What you can expect to earn as a Lawyer in South Africa
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2024
- Hey family :) This one is for those who are interested in knowing a lawyer's earning capacity in various roles.
STUDENTS: I have advice for you @14:12
I obtained my figures from my own research compared to the Robert Walters salary survey. You may request access and obtain those figures here:
www.robertwalters.co.za/salar...
Enjoy
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My salary over my career was a follows:
2015-2016: big firm: between 250k & 300k per annum as a Candidate legal practitioner
2017: Big firm: between 480k and 540k per annum as an Associate Attorney I (excluding bonus)
2018: Graduate program: between 300k & 360k per annum excluding bonus
2019: Medium sized firm: between 480k & 540k per annum as an Attorney (not an Associate).
I know I shouldn't be money driven but what the actual hell!!!!!!!!! I'm gonna study now. I've been so depressed the last few days (I suffer from bipolar disorder, but my average is over 65% at UP). Im soooo excited, thank you for the inspiration.
like even if I dont get into big law, It will definitely motivate me to study as hard as I can to not give up and kill myself.
Good day sis atlegang,my name is daisy Lechaba and am majoring in paralegal studies this year,i was asking if you could help me fined work experience .thank you in advance
@Naledi Remotely ITS TRUE, Atlegang you can tell that she is from affluent high school. If you are from rural area struggling with English its gonna be an uphill
What firm did you do your articles at?
I hold an LLB, a Postgrad in Risk management, a Postgrad in Drafting and Interpretation of Contracts, an LLM in Mercantile Law, a Cert in Collective Investments Schemes, a Cert in Corporate Strategy, and more lol with no articles. So I was fortunate to kick off as compliance officer for one of the big 5 FSPs, I began with R300 000, and now I am on R680 000 per annum with 3 years and 8 months of experience
Wow. Could you please explain what you do and how you got into it ?
Can you be my mentor 🥺
Can u be my mentor 🤦♂️🙏
Please tell us how😩
Please hle ra kopa 🥺🙏🙏
Passionate you are, this is evident in your sound advice. “No experience is a waste, there is a reward in sticking it out”. 🥂
Loved it when you said there are a lot of law firms that are not even close to the market margin, because this is very true.
This is your second money video I've watched today 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 fire content!!
Your videos are amazing. Everything a law student needs!
Thank you so much.
Thank you for the great feedback 🌸🥲
The motivation at the end 🙌🏾❤️ Rea leboga. I am not doing law but I enjoy watching the passion that you have for what you do 😄🌟
Thank you for watching 😅🙏🏾 appreciate it 🌸
Thank you for this Atlegang, your opinion and insight is always appreciated🌸!
Pleasure sis 🙂🌸
Much needed information. Doing my second year llb law at UNISA and in still trying to figure things out after this career
I cant wait for this video omw! I hope it's not averages, but you actually asked people lol. like we all know the salary difference between small to big law CA, Associates and partners.
Can’t wait for this!!
I'm glad I bumped into your videos.. so great to watch, spirit uplifting as well..
Thanks Thandeka 🥲
I'm not a lawyer buut I'm here. You are just so authentic. New subbie and Notification gang :)
Thank you so much I really needed this talk
The CA salaries are really not it. Should be regulated by the LPC but we've been complaining about this for many years.
How much is it exactly per month??🙈🙈I hope that's not rude to ask but I'm curious
LPC does have systems in place including subsidizing of salaries
@@chunkychunks17 Some law firms can pay you R1500, some law firms can pay you R20k. It all depends on the firm, hence why I say it's not regulated. There is no standard salary or bracket salary rather.
Not a CA but I am an accountant Bcompt no CTA... for me Articles to industry was 2017 to 2022
2017 - 95k articles
2018 - 108k articles
2019 - 109k articles
2020 - 480k industry
2021 - 660k industry
2022 - 850k industry
But I need to get that CA coz things are expensive.
@@realdudevision2746 CA stands for Candidate Attorney and not Chartered Accountant in this context 🤡
Thank you for your content it's really good am an LLB first year student I got lot of info from this 🙏
You’re welcome 🙂
How is the studies? Are you permanently busy with books?
@@suzanne-cs7sxI'd think so 💀
Thank you for this Atlegang. You're always serving us with the best ❤️.
Would love to hear from someone who's running a firm right after articles or with more experience
Thank you for the kind words 🙂
I am intending on doing this soon 🌸 keep a look out
I opened a firm right after my articles, and the numbers aren't that bad.
Some people with BEng or MEng in Electronics do get around R600k to R1.2m after 5 to 10 of working. The Doctors get +R600k during their internship, this jumps to to +-R800k once they become GPs depending on the area they select (Rural or Urban). They can choose to do locums to supplement this income
Actuaries as well tend to start high and climb through the ladder pretty quickly if they're passing their professional exams...but in the case of actuaries and doctors it's pretty understandable and expected given the short supply of both professionals in the country.
Thank you very much this is informative.
Heard loud and clear. Danko means thank you!
Then you get firms that offer less than 5k per month n expect you to have your own vehicle, work long hours n be passionate when you can't cover your basic needs. Money should not be your only drive but should not be a non factor either. Some of these practices are exploitative which is sad because lawyers are expected to speak for the exploited n unfairly treated yet they themselves are committing cruel injustices against their own "learned" colleagues. Was fortunate enough to not have to settle for these firms but my heart goes out to all my peers who have had to go through such torment. Many with financial responsibilities, crushed dreams n unmet expectations have experienced depression and/or worse as a result. I really think seminars should be held at varsities to explain to law students what it takes to attain these positions you describe n what the average law graduate who doesn't get into these big firms/corporates can expect especially during the 2 years of articles.
Thank you for this
Pleasure 🥲
I'm currently doing an internship(risk and compliance) at a tech company....I was a week away from leaving it(terrible pay) but after seeing this I've definitely changed my mind,the pay may suck but clearly such things will pay off in the long run
What company lol, trynna apply
I went to Rhodes at first for law and later dropped out for another degree. My friends remained and finished. They didnt know about all these things and the struggle they are going through breaks my heart. Some needs to talk to law students in their first year 🤦♀️. They need to know to be intentional about where they want to be. Starting my LLB from scratch with helpful research and information from you has got me scared but ready to start now with the hard work , so doors will be open by the time I get to my 3rd year of study. I'm going to recommend your videos ♥️💌.
Aah that is so unfortunate. Truth be told we are not prepared for the work that we have to do to get our careers going. It’s such a painful reality.
I hope your path is bright 🥲✨
This is what I've learned so far, and it took me to go abroad, and also i'm privileged enough to have older people in my circle that talk about things like these. where are you studying now? and how is it going? all the best.
Great work!
Thank you Dee 🙂
Thank you so much hun... I needed to hear everything you said here... ❤️❤️❤️
Thanks for information.😍
You’re Welcome 🙂
Thank you for this video, and you look beautiful! 😍🤗
Shu this is pretty fruitful ❤
This is great advice, not just for people in your field. Thank you.
I like the giant wine glass vase at the back, it’s so cool
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Hey Atle, can you please make a video giving us study tips that were helpful for you. Thank you in advance
Nice one.
More of Legal Graduate Programs, yes!!
Your videos are soooo informative 👌🏼🔥🔥! New Subbie
I preciate your videos
The big Banks were paying LLB grads around R375k in 2015 on graduate programs. Don't say I didn't plug you'all. It became R400k the following year.
Is this through LLB graduate programs?
@@preciousm1662 yes
Can you share light on this.. meaning what is a graduate program and how do it works
Dumisani please provide more information
bro?tell us more info about this
Luckily I've worked for Robert Walters Sandton office and I'm now an advocate. Their research is centered around the "big 5" both in finance and legal field. So, all this salaries are what you expect, if you work for ENS or Bowman. Also, remember that Robert Walters doesn't go out and research the market, they are a recruitment company for the "elite" . In essence they collate all positions that they have placed for a particular period and average it for the benchmark. You and I will agree that for an accurate benckmark that is misleading.
Do you want passion or do you want money?!! lol! Love it
Thank you
The CA Salary chat is really the rage at the big 5 firms. If the Robert Walters people engaged with CAs across the board from small to large firms the average would be closer to 12k per month or around 170k per annum
From 14:13 👊🏽👊🏽👊🏽 thank you !!!
Well, that’s not to take away from the entire video 😅
Haha pleasure 😅
Thanks for such aspiring and motivational ..Am doing HC in law #UNISA
❤️
Hahaha cant wait
Money 💵 💵😭❤️
Althegang, love your content and thank you for this video.
Could you please answer this honestly. I am a final year student, becoming a teacher next year and have been applying to do my LLB through Unisa. Do big firms or even smaller firm consider Unisa students as eligible for their programs?
Hi Morris 🌸 you’re welcome 🙂
Yes, Big law firms do consider Unisa students but the competition is quite tough. You will put yourself at a position to compete if you have great marks. You can always study your LLM at one of the more preferred Universities. That usually bolsters your credentials.
I’d definitely encourage you to go ahead 🙏🏾
How is the competition for jobs, for people with an LLB degree? Is it flooded with? Do they look at your marks for each module? How to land articles as quick as possible? Is the age of a graduate scrutinised?
The market is saturated so the competition is stiff if you want to get into a good paying law firm. Some firms don’t put emphasis on marks but you have to at least score high 60s and upwards.
Always advisable to start looking for articles in 2 year so you give yourself time and options. I don’t think age matters. As long as you did not fail countless times. Your CV will tell the story.🌸
Law Graduates are going to have a rude awakening if you're going to rely on the Robert Walters survey. iJumpile in these streets!
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Hy Altegang I'm still studying I'm scared that if I'm making a big mistake to choose law on my career please help maybe tell me after I finish my matric what to expect and what things should do to become the best lawyer?
Thank you for Sharing this 😍🥰next year I want to study law part time
All the best 😊🌸
People please focus on fintec doesnt matter what background degree you hold. Most jobs will ho obsolete and some universities
Thanks for the video. I dint know if it's motivation or not.
Anyway I think i recognized you for a second, i think we studied together. If you went to tuks, from around Orchards??
Great content keep it up
I did study at Tuks, spent a lot of time in Pta North but definitely not from there 😅
Hope you are well 🙂
@@atleganggovuza6733 I'm great thanks.
Great to see such content. I'm surprised it doesn't have more views. Excellent.
I'll be watching and I'll make sure I share with other fellow Tuks alumni
Most people make wayyy less then those figures
And it also depends on the province
Thank you so much for this Atlegang💞. Quick question... Are the prospects of getting employed if one does an undergrad in BA International Relations and post grad law kinda the same as someone who does a straight LLB or BA/BCOM Law?
Hey there… yes for articles, law firms like people with under grads so I definitely think there are good prospects 🙂 if the plan is going into a company, I always say it’s always advisable to do articles and become admitted before going in house
@@atleganggovuza6733 Thank you so much for the response. Also ..do companies have preferences over which university you get you degrees from?
Much love.
I've made my research on the biggest law firms like Bowmans, Webber Wentzel, ENSAfrica etc for the CA graduate program it ranges from R300k-350k but they require a really good academic and space is limited
Hello 👋🏽 It’s definitely more than that. About R400-R500k now
Thanx ❤❤❤❤😅
This is the motivation that I needed. Thank you so much for this channel.! 🤍
You’re welcome ☺️
OMG UR SO PRETTY GOSH
I LOVE your accent
Hi.
1.I’m currently studying Bcom law first year and already failed accounting first semester 😭. I heard that if you fail a module, you won’t get the ‘Cum laude’ on your 📜degree certificate. Does it really matter if I don’t have it as far as competition for big law firms is concerned?
2. Is it advisable to go to law school instead of doing articles for 2 years. And the 1 year of articles at a law school, where do you get to do them?, you have to find a law firm yourself?
3. Is it important to carry all these things we learning in varsity (especially in law modules) to beyond the LLB graduation or we can just cram pass and forget?
Thank you in advance ♥️
Hello there ✨ I’ll do a video on this soon and share my thoughts 🙏🏾🙂
I hear some law firms offer 3k to 5k for candidate attorneys 😭 in terms of good marks please assist with the average.
Ok, here’s my opinion:
65% - 70% is good coupled with extra curriculum activities. However with these marks, your competition is still high
70% upwards is great and just depends on how you represent yourself. Obviously the higher your marks are, the better your chances will be 🙏🏾✨
Law is very saturated. By all means, do your best to stand out
Thanks this is so helpful
@@atleganggovuza6733 thank you for this information, I will pull up my socks better
What's your advice for criminal advocacy, and when doing pupilage for advocacy, do you apply years in advance for it like attorneys do for articles or is it just when you finish the degree?
You apply for pupilage the year before you want to commence. Usually in July. Interviews are around September and you find out shortly thereafter if you made it. If you do, you commence pupilage in January. You must at least be in final year to apply
I don’t know much about criminal law but I hear you just have to be cut throat and not care because you’ll always represent the accused
@@atleganggovuza6733 thank you
I guess i was confused since attorneys sometimes needed to apply up to two years in advance at law firms for articles but I guess it is a simpler route for an advocate since no firms are required
Only huge disadvantage is no income
How does the legal fraternity feel about tattoos in South Africa?
Most don’t care
Love Burkes in your house sweetie 🤩🤩🤩
The lawyers that sits in front of comcourt judges, what are their roles .
Research work for their Judges. And some other stuff but that is the main thing ✨
Will be doing my final year of LLB next year and this salary gives me hope🤣🤣❤️❤️
came here again few weeks before i finish my law degree🤣🤣😍😍😍
How was the books?
Is it alot of work?
No lies it is. Trauma in there 😂😂😂
Been 2 years how are things?😂
Not a CA but I am an accountant Bcompt UNISA no CTA... my salary from articles to industry 2017 to 2022
2017 - 95k articles
2018 - 108k articles
2019 - 109k articles
2020 - 480k industry
2021 - 660k industry
2022 - 850k industry
But I need to get that CA coz things are expensive.
Law, Accounting, Engineering, Doctor, Computer programming... you will be ok, so long as you keep your love of nice things in check (that's the real killer)
UNISA students, you may struggle with your first job, but after your first job no one cares.
Love this advice and provided information 🙌🏽✨
CA stands for Candidate Attorney and not Chartered Accountant in this context 🤡
Hey , any idea why one Mughal struggle with their first job if they went to UNISA?is it because the degree is not that recognized or what ?
@@southafricauncensored I don't know, I think it's coz most people have UNISA degrees. So maybe it does not stand out 🤷🏾♂️
But after your first job nothing will stop u.
It's 2023 now, and a young man is pushing R1.3m
@@realdudevision2746 I get you , are you a lawyer yourself ?
Can it be Monday already!!!!😭😭😭
Shoo and we still have poverty in SA!!!
Yoh guys articles 2017 I got R60k pa😂😂😂😂 pietermaritzburg
Is the malpractice market saturated and are they salary good because I love law and medicine and would like to do both when I graduate?
I think there’s a great market for medical law, especially with Covid in the mix. The salary depends on who you work for but generally good 🌸
@@atleganggovuza6733 how do you enter medical law with a 5 year llb degree ?
@@lyd2460 as far as I know, u need a to be doing a medical degree plus LLB to b able to do that. Jus like Bcom law
Hi are you studying medicine?
@@dawncosmic8080 nope law
what about regnenesys is it good just heard about it
I’m not aware of them. So I can’t opine 🙈
Yeses ziyabuya ku Law mos haaa!!
Hi, what are the benefits of having a law degree?
Lol I don’t know how to answer this. I personally think that at this stage, the field is way too saturated
Thank you for this information. I am a lawyer in the United States. However, my family and I may be looking to relocating to South Africa. Do you happen to know the requirements to practice in South Africa if you already possess a license in the United States? Would I have to study in South Africa to be able to practice there?
Hi Arisa. I really don’t know but in any event think it will be hard to find a job here, not impossible. Due to high unemployment and the legal market being overly saturated, preference would be given to locals unless you have a unique skill. My thinking ✨
@@atleganggovuza6733 thank you so much!!!
Don’t move here. Don’t 😭 why would you leave the US for SA
@@arisaforest6026 yes, u need to be from south africa to practice in South Africa. Coz I remember last year Zim law students were complaining bout not being able to practice.
Thanks for this video.. one question: what were your averages in varsity?
Overall, about 70%.
Atlegang Govuza okay that’s good and attainable, thanks.
@@atleganggovuza6733 and did you do any extra-curricular activities??if so which ones did you do?
@@tumisho-she was in SRC at Tuks. That’s what I know
Why do people with an llb struggle to find work in south Africa is it because of university and is UJ a good place to study law
UJ is a good university 🚀
Struggling with jobs is an SA thing, but also, the legal field is over saturated.
Alright thank you alot I wanna do law but I'm afraid of the oversaturation
Is advocacy more promising than attorney in finding a job or what can u do to beat the unemployment rate the best
I currently studying my bcom law so I wanna know how much would I expect monthly if working for instance
I say please complete your LLB. If you get a good job, you can start with a salary of about 25k (net) roughly.
@@atleganggovuza6733 I'm doing bachelor of commerce in law
Thank you for sharing this is enlightening big up sis!🙌
Work hard and get good marks. Getting articles with average marks? the ghettoest ghetto. You don't need that in your life trust me
Preach 💯
So if you have a messed up academic record you are basically doomed?💔
@@_Hendrica not necessarily doomed but things are not easy when you have a messed up AR,I for one have average marks and I am struggling to get articles, I know that if I had worked harder and gotten good marks, I would not have been struggling with getting articles. The truth is marks open doors for you.
I literally have great marks I would assume 70%-89% on my academic record on my diploma in law and LLB but I still feel as though I went to the wrong university which unisa I m literally nt so confident whether my good marks will open doors for me I m very sceptical simply because of the university I went to💔💔😭😭😭
It is the ghettooo! Even when you get articles you sometimes have to settle for a salary below the minimum wage!!🚮🚮
why d ppl always talk about yearly salary and not monthly??? this isnt helpful.
Hi there… I think it’s coz your offer letter will almost always state your yearly income being your cost to company. That will come with a dummy payslip that shows your monthly expected salary
Do you know if Boston City Campus is a credible college? Like good enough for you to be able to get a job in the legal sector with their LLB degree in Law? Please help if you have any info🥺🙏🏾.
Those people struggle to find proper jobs to be honest. Especially articles. It’s best to go to a normal university 🌼
@@atleganggovuza6733why do u lie I did law at Boston, no such thing as struggling its a private school like iie we more advanced. N get picked more than unisa
Go to Boston and you'll find the truth. It's a private institute n get exposed more
do u have time to spend with your family
You make the time. It’s not as much but yes, there is time 🙏🏾
Why dont u encourage in house firms?🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
I do but only after serving time in practice 🥲
@@atleganggovuza6733 ohh i see ,in an effort to gain knowledge regarding law so that when u do move over to in house u have some few qualifications behind ur back❤️❤️thank you atle🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻its my final year in school ,wish me luck.
Is there a demand for LLB graduates? How easy is it to get a job with one?
If I have to be honest, the field is saturated. A lot of graduates but not enough jobs. It’s only a few who do secure decent earning jobs. So I would say it’s not easy but if you do well in school, you improve your chances of getting a good job ✨
All I know is many people choose the saturated sectors of law. Maybe try litigation, commercial law and many more ,there is very much in demand in South Africa for those Law types.
@@trayway3014 what are these saturated sectors that people focus on?
@@mishjack6857 I did some research on Demanded Types of jobs in South Africa, and certain law fields popped up(not all) . Remember law is very broad carreer, with the rise of crypto, Bitcoin and Block chain that means there needs to be lawyers who going to regulate that sector of the economy. Like almost all sectors of the economy needs laws to guide and create a fair environment for businesses to Prosper and each economy sector needs a legal professional that's going to be updated bout That certain field. That's why u even see medical lawyers, its because we need legal professionals that are going to focus and understand that sector of the economy and who going to liable to deal with issues in that sector.
So u can look it up the fields that are said to be in demand in law that lawyers usually don't be keen on jumping on.
@@trayway3014 oh okay, I have a diploma in economics maybe I’ll do a year for the advanced once I’m done with my LLB. I’ve always considered commercial law. Thank you
I am currently busy with my bridging course for LLB degree, which is the Higher certificate . I did not qualify for LLB,was my HC choice a good choice? Please advise me on how my grades should be for me to do LLB after the HC. Thank you.
Hi Carol. I’m not sure how well you need to do to go into LLB. But I would say generally aim for 65% and higher throughout Varsity
Just don’t settle for the HC. You must study your LLB
Thank you
Please be my mentor? 🥺🙏🏽
Will try start a program this year 🥲
How old were you when you graduated?
21 and 23 (Bcom law and LLB)
@@atleganggovuza6733 so proud of you 💗💗
@@atleganggovuza6733 I want to become an Advocate so do I take Bachelor of Arts for my first 3 years, then what should I study after ?
What subject are needed bo become a estate lawyer coz I have math lit, business, geography,CAT
You can study anything in high school. History is useful and I also advise on pure Math if possible. But even with your modules, it’s all good. Just make sure you Math lit marks are good 😊
@@atleganggovuza6733 Okay thanks but my school doesn't have history so I will stick with my subjects thanks 👍 I will pass my math lit with flying colours
This country has no constitution
Ur wages are equivalent to someone working at McDonald’s full time where I live wtf???
South Africa labor industry is honestly ghetto, and it honestly starts with high school getting higher marks isn't that encouraged kids end up studying courses that will. Not earn them a lot of money plus law industry is saturated so companies they take advantage of that and the wage is quite low but as time goes you earn higher, but in general we earn little especially compared to our white counterparts
@@tondaniraluswinga2590 Australia but I’m from joburg moved here when I was like 5
@@Youralllate Don't fool yourself, mate. Australia & SA are different economies.
I'm doing a Teaching degree and I'm not enjoying it
I'm thinking of changing to Law,
Can one enjoy this degree?
🤔
It’s nice but it depends again on you and the area of law you practice in
Lol, most lawyers who are well established got no free time, they clients demand them left and ryt. The stress level is on another level.
Ive been a sales person / relationship manager / account manager . Im thinking of combining my sales skills with an LLB degree , i think it would go well together .
Go for it 🙂
Are these figures in South African Rands? 🥸