Red Alert 2: Yuri's Revenge - Testing Tank Destroyers
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- Опубліковано 19 тра 2018
- Tank Destroyers are only available to Germany and have only one purpose. To destroy tanks. Do they fit that role?
Tests prove that they are indeed quite powerful against vehicles. There are a few exceptions though were Tank Destroyers are worse against certain vehicles.
However, their cost which comes quite higher than the Grizzly tanks and the fact that they are completely useless against everything else makes Tank Destroyers to be neglected.
Apocalypse is the only tank that can beat the Tank Destroyer. Battle fortress can also beat it depending the situation.
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Tank Destroyer: "No armour's too tough"
Soviet Conscript: *has no armour*
Tank Destroyer: *panicked expression*
IT'S TOO TOUGH
No armor = too tough
a word that has 2 meanings XD
actually out of all 3 basic infantry, conscript actually has an armor type while other have none, making him tankier than GI or Brain-shooter
For whatever reason Conscripts have Flak type armor. I don't think that type is used anywhere else..
8:40
Tank Destroyer : "No armor is too tough!"
Me : "No armor = too tough? Hmmmmmmmmm."
Lol that actually makes sense, tank destroyer doesn't even seen to scratch units without armor.
"Not a tank I can't break" is an accurate voice line considering it's utterly useless against anything that isnt a tank
A question mark in the middle of the sentence will complete the illusion
since most players and the ai tend to go tank and veachle heavy and not combind arms etc the tank destroyer is more of a counter the pvp matter.
TD is pretty crap against buildings, pretty sure I have seen a video showcasing mass team battle with Rhino VS TankDestroyed, and the TD loses with equal numbers.
@@D_U_N_E Yeah, because Rhinos have more range and can fire on the move.
still useless on miners, mcv, and terror drones
*got an armor piercing projectile in the head*
Infantry: "Hah! Good thing I'm not a tank! :D"
Yuri Prime: we'll see about that *uses mind control and makes the infantryman change his profession to tank driver*
Tank Destroyer: there's no armor I can't penetrate!
Was für Kopfschmerzen...
@Shadow Hedgehog am i the only person who has experienced the worst RA2 nightmare ever ? When you dont know the game to well and you make many tank destroyers but when you attack , your enemy spams conscripts at you and you give up on life as your units crumble and dont do anything to the enemy.
Even worse, when you dont know the grave mistake youre doing...
@Shadow Hedgehog lol that's an interesting suicide method, I've had many funny fails, chrono legionnaire in a Yuri base getting mind controlled before getting rid of the Construction yard, having my base so full of infantry that when a genetic mutator activated I basically lost the game (Spoiler: they thrashed my whole base and I was left with only my airport and barracks until some other player came by and swarmed my base), oh and I can never forget that I lost against a map.... You read right, I lost against a map, it was a map with a neutral fortress in the middle of the map and after I beat the other players I tried to attack the middle and I failed again and again despite having almost unlimited gold and over a thousand units.
Oh I forgot the funniest part, my laptop battery died and by that time I have only destroyed a corner of the fortress after 10 attempts.
Epic duel: tank destroyer VS sniper
It happened, no winners
tank destroyer just crush sniper.
@@Power_Soon_yaya--9804 no there was a video of a veteran sniper vs t destroyer. The rule was that there would be no crushing and no one won
It will be infinity war 😂
what do you mean no winner. Does it mean both unit health never drop to 0?
1:48 KIROV REPORTING
Tank destroyers is one of the best concepts but worst executed unit in the game.
- It can't shoot while moving so against a player with actual skill, you'll land pretty much half as many shots in mobilized combat.
- Obsolete toward anything else other than vehicles, it takes 12 shells to kill infantry and it's like throwing a pebble against structures.
- Even the "tank killing" identity is piss poor as it's only slightly better than the other universal tanks that can do great against everything. It's taken down to 20% against a 1v1 vs Rhino, THE STARTING TANK of an entire faction. Doesn't sound too hot when it's specialized to deal with tanks while forfeiting speed, defense and versatility.
Westwood was scared of making a true tank killer because of possible balance issues as the game is indeed heavily intense in mechanized combat... but instead of finding a middle grond (make it more expensive (1200) in exchange for granting it to do 2X the damage it deals to vehicles. Opponents then will counter it by using infantry if Germany mass produce it (as those tanks are useless against structures, they will exert 0 pressure and get annihilated by a couple of GIs. It won't be broken as they are still super slow and can get outmaneuvered by faster units.
Just a random morning ran lol not like any of it matters now
Do hope there are mods out there that actually give Tank Killers a place in the game tho, I love the concept and art design of it (also just a Germany fan in general)
they try to make you smarter because you mustn't abuse the unit power, you must use strategy
It’s called using “strategy”. I know it’s a new concept on this tank but it’s possible
ming lee if you have a problem with tank destroyer so lead SEAL follow them
I wish they made Tesla Tanks even better. It's not as bad as the Tank Destroyer, but it's worse than a Prism Tank. I wish they gave it the same Attack Range as a Prism Tank.
How about just extending the range of the tank destroyer while decreasing its armor? That alone could provide some interesting play - counter play where the tank destroyer serves as a pseudo artillery against other tanks as well as a possible flanker, but at the same time it leaves them open for being flanked by things like Terror drones?
“Not a tank, I can’t break.”
“No armour is too tough.”
🤔🤔🤔
2:27
"Kirov Reporting" was heard from afar
Tank Destroyer : surprised Pikachu face.
nice to find some people still keeping this alive
I miss this game so much
TD: "Not a tank I cant break"
*Gets split in half by Apocalypse 2s later*
Pit two Tank Destroyers again one Apocalypse Tank and they will win. The Apoc costs almost as much as two of them.
@@dragonstormx And a hell of alot more. For tank destroyers to be worth it, they should have longer range.
@@danb4900 Another idea to fix them would be to just give them turrets and let them have normal damage against infantry.
Would that make them worth using? Assuming the opponent doesn't put too much stock in tanks that is.
Well, they can break Apocalypses. But they didn't say Apocalypses can't break them first xD
True battle for the ages: Tank Destroyer v Navy Seal.
Legends say that tg is still recording the battle
What if the tank destroyer just runs over the Seal?
Nope, seal is actually going to win that one handily, seals are stupidly overpowered
SPECIAL DELIVERY!!
@@meowistforlife uh seals do piss poor damage against tanks?
Tank destroyer: "Not a tank I can't break."
Apocalypse tank: "These will be your last moments!"
Cc tao nè bắc kỳ
Qq backe
6:47 "not a tank i can't break"
His lines are actually: "Not a tank, i cant break." And "No armor, is too tough"
tank destroyer voice: "No armor is too tough!"
apocalypse tank: k
i LOVE the Voice lines for the tank destroyer, its such a bummer the thing is so bad
In the original RA2, that voiceline did not exist and every faction vehicle has the same voiceline as their respective tank/ship
It's "soviet power supreme"
Sion Profile Picture. A man of culture
Shut up weeaboo apocalypse tanks is suck
Oreminers not tanks.
Jet fighters tanks.
RA2 is wierd.
Nothing weird about that. If harvester damage wouldn't have been scaled down, Germany would end up being broken with only Yuri being able to counter it.
@@Mr440c Yuri counters everything...
To be fair, Yuri's Slave Miner (I forget the name) is technically a building
@@bluenova123 the most powerful human with brain that can control every manned unit
But let he meet terror drone
@@volknetai.3690 But did terror drones meet the gattling tanks?
I like apocalypse tank voice.
Best change they did in Yuri's Revenge was the Apocalypse Quotes and voice!
I like the boomer's voice specially when it says "they will never see it coming"
the instrument of doom
I cast a deadly shadow.
It will soon be a wasteland
People quick to comment how a Tank Destroyer can't kill a conscript (a human can stay low and dodge non explosive projectiles with some chance, talk about how is it possible after firing 10 times NOT to deal more than 10% damage on a frigging stationary huge ass power plant.
I wonder if the Apocalypse Tank can take on the Overlord tank
holy jezz, is that an active Red Alert 2 channel? SUBBEED!
I recently started making Red Alert 2 Videos. Thank you!
Great to see those comparison. Thanks
I didn't found the comparison of:
Tank Destroyer 1st Rank VS War Miner and Slave Miner 1st rank. (As well as 3rd Rank)
war miner loses, slave miner wins
Tank Destroyer : * Exist *
Anything that's literally not a tank, apocalypse tanks and MCVs: * Exist *
Tank Destroyer : REEEEEEEE
There's a big reason why people still prefer to use MBTs than Tank Destroyers is that MBTs have a traversing turret. And can outmanuever TDs. But, yeah in a controlled environment in terms of damage, it's the TDs for the most part.
And yes, hands down Rhino Tank is the best MBT. In equal numbers, sure the Apoc wins, but realistically, if the Apocs outnumber your Rhinos, that's your fault. Though one can argue, what about Mirage Tanks, then that's just fighting the wrong battle because you're going against instant-hit anti-armor. The Soviets have very crappy late game in general, their viable artillery options are just either Siege Choppers or Dreads, their fairly competent but it in pales in comparison to the likes of instant-hits lije Magnetrons or Prisms.
Thanks for the scientific explanation professor
Well its true, sure cool game and all but... balance??... nope, and it can get hard to just laugh, hahah its a cool game who cares, when some units are just useless as hell.
Good damge, decent cost, useless.. i guess it counter apoc tanks well on elite level since you can get 2 for 1 of them, you just need to get those 2 to elite rank. Also you can't really do much with them, unless your enemy decides to build tanks they are useless.. at least an MBT would be good in general. And that thing is only "decent" at the only thing it can do. Of course nothing beats the kirov in being useless, as seen in the video about anti-air untis killing kirovs.
Balance isn't exactly this game's forte.
But that's just the thing, the imbalance makes this game fun believe it or not, eventhough there are situations where you cannot recover easily from; a lost MCV without a means to replace it, playing against a Yuri who knows the meta (there's a big reason why Yuri is banned in competitive play), etc.
I think a lot of fun from it is just coming up with ridiculous strategies that may or may not work-- since there is the mighty Soviet Tank Rush meta and it's counter of just being faster than the Sov player or stalling until Mirage Tanks. There's great sense of accomplish conquering odds in this game is what I'm saying.
But telsa tank kinda main main, also grizzzly tank is kinda light and maybe it for defense, lasher tank shell kinda like grizzly shell. Flak track, IFV, gattling tank have same abilities is anti-aircraft
Are you sure? I think If I put 5 Chronosphere soldiers in the Battle Fortress and Bring Tank Destroyers im sure the Rhino Tanks and Apoc tanks are annhilated
Well it does its job well being a "Tank Destroyer" we're asking a little too much from it to be able to destroy a battle fortress tank or an apocalypse tank... They're both super tanks with unrealistic concepts, meanwhile the tank destroyer actually existed somewhat.
It's basically a modernized elefant tank from world war 2
Very nicely done comprehensive test! That ending against one conscript was pretty funny too XD
Thank you very much sir!
The only "tank" in RA2 - Apocalypse. It kills tanks, infantry and air units the same, it regens, has a ton of HP and boy, the way an elite apocalypse fires...
That's the reason why its called the 'apocalypse' tank
When did apocalypse hit air units
@@TheTriangle444 since forever, that's what the missile launchers on it are for.
@@TheTriangle444 that's.....before red alert 3.
Shut up prism tanks is the best
it seems they are best being Aircraft destroyers
Apocalypes: Yow! Tank Destroyer.
Tank Destroyer: Sup! Tank Destroyer destroyer
I subbed you keep yuris revenge available
Loni Loud[Du Gamer/UA-camr/Messager] thanks !
what were they thinking when coming up with the firing sound of the Rhino tank? it sounds like it's got hiccups.
Tank destroyer: I fear no tank. But that thing (ore miner)
*It scares me.*
I love the test setup but sadly it does not take into consideration the turning of the tank destroyer.
I think with a turn-able turret the tank would be able to fulfill its function, It would be fine if it did the same damage as the grizzly tank to buildings and infantry
Very satisfying video :)
damn i love urvideos as much as spirit of the law for AoE II. I was missing that type of content to my another favourite RTS series. Big bow to You Mr tgSacred. :-)
5:44 press S repeatively to fast embark infantries into vehicles when they are loading up
One of the few games that did age well!
Your videos are the future dude
i guess "No armor is too tough besides miners" didn't roll off the tongue
chrono miner oh come on :D
Chrono Miner: Just fcking finish it already
Оооочень круто :)
С золотодобытчиками удивил, с концовкой рассмешил :)))
So... The Tank Destroyer is least useless against Destroyers. Which are naval units. Not tanks.
Because of course it is.
It would be cool if tank destroyers were cheaper or had higher armor value to justify its role.
Or make them stay true to real life. Like having a long range attack
What was that last conscript made out off
I guess I'll be building War miners against Germany
😂😂😂
Im curious if there is a mod witch lets you build all special units at the same time that would be awsome
lol The Tank Destroyer literally destroys Magnetrons in one hit. Talk about fragile.
Problem is Yuri player will alt click mag bug glitch them so they are paralyzed for mind control or gatt spam
Magnetrons have long range so they can lift TDs before they ever enter range
I think when you go tank verses tank, you should take into account the cost. For example, the apocalypse tank costs almost double that of a tank destroyer, so you really should have two TD's against one Apocalypse for a fair comparison of what you can make for the cost. When you take into account the cost, the bank for the buck starts to go in favor of the TD. It has an armor piercing of 150 verses the grizzly's 65 and more armor. Just need some anti-infantry units a long with it for support.
Neil Roy making a fair comparison taking everything into account is impossible. Some units are cheaper and yet already stronger.
I just keep it simple and I believe everyone can just get an idea.
At 7:24 you can click on the building then hold shift and click on the other 2 separately it will select the 3 buildings
That conscript in the end...
Waiting tank destroyer for killing an infantry or distroying a building like waiting the judgment day
I feel like it needs a bit more range to be effective for that price. In mixed armies it can do well but it's micro intense.
The issue with tank destroyers is attack move. They can only hit whats in front of them and can easily get out flanked.
Where do you get your Red alert 2 and c&c tib sun cus mine on origin doesnt wkrk :(
While definitely lacking... The strategy is to use these guys in a fixed position, preferably defensive. The yuri mission in Africa even suggests that, since you start the mission early on with lasher tanks rushing you.
There's even storys of Germans in Normandy using tanks on roads, between hedges and really slowing the allies down.
the tank destroyer is basically the dude that says "You mad bro? come at me!"
Nice comparison! By the way, can you compare the speed of soviet terror drone and yuri's chaos drone?
You just gave me an idea for comparing the fastest unit in-game!
Never actually thought of how well armoured those ore miners were. Even the allied chrono miner impressed me and it's armours generally not as good as the soviet war miner! It was especially interesting to see the tank destroyer fare worse against their armour than the other tanks; on that note the other tanks seemed to have an easier time breaking through the ore miner armour for some reason.....
I suspect that the armor is actually so thin that the AP rounds of the tank destroyer just zoom right through, while the normal tanks fire HE rounds against them.
...Or, it could just be game balance.
Yeah that's an interesting way of looking at it; I do like that idea. During conflict certain shells will simply be better for other targets. Personally I would've initially thought well the ore miners are technically not tanks in the game and it generally received damage bonuses vs tanks rather than any other vehicle type but then there's the fact the tank destroyer did quite well against other *non-tank* vehicles such as the destroyer and IFV so it makes my theory debatable. :)
Damocles178 The miners can hold against nukes...
There are different armor types in game, miners have concrete type of armor, which is usually used on buildings, which destroyers are weak against.
I think miners just have really large hp(1000)
8:43 reminds me of a lego red alert series where some allied soldiers are standing around counting how many TD shells one can take. Eventually the guy even catches one.
Oh, the C&C Legos series by CNCNZ...
Yeah, those were funny...
(boop)... 97... (boop)... 98...
I think it's safe to say, Tank Destroyers are largely situational in terms of effectiveness.
Great vid
You can use Shift + Left Click to select multiple buildings, just so you know.
That also enables you to set multiple waypoints from multiple production buildings at the same time.
Edit: Also, you have to click each building individually, while holding Shift. The dragbox method won't work with buildings.
these videos are awesome.
is it because infantrymen duck and cover, giving them a fair chance to avoid splash and direct hit from these German unique unit?
What are the keyboard commands to get them to attack like that?
Z is the waypoint while holding Ctrl will enable you to attack anything you target.
Do tanks have different armor on different sides (front, rear, side)?
Yuji Liu nope, it’s all the same
In actual encounters the TD sucks. Most players just spam Grizzly and Rhino tanks, skirt around and flank you since they can shoot while moving. The TD has no turret and needs to turn and stop momentarily to shoot. It's useless against players, useful against the dumb AI.
Fun fact: the TD is based on the real life Swedish S-Tank (Stridsvagn 103).
Isn't it the Marder tank?
Yup it suck...it totally useless against other units...
i really miss this game.. 🤙
tank destroyer :not a tank i can't break
apocalypse tank : we are the instrument of Doom
The instrument of doom
Useless against anything without armour basically.
I really need to insteal RA2 on my macbook, does anyone know how?
In order to save ammo the tank destroyer fires sponges and cupcakes at infantry
I always thought wtf is that sound at 0:51 perhaps a bug?
reminds me spiritofthelaws AOE 2 content.
So... The only 2 weaknesses of tank destroyer is terror drone or apocalypse?
I don't know why the TD doesn't have a greater range than normal tanks. Because building damage is so low its not like you could exploit terrain and whatnot
I don't actually think it's that war miners have thicker armor rather the category of armor is actually comparable to structural armor. This test actually confirms it. If a tank destroyer attacks structures they do little damage but not quite negligible. But if a rhino tank shot at structures, it would do much more in comparison.
Me: "You could, eh, crush the infantry?"
Tank Destroyer: "WIE, DAS GEHT AUCH?"
Tank destroyer: you have to get through me first
Apocalypse: challenge accepted
No armor's too tough-
Slave Miner: LOL
Anyone try to click off the units put just paused the video?
İn this game best voice is "Mission accomplished"
Conscript: ma gonna end this man's career.
Honestly, the TD does better than I figured it would. Everyone bashes them for being useless, but vs vehicles, they outdo pretty much anything other than top-tier anti-tank vehicles like the apocalypse or battle fortress. Sure, they are less versatile, but in massed tank battles, they are certainly an upgrade over any lower tier tank. The only other possible drawback would be cost/build time,but I don't know what the difference there would be
apocalypse vs battlefortes?
My god, i only now realised - it's JgPz E100...
This could have been the Rhino Tank spam counter but they couldn't even get that right.
It stood no chance against the instrument of doom
Didn't know the TD can kill ships that quick...
is there a way to matchup an apocalypse and a mammoth tank?
Possibly. I'll see when I start to mess a bit with the ini files.
lol Slave miners and Terror drones. XD
Its good for tactic
Well, Slave Miners are both harvesters AND refineries.
Neko_ValentinE_Butterfly Slave miner is one of the heaviest armored units(2000hp compared to 800 of apocalypse tank).
Terror drones are infantries produced in the war factory.
damn i will now also call them boat destroyers
destroyer is sad man! destroyer is the the only ship destroyer in game
meanwhile the yellow aircraft on it just sits and does nothing
@@llVIU but when a submarine come...
cette chaine est clôturé. Destroyer will lose a 1v1 against typhoon
@@chengyunma4497 because they cannot hit the typhone IN THE FIRST PLACE
German accent for this is dope!
Harrier:
Tank destroyer: its free real estate
@tgSacred Ken you put a download link of this map on this video? Please
Kirov reporting!
7:25 press shift to choose multiple friendly structures