive the wheels off of any conventional vehicle using feel and dead reckoning. No need for "feeler" laps. But he couldn't just hop in a F1 car and have ANY hope of driving at a mid pack pace. Same goes if you toss L. Hamilton into the Daytona 500. He can drive the car...But he couldn't hope to compete right away.
Uhm I want to see you driving one lap in a nascar at the limit man... You have almost no downforce in a Nascar and you can still go faster than 190 mph. You need to be carefull on the throttle and keep it on the track. A car with downforce is kinda "easier" to drive at the limit because you have a really high limit and if you are fast enough you doesn't need to think about if it is loose or tight. And in Nascar you have 43 cars that are "identical" it's about the driver not about the engine :P
I like Piquet and Fittipaldi. I've met Emerson and Jackie Stewart (both had major '70's sideburns but they both respected CART/NASCAR). I just hate F1 "fanboys" who think anything other than F1 is worthless. F1 is competetive this year but there are still suck-ass tracks (Dubai, Hungary...). Interlagos is a challenge technically but it looks like it was designed by gardeners. Bruno Senna has so far what..run over a dog?
Barrichello and Massa fail? Bullshit. They both were fucking unlucky. Barrichello was unlucky cause he was in the same team as Michael Schumacher. Schumi was the king in Ferrari, he was always the number one driver and that is a fact. He was a more marketable driver, because he is from Germany. Massa was awesome until Barrichello's spring hit him in the head. And apparently you've never heard of Nelson Piquet and Emerson Fittipaldi. Bruno Senna ain't half bad. Nelson Piquet Jr. is shit though.
The Indy 500 may be the most prestigous race but it's still just that, a race. Tony has also never won the Daytona 500 yet he's considered a huge success in NASCAR. Dale Earnhardt also failed to win the Daytona 500 for 19 years yet he was considered one of the greatest NASCAR drivers who ever lived. Failing to win the most prestigious race does not make you a failure, it just means there was one race you never won.
I never said Tony was faster I said he posted a faster lap time and this more than likely was due to luck as was Lewis' lap time in the stock car. Tony if he had gone to F1 instead of NASCAR would likely have been a solid competiter at least due to his extensive open wheel racing experience. Both drivers did a respectable job for first attempts but that was just driving fast and everyone knows there's a difference between driving fast and racing.
Too cowardly to allow me to prove you wrong again so you remove your other comment? First of all it's not called a "nascar" and people who refer to it as such prove there that their knowledge of the sport is minimal at best, do you call a pro football player "an NFL"? Tony also posted a faster lap time than Lewis in the F1 car and don't use the excuse "The track was wet" because even though that ws the case the track hadn't dried much by the time Tony got in the F1 car.
It's funny how people are all bent outta shape because he's driving slow.
1. It's a publicity run
2. It's kinda wet
3. Watkins Glen has almost no runoff so if you go off you're probably gonna hit something
+dcdude345 Yup. And it's also a $20M+ car and not his. Pretty sure they also detuned it a bit cause it's wet and it's a demo.
Still damn cool though. Hell, imagine just one race, just for demo/kicks, where Nascars went from 358s down to 186 ci (3L) V10 F1 engines based on 2003-2005 designs. Imagine the sound inferno, holy hell. Don't even care if they got slower because of way less torque and probably 100-150 less hp as well. That sound was divine at Hockenheim in 2004.
1. He's a nascar driver
2. The track turns in other directions than left. That direction is called right
Foreverwotlk they literally run this track on the NASCAR schedule
SirWalrusCauliflower, they run the short course. They don’t run the boot, but that could change in the near future.
Americans cannot drive compared to the Europeans and the Latin Americans. They get their asses kicked in Indy/Cart.
I love all of the "he is driving too slow ccomments". He is still going faster than any of ever would be able to. Id like to see him get back in an IndyCar, a real IndyCar not that crap IRL pig he drove in 97. But the new ones which are inching ever so slowly but getting closer to the glory days.
he's going slow you tool
ragasdapper oh boy internet tough guy here!
Yes he is going slow. But he could go faster if he wanted to. He is not using all the road intentionally. He's making sure he won't crash. It's wise on a track like this.
@@RaceActionNL It's also slightly wet, he's using a portion of the track he hasn't raced on as much before, this is one of his first times in an F1 car, this is a publicity run... multiple reasons he isn't going flat out.
...as he comes to grips with this strange technology. LOL
this is why i love stewart he can drive anything
Not a word about how he's doing. Announcers just love to hear their own voices.
be that as it may, some pretty amazing drivers from other sports have come to nascar and struggle to perform. Montoya and Riakkonen for example.
IT LOOKS LIKE HAMILTON DRIVING WITH HANDBRAKE ON ...
They were using wet tires on a wet tune.the track wasn't very wet but was just like a drop of water then eat tune is a dry tune running intermediate tires or softs
Thats the cup series. Nationwide has another 2 and the trucks have another. Than there is the 3 series outside the US that are road corse based.
And I guess you didn't know that Mario Andretti wasn't born in the US, he was born in Italy
it's funny to hear the speaker. he's clueless!!
Nice to see the collaboration between NASCAR and F1, I feel like the drivers of both have a massive respect for each other, just a shame that some F1 fans can be a bit ignorant to the skill of NASCAR drivers sometimes. (Coming from an F1 fan who hasn't watched a full NASCAR race btw)
Check out one race of each kind, NASCAR has small medium and large tracks. Talladega is legendary, Daytona as well, check out a bristol or Martinsville short track race and we do road courses too.
Jeff Gordon Trades Paint with Juan Pablo Montoya 2003 is awesome. This event was rains shortened. I watched it live, but for some reason can't find the entire event on YT.
Take f1 back to the glen....
yes
+Ryan Wile agree 100%
Two words: Road. America.
i wouldn't mind seeing them race at Sonoma. that hairpin and the s turn
on iracing Watkins Glen full course is a blast to drive in and would provide very amazing racing
however I doubt the Glen is up to the safety standard f1 wants, it would be the fastest track on the f1 schedule and there is not much runoff
you arent a true motor enthusiast unless you can appreciate both sports
Hello there after 10 years😅
@@Niclass_08hello there after 5 months
I'll do, even honestly, NASCAR time isn't ever friendly for me, except Night race because it's make me the Morning Glory
I know that comment is 11 years old, but that comment is complete bullshit. F1 has turned into follow the leader. F1 was great while Senna was racing and about 1/2 way into MS's career...then it went to shit. 7 out of 12 races (so far in 2024) have been won by MV...follow the money. There are more passes for the lead in one NASCAR race than there is in an entire F1 season.
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I bet he was smiling the hole time lol
shannon231291 I would simultaneously be shitting and jizzing my pants at the pure power of the car.
Tony did such a great job, considering it`s his first time driving an F1 racing car.
1:44 that sound right there - I love it!!!
Oh look, another NASCAR vs F1 fanwar. Both sides are being moronic.
May I first say that although both series lack TCS/ASR, it's worse in terms of tire wear on the stockcar due to the higher torque that comes from the higher displacement and lower revs (around 685lb-ft for the stockcar compared to around 250 lb-ft of the F1 car of that era.), which would make wheelspin that much more of a problem (not to say that it isn't in F1. (I fucking swear, if anybody dare uses how high an engine can rev as an argument, I'm going to facepalm hard.)
Both series also lack ABS. Still, it's fundamentally harder for the stock car to stop even before different aero forces and the tires are put into play simply because of the higher weight of the stock car.
However, the difference in total grip (between mechanical and aero) between speeds for the stock car and the open-wheeler is much more drastic for the latter, mainly because of how very reliant the Formula 1 car is on aerodynamic grip in comparison to the stock car, which is also the main cause for the F1's wheelspin.
Technology is really a moot point (admit it F1 fans, you're bitching about the current V6s). Yes, the idea of an OHV crossplane V8 dates back to decades, but even then nowadays in the stock car, this concept is hyperdeveloped (anybody who knows a thing about the two knows that 8700 RPM is a range outside of the norm for both top-end and bottom-end concepts even in racing). Revs are just a number for show anyways, and I could go on about the disadvantages for revving higher.
Now the drivers, I'd say they're roughly equal. Put them in equal machinery that isn't a open-wheeler or a NASCAR-esque stock car, like a Daytona Prototype or a GT3 car and see how they fare. To say that one is better than the other when comparing them in machinery that one of the two would be used to is biased.
You mind if I screenshot this?
Oh this comment did not age well...
Cmon Peeps .. stop acting like Smoke never laid hands on a fast wheel before ..
the only reason he was driving slow .. was safety ! partly wet track and a develish fast car at the Glen where theres armco barriers just about everywhere .. smoke wanted to live and he aint stupid thats all
Of course he wasn't driving as fast as he wanted to, the track was damp, an unfamiliar million dollar race car in front of friends and family no way he's taking a chance to look like a fool.
Guys calm down, this was not a race or a comparison of drivers it was a friendly swap experience. it was raining when they started so lewis beat tonys time in tonys car and tony beat lewis time etc . They didn't care about that or swap from wets to slicks. Lewis had not even bothered to know how to turn the car on or check out the track design. Tony had raced the track before, it was fun and about comparison of car types not speed or drivers..
miss the scream of the old engines.
V8s sounded good, V10s sounded like a squadron of dive bombers about melt your ears.
how they managed to fit stewart in a super tight f1 car is beyond me :D
Bloody 'ell, F1 needs to go back to the Glen.
Let's be honest america, f1 is another level to nascar
No shit Sherlock
+Keith Garcia its godfather not Sherlock
+Godfather The rules dictate what the equipment equates to if that's what you mean. Now if you are talking driving talent...I would not be so quick to start that whole "F1 drivers are the greatest in the world" crap. It seems that on more than one occasion a driver competing in a USA motorsport series has drove an F1 car and been fast right out of the gate. Made it look easy....Jeff Gordon...Paul Tracy. Makes you wonder how fast they would be with countless hours of Euro style practice. Same goes for the whole horse racing thing as well.
+Todd Johnson f1 drivers are known all over the world, the only nascar drivers I knew were Kimi and Montoya only because they were f1 drivers as well hahaha honestly in my opinion nascar is crap I just can't watch it and tbh any North American dominated sports baseball, basketball, ice hockey and that game they call football but it's more like hand-egg. It just doesn't do it for me.
+Todd Johnson nascar's are great machines though I give you that but driving in a circle just doesn't do it for me.
his going pretty fast for a NASCAR driver.. f1 is another level of tickles down your spine from all the downforce
Tony is also an Indycar and Dirt Racing guy so he’s used to open wheeled racing as well.
He's not going to go full speed in a publicity run in a car that is not his. He knows how to drive lol.
Tony is an Indy champion lol
Liam McQuaid there’s a difference between open wheel’s suh as indy500 and formula1 though😂
I bet F1 drivers would run slow af too at an oval.
Im surprised Tony actually fit inside the Maclaren
Bruh, he has some sprint car experience, which is basically him, a fat man, boxed inside a small ass cockpit. He kinda has experience of being squeezed
fair play to him just getting a f1 car around a track without spinning is pretty hard and considering hes used to nascar racing he did very well to be able to jump in that and not wipe out
i think he's doing this in the wet and he is actually also an indycar champion
he is getting right up to speed! np silly commentator.. you dont know the true speed of an F1-car.. he is just turteling around!
Race lap record 1:22.4171 (Scott Dixon, Chip Ganassi Racing -No.9 Honda- Honda, 2017, IndyCar Series)
Both drivers posted a faster lap time in eachother's cars at the end of the day and running on your own is substantially different than running with a bunch of other guys around you. Anyone can get in either car and after they get the feel for it can post fast laps left and right. But when you put them on the field with other competiters then the real challenge kicks in. NASCAR is about navigating through heavy traffic and car control. F1 is about driver endurance and in certain cases reflexes.
Correction, There is no circles on the schedule. We do have Ovals, Rectangles, Triangles, Tri-Ovals though.
good to see nascar and f1 drivers getting along, I think the rivalry between the two is really just the fans talking shit. There is nothing like a nice day at the track hearing those beautiful V8's, and theres nothing like sitting down on a weekend and watching F1 (:
I love both!!!
tony drove better in the f1 then Hamilton did in the stock car.
The track is boring, I don't see the fascination with it at all
I always laugh when Nascar guys (Gordon, JJ, Tony Stewart) get out of F1 cars and they're grinning from ear to ear and can't stop smiling. Then the F1 drivers get out of a Nascar and politely say, "oh, that was, um...fun."
Be careful with the sarcasm. There's a LONG list of F1 drivers, race winners, and champions who not only failed in NASCAR (including the road courses), but have also lost to NASCAR drivers in other disciplines.
The F1 guys need to go out on an oval and get in a pack of other cars to really get nascar.
@@jasonwiggins6137 where's the sarcasm? And when has a Nascar driver ever even made it to the lower ladder of the Formula 1 series (Formula 3)? I know of a number of former F1 drivers who could no longer hack it in F1, who then went to Nascar and won, but I know of no Nascar driver who's been able to make it in Formula 1. Even 7x Nascar champ, Jimmie Johnson, is languishing in the back of IndyCar races. When Jeff Gordon tested JPM's Williams a number of years ago, Frank Williams told him he would need to start out at F3 and move to Formula 2 before he could get acclimated to the extreme speeds of Formula 1.
@@mattadorno6452 they're completely uninterested in Nascar. If they were, they'd do the DTM (German Touring Car) series, which is closed roof cars that are similar in nature to Nascar, but only drive proper road course racing circuits. If F1 drivers view IndyCar as a lower racing series, which it clearly is, than they view Nascar as much lower than IndyCar.
@@bkeen7013 You'll have to do better than that. No NASCAR driver has ever showed interest in F1. Very few Americans ever have. There's F1, and then there's American motorsports. American drivers make just as much money, most of the time more, than F1 drivers. Why uproot your life, move overseas and take the risk? Only Hamilton made more money than Jr., Gordon, and Johnson in recent years. In the 90's, only Schumacher made more than Earnhardt Sr. There's no incentive. You're also wrong about Gordon. Jeff was to run two years in CART for Team Green then make the leap straight to F1. CART was a feeder series to F1 bypassing the European series'. Ever heard of Montoya and Jaques Villeneuve? Even American open wheel drivers choose to stay in the U.S. rather than travel overseas. A.J. Foyt said he wasn't the type to wear a three piece suit for breakfast and then change into a drivers uniform to race shortly thereafter. Al Unser Jr. never put any serious thought into it, even though there was interested F1 parties. Jimmy Vasser was another. Jackie Stewart saw Gordon's ability at a young age, but he couldn't compete with the money offered from Ford. Speaking of Stewart, go watch the early years of the IROC series where Pearson and Allison are racing door to door, and often beating F1 drivers on road courses in Porsche race cars. Check out Carl Edwards embarrass Schumacher and TV hosts when he beat him on an indoor road course. Let's travel back in time when current F1 drivers would make failed attempts to qualify, and race in NASCAR in the 60's and 70's. How about NASCAR drivers winning the 12hrs of Sebring and the 24hrs of Daytona with F1 drivers in the field on multiple occasions and in multiple series'. Here's the funniest issue, F1 fans disagree with F1 drivers on NASCAR drivers skills. It's hilarious. Juan and Kimi have put it brilliantly! I'm a fan of both. There's two types of drivers. One who excels in one discipline, and one who excels in all disciplines. Anyone who claims that a NASCAR driver couldn't succeed in F1, doesn't have the data or F1 drivers opinions on their side.
watkins glens is such a beautiful track. we should put in F1 calender!
1:45 in a f1 and they ask lewis what he thinks because he only ran 1:50 in the cup car. No shit?
Did it better than Richard Hammond
nice one tony .your dream comes true..Driving a real european car!!!!
Haha Its not a indy racing car
What is a fake European car?
If you think he's pussing out you should look at Schumacher on the first day testing his new F1 car for the year. He starts off slow for at least 2 laps. This guy is doing well by not spinning, and if you have seen journalists and other such types driving F1 cars you'll know he's clearly doing infinitely better than the average driver (you). Despite what your imagination says, in wet conditions driving F1 for the first time you would bin it on the first corner.
OK...the commentators definitely know little about F1- "he's going flat out!!!!"
No. Just no.
I actually agree. It would be an amazing track to drive by yourself, but to actually race on it would be a real pain. Not a lot of heavy braking zones so nowhere to really outbrake. And too many high speed corners makes following another car difficult.
Back when F1 cars were sexy and the engines screamed like banshees.
Guns, Muscle Cars and More Agreed!!
The track is still somewhat wet and the tires are wet, yeah I think for a first time that is "just fine".
f1 needs to come back to watkins glen..
if Tony would of raced in F1 I guarantee he would of won a lot of races the man will win at anything he climbs in
They should bring F1 to this track! Having driven it I can say this is my favorite track!
Sean Neal On iracing offical f1 series they race this track and it is indeed better than most f1 races in real life today
Agree. It is an awesome and proper track for F1, but the only problem is that the circuit is in the middle of nowhere in upstate western NY hence it offers very limited entertainment outside the circuit and doesn't have very modern accommodation facilities to today's F1 fans.
They could always update the paddock and add more seating. Also it is only a couple of hours outside of Buffalo. Suzuka is over 4 hours away from Tokyo and 2 hours away from Osaka.
Really wish F1 will return here someday
Driving 2 1/2 hours each way from the Glen to Buffalo and vice versa is not something most people want to do on a 3-day event like Formula 1. Buffalo is not even an interesting city to be honest (they have the Niagara falls at least). Japan has a high density population, especially the region around Suzuka, so fans come from everywhere not just Tokyo or Osaka. Plus, Japan has a very extensive, affordable, fast and highly efficient rail network, so most people arrive and leave by train and buses and there are plenty of entertainment in and around the circuit as well as great hotels close by. The Glens is in the same situation that made Magny-cours circuit a commercial failure to host F1.
F1 raced at this track for around 20 years up until the 80's. But I agree it would be cool to see it return. Unfortunately, this track is probably considered too unsafe.
Tony Stewart driving the gorgeous 2008 McLaren
Trivia: the f1 car has an Indycar camera that rotates round and round.
Man ... I can't imagine driving one of those gorgeous beasts. I get scared just watching them do it on the TV. Good job Mr. Stewart. I'd be going around that track at about 3mph.
How do you expect to do the first time you drive a Formula 1 car? Probably slower than Tony Stewart.
Tony Stewart is a natural. He could probably drive for F1 if he really wanted to
How soon we forget folks........ Tony Stewart raced BOTH Sprint Cars AND Indy Cars (very similar to F1 Cars) before he was ever involved in NASCAR racing. In fact, in 1999 Tony Stewart raced in BOTH the Indianapolis 500 AND the Coca-Cola 600 on the same day, just hours apart. Five drivers have attempted to compete in both races in the same day; four drivers have started both races, but Tony Stewart remains the only driver to ever finish both races to this day.
The only issue is that it's Tony that got to do this for the sport
They've sterilized F1 to the point where there isn't enough room to expand the track sides for safety. Plus, Watkin's Glen guard rails are so dangerous they would kill every driver who touched them.
Back when F1 cars actually sounded nice
Love the sound of these beasts and tony I thought did pretty damn good
they both posted faster times because it was wet.thanks for not being rude tho :)
You DO know NASCAR runs road courses as well right?
He's an extremely successfull road racer as well.
They're actually not easy to drive. They have so much torque that is really hard to drive fast out of turns without oversteer. Right here Tony is probably 5-7 seconds off Lewis's pace per lap.
I can't wait for 2014. New challenges, new possibilities... But yeah, I'd rather have that v12 or v10 sound over that v6
LOL where did you get 20000 RPM from.... its more like 12000 RPM
that guy keeps referring to f1 as 'we' - painful. Also to anyone who knows racing, knows he is braking incredibly early and slowly in that car.
probably to do with what hes used to in nascar
"That guy" is Steve Matchett...former Benetton mechanic and author who is the color commentator on the American TV F1 broadcasts. Maybe he could be forgiven for saying "we."
if F1 people (engineers, builders, ...) would be rule free, now that would be the race with real F1 technology and kraftsmanship!
If F1 was rule free, the engineers would create cars that could take corners so fast, they would generate way more g-forces than the human body can tolerate. You would need computers to drive them.
Luis Hernandez lovely , right!? :) And then those engineers would come with stuff to induce the g forces, and that would be awesome :)
robsteries F1 is already a pretty bad case of "follow the leader" if you remove regulations it would only get worse. Who the hell wants to see some guy with the most money win every single race? That's not even a sport.
+robsteries Lol, some reponses were great bullshit. :D
+Luis Hernandez It means drivers would drive slower altough the car would be able to go faster.
no turbos. bring back the 2.4. NO effing ERS- this is racing not commuting ..There is enough available technology and tons of engine builders out there
maybe, but imagine embarassment if he crashed :D
The MP4-23 was a stunner
If Tony Stewart went to F1 in 1999 instead of NASCAR, he would be a World Champion, without a doubt. Tony is the kind of guy that wins no matter what he drives.
I doubt that but he would definitely be winning races after getting some experience.
doubt
Here's the thing, on ovals the nature of taking the turns is actually more precise because the turns are longer, in a hairpin turn if you miss the apex by a few feet odds are you'll only hold up the guy behind you. On an oval if you miss the apex (Martinsville is the exception to this rule) then another guy will pass you because that's how passing is done on ovals, from the center off under acceleration.
I just have to say that with the talent of Stewart, Gordon, and Johnson, I would love to see them compete in F1. It's too bad that the US F1 team fell through. There is a great pool of talent in the US, but a majority of drivers here go into stock car racing instead of open wheel racing.
And it was a damp track. What people don't realize is there is a MASSIVE difference between an F1 car and Stock Car, and even though T.S. has a lot of experience in open-wheel, that was nearly a decade ago. You can't expect any driver to hop in to an F1 car and just BAM! Instant records!!! It's just silly. T.S. did a great job with the car, and I'm envious.
id like to see jeff gordon and tony stewart going at it in f1
3:47 "Tony, It's Lewis..."
oh wow, he was 5 seconds faster in the dry than Lewis was in the wet?? Apples to apples,
im pretty sure hamilton set the wet time in Tony stewarts stock car
hamiltons time was in the nascar
back when F1 sounded so great...
Since when is being 9 seconds slower than a 1980 F1 car "just fine"?
I would lOVE to see some more nascar races in actual race tracks. Soo much fun and awesome racing.
It may not of been the fastest but it looked very smooth.
too much ballast on board lol
Indy car champ nascar champ. Wish they would have let him into their cool kids club he would have come away with a championship. Atleast 1 i may not be tonys biggest fan but dude can drive the wheels off anything.
All good my man! The thing with NASCAR is that its popularity in the US varies depending on the region of the US. I try to get into "soccer" every four years during the Cup but...well. I do greatly respect the sport and its fans though. My father is a HUGE soccer fan..Devils of the German Bundesliega (spelling)! I want to visit that F1 track in Germany so bad! Silverstone up your way looks awesome too!
Uh Was it called the Indy IZOD championship back in 1997?! HELL NO!!! Please stop putting new sponsors on old franchises ......
I still cant believe he fit in that car!
Back to Austin for this year, but NJ and TX are booked for 2015 ( so I hear Trolls ). That's two American F1 races in a Season.
True that! Anybody says Barrichello sucks doesn't know shit about Formula 1! Is like saying anybody in the Michael Jordan era sucks because they didn't get a ring (like Charles Barkley).
Well considering this little exibition was to get Nascar fans into a F1 and vice versa, it makes sense that they would explain basic stuff to any f1 newcomers watching.
A driver with fear to accelerate one of the most fckng awesome cars in history. And a video thats not in HD
Ugh. No interview after the session? :-(
Thx skyline. Not sure what his deal is really. He's rabid in his comments...like overboard. Good-natured needling is ok between the continents...I do it with my family all the time. I like the UK, I like UK cars, and would like to visit sometime. I'm American but most of my family is German. I'd love to go to Germany to visit my family someday when I have more time. I'd like to pay a visit to Italy too! I might stay away from the UK in light of the fisherman. Yikes!
Lewis' lap in the stock car was also too slow. Knowing the course has nothing to do with it considering that both drivers used iRacing to train for this event because the last thing you want to do is tear up a car at an event like this. That's probably another reason Tony wasn't pushing so hard, he didn't want to tear up the car because even though it may be from 2008 it still costs millions and if he wrecked it he'd probably be the one picking up the bill.
And they weren’t Formula 1 Champions either. And he was driving for a very well funded Kyle Busch team. The same team that almost wins ever race Busch enters on the feeder circuit. Danica Patrick finished 8th at Daytona in a very well funded team, but nothing really since. She sucks in stock cars. One decent run doesn't determine success. I give Kimi credit though, after finishing 27th and 4 laps down in his next race, he knew Stock Car racing wasn't for him.
NASCAR drivers are so much better than F1 drivers. Not only do NASCAR drivers race on ovals and road courses, they have to pilot a vehicle that is 2,000 lbs. heavier, and endure longer races and schedules. Plus look at all the open wheel drivers that have failed in NASCAR, former F1 champion JP Montoya, and Franchitti and Sam Hornish. Also a few years Carl Edwards handily beat Michael Schumacher in the ROC. That was a good one.
Easier to drive than in the 80s? Sure.
But the current cars are beasts.
Jeff Gordon has ALL of the karting accomplishments required to drive an F1 car. He's d@mn good and can drive the wheels off of any conventional vehicle using feel and dead reckoning. No need for "feeler" laps. But he couldn't just hop in a F1 car and have ANY hope of driving at a mid pack pace.
Same goes if you toss L. Hamilton into the Daytona 500. He can drive the car...But he couldn't hope to compete right away.
Uhm I want to see you driving one lap in a nascar at the limit man... You have almost no downforce in a Nascar and you can still go faster than 190 mph. You need to be carefull on the throttle and keep it on the track. A car with downforce is kinda "easier" to drive at the limit because you have a really high limit and if you are fast enough you doesn't need to think about if it is loose or tight. And in Nascar you have 43 cars that are "identical" it's about the driver not about the engine :P
I like Piquet and Fittipaldi. I've met Emerson and Jackie Stewart (both had major '70's sideburns but they both respected CART/NASCAR). I just hate F1 "fanboys" who think anything other than F1 is worthless. F1 is competetive this year but there are still suck-ass tracks (Dubai, Hungary...). Interlagos is a challenge technically but it looks like it was designed by gardeners. Bruno Senna has so far what..run over a dog?
Barrichello and Massa fail? Bullshit. They both were fucking unlucky. Barrichello was unlucky cause he was in the same team as Michael Schumacher. Schumi was the king in Ferrari, he was always the number one driver and that is a fact. He was a more marketable driver, because he is from Germany. Massa was awesome until Barrichello's spring hit him in the head. And apparently you've never heard of Nelson Piquet and Emerson Fittipaldi. Bruno Senna ain't half bad. Nelson Piquet Jr. is shit though.
The Indy 500 may be the most prestigous race but it's still just that, a race. Tony has also never won the Daytona 500 yet he's considered a huge success in NASCAR. Dale Earnhardt also failed to win the Daytona 500 for 19 years yet he was considered one of the greatest NASCAR drivers who ever lived. Failing to win the most prestigious race does not make you a failure, it just means there was one race you never won.
I never said Tony was faster I said he posted a faster lap time and this more than likely was due to luck as was Lewis' lap time in the stock car. Tony if he had gone to F1 instead of NASCAR would likely have been a solid competiter at least due to his extensive open wheel racing experience. Both drivers did a respectable job for first attempts but that was just driving fast and everyone knows there's a difference between driving fast and racing.
Too cowardly to allow me to prove you wrong again so you remove your other comment? First of all it's not called a "nascar" and people who refer to it as such prove there that their knowledge of the sport is minimal at best, do you call a pro football player "an NFL"? Tony also posted a faster lap time than Lewis in the F1 car and don't use the excuse "The track was wet" because even though that ws the case the track hadn't dried much by the time Tony got in the F1 car.