I picked up my e-Niro just over three weeks ago - the best car I have ever owned and I love it. Range, instant torque when needed, comfort, interior space, greenness and above all economy. With the Octopus night tariff of just 5p/kWh and getting a return of around 5 miles/kWh means I can drive from the middle of Devon to London for just £2 - all without emitting an ounce of carbon dioxide or other noxious gases and particulates.
@@ram64man - it is in my area as well, but generally 4 hours is quite adequate to top back up to 80%+. If I need a serious top up for a long journey the following day, then I will visit my local Podpoint Rapid which is currently on free vend :-)
Great review. I think you hit the nail on the head when you said it was big enough to be a family car... if you have a family. My Kona is plenty big enough for me without a family. I much prefer the interior of the Kona also. But the great thing is that we now have a choice. thanks.
@@HenriZwols Yes and that is important for a lot of people, but not all. A bigger car is a negative for me. That is why I say it is great that we have a choice.
The REAL difference in interior seating space is almost nothing! Typical hair-splitting BS. If you can git in a Niro back seat you can fit in a Kona. Same for the front seat. The rear cargo space is like 6 cm longer on the Niro....that's less than 3 inches for people from the educated world.
The Kona electric was the car I wanted to like. I loved the look and feel, both inside and outside with on major exception. Front leg room on the E-Niro was head and shoulders (so to speak) over the Kona because of the massive middle console on the Kona - just got in the way of my right leg/knee. The front space of the E-Niro is massive. Also, with a rather large dog - Galgo Español - the E-Niro was way ahead with trunk (boot) space. So, E-Niro it is and am super satisfied.
I've been torn between the E-Niro, the Kona and the Leaf plus for weeks now. I think you've helped call it for me. My biggest concern was the back seat space and boot. Thanks for this video.
Thank you for your videos. With reference to the MG electric I have had an MG3 for 5 years with no problems. My brother in law has had an MG6 for 4 years with one minor problem which was sorted under guarantee and we drove down to Spain and back it didn't miss a beat, and now they are giving a 7 year warranty and if the price is as competitive as I expect I think they are very worthy of a consideration. And yes the residual values will be a bit less but to get a vehicle with the same spec I would have to spend about £3,000 more which stays in my bank not devaluing so if you add that money on to the residual value it makes up for it. Looking forward to a test drive when available.
I've had my eye on this car since I first heard about it. Currently driving a 24kWh Leaf Tekna and, whilst I like the Leaf 2.0 I don't think it comes anywhere near the e-Niro. Definitely top of the list for my next car.
I guess it's a GOOD THING to be watching video reviews comparing the Niro and Kona, because it means they've finally ARRIVED and what they have brought us are two VERY good cars! Demand here in California is equal to the sound you hear when someone is sucking the last of a milkshake through a straw! I keep checking various dealers and finding them in stock, then sold, and back in stock. I got my Kona back in March when they first hit the dealer in Fresno, CA. It's a FABULOUS car!
Collect my e-Niro three weeks ago, 2500miles on the clock now. I bought this to sit alongside a Niro PHEV which I also own and have found it to be excellent, I drive on varied roads including motorways and see well over 300 miles on a charge, no range concerns at all. It's a pleasure to drive, clearly more powerful than the PHEV, with no compromise in real day top day use. It's a shame Kia (and all manufactures) have failed to deliver enough to the market.
I have an E-Niro on order.Will probably get it early next year.While i like the look of the Tesla model 3 i don’t like the single point of failure display that controls everything.I prefer buttons dials and discrete instruments.
I cancelled my e-Niro reservation after my dealer told me I was first in line (for 4 months!!) and then relegated me to second in line (meaning no car until Q3 2019) just days before the cars arrived. I wouldn't in principle give Kia my money after that experience. Pre- ordered the VW ID.3 which is claimed to have the interior space of a Passat. Our Kona arrives next month so we won't suffer waiting!
Had mine 2 weeks now. On Saturday I drove from the south coast to the Nottingham EVs meet up. 191 miles at motorway speeds. Arrived in comfort after 3.5 hours with 58 miles left on the GOM. Just Love the car. So glad I took the punt with the deposit back in Jan.
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Had ours a few weeks. Around town seems to average out about 4.4 miles per kwh. Did a 330 mile round trip yesterday up to Sheffield and back. Virtually all on motorway. Cruise on at indicated 70. Few slower bits around Birmingham but just keeping with traffic. In ECO drive mode but lights on one way and climate on all the time. Ended up at just over 4 miles per kwh. No special efforts at economy driving. Very happy so far. Hope KIA can deliver some more. Seems odd to have spent some much effort on worldwide launch without the capacity to meet demand. Car is a good size and so far hasn't required us to make any changes in the way we use a car
Yeah looking forward to seeing cars like the MG eZS. Its the price range the majority will go for. People like me who care nothing about types of plastics used in the interior and whose family treats it like a bin anyhow :) I just want a quite drive , good range and space for bags.
I have just put a deposit on my e-Niro. Loved it during the test drive and agree with your comments in this video. The only thing that could be improved is the waiting time.
Yes, a great EV. Pity you can't buy one as Kia, like Hyundai, won't sell you one! The number of cars allocated to the UK is pitifully small and a disgrace. They are not helping the EV cause at all with their attitude.
Nobody Significant Absolutely agree, I was interested in the Niro but due to the waiting list and a real lack of interest from the dealer I have pre ordered an I D 3. The only car I could get sooner would be a Model 3 so once the full VW specs come out later this year I can decide one way or another. I really can’t emphasise enough the poor attitude from the dealer regarding my interest in the Niro.
@@markevans4832 Desperately want an EV, but the models just aren't available freely enough yet. I was too late for the e-Kona or e-Niro, and even the pre-order waiting lists are now closed! Want/need an SUV sized vehicle, so am having to be patient. It's hard, but I am currently thinking the ID.Crozz is the way to go, although even pre-orders are maybe a year away at this stage? And I would prefer the 300-mile 74KWh version, so I may have to wait even longer? Who knows, by then, the Tesla Model-Y may even be available here in the UK...? Am just very frustrated that all the EV's we are promised are so extremely slow in actually being available to buy!
Same pathetic attitude in the U.S.! We can't even get on a waiting list! They have sold some 40 units in California and you must show a California residence to buy one. So we wait...
I work at a dealership in the states, and the companies focus is entirely on the telluride. It's their first attempt at a true luxury suv and theyre pumping mad resources into it. I wouldnt say they dont care at all though, otherwise the Niro wouldnt exist at all. They woulve just stayed with the ev soul and hybrid optima(the second of which isnt honestly all that great a vehicle)
Same way they treated me when I bought my LEAF five years ago. I knew more about the car than they did. They didn’t even know who Carlos Ghosn was 😏 if they sell your electric car from an ice manufacture and all the other cars are junk they don’t want to admit that yet
Test drove a Tesla 3 expecting to buy one. Seemed like a computer with wheels. Checked out the Niro EV and loved the look and every thing about the car. Bought it. Love it
1:00 the blanked-out grill is for aerodynamics. Made of plastic so they don’t have to have separate set of dies for the ev version. A normal grill would significantly reduce the Kms per kWh.
I bought a LEAF2 (40kw) as my first ever EV - really pleased, although at the dealers for things seven times in 18 months. Range was a bit of a restriction - cold weather motorways got under 100 miles. Went to look at LEAF+ and the dealer couldn't give a stuff about selling me one! Went to look at the I-Pace - too much and smaller than the LEAF. Had test driven the e-Niro when it first came out, but over a years wait. So when the local KIA dealership insist I come in as "They would be able to do me a deal" I did. Then they said - "all sold out - a years wait" I said they had wasted my and their time. Then he said "we have a 6 month old PX coming in, if I wanted to do the deal right there". After establishing why on earth someone would trade in an e-Niro at six months, I did the deal. So proud possessor of a 2000 mile 19 plate e-niro, and I am as happy as a pig in - well you know! Things I miss from the LEAF - e-pedal, the app (when it worked!) and pre-heat on battery. Absolutely everything else on the e-niro is better - and range!!!!! The LEAF for my regular winter commute would have been flat at around 100 ish miles - the e-niro does 110 miles on 50% battery. It's just superb - and with a bit of flappy paddle operation you can drive it one pedal. Although I agree about the "grill" - looks like a flattened golf ball!
Evm your videos are going from strength to strength. I am in nearly the same boat as you money wise and e-niro is top of my list right now with Kona close second. I have to wait until 2021 at the earliest before jumping to full ev, so I can wait to see if model 3 becomes affordable or ID3, seat elborn are good etc. But even then they’ll have a hard time competing with a 2 year old one of these. Keep up the good work and more vids with your mate as well please.
You didn't mention one of the most significant things about the e-Niro, namely that you can't get one! I placed an order three months ago and I guess I'm looking at mid-2020, by which time there'll probably be a new model with a different level of equipment and no doubt a very different price. On the other hand, I can probably have a Model 3 around July this year if I get on with it. Guess what's on my mind..... I've also put a reservation on the VW and I'm very much looking forward to getting some concrete information from the Frankfurt Show in September. I rather think I'll be asking for my deposit back though. Then of course there's there's the MG, which I think I have more faith in than you do, except for the poor range, and the expected upgrade to the Zoe. Confusing times.
Yep, even as a happy 2018 40kw Leaf owner, this and the Kona (and the upcoming longer range Ionic) make the e+ feel very DOA. Shame Nissan have dropped from 1st to last place in EV innovation.
No it hasn't. I own the E-plus and based on this video alone, I can see that nissan has a much better electronics suite (better 8'' display and presentation) compared to this car. Like you I am very happy Leaf owner with my 62kWh battery range and maxed out features of the SL package. I saw no mention of an autopilot feature set to match what Nissan has not to mention any sign of an e-pedal for the niro.
@@a.e.w.384 Fair comment, I guess it's stats vs real world experience. Yes the E-pedal is superbly implemented, I can't imagine that could be beaten on other EVs. Overall I love the car and I think the whole thing is brilliantly put together with very few flaws. I don't have Pro-pilot (mines an N-Connecta) but I looks v well done. All that said, I still think for someone looking at an EV right now, on sticker price vs range alone, the E+ looks outgunned value-wise by Niro & Kona and others on the way. I'd say my centre display is adequate, bit laggy and hardly hi-def by todays standards - I think they improved it a bit on the E+ did they? BTW I lease my Leaf, so I guess perhaps that affects my feelings about it, as in 2 years I will be looking at a replacement.
@@brucekennedy5274 Your points are valid. The display is not as fast and crisp of say a tesla but easily beats the niro. Furthermore the surround cameras are outstanding for both safety and awareness. The propilot featureset has been said by pro reviewers to match the best offerings outside of tesla. Plus the propilot has smoother responses compared to Niro's based on pro reviews. To me it's all about the kWh capacity of the battery. Since the LEAF has a 62kWh vs. Niro's 64kWh I don't see the big difference. The rated range is subject to driver and environment factors. So far with 400 miles travelled, my leaf has been saying I have been averaging 4mi per kW which would put me at 248 miles max range with the given driving profile. To be fair only a small percent has been high speed highway driving but let's also be fair, there is no way the niro is more aerodynamic than the LEAF. Also keep in mind these higher mile ranges stated by other cars (i.e. tesla) have been tested with 48 psi tires so who knows what apple to apple comparison of real world numbers can be for these cars. BTW another youtube reviewer did a real-world test between a tesla model 3 and a Leaf plus and discovered that both did the exact estimated energy consumption (@154 miles) for a given trip. The reviewers dismissed this by saying the model 3 had two motors, more power, etc etc (rolling eyes) thus making the tesla superior. Even I thought the leaf would have less in the tank after the trip but it didn't. Nissan finally got their guessometer working right. Don't dismiss the leaf plus when you are ready to buy again, I wouldn't be surprised if it's the best bang for the buck when you compare.
@@FFVoyager According to my dealer, no ship will arrive before March 2020. But then again, all you can do is guess, because KIA leaves even their dealers clueless. Or so they say...
@@djp3637 thanks for the info! That's something I haven't heard before. I still have to wait another 11 month anyways, I hope they get their stuff together in the meantime. :P
The e-Niro has a great and spacious interior compared to other cars. No doubt about it. That said, the more space the more you stock up all your bits and bobs that you actually never need in the car. When complaining about the "cheap plastic" e.g. in the Leaf and Kona, that is actually recyclable plastic and is used there for a reason. Sometimes luxuriant materials are there for your eyes only. The Piano black, there I totally agree. Fingerprint magnets. Now, the EVs develop faster than we have ever seen and you will always find a car that offers something more than your last. My advice is, after driving different cars in 40 years +, is to look for cars that doesn't have all those children diseases waiting to appear. ID.3 is full of it and so will ID. 4 have. Boring isn't always so bad. You get something called reliability if you offer some coolness factor. I can't afford and I don't want to jump into the next cool car because it's new and has some new ideas tweaked into it. The e-Niro is a great car and used as taxi here in Norway. So is the Leaf and Model x. Remember that most people don't want to sit down in a car, they want to sit into it. Cheers
eNiro over Kona Electric: bigger boot more usable storage bins fog lights, (but they’re not LED) plastic guided ISO fix points Kona Electric over eNiro LEDs all round greater potential range rear cross traffic alert blind spot monitoring & alert vented seats doesn’t look like weekly shopping car doesn’t have a steering wheel, with stitching so rough it chafes the thumbs possible upgrade of charging rate (but unlikely in UK spec.) possible future app (but unlikely in UK spec. ) If you need the extra space and don’t mind compromising on safety features. If you’re content to drive a car, that looks like every other SUV wannabe. Then the eNiro wins. If you can get by with less space. Maybe occasionally fitting a roof box, when you do need a bit extra space). And if you’re interested in having a safer car. Then the Kona wins the day. Note. The Niro and Hybrid versions do have an option to have LEDs all round. So the UK spec. not having them, was I think, a Monday morning or Friday night decision. Made by someone who’d just been fired.
It is a great car, I have driven it in January. Unfortunately it is not going to be available in Europe for the next 1+ year, because the number of cars arriving here are ridculously low. In one year however, there will be several similar options available. It might come (for the broader public) not very much earlier than the ID.3.
TbT - The place where I got a test drive. We’re sharing one vehicle among a dozen or more dealers, a couple of weeks at a time. The dealer told me they’d have one in sometime soon. But that was purely for showroom purposes and would absolutely not be for sale. On the plus side. He was enthusiastic about EVs and realistic about possible delivery times.
Good review. Same experiences as with mine. Solid and quick feel. Nice roomy back seats were a consideration for me. AWD option would have been a plus, but this will work for now.
Treading water yes, not waiting for solid state batteries though. That is like nuclear fusion - always promised for 5 years time. I remember reading about battery break throughs in 2010 and even then there were companies and people promising solid state batteries for 3-5 years time and saying not to invest in li-ion.
There are a lot of very bright people working on solid state batteries and batteries generally. My guess is they will be half the price per kWh in 5 years time and available in sufficient quantity.....even if they are shipped from the Far East.
Thanks guys for another great review..one that I was interested to see as I am 5,000 km into e-Niro ownership here. Your comparisons with the Model 3 are interesting but why bother?.... Even if I could have afforded one and it was available a saloon car is no good to me. The Kia is a practical hatchback/estate/mini SUV whatever you care to call it..exactly what we need here in rural France..It just wouldn’t seem right take stuff to the tip and bringing back mulch for the garden in a model 3, far too posh!
I have one since a couple of months and I really love it !!! This drives so smooth and is so fast it makes me smille everytime I drive it. When I now drive a petrol car, it feels like something of the past. It looks like a simple familycar, as you don’t reconize it directly as an electric car. Most fun is to drive up next to a sporty golf or bmw and then hit the “gas”pedal and just pull away like there standing still. Also range is perfect, you can drive over 400km without any worries. Last time I fully charged range said 470km, that’s more then the 455km that is given by Kia. Only problem I have now is what to choose next, because I never had such a perfect car 👍🏻
Yes I have a first edition e-Niro on order and so far no sign of it at all. I was the first in dealers to place the order on the 21st December 2018 and it's as frustrating as hell to be still waiting while others are getting theirs. It will be my first EV if it ever arrives!
If I could get one in the US in a non Zero Emission State to replace my leased 2016 LEAF, I would do it. However, availability is an issue. So, lease a 2019 LEAF or buy out the lease and wait for a Niro, that's the question.
How cheap is the e-Niro in UK? Here in Denmark it is only £3k cheaper than the Tesla Model 3 Standard+ (including AP). No way I would pick the Kia unless I really needed the space. Also remember you can have a visit to your "local" Tesla store to order the cheaper Tesla Model 3 Standard with 220 miles of range (EPA) which in Denmark will be £3k LESS than the e-Niro. Are prices really that different over there?
@@djp3637 After grant price of a Tesla M3 is £38,900 + the added luxury tax which pushes it to near £41k after everything. e-Niro is £32,800 after grant and has no luxury tax.
While the Model 3 is undoubtedly a beautiful and desirable vehicle, I would argue that the Kia E-Niro is probably a more practical option for a married man with children. The Kia has Tesla range, is more affordable and has the space to swallow the kids and all the gear that comes with. Substance over style is something worth considering......
OMG! On 5/26/19 Norman Reeves Hyundai in Los Angeles has SIXTEEN Kona electrics sitting on the lot! WTF? I've been checking inventory for both the Kona and Niro EV's around California and virtually every dealer has at leas one in stock, with many having 4-6 in stock, but I was stunned to see 16 in stock at a single dealer! These cars are selling and selling BIG!
when i bought my Ford Fiesta, there was no compelling EV's i could buy. they where simply waaay to expensive (Tesla S) or simply not good enough (low range or dingy) as i have since become a family man, but still want an EV as my next car. the e-Niro seems like the right fit for me. it can do enough Kilometers, fit a family with a small child and the luggage that goes with that. and its expensive but in a range i could afford. so definitely a real contender... but since the Fiesta still works just fine, i'm hesitant to pull the trigger on a purchase. especial since its in so limited stock. i will however look very closely at Kia for my next possible car... maybe im lucky and they come out with a refreshed version when im ready to buy. one with 85KW battery :) a guy can dream
Great EV report and one I very much needed as I've been trying to justify scraping every penny together so I could afford the Tesla 3! I really need an SUV or an Estate but I never considered the Niro! I do now though 👍
In the Bolt on asphalt, the only thing you hear if the windows are up, is the battery coolant pump which is almost always on. If not for that it would be eerie.
The misalignment of the dials on the centre console is a slight niggle for me. Better price and availability would make this a serious contender. MG might challenge it as the car to get for 2019/2020.
Waiting for an e-Niro in Ontario Canada. The cars are slowly coming to dealers. Only available as a pre-order (at the full MSRP, with a free Bosch level 2 charger) with the fully equipped trim level. You get to choose from 6 colours... I was told Canada is getting 400 in total! We recently got a federal ev incentive of $5000. My province stopped giving a $14,000 incentive when the government changed. The cars are mostly going to British Columbia and Quebec where are provincial incentives. Kia Canada can't be bothered to update the website on the E-Niro other than giving the list price, battery size, motor and driving range information. I get more information from the UK site but your options differ from Canada. At least we can order the car, if you are not living an eligible state in the USA you aren't allowed.
Was that an extension cable in your boot? What's the deal on using the granny charger with an extension cable? I've seen a lot of conflicting advice. I'm a month into owning an e-Niro. It's a great car and I think a great entry point into EV driving.
Would love to own this but too expensive, so I am pinning my hopes that the MG EZS will be affordable. Also 7 year warranty for the ice versions of the MG shows to me they don't expect things to go wrong.
EVM. Put my £500 down for an E Niro on 9th Jan 2020 but no idea when I will get one. But done my research with the UA-camrs and this is the only one that I am interested in. Have had a trial in one and loved it but the Mrs calls it a big ‘gadget’. Hows that? But the range and quality of this car beats all the rest except Tesla and the cost of one of these is a non starter. Driving a Sportage at the mo and the 7 year warranty is the best. BTW we went down to Bristol last week for a break. Took the motorhome for a few days and then caught the bus to Cribbs Causeway (a big shopping mall) and inside there was a Tesla shop. First time I had a look around one. I like the driving position of a SUV so thats why I like the Kia.
Ordered mine on 27/1/2019 and told I would be one of the first to own one. Now 12/5/2019 and still waiting with no updates available. Poor show really! Kia would do well to keep current deposit holders in the loop.
I think it's brilliant, especially the range which is market leading for the price point. My only niggle is availability. I have ordered mine in Feb 2020 and the delivery if forecast as September, so frustrating.
Something that friends of mine have mentioned is the need to tow a caravan. The e-Niro is a great car - I have test driven one. If the lead time were more realistic I would trade up from my i3. However, if you are towing a caravan or trailer with an ICE, you can refuel at most petrol (yuk yuk yuk pah!) stations. It occurs to me that for every electric charge point I have encountered, it would be impossible to juice up without detaching and parking the trailer somewhere first. I have seen one Tesla S with a towing hitch, so cars like the e-Niro become candidates for towing use. Towing reduces range of course so these vehicles would need intermediate fast charge points.
Luke W Re the i3 ... I was looking for something with more range and pure EV after the i3 REX. The e-Niro is the nearest fit for creature comforts and features, design aside ☹️ Re towing ... I know many people who set off from Easter onwards with their caravans - in Hampshire and Dorset we call these Saturdays the days of “the great shed race”. For me the e-Niro 300 miles is great. I believe that there is or will be a demand (a requirement) for an EV that can tow a reasonable distance and that current charging infrastructure needs a rethink for a drive-through style rather than the single parking space arrangements that we have in the UK. I have seen a couple of chargers that are drive-through style in the Netherlands - I think fully charged featured one or two on their Kona/iPace road trip.
@@tinaturner5186 payload range is main issue with BEVs and that's why Nicola is outselling Tesla for new HGVs in USA. Same with trains where there's no electricity. The shear size and weight of a battery just to move an electric car is massive. I3 60Ah weighs 250kg and provides no more than 2.2 litres of diesel (10kWh per litre). Tesla Model S pack is 750kg.
Luke W Just saying there is a requirement out there... I know the cars are not quit there yet, but they will need to be. I think the e-Niro would be an early candidate; is all. Drive through charge point, with solar roof ... www.google.co.uk/search?q=drive+through+EV+charge+points+in+netherlands&client=safari&hl=en-gb&prmd=mnsiv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjojM647ZviAhX0RxUIHRW-DhMQ_AUoBHoECAwQBA&biw=1024&bih=666#imgrc=biMCdGrJBAADnM
What I don't like about that (and the Leaf, Zoe and Niro) is the charging port in the nose. It requires that you park nose in when you are charging in (often) congested car parks. It may be that we end up with all EV's with front facing charge ports - but we have an option with VW's, Tesla, i3 and the Hyundai Ioniq who put the charge port at the rear, so you can park and leave spaces more safely.
Double edged sword, in a tight carpark and shopping or a dog your struggling to open the boot to use it if your reversed in. Each location has pros and cons
I'm waiting for all these cars to come to Australia, but they should be coming sometime this year. The Kona is here, but seems to a bit over priced, and the cabin/boot space was the only real concern I had about that one. So the e-Niro looks like it could be great contender. It'll probably be a couple more years before I can afford one, so we'll have to wait and see what happens later on.
My Kona is due imminently.... Ordered it back in October, before the Kia was released. Would still have ordered the Kona over the eNiro as rear space isn't an issue for me.
Hi EVM - thanks for all your video's and info - feel your pain regarding the Tesla, and enjoyed your review of the e-Niro. As a Yorkshireman always looking for a bargain, just have to say that your comments regarding the MG ZS are way off mark. Needing a new car at the beginning of this year we bought an MG ZS petrol SUV. If you stuck an MG badge and grille on the Niro it would look the same! - the new model MG's are well screwed together and drive well - If Harry doesn't think the build quality is up to much (looking at a picture?) then the invite is open to come and drive mine. If the price difference between the Kia/Hyundai petrol and EV cars is maintained then the MG should come in around the early 20k mark and its available in a couple of months time, not next year or the year after! All the best - Jeff
Great review enjoyed the banter between you and your friend. I to agree with you’re thoughts on both the Kona and the Nissan. We looked at both. The Tesla as good as it is and it’s brilliant but the price By the time you have added a paint colour because who wants black. It would drive me mad and a set of alloy wheels your the wrong side of £40.000 after the government grant. To much for me so we came to the same conclusion as you and ordered the Kia e Niro and I can say having had a hybrid Niro for the last 2 years it’s been utterly reliable a really good car. I know looks are very subjective but we like it. Good show. Keep it up.
Currently own a 24kW LEAF and love that, but just want more range. Long term (in about 3 years) I'd replace the LEAF and my long journey petrol car with either the e-Niro or Kona EV. Both look great
Got a leaf 24kw at the moment , would be nice to upgrade but i am waiting till next year as it seems to me that current EV production is low volume for compliance with average C02 levels rather than genuine production with a shift to EV
It sounds to me like the Kona and the Niro have modest quality Korean tyres on them from new, so if I'm right ?? the lack of traction would be resolved with a set of Michelins or similar.
Wish they would bring these to Australia. We have the kona ev in Australia but it's too small for us and don't like the looks of kona. Hopefully this will change and kia will bring the E Niro here. If not the MG zs ev might be our best option.
We're considering putting down a deposit for the e-niro. We currently have a new style Volvo XC60 with the Bowers and Wilkins sound system, so the question I have is... What is that JBL system like?? Can't find any reviews on it.
I do like the Kona and Niro however here in Canada they are actually not any cheaper than the Leaf plus. The Niro Touring is about $4000 more expensive than the Leaf Plus SL. I would also like to see some active cooling with the Leaf, however I am not too concerned about this being an issue with our climate in Canada and I will not rely on rapid charging very often. I know some owners of older Leafs who have not seen the same battery degradation that is seen in some southern climates. I am currently on a waiting list for a Leaf Plus and have chose it over the Hyndai/Kia models for the following reason: Kia's and Hyndai's both gas and electric versions tend to catch on fire when sitting idle for no apparent reason. An electric Kona recently blew up while sitting in a garage in Montreal causing the door to be blown across the street. A Mother watched here son burn to death in a parked Kia Soul... There are lots of other examples in Canada and the US. Hyundai don't have an explanation as to why this is happening and until they do and fix it, I will be staying clear of their brand. I also looked into the Model 3 but until an affordable AWD version comes out and they put real door handles that I can pull on when the car gets covered in an inch of ice, I will be reluctant to buy one.
It's a shame that that electric car don't have full L E D lights on them to help power drain and some sort of solar panel on the roof to aid with charging
Electric Vehicle Man : that explains that then thanks 👍 good UA-cam channel as well. not got an electric car but I think the eNito would be the car to have
In Denmark 🇩🇰 the full led bi-led headlights are a part of top spec version advance but the 64kwh eNiro advance is only 2000€ less than the Tesla model 3 short range + so it’s a game over for the eNiro although it’s a great car :-/
I was hoping to get an e-Niro to replace my leased Kia Soul EV. The problem is availability. My Soul goes back next July but if I put down a deposit now for an e-Niro they (the local dealership) say the waiting list is probably about 18 months now - too long. Still tempted nonetheless. Perhaps I could use that month by month rental firm (Evezy) to cover the gap...
Its interesting that noone in the ev enthusiasts world ever seems to mention the height of a cars driving position. This e-niro is really easy to get into with a bad back, unlike my ampera !!!
Niro is too much classic. A bit more space, it s true, but the kona is well finished. I own my kona ev since 9 month now and it s really a great car... I done a 2x900km trip last week with 5 adult and the trunk lowered to 8cm by removing the first layer like on a Niro by default in fact. Full trunk with more baggage than I fitted in my ioniq EV. We had a very cool and smooth trip. The best car i' my mind.
I drive a Kia Optima PHEV I wish they would make that in a all electric version because I really dislike SUV’s. It’s also so counterintuiitive regarding efficiency building a high on it’s wheels heavy car....
The Bolt requires a tire rotation every 7,500 miles. The Niro seems to be the only viable competition for the Bolt at this point. I have heard the Bolt has more rear seat room and more headroom than the Niro.
Why do you claim VW ID3 is more expensive. VW claim it will definitely be be less than €40K which should be £34.5K (without incentives). The e-nero is £36.5K without incentives ...£2K more. !?
I reckon the launch version will be £36k - £37k. I’ve been promised prices by a manufacturer before so playing it easy this time. Part of that will be because they’ll prob reduce the gov grant by the time it’s available too.
@@ElectricVehicleMan Sunday Times : Volkswagen ID.3 range could start at about £25,000 with the 1ST launch edition cars setting buyers back roughly £34,000.
We just bought a leaf 40 to replace our 24 as a change of jobs meant needing more range. If the Niro had been available right now we probably would have bought that instead as it's not a massive amount of money more than the leaf 3.0 having said that I think Nissan's propilot is better?
Did exactly the same a fortnight ago. Curious thing seems to be, the 40 has (obviously) 2/3rds more capacity - so why does it seem to give double the range (150 instead of 75)? Would have definitely had the e- Niro but … On the other hand the 40kW n-connecta is a great car and the 68 reg I bought was c. £10,000 cheaper.
I have a 2018 Nissan Leaf here in the USA. I get up to 165 miles to a charge sometimes, although it is rated at 150 miles to a charge. I guess this car is better than the 2018 Leaf, however the new 2019 Leaf gets 226 miles to a charge, so I think I would go with the new 2019 Leaf Plus over the Kia Niro. You need more electric car charging stations in the UK. I've read articles that say you only have 2 charging stalls in many locations. You need to greatly expand the amount of charging stalls per location.
Hey Electric Vehicle Man, we're looking at doing the NC500 from Yorkshire in our e-niro. How did you get on? Are you putting another video up about it? Cheers!
Well to bad they dont want to make alot of em, atleast here in norway its 2 year wait time with around 2000 coming each year, while the model 3 alone sold around 5000 in march only.
I picked up my e-Niro just over three weeks ago - the best car I have ever owned and I love it. Range, instant torque when needed, comfort, interior space, greenness and above all economy. With the Octopus night tariff of just 5p/kWh and getting a return of around 5 miles/kWh means I can drive from the middle of Devon to London for just £2 - all without emitting an ounce of carbon dioxide or other noxious gases and particulates.
Lucky you octopus in my area is limited to just 4 hours off peak
@@ram64man - it is in my area as well, but generally 4 hours is quite adequate to top back up to 80%+. If I need a serious top up for a long journey the following day, then I will visit my local Podpoint Rapid which is currently on free vend :-)
Good driver getting 5 miles per kWh be ready to drop in winter 😭
@@CarolSteele What real world range are you getting per charge ?
That's great I'm amazed they're getting better and, cheaper to own hmmmm
Great review. I think you hit the nail on the head when you said it was big enough to be a family car... if you have a family. My Kona is plenty big enough for me without a family. I much prefer the interior of the Kona also. But the great thing is that we now have a choice. thanks.
Kona looks better indeed. But Niro is bigger.
@@HenriZwols Yes and that is important for a lot of people, but not all. A bigger car is a negative for me. That is why I say it is great that we have a choice.
The REAL difference in interior seating space is almost nothing! Typical hair-splitting BS. If you can git in a Niro back seat you can fit in a Kona. Same for the front seat. The rear cargo space is like 6 cm longer on the Niro....that's less than 3 inches for people from the educated world.
The Kona electric was the car I wanted to like. I loved the look and feel, both inside and outside with on major exception. Front leg room on the E-Niro was head and shoulders (so to speak) over the Kona because of the massive middle console on the Kona - just got in the way of my right leg/knee. The front space of the E-Niro is massive. Also, with a rather large dog - Galgo Español - the E-Niro was way ahead with trunk (boot) space.
So, E-Niro it is and am super satisfied.
Been following you since your early camping in your Leaf days. Your channel is getting noticeably better and better over time. Cheers from America
I've been torn between the E-Niro, the Kona and the Leaf plus for weeks now. I think you've helped call it for me. My biggest concern was the back seat space and boot. Thanks for this video.
Enjoyed the format! Banter with other bloke etc. Good down to earth review 😀
Thank you for your videos. With reference to the MG electric I have had an MG3 for 5 years with no problems.
My brother in law has had an MG6 for 4 years with one minor problem which was sorted under guarantee and we drove down to Spain and back it didn't miss a beat, and now they are giving a 7 year warranty and if the price is as competitive as I expect I think they are very worthy of a consideration. And yes the residual values will be a bit less but to get a vehicle with the same spec I would have to spend about £3,000 more which stays in my bank not devaluing so if you add that money on to the residual value it makes up for it. Looking forward to a test drive when available.
Keith War
I've had my eye on this car since I first heard about it. Currently driving a 24kWh Leaf Tekna and, whilst I like the Leaf 2.0 I don't think it comes anywhere near the e-Niro. Definitely top of the list for my next car.
I guess it's a GOOD THING to be watching video reviews comparing the Niro and Kona, because it means they've finally ARRIVED and what they have brought us are two VERY good cars! Demand here in California is equal to the sound you hear when someone is sucking the last of a milkshake through a straw! I keep checking various dealers and finding them in stock, then sold, and back in stock. I got my Kona back in March when they first hit the dealer in Fresno, CA. It's a FABULOUS car!
Ordered one back in Feb, hopefully for 1/4 3 of this year. 2nd in the queue at my local dealership. 1st has taken delivery, so mine is next.
Thanks for the consumer advice, loved the line about not buying a model 3 if you can't afford one.
EVM: where Tesla super fans realise that not every Model 3 owner / reservation holder is a wealthy californian.
Collect my e-Niro three weeks ago, 2500miles on the clock now. I bought this to sit alongside a Niro PHEV which I also own and have found it to be excellent, I drive on varied roads including motorways and see well over 300 miles on a charge, no range concerns at all. It's a pleasure to drive, clearly more powerful than the PHEV, with no compromise in real day top day use. It's a shame Kia (and all manufactures) have failed to deliver enough to the market.
Wait for winter
I have an E-Niro on order.Will probably get it early next year.While i like the look of the Tesla model 3 i don’t like the single point of failure display that controls everything.I prefer buttons dials and discrete instruments.
I cancelled my e-Niro reservation after my dealer told me I was first in line (for 4 months!!) and then relegated me to second in line (meaning no car until Q3 2019) just days before the cars arrived. I wouldn't in principle give Kia my money after that experience. Pre- ordered the VW ID.3 which is claimed to have the interior space of a Passat. Our Kona arrives next month so we won't suffer waiting!
Had mine 2 weeks now. On Saturday I drove from the south coast to the Nottingham EVs meet up. 191 miles at motorway speeds. Arrived in comfort after 3.5 hours with 58 miles left on the GOM. Just Love the car. So glad I took the punt with the deposit back in Jan.
Brighton to Nottingham 190 miles so brand-new best range of 248 at around 55 mph average?
Luke W about that. 10C so AC, seat heater, steering wheel heater on and some rain on the way. I expect to get a bit more when the weather improves.
Good review and you agree with many of my thoughts on buying a NiroEV. I ordered mine in Canada two weeks ago and should have it Aug 1st. Can't wait.
6:51 "Rings are gona scratch this" Ah, so all I have to do, is to stay single. Sounds fine to me :)
I used to think like that but when you couple up with the right person you become a bigger person. Hope you find someone.
Or don't wear a ring. It's entirely optional.
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Great review style, answered all my questions thanks.
Had ours a few weeks. Around town seems to average out about 4.4 miles per kwh. Did a 330 mile round trip yesterday up to Sheffield and back. Virtually all on motorway. Cruise on at indicated 70. Few slower bits around Birmingham but just keeping with traffic. In ECO drive mode but lights on one way and climate on all the time. Ended up at just over 4 miles per kwh. No special efforts at economy driving. Very happy so far. Hope KIA can deliver some more. Seems odd to have spent some much effort on worldwide launch without the capacity to meet demand. Car is a good size and so far hasn't required us to make any changes in the way we use a car
KWh is from the pack not the socket. Acdc losses bit like having a leaky fuel tank. 10l/100km but actually 15l/100km paid at pump
Have a MG eZS on pre-order, would love an e-Nero but quite a lot more expensive and a long wait.
Yeah looking forward to seeing cars like the MG eZS. Its the price range the majority will go for. People like me who care nothing about types of plastics used in the interior and whose family treats it like a bin anyhow :) I just want a quite drive , good range and space for bags.
I have just put a deposit on my e-Niro. Loved it during the test drive and agree with your comments in this video. The only thing that could be improved is the waiting time.
Yes, a great EV. Pity you can't buy one as Kia, like Hyundai, won't sell you one! The number of cars allocated to the UK is pitifully small and a disgrace. They are not helping the EV cause at all with their attitude.
Nobody Significant
Absolutely agree, I was interested in the Niro but due to the waiting list and a real lack of interest from the dealer I have pre ordered an I D 3.
The only car I could get sooner would be a Model 3 so once the full VW specs come out later this year I can decide one way or another.
I really can’t emphasise enough the poor attitude from the dealer regarding my interest in the Niro.
@@markevans4832
Desperately want an EV, but the models just aren't available freely enough yet. I was too late for the e-Kona or e-Niro, and even the pre-order waiting lists are now closed! Want/need an SUV sized vehicle, so am having to be patient. It's hard, but I am currently thinking the ID.Crozz is the way to go, although even pre-orders are maybe a year away at this stage? And I would prefer the 300-mile 74KWh version, so I may have to wait even longer? Who knows, by then, the Tesla Model-Y may even be available here in the UK...?
Am just very frustrated that all the EV's we are promised are so extremely slow in actually being available to buy!
Same pathetic attitude in the U.S.! We can't even get on a waiting list! They have sold some 40 units in California and you must show a California residence to buy one. So we wait...
I work at a dealership in the states, and the companies focus is entirely on the telluride. It's their first attempt at a true luxury suv and theyre pumping mad resources into it.
I wouldnt say they dont care at all though, otherwise the Niro wouldnt exist at all. They woulve just stayed with the ev soul and hybrid optima(the second of which isnt honestly all that great a vehicle)
Same way they treated me when I bought my LEAF five years ago. I knew more about the car than they did. They didn’t even know who Carlos Ghosn was 😏 if they sell your electric car from an ice manufacture and all the other cars are junk they don’t want to admit that yet
Test drove a Tesla 3 expecting to buy one. Seemed like a computer with wheels. Checked out the Niro EV and loved the look and every thing about the car. Bought it. Love it
For me kona takes the win, better to drive imo and with better seats and krell beats jbl. I also love the high center console
1:00 the blanked-out grill is for aerodynamics. Made of plastic so they don’t have to have separate set of dies for the ev version. A normal grill would significantly reduce the Kms per kWh.
I bought a LEAF2 (40kw) as my first ever EV - really pleased, although at the dealers for things seven times in 18 months. Range was a bit of a restriction - cold weather motorways got under 100 miles. Went to look at LEAF+ and the dealer couldn't give a stuff about selling me one! Went to look at the I-Pace - too much and smaller than the LEAF. Had test driven the e-Niro when it first came out, but over a years wait. So when the local KIA dealership insist I come in as "They would be able to do me a deal" I did. Then they said - "all sold out - a years wait" I said they had wasted my and their time. Then he said "we have a 6 month old PX coming in, if I wanted to do the deal right there". After establishing why on earth someone would trade in an e-Niro at six months, I did the deal. So proud possessor of a 2000 mile 19 plate e-niro, and I am as happy as a pig in - well you know! Things I miss from the LEAF - e-pedal, the app (when it worked!) and pre-heat on battery. Absolutely everything else on the e-niro is better - and range!!!!! The LEAF for my regular winter commute would have been flat at around 100 ish miles - the e-niro does 110 miles on 50% battery. It's just superb - and with a bit of flappy paddle operation you can drive it one pedal. Although I agree about the "grill" - looks like a flattened golf ball!
Evm your videos are going from strength to strength. I am in nearly the same boat as you money wise and e-niro is top of my list right now with Kona close second. I have to wait until 2021 at the earliest before jumping to full ev, so I can wait to see if model 3 becomes affordable or ID3, seat elborn are good etc. But even then they’ll have a hard time competing with a 2 year old one of these. Keep up the good work and more vids with your mate as well please.
You are guys are great! Do more reviews!
You didn't mention one of the most significant things about the e-Niro, namely that you can't get one! I placed an order three months ago and I guess I'm looking at mid-2020, by which time there'll probably be a new model with a different level of equipment and no doubt a very different price. On the other hand, I can probably have a Model 3 around July this year if I get on with it. Guess what's on my mind..... I've also put a reservation on the VW and I'm very much looking forward to getting some concrete information from the Frankfurt Show in September. I rather think I'll be asking for my deposit back though. Then of course there's there's the MG, which I think I have more faith in than you do, except for the poor range, and the expected upgrade to the Zoe. Confusing times.
I like the practical boot test. Perfect for burying a body on the moors
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I can cope off road so the trip to the moors is feasible
Yep, even as a happy 2018 40kw Leaf owner, this and the Kona (and the upcoming longer range Ionic) make the e+ feel very DOA. Shame Nissan have dropped from 1st to last place in EV innovation.
No it hasn't. I own the E-plus and based on this video alone, I can see that nissan has a much better electronics suite (better 8'' display and presentation) compared to this car. Like you I am very happy Leaf owner with my 62kWh battery range and maxed out features of the SL package. I saw no mention of an autopilot feature set to match what Nissan has not to mention any sign of an e-pedal for the niro.
@@a.e.w.384 Fair comment, I guess it's stats vs real world experience. Yes the E-pedal is superbly implemented, I can't imagine that could be beaten on other EVs. Overall I love the car and I think the whole thing is brilliantly put together with very few flaws. I don't have Pro-pilot (mines an N-Connecta) but I looks v well done. All that said, I still think for someone looking at an EV right now, on sticker price vs range alone, the E+ looks outgunned value-wise by Niro & Kona and others on the way. I'd say my centre display is adequate, bit laggy and hardly hi-def by todays standards - I think they improved it a bit on the E+ did they? BTW I lease my Leaf, so I guess perhaps that affects my feelings about it, as in 2 years I will be looking at a replacement.
@@brucekennedy5274 Your points are valid. The display is not as fast and crisp of say a tesla but easily beats the niro. Furthermore the surround cameras are outstanding for both safety and awareness. The propilot featureset has been said by pro reviewers to match the best offerings outside of tesla.
Plus the propilot has smoother responses compared to Niro's based on pro reviews. To me it's all about the kWh capacity of the battery. Since the LEAF has a 62kWh vs. Niro's 64kWh I don't see the big difference. The rated range is subject to driver and environment factors. So far with 400 miles travelled, my leaf has been saying I have been averaging 4mi per kW which would put me at 248 miles max range with the given driving profile. To be fair only a small percent has been high speed highway driving but let's also be fair, there is no way the niro is more aerodynamic than the LEAF. Also keep in mind these higher mile ranges stated by other cars (i.e. tesla) have been tested with 48 psi tires so who knows what apple to apple comparison of real world numbers can be for these cars.
BTW another youtube reviewer did a real-world test between a tesla model 3 and a Leaf plus and discovered that both did the exact estimated energy consumption (@154 miles) for a given trip. The reviewers dismissed this by saying the model 3 had two motors, more power, etc etc (rolling eyes) thus making the tesla superior. Even I thought the leaf would have less in the tank after the trip but it didn't. Nissan finally got their guessometer working right. Don't dismiss the leaf plus when you are ready to buy again, I wouldn't be surprised if it's the best bang for the buck when you compare.
Oh so KIA is still handing out press cars while the avg. wait time for an e-niro is 12 to 16 month....what the actual f***, KIA!?
Perhaps a ship is coming?
@@FFVoyager According to my dealer, no ship will arrive before March 2020. But then again, all you can do is guess, because KIA leaves even their dealers clueless. Or so they say...
@@djp3637 thanks for the info! That's something I haven't heard before. I still have to wait another 11 month anyways, I hope they get their stuff together in the meantime. :P
The e-Niro has a great and spacious interior compared to other cars. No doubt about it. That said, the more space the more you stock up all your bits and bobs that you actually never need in the car. When complaining about the "cheap plastic" e.g. in the Leaf and Kona, that is actually recyclable plastic and is used there for a reason. Sometimes luxuriant materials are there for your eyes only. The Piano black, there I totally agree. Fingerprint magnets. Now, the EVs develop faster than we have ever seen and you will always find a car that offers something more than your last. My advice is, after driving different cars in 40 years +, is to look for cars that doesn't have all those children diseases waiting to appear. ID.3 is full of it and so will ID. 4 have. Boring isn't always so bad. You get something called reliability if you offer some coolness factor. I can't afford and I don't want to jump into the next cool car because it's new and has some new ideas tweaked into it. The e-Niro is a great car and used as taxi here in Norway. So is the Leaf and Model x. Remember that most people don't want to sit down in a car, they want to sit into it. Cheers
eNiro over Kona Electric:
bigger boot
more usable storage bins
fog lights, (but they’re not LED)
plastic guided ISO fix points
Kona Electric over eNiro
LEDs all round
greater potential range
rear cross traffic alert
blind spot monitoring & alert
vented seats
doesn’t look like weekly shopping car
doesn’t have a steering wheel, with stitching so rough it chafes the thumbs
possible upgrade of charging rate (but unlikely in UK spec.)
possible future app (but unlikely in UK spec. )
If you need the extra space and don’t mind compromising on safety features. If you’re content to drive a car, that looks like every other SUV wannabe. Then the eNiro wins. If you can get by with less space. Maybe occasionally fitting a roof box, when you do need a bit extra space). And if you’re interested in having a safer car. Then the Kona wins the day.
Note. The Niro and Hybrid versions do have an option to have LEDs all round. So the UK spec. not having them, was I think, a Monday morning or Friday night decision. Made by someone who’d just been fired.
Thanks for your review... what a wonderful car...
Agree about the costs, would buy the Kia E-Niro
It is a great car, I have driven it in January. Unfortunately it is not going to be available in Europe for the next 1+ year, because the number of cars arriving here are ridculously low. In one year however, there will be several similar options available. It might come (for the broader public) not very much earlier than the ID.3.
TbT - The place where I got a test drive. We’re sharing one vehicle among a dozen or more dealers, a couple of weeks at a time. The dealer told me they’d have one in sometime soon. But that was purely for showroom purposes and would absolutely not be for sale. On the plus side. He was enthusiastic about EVs and realistic about possible delivery times.
think these period of electric cars are the game changers
Good review. Same experiences as with mine. Solid and quick feel. Nice roomy back seats were a consideration for me. AWD option would have been a plus, but this will work for now.
Anyone else get the feeling all the car manufacturers are treading water waiting for the solid-state battery? There is nothing out there right now.😢
It's building the EV plus battery manufacturing pressure is like a dam when breaks watch out it will change very quick 😊
Treading water yes, not waiting for solid state batteries though. That is like nuclear fusion - always promised for 5 years time. I remember reading about battery break throughs in 2010 and even then there were companies and people promising solid state batteries for 3-5 years time and saying not to invest in li-ion.
There are a lot of very bright people working on solid state batteries and batteries generally. My guess is they will be half the price per kWh in 5 years time and available in sufficient quantity.....even if they are shipped from the Far East.
Great review. You must come to the USA and review cars over here!
Thanks guys for another great review..one that I was interested to see as I am 5,000 km into e-Niro ownership here. Your comparisons with the Model 3 are interesting but why bother?.... Even if I could have afforded one and it was available a saloon car is no good to me. The Kia is a practical hatchback/estate/mini SUV whatever you care to call it..exactly what we need here in rural France..It just wouldn’t seem right take stuff to the tip and bringing back mulch for the garden in a model 3, far too posh!
re MG - build quality is actually pretty good - best of the budget segment.
I have one since a couple of months and I really love it !!!
This drives so smooth and is so fast it makes me smille everytime I drive it.
When I now drive a petrol car, it feels like something of the past.
It looks like a simple familycar, as you don’t reconize it directly as an electric car.
Most fun is to drive up next to a sporty golf or bmw and then hit the “gas”pedal and just pull away like there standing still.
Also range is perfect, you can drive over 400km without any worries.
Last time I fully charged range said 470km, that’s more then the 455km that is given by Kia. Only problem I have now is what to choose next, because I never had such a perfect car 👍🏻
Yes I have a first edition e-Niro on order and so far no sign of it at all. I was the first in dealers to place the order on the 21st December 2018 and it's as frustrating as hell to be still waiting while others are getting theirs. It will be my first EV if it ever arrives!
If I could get one in the US in a non Zero Emission State to replace my leased 2016 LEAF, I would do it. However, availability is an issue. So, lease a 2019 LEAF or buy out the lease and wait for a Niro, that's the question.
How cheap is the e-Niro in UK? Here in Denmark it is only £3k cheaper than the Tesla Model 3 Standard+ (including AP). No way I would pick the Kia unless I really needed the space.
Also remember you can have a visit to your "local" Tesla store to order the cheaper Tesla Model 3 Standard with 220 miles of range (EPA) which in Denmark will be £3k LESS than the e-Niro.
Are prices really that different over there?
@@djp3637 After grant price of a Tesla M3 is £38,900 + the added luxury tax which pushes it to near £41k after everything. e-Niro is £32,800 after grant and has no luxury tax.
While the Model 3 is undoubtedly a beautiful and desirable vehicle, I would argue that the Kia E-Niro is probably a more practical option for a married man with children. The Kia has Tesla range, is more affordable and has the space to swallow the kids and all the gear that comes with. Substance over style is something worth considering......
OMG! On 5/26/19 Norman Reeves Hyundai in Los Angeles has SIXTEEN Kona electrics sitting on the lot! WTF?
I've been checking inventory for both the Kona and Niro EV's around California and virtually every dealer has at leas one in stock, with many having 4-6 in stock, but I was stunned to see 16 in stock at a single dealer!
These cars are selling and selling BIG!
when i bought my Ford Fiesta, there was no compelling EV's i could buy. they where simply waaay to expensive (Tesla S) or simply not good enough (low range or dingy) as i have since become a family man, but still want an EV as my next car. the e-Niro seems like the right fit for me. it can do enough Kilometers, fit a family with a small child and the luggage that goes with that. and its expensive but in a range i could afford. so definitely a real contender...
but since the Fiesta still works just fine, i'm hesitant to pull the trigger on a purchase. especial since its in so limited stock.
i will however look very closely at Kia for my next possible car... maybe im lucky and they come out with a refreshed version when im ready to buy. one with 85KW battery :) a guy can dream
You could put the deposit down on the niro when the lists re-open, and wait for it. Probably get it when you're ready to replace the Fiesta.
Still no e-station wagon. Young families can wait.
Tesla model Y is close enough for me
There is one converted model s in UK - see fully charged
@@AndersWurtz much smaller in back and taller so higher frontal area and drag cf a model 3 Station wagon if ever one were created.
Great Warranties Great Customer Services Great Vehicles (owned four kias previously) IF ONLY KIA MASS PRODUCED them! :(
Owned one audi for 18 years and 250,000 miles. #scrappingiswasteful
Luke W fuck that life is too short to drive one car for 18 years brahhh
I think you may just be surprised by the MG
Great EV report and one I very much needed as I've been trying to justify scraping every penny together so I could afford the Tesla 3! I really need an SUV or an Estate but I never considered the Niro! I do now though 👍
I prefer the looks of the Kona from the out side. I like both inside but the space in the Niro is deal breaker for me!
Great video - can't wait to test drive one
In the Bolt on asphalt, the only thing you hear if the windows are up, is the battery coolant pump which is almost always on. If not for that it would be eerie.
Great honest review think I will wait till the markets full of electric cars I also think like you they need to be 4 wheel drives
The misalignment of the dials on the centre console is a slight niggle for me. Better price and availability would make this a serious contender. MG might challenge it as the car to get for 2019/2020.
Another great review, nicely compared to the Kona. Excellent... and nice car!
e-Nero looks like a game changer for EVs.
Waiting for an e-Niro in Ontario Canada. The cars are slowly coming to dealers. Only available as a pre-order (at the full MSRP, with a free Bosch level 2 charger) with the fully equipped trim level. You get to choose from 6 colours... I was told Canada is getting 400 in total! We recently got a federal ev incentive of $5000. My province stopped giving a $14,000 incentive when the government changed. The cars are mostly going to British Columbia and Quebec where are provincial incentives. Kia Canada can't be bothered to update the website on the E-Niro other than giving the list price, battery size, motor and driving range information. I get more information from the UK site but your options differ from Canada. At least we can order the car, if you are not living an eligible state in the USA you aren't allowed.
Can we buy in Quebec and get the incentive, and then drive it to Ontario and re register?
Was that an extension cable in your boot? What's the deal on using the granny charger with an extension cable? I've seen a lot of conflicting advice. I'm a month into owning an e-Niro. It's a great car and I think a great entry point into EV driving.
Would love to own this but too expensive, so I am pinning my hopes that the MG EZS will be affordable. Also 7 year warranty for the ice versions of the MG shows to me they don't expect things to go wrong.
Chinese SUV don't expect old school MG underneath!
EVM. Put my £500 down for an E Niro on 9th Jan 2020 but no idea when I will get one. But done my research with the UA-camrs and this is the only one that I am interested in. Have had a trial in one and loved it but the Mrs calls it a big ‘gadget’. Hows that? But the range and quality of this car beats all the rest except Tesla and the cost of one of these is a non starter. Driving a Sportage at the mo and the 7 year warranty is the best. BTW we went down to Bristol last week for a break. Took the motorhome for a few days and then caught the bus to Cribbs Causeway (a big shopping mall) and inside there was a Tesla shop. First time I had a look around one. I like the driving position of a SUV so thats why I like the Kia.
Ordered mine on 27/1/2019 and told I would be one of the first to own one.
Now 12/5/2019 and still waiting with no updates available.
Poor show really! Kia would do well to keep current deposit holders in the loop.
I think it's brilliant, especially the range which is market leading for the price point. My only niggle is availability. I have ordered mine in Feb 2020 and the delivery if forecast as September, so frustrating.
Something that friends of mine have mentioned is the need to tow a caravan. The e-Niro is a great car - I have test driven one. If the lead time were more realistic I would trade up from my i3.
However, if you are towing a caravan or trailer with an ICE, you can refuel at most petrol (yuk yuk yuk pah!) stations. It occurs to me that for every electric charge point I have encountered, it would be impossible to juice up without detaching and parking the trailer somewhere first.
I have seen one Tesla S with a towing hitch, so cars like the e-Niro become candidates for towing use.
Towing reduces range of course so these vehicles would need intermediate fast charge points.
Trade down after i3 of design, materials, dynamic and sustainability terms
Towing kills battery packs see Tesla Bjorn Model X
Luke W
Re the i3 ... I was looking for something with more range and pure EV after the i3 REX.
The e-Niro is the nearest fit for creature comforts and features, design aside ☹️
Re towing ... I know many people who set off from Easter onwards with their caravans - in Hampshire and Dorset we call these Saturdays the days of “the great shed race”.
For me the e-Niro 300 miles is great. I believe that there is or will be a demand (a requirement) for an EV that can tow a reasonable distance and that current charging infrastructure needs a rethink for a drive-through style rather than the single parking space arrangements that we have in the UK.
I have seen a couple of chargers that are drive-through style in the Netherlands - I think fully charged featured one or two on their Kona/iPace road trip.
@@tinaturner5186 payload range is main issue with BEVs and that's why Nicola is outselling Tesla for new HGVs in USA. Same with trains where there's no electricity. The shear size and weight of a battery just to move an electric car is massive. I3 60Ah weighs 250kg and provides no more than 2.2 litres of diesel (10kWh per litre). Tesla Model S pack is 750kg.
Luke W
Just saying there is a requirement out there... I know the cars are not quit there yet, but they will need to be. I think the e-Niro would be an early candidate; is all.
Drive through charge point, with solar roof ...
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What I don't like about that (and the Leaf, Zoe and Niro) is the charging port in the nose. It requires that you park nose in when you are charging in (often) congested car parks.
It may be that we end up with all EV's with front facing charge ports - but we have an option with VW's, Tesla, i3 and the Hyundai Ioniq who put the charge port at the rear, so you can park and leave spaces more safely.
Double edged sword, in a tight carpark and shopping or a dog your struggling to open the boot to use it if your reversed in. Each location has pros and cons
I'm waiting for all these cars to come to Australia, but they should be coming sometime this year. The Kona is here, but seems to a bit over priced, and the cabin/boot space was the only real concern I had about that one. So the e-Niro looks like it could be great contender. It'll probably be a couple more years before I can afford one, so we'll have to wait and see what happens later on.
My Kona is due imminently.... Ordered it back in October, before the Kia was released. Would still have ordered the Kona over the eNiro as rear space isn't an issue for me.
Hi EVM - thanks for all your video's and info - feel your pain regarding the Tesla, and enjoyed your review of the e-Niro. As a Yorkshireman always looking for a bargain, just have to say that your comments regarding the MG ZS are way off mark. Needing a new car at the beginning of this year we bought an MG ZS petrol SUV. If you stuck an MG badge and grille on the Niro it would look the same! - the new model MG's are well screwed together and drive well - If Harry doesn't think the build quality is up to much (looking at a picture?) then the invite is open to come and drive mine. If the price difference between the Kia/Hyundai petrol and EV cars is maintained then the MG should come in around the early 20k mark and its available in a couple of months time, not next year or the year after! All the best - Jeff
Great review enjoyed the banter between you and your friend. I to agree with you’re thoughts on both the Kona and the Nissan. We looked at both. The Tesla as good as it is and it’s brilliant but the price By the time you have added a paint colour because who wants black. It would drive me mad and a set of alloy wheels your the wrong side of £40.000 after the government grant. To much for me so we came to the same conclusion as you and ordered the Kia e Niro and I can say having had a hybrid Niro for the last 2 years it’s been utterly reliable a really good car. I know looks are very subjective but we like it. Good show. Keep it up.
Currently own a 24kW LEAF and love that, but just want more range. Long term (in about 3 years) I'd replace the LEAF and my long journey petrol car with either the e-Niro or Kona EV. Both look great
So much for long term sustainability of EVs
What about insurance cost? Tesla is supposed to be DOUBLE the Kia. So $8k and double ins$/yr.??
Its the cars performance that dictates insurance costs . If a car is more expensive to insure then it is faster.
Got a leaf 24kw at the moment , would be nice to upgrade but i am waiting till next year as it seems to me that current EV production is low volume for compliance with average C02 levels rather than genuine production with a shift to EV
It sounds to me like the Kona and the Niro have modest quality Korean tyres on them from new, so if I'm right ?? the lack of traction would be resolved with a set of Michelins or similar.
E-niro has LED headlights just not i Brittan.
Great car,I went to Kia dealership,if I order one now,would probably get it next June 2020 !!!!!!!
Wish they would bring these to Australia. We have the kona ev in Australia but it's too small for us and don't like the looks of kona. Hopefully this will change and kia will bring the E Niro here. If not the MG zs ev might be our best option.
How will the front-wheel-drive handle on the ice conditions with all that torque?
We're considering putting down a deposit for the e-niro. We currently have a new style Volvo XC60 with the Bowers and Wilkins sound system, so the question I have is... What is that JBL system like?? Can't find any reviews on it.
IMO, residual values win every time. It's likely the Model 3 is actually cheaper over three years when depreciation is accounted for.
I do like the Kona and Niro however here in Canada they are actually not any cheaper than the Leaf plus. The Niro Touring is about $4000 more expensive than the Leaf Plus SL. I would also like to see some active cooling with the Leaf, however I am not too concerned about this being an issue with our climate in Canada and I will not rely on rapid charging very often. I know some owners of older Leafs who have not seen the same battery degradation that is seen in some southern climates. I am currently on a waiting list for a Leaf Plus and have chose it over the Hyndai/Kia models for the following reason: Kia's and Hyndai's both gas and electric versions tend to catch on fire when sitting idle for no apparent reason. An electric Kona recently blew up while sitting in a garage in Montreal causing the door to be blown across the street. A Mother watched here son burn to death in a parked Kia Soul... There are lots of other examples in Canada and the US. Hyundai don't have an explanation as to why this is happening and until they do and fix it, I will be staying clear of their brand. I also looked into the Model 3 but until an affordable AWD version comes out and they put real door handles that I can pull on when the car gets covered in an inch of ice, I will be reluctant to buy one.
Nice car. Doubt we are going to see it in Australia though.
It's a shame that that electric car don't have full L E D lights on them to help power drain and some sort of solar panel on the roof to aid with charging
Makes next to no difference.
Electric Vehicle Man : that explains that then thanks 👍 good UA-cam channel as well. not got an electric car but I think the eNito would be the car to have
In Denmark 🇩🇰 the full led bi-led headlights are a part of top spec version advance but the 64kwh eNiro advance is only 2000€ less than the Tesla model 3 short range + so it’s a game over for the eNiro although it’s a great car :-/
Good review, is this a new double act?
I was hoping to get an e-Niro to replace my leased Kia Soul EV. The problem is availability. My Soul goes back next July but if I put down a deposit now for an e-Niro they (the local dealership) say the waiting list is probably about 18 months now - too long.
Still tempted nonetheless. Perhaps I could use that month by month rental firm (Evezy) to cover the gap...
The new Soul with same battery/drivetrain as e-Niro is due to be available to order soon.
Looks great, specs sound great, but I’d need to drive 470+ miles to get one, and I worry the local Kia dealer cant handle maintenance issues
That's a long journey back even assuming rapid charging
Thanks for the video. Always excellent btw. Do the rear seats fold flat please?
Pretty much.
@@ElectricVehicleMan Thank you. Appreciated.
Its interesting that noone in the ev enthusiasts world ever seems to mention the height of a cars driving position. This e-niro is really easy to get into with a bad back, unlike my ampera !!!
We all have great backs!
Niro is too much classic. A bit more space, it s true, but the kona is well finished. I own my kona ev since 9 month now and it s really a great car... I done a 2x900km trip last week with 5 adult and the trunk lowered to 8cm by removing the first layer like on a Niro by default in fact. Full trunk with more baggage than I fitted in my ioniq EV. We had a very cool and smooth trip. The best car i' my mind.
im getting an ev as my first car, how mind blowing is that to you petrol heads who have been driving for years!!!! :)
I drive a Kia Optima PHEV I wish they would make that in a all electric version because I really dislike SUV’s. It’s also so counterintuiitive regarding efficiency building a high on it’s wheels heavy car....
Spot on all SUVs and crossovers are idiotic from an aerodynamic drag, traffic flow on finite roads and efficiency point of view.
The Bolt requires a tire rotation every 7,500 miles.
The Niro seems to be the only viable competition for the Bolt at this point. I have heard the Bolt has more rear seat room and more headroom than the Niro.
Rennie Allen - Tire rotation is not a recommended practice anymore. See here: www.kwik-fit.com/tyres/information/tyre-rotation
Why do you claim VW ID3 is more expensive. VW claim it will definitely be be less than €40K which should be £34.5K (without incentives).
The e-nero is £36.5K without incentives ...£2K more. !?
I reckon the launch version will be £36k - £37k. I’ve been promised prices by a manufacturer before so playing it easy this time. Part of that will be because they’ll prob reduce the gov grant by the time it’s available too.
@@ElectricVehicleMan Sunday Times : Volkswagen ID.3 range could start at about £25,000 with the 1ST launch edition cars setting buyers back roughly £34,000.
Great review
We just bought a leaf 40 to replace our 24 as a change of jobs meant needing more range.
If the Niro had been available right now we probably would have bought that instead as it's not a massive amount of money more than the leaf 3.0 having said that I think Nissan's propilot is better?
Did exactly the same a fortnight ago.
Curious thing seems to be, the 40 has (obviously) 2/3rds more capacity - so why does it seem to give double the range (150 instead of 75)?
Would have definitely had the e- Niro but … On the other hand the 40kW n-connecta is a great car and the 68 reg I bought was c. £10,000 cheaper.
I have a 2018 Nissan Leaf here in the USA. I get up to 165 miles to a charge sometimes, although it is rated at 150 miles to a charge. I guess this car is better than the 2018 Leaf, however the new 2019 Leaf gets 226 miles to a charge, so I think I would go with the new 2019 Leaf Plus over the Kia Niro. You need more electric car charging stations in the UK. I've read articles that say you only have 2 charging stalls in many locations. You need to greatly expand the amount of charging stalls per location.
The ePlus Leaf is what we referred to in the video. Way worse and more expensive than the eNiro.
Hey Electric Vehicle Man, we're looking at doing the NC500 from Yorkshire in our e-niro. How did you get on? Are you putting another video up about it? Cheers!
One stop to charge all the way to Inverness. Easy peasy.
Well to bad they dont want to make alot of em, atleast here in norway its 2 year wait time with around 2000 coming each year, while the model 3 alone sold around 5000 in march only.
Not enough batteries to go around, price of lithium and cobalt increased as available resources reduce