I've recommended the Shinto saw rasp to quite a few people. Genuinely good. I first encountered it in a luthiery video on carving guitar necks from Crimson Guitars, but find it really useful for general home woodworking.
Great comparison and review! I own both types myself, and it seems obvious now that I should be using the Shinto more often. I do find however, that the cheese-grater-like Sureform works better on extremely soft materials (pine, plastic), and on items that I would not want to use a nice rasp on. It works great on gypsum drywall for instance!
Hi @cjanoch, I agree, keep the Shinto for the good stuff! The Shinto is a pretty unique tool and the surform was the only Western equivalent I could think of to compare it with. They both have their place in the workshop but the Shinto is my favourite.
Thank you for that comparison, I think that it confirms my decision to order the Shinto - I'll be using it for the initial preparation for hiking sticks; that'd involve bark stripping and some reshaping. It looked better for the job instead of a spoke shave or a draw knife. We'll see!
Next time you do tests keep the playing field the same. On the surface radius test, you used the western rasp quickly on one side. Then you used two different shintos on the other side and said it makes a smoother surface
I’d like to know how the Shinto compares to a decent quality cabinet makers rasp. I’m looking into purchasing a good quality rasp and the price on the Shinto is enticing compared to the $100 or more for a good cabinet makers rasp.
Hi Jeremy, yes, it's difficult to find a western equivalent to the Shinto rasp. The Wataoka rasps that I've also demonstrated on the video are basically western style rasps but they are made in Japan. The western style rasp leaves a better finish on the work but for rapid stock removal and shaping nothing beats the Shinto. You could have a look at the wataoka rasps, they are very good quality and sell for around the $40aud mark.
The biggest downside to watching this video demonstration is that you are using the rasps incorrectly. When you shave the wood against the wood grain, even Jarrah, the fibers of the wood tend to tear out, thus increasing the possibility that the wood becomes less usable for most if not all projects. While I understand that you are simply using these rasps to see how much wood you can shave off, it serves no purpose as most woodworkers would NOT use a rasp this way to remove wood as demonstrated; again even if it is a dense wood with tight fibers. I think it would have been a better demo of the various rasps of this type and how much wood each removes by simply demonstrating the proper way to use each one. In doing so, you would have still made your point of comparing how much wood is removed by each rasp. To further demonstrate my point, imagine the project is simply to round over the sides or corners of a wooden cutting board; one great purpose for using a rasp. If you were to use the rasp incorrectly as you have done in this video, and the wood tore or ripped away wood fibers when you rasp against the grain, because of the tearing out of the wood fibers, the woodworker would then have to resaw the board on the side where the wood fibers tore out in order to eliminate the now unevenness and/or pitting of the project.
I've recommended the Shinto saw rasp to quite a few people. Genuinely good. I first encountered it in a luthiery video on carving guitar necks from Crimson Guitars, but find it really useful for general home woodworking.
Hi Thank you! Yes, the Shinto comes in handy on a lot of woodworking projects.
Love my Shinto rasp. Got turned onto it by Paul Sellers. Wouldn't trade it for any other rasp
I Agree! It's a very handy tool.
Great comparison and review! I own both types myself, and it seems obvious now that I should be using the Shinto more often. I do find however, that the cheese-grater-like Sureform works better on extremely soft materials (pine, plastic), and on items that I would not want to use a nice rasp on. It works great on gypsum drywall for instance!
Hi @cjanoch, I agree, keep the Shinto for the good stuff! The Shinto is a pretty unique tool and the surform was the only Western equivalent I could think of to compare it with. They both have their place in the workshop but the Shinto is my favourite.
Thank you Sir 🎉
You're welcome, thanks for watching.
Thank you for that comparison, I think that it confirms my decision to order the Shinto - I'll be using it for the initial preparation for hiking sticks; that'd involve bark stripping and some reshaping. It looked better for the job instead of a spoke shave or a draw knife. We'll see!
Hi, thank you for watching. The Shinto is an awesome tool! I hope the bark stripping is going well.
game changer for scoring or plane-ing rough lumber
It truly is a game changer! Thanks for watching.
Next time you do tests keep the playing field the same. On the surface radius test, you used the western rasp quickly on one side. Then you used two different shintos on the other side and said it makes a smoother surface
Will bear it in mind, cheers.
I’d like to know how the Shinto compares to a decent quality cabinet makers rasp. I’m looking into purchasing a good quality rasp and the price on the Shinto is enticing compared to the $100 or more for a good cabinet makers rasp.
Hi Jeremy, yes, it's difficult to find a western equivalent to the Shinto rasp. The Wataoka rasps that I've also demonstrated on the video are basically western style rasps but they are made in Japan. The western style rasp leaves a better finish on the work but for rapid stock removal and shaping nothing beats the Shinto. You could have a look at the wataoka rasps, they are very good quality and sell for around the $40aud mark.
@@ebonisto thanks for the info, I’ll look into it!
where do i get that awesome handle for the shinto handle
Hello, the handle you see in this video is the old wooden style handle. The new stock has a polymer handle. The old handle is much nicer, I agree.
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SHINTO rasp: www.ebonisto.com.au/product-page/shinto-saw-rasp-large
SHINTO rasp w/ handle: www.ebonisto.com.au/product-page/shinto-saw-rasp-with-cranked-handle-sr30
WATAOKA types: www.ebonisto.com.au/product-page/wataoka-rasps
Hello, could you do the same for chisels ?
Hello, We probably will do a video about Japanese chisels not too far I'm the future.
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The biggest downside to watching this video demonstration is that you are using the rasps incorrectly. When you shave the wood against the wood grain, even Jarrah, the fibers of the wood tend to tear out, thus increasing the possibility that the wood becomes less usable for most if not all projects. While I understand that you are simply using these rasps to see how much wood you can shave off, it serves no purpose as most woodworkers would NOT use a rasp this way to remove wood as demonstrated; again even if it is a dense wood with tight fibers.
I think it would have been a better demo of the various rasps of this type and how much wood each removes by simply demonstrating the proper way to use each one. In doing so, you would have still made your point of comparing how much wood is removed by each rasp.
To further demonstrate my point, imagine the project is simply to round over the sides or corners of a wooden cutting board; one great purpose for using a rasp. If you were to use the rasp incorrectly as you have done in this video, and the wood tore or ripped away wood fibers when you rasp against the grain, because of the tearing out of the wood fibers, the woodworker would then have to resaw the board on the side where the wood fibers tore out in order to eliminate the now unevenness and/or pitting of the project.