By the time 1971 came around, Tyler's go to was weed, coke, and Jack Daniels. It gradually grew to heroine, LSD, quaaludes, acid, and pain killers. He had sobriety and wagon failures several times up until 2008 and has been "clean" since...
It may not be the classic Aerosmith line up but I love Rock in Hard Place. It's a great hard rock album. Steven Tyler delivers his vocals with so much swagger on that album. And he obviously had a good writing relationship with Jimmy Crespo for the short time they worked together. I think the album deserves to be recognized amongst their best work. But I'm glad Joe and Brad returned.
saw them live with the two new guys on guitar and they were really good, considering the boots they had to fill. Crespo and Dufay are both amazing guitarists.
Little bit of high, a whole lotta depressed and quite possibly tired as well. He seemed anything but thrilled to be giving this interview. Glad he and Joe made it through to the other side. Crespo seemed more high than Steven.
The thought of them retiring is so sad. Every good thing comes to an end. They were the best of the best. Nothing but love for Steven, Joe, Tom, Joey and Brad. ❤
Well if you're not counting the original line up releasing Done With Mirrors in 1985, I guess it would be 5 years lol. Certainly was not a favorite album of mine.
Couldn't disagree more.....I love this album.....the 3 Joe Perry albums were phenomenal as well...saw both in concert...saw the incredible reunion tour in 84.....Done with Mirrors and that tour was fantastic....after that I was done with them...Angel....?Jaime'sGot A Gun...?.Jaded....?.....MTV sellout commercial trash...never bought listened or followed them again....that's ok.....73 - 86 gives me all the Aerosmith I'll ever need.....live and studio....
Boy he is high as hell And looks very depressed I can empathize with poor Steven It was a wonderful thing when he straightened up In the band got back together However Rick to jimmy Crespo did 1 hell of a job filling in.
Seen them live with Crespo and Duffy on Feb 14, 1984 at the Boston Orpheum. It was my first concert. I love the original line up personally but the Rock in a hard place album was not really that bad. It had that classic Aerosmith sound.
First one up to rock in a Hard Place were masterpieces done with mirrors was also very good but the 90s stuff apart from the hits was all just filler sappy nonsense Just push play ans music from another dimension is awful however live they are still an unstoppable force
I can't believe this guitarist guy with the "I don't know nuttin". Too geeked to speak. You can hear Steven's exasperated "geez" after that. They happily got sober and reunited then reigned supreme on MTV 👍💕
Not the same guitarist. The guitarist in this video is Jimmy Crespo. Joe Perry & Brad Whitford didn't reunite with Aerosmith until early 1984. I assume Jimmy Crespo just wasn't too interested in doing this interview.
I saw Aerosmith in 1980 with Jimmy and he was fantastik...A Blues guitar player, and Steve and Brad let him play...It was cool...We were on LSD....Seen them with Joe in the 70s three times and fuckin killer of course...
@@theghostnextdoor We saw them in NY when we were 17 in 1975..Then in NY in 76, and 77..Then in Florida in 1980 with Jimmy..Then in Florida in 1984 with Joe....They were sloppy live in the 70s but it didn't matter. It was the fuckin' 70s and it was a party every time...In 1980 with Jimmy Crespo, Jimmy kicked rock and roll ass..Killer blues playing..Blues on steroids..I remember it crystal clear..It almost made us forget about Joe Perry leaving the band. Then in 1984 with Joe back, they kicked ass of course.. After a decade of playing live and better sound systems..That's the last time we ever saw them live in person..So after watching all the dvds they have, and all the You Tube live stuff over the next 40 yrs...Here's the deal.. Aerosmith got better, and better, and better, and better live..Isn't that the way it's supposed to be after years and years of practice? lol frankny65yroldwhitekid rockfan
We saw Aerosmith in NY when we were 17 in 1975..Then in NY in 76, and 77..Then in Florida in 1980 with Jimmy..Then in Florida in 1984 with Joe....They were sloppy live in the 70s but it didn't matter. It was the fuckin' 70s and it was a party every time...In 1980 with Jimmy Crespo, Jimmy kicked rock and roll ass..Killer blues playing..Blues on steroids..I remember it crystal clear..It almost made us forget about Joe Perry leaving the band. Then in 1984 with Joe back, they kicked ass of course after a decade of playing live, and better sound systems..That's the last time we ever saw them live in person..So after watching all the dvds they have, and all the You Tube live stuff over the next 40 yrs...Here's the deal.. Aerosmith got better, and better, and better, and better live..Isn't that the way it's supposed to be after years and years of practice? frankny65yroldwhitekid rockfan PS In 1977 we saw Zeppelin at The Garden.and Pink Floyd Animals Tour a month later there. ..Skynyrd in 1976. Queen, David Bowie Ziggy Stardust..Black Sabbath with Ozzy in 75, and 77, and lots of others. And that's not counting the 80s...Tickets were always under $10 back then.The only other killer band we never got to see was Deep Purple..WOW this was exhausting to type..I'm getting tooo old for this..lol..
@@theghostnextdoor We saw Aerosmith in NY when we were 17 in 1975..Then in NY in 76, and 77..Then in Florida in 1980 with Jimmy..Then in Florida in 1984 with Joe....They were sloppy live in the 70s but it didn't matter. It was the fuckin' 70s and it was a party every time...In 1980 with Jimmy Crespo, Jimmy kicked rock and roll ass..Killer blues playing..Blues on steroids..I remember it crystal clear..It almost made us forget about Joe Perry leaving the band. Then in 1984 with Joe back, they kicked ass of course after a decade of playing live, and better sound systems..That's the last time we ever saw them live in person..So after watching all the dvds they have, and all the You Tube live stuff over the next 40 yrs...Here's the deal.. Aerosmith got better, and better, and better, and better live..Isn't that the way it's supposed to be after years and years of practice? lol frankny65yroldwhitekid rockfan PS In 1977 we saw Zeppelin at The Garden.and Pink Floyd Animals Tour a month later there. ..Skynyrd in 1976. Queen, David Bowie Ziggy Stardust..Black Sabbath with Ozzy in 75, and 77, and lots of others. And that's not counting the 80s...Tickets were always under $10 back then.The only other killer band we never got to see back then was Deep Purple..WOW this was exhausting to type..I'm getting tooo old for this...There's a live show from 1980 with Jimmy Crespo on You Tube from the same tour we seen....That tells the story..I think it's still on there..I have to check..I recorded it a few years ago just in case
Looks to be about the lowest point for Steven. We all know smack is no fkn good...and watching this is proof of that. He just can’t be bothered. Addiction is giving everything up for one thing. Recovery is giving up one thing for everything. Crespo I heard was a sober soul. No drink, no drug. Must have been a weird place for him but...he got to play with a legend.
This is your brain on heroin and coke. The two of them. I so love the upbeat and funny Steven Tyler after he settled down a whole lot on the chemistry set. Seeing him strung out and miserable like this is hard. He's such a different person, and incredible performer when not jacked up on junk. He knows it too!
I agree. He is usually so charming and outgoing. Here, during his darkest days of heroin, he definitely lost his spark. He is heavily strung out here. Glad he came back from that. So many don't.
We all have our moments. We are all diifferent people in different situations. It is not fair to judge, None of us are 'perfect'. I am in the music industry and know many who do coke and worse. It is up to them. I just know we need to look out for each other. Respect and don't be offended.
Tylers in fuckin orbit during this interview, Smacked out of his mind. Crespo doesn't look far behind, I thought he was better than Perry when it came to all the drugs that dragged them down. Steverino like to shoot coke as well. He was a wreck. The whole band was baked. It's amazing that they managed to make Rock in Hard Place. How nobody died is amazing!!
@@benkramer9176 Steven Tyler would definitely say what Tyler Mod said because he admits it was an adventure while calling his heroine addiction his chinchilla coat of armor during an interview with Opera. "The drugs for me was falling down the rabbit hole. I know Alice (smiles widely and chuckles)... Oh yea we had an affair for a long time" - Steven Tyler
besides being royally fucked up on heroin, he looks healthy, put on some weight, normally he's much thinner. Hair and skin look good. But he's is clearly wasted on heroin. Normally he is a lot fun, fast talking with a sharp wit.
Saw the whole original band in ‘83 rehearsing at the Glen Ellen Country club in Millis Massachusetts for 3 months when I worked Security at that Golfcourse. When they first got back together. Really friendly and Cool guys! Couldn’t believe how short Brad and Joe were!
At this point Steven has no idea what classic videos they're gonna make in the future - Cryin, Janie, Crazy, Amazing, Dude, Pink, Rag Doll, Blind Man, Hole in My Soul, Jaded, Livin on the Edge!!!
Exactly, why is everyone so focused on them being high. It was the early 80’s everyone dabbled in those days, we all did blow, it was pretty much normal in those day. especially Rock stars.! Despite anything Aerosmith kicked ass and millions loved them and their music…
As much as i adore Joe Perry i often think had Crespo & Dufay stayed though they wouldn’t have been anywhere near as commercially successful they would have made at least two more blistering rock album’s similar to Rock In A Hard Place which i think i would have loved. However i never would have got to see the classic & original legendary line up live 3 times which i truly treasure
Its very evident that he was fucked up to the Core at this point in his life... i think the aerosmith reunión was not only a Money thing, but one of survival
He is the first guy to admit heroin brought to his knees. He lost everything. Family, friends, money, cars, and even his plane, Probably the biggest comeback story in rock history. He is flying on heroin in this interview
True But lets not act like he wasnt doing plenty of blow and that would be easily more accessible more common and way easier to find and easier to handle, but its just when he happened to have heroin he could just fence himself up in a room and snort himself to what was it i forget it was either 97lb or 88lb i forget its been a few years since i saw the lowest number quoted, but 76 pontiac silverdome you get to see how small he got and thats while wearing something that exaggerates a persons frame. i've done all of it and wore all the same stuff, heroins got teeth for some people like it did with Jagger smoking it, Jerry Garcia Smoking it, Steven snorting it, Billy Idol Snorting it, where as others like to move and not hide away, thats What Ozzy Osbourne was like, Then Lemmy was different yet again with amphetamine. i had heroin kill me used it again and was still never enthused about it, i never got what the great legend about it was like but for others it does that it absolutely gives them that blanket that says ''Don't worry it's all good, stay with me and you'll always go back to that warm cozy place'' where as all the other drugs largely are unpredictable with each usage other than acid which isnt addictive. but lets not act like the dragon cant be tamed here Bill Burroughs was doing it for 40 years straight he must of had some kind of leash on it to have a habit last that damn long, and he was what? in his 80's when he died. So sometimes yeah......but sometimes no, its the person not the drug, thats evidenced by the fact that not everyone gets addicted or chooses to do the same drugs over and over, or some dont get elated by the same experiences others do and consider it potential hell.
@@archilonshadowheart7 Heroin brought Tyler down to the very bottom. From the guy who pushed and led his band to stardom, then just gave up trying. Thankfully, one or two therapist got through to him and he got sober ( finally ). A truly gifted musician and one of the best entertainers in rock.
@@toddlavigne6441 Nah, Steven wasn't the first musician to openly admit being an addict or defeated by drugs. Who told you that? Lou Reed,Ozzy,Keith Richards,Elton John,Billy Idol,Eric Clapton,Nikki Sixx,etc.. Not to mention Steven's other half of the "Toxic Twins" Joe Perry.
That's not what I meant. I mean he is always the first to admit it ruined him. He is 100% open and honest regarding heroin bringing him down. I didn't mean he was the only guy in music to admit their downfall. He doesn't allow speculation, he just says " it took me down " Of coarse many have been ruined by heroin.
Crespo was trying to write the music and deal with Tyler at the same time... and surviving Steven. He succeded in my opinion, but I suppose he left because caring for Steven during that time was an impossible task, even dangerous... We have to thank him for Rock In A Hard Place because it's a great album
101 comments as of writing this. Since all that people seem to be looking at is if someone is high, drunk, etc., did anyone listen to what was being said? Steven Tyler and MTV are literally auditioning each other. This is ground zero for the cross over between rap and rock. Steven is asking MTV how big are you. MTV is saying we are big enough, can you give us something good. In July of 1986, "Walk This Way" came over the airways (I remember it well). At 1:38 (approx.) into the video (Walk This Way) Steven gave MTV what they wanted (by sticking a MIC stand through the wall) and a whole new style of music was born. Sometimes you can learn from listening to what people are saying instead of just trying to figure out there intoxication status in an interview (that's really boring people).
@@billbazen9432 talk about over analysis . nobody knew who run dmc was at this point. this was mtv looking for content and the management of this band that was failing apart trying get them as much as press as they could end of story. auditioning each other yeah ok 🤣
Boy, he's so out of it. I'm not used to seeing him so low energy. He just about lost everything and his life during this time. This tour for Rock In a Hard Place turned out to be a disaster. The album is really good though. .
He’s a bit on the edge of a nod at times or maybe just tired. Still charming. His dark side was ruling 100% at that time, though. Glad he pulled out of that and found balance.
I don't know of too many rock stars who weren't into a lot of different "treats",yes him&Joe Perry were called the toxic twins,but the entire band indulged, I've read all their books. Don't forget Ozzy, Motley Crue, Elton John, could go on&on, unfortunately is the fame,$$& lifestyle. One thing is at idk how they meaning many old rockers at 70-75 can do 2hr concerts with the energy they do, I'm 15yrs younger& I couldn't run for 2hrs,lol!
When Jimmy Crespo Joined Aerosmith He Headed To BCRich and We Built Him A Few Guitars I Asked Him “” What’s It Like in Aerosmith “”? He Said They Party Like No Other Band 6 Months Later I See Jimmy Crespo and He Looked Beat Up He Said These Guys Just Party 24/7
Done With Mirrors in 85 had zero hits, but it was the last album album the classic Aerosmith sound. But they needed hits, so they went on a Permanent Vacation.
Done With Mirrors is an underrated album. It’s rough, less polished however it’s also a great look into Aerosmith’s soul. Let The Music Do The Talking peaked at #18. So yes it did have a hit…not a big one however a “hit” is anything that lands in the top 40.
The music video clip Steven Tyler is referring to at 9:28 is MISSING PERSONS 'Words', in particular frontwoman Dale Bozzio. 'Rock In A Hard Place' isn't the best AEROSMITH album, but it's the most underrated. The dark horse in their catalogue
He had legal guardianship, but still, you can't have sex with a fifteen year old. If this woman were to come forward she could have him charged. However, it's possible he has long since settled $$$ with her and a NDA
It seems like everyone is making a horribly unfounded assumption that Steven is high as a kite in this interview. What's your problem? I guarantee you, if you were to read the transcript of this interview without video, you would discover that Steven answered every question articulately and coherently. If anything, this interview demonstrates that despite losing his best friend and having to adapt to two new guitarists, Steven was able to shoulder the burden and maintain Aerosmith's continuity until prodigal Joe returned from his experiment. Thanks to Steven and Jimmy, Aerosmith never broke up and can proudly be hailed as the world's most durable rock band.
He's not incoherent at all, but he's high as fuck. At this time he was doing heroin, and anyone who knows what to look for, he is high. He wasn't the first rock musician to get hooked on smack. However, that album was really good, all things considered.
Tyler is making sense, he just very down. If you have been around heroin addicts, you know, he's high but he knows what he is saying. Heroin is a horrible drug. Plus, I think he is also depressed and exhausted from touring.
Whoever posted this vid, you rock!! Im wondering if they’re crashing on coke(Rick has all the signs, faking s smile, lock-jaw-being pretentious & not wanting to talk and his hair is thinning.etc Steven seems down but in control as always. Not his upbeat usual self at all. Yeah Miami, definitely did tooo much coke and up from the night before all glassy eyed and sweaty. I loved them best when dirty and non pretentious like now. So rock n roll. Im 43 and know some of Steven’s old friends in recovery cause I grew up in the Bronx-Yonkers section of NY. Couldn't believe Ray Tobano (great guy) was my NA-AA sponsor. He’s Steven’s on the East Coast. Great guy. Smart, tough-very Bronx. Great sobriety
I think Nikki Sixx was pretty much one of the only ones that stayed clean clean for about 30 years now. I know him an Tommy about the the time of the Corabi album had done a one off for old time sake farewell to drugs binge with each other but left it there. The rest, Ozzy, Tyler....hell even Hetfield, have all fell of the wagon.
I always wondered why when Aerosmith broke up1980_1985 Steven didnt do a solo album or get another band. Joe Perry found his own band and did 3 albums. Ist ones really good .2and not so much . Never heard the 3rd.
The third was good. Saw them twice at the time, a few days apart at a couple of small clubs in Toronto, El Mocombo & Nag's Head North...Joe Perry walkin' around 5 feet away from me...
Man, Crespo is so loaded he cannot even think straight. Rock in a Hard Place is one of my all time Favorite albums. Ironically when it first came out my friend brought it over to play and I said “Oh no, you bought that? Not sure I really want to hear it.” Although Aerosmith was one of my favorite bands, 'Ruts' was such crap that I thought 'Hard Place', without Perry, would be much worse. But that “worse” album turned out to be the next one, 'Mirrors', which, also ironically, had Perry on it.
@@rebelwithacause3574 When it came out the only songs I liked were the first 2 songs and the last song which was just okay. I play it now and then to try and get into it and it is not as bad after a few listens. Better than Mirrors.
@@spiritualarchitect4276 think about it, walkin in the sand are both skips for me. Cheesecake has an amazing joe perry slide guitar but the lyrics and chorus are very meh. I love reefer headed woman and no suprise, three mile smile is quite the rocker too When in comes to RIAHP jailbait is the only skip. But the only song I love is lightning strikes, so the albums are kinda even to me
Jimmy got booted and Joe and Brad came back around '84, then they released Done with Mirrors in '85, then in '87 they turned from hard rockers to pop rockers which I wasn't a big fan of, but it turned them into multi millionares.
Permanent Vacation had a few killer tracks on it. But some other songs on that record were just kinda making up the 120mins.. But Pump was a seriously great record. Australia was a part of that tour. I was a 15 y.o. in grade 10 and snuck out of home, met up with 2 mates and the 3 of us jumped a cab to the show in Brisbane, Australia and sprinted past the security at the entrance and into the pit at the front. We were 15, we didn't have 40 bucks for a concert ticket. Man it was a freaking awesome show. It was my 1st ever live gig. I was just a kid from the country in the big smoke. Just a few months before that the highlight of our weekends was chasing kangaroos and wild pigs on horseback trying to shoot one for the old man to butcher. And suddenly I was surrounded by leather miniskirted, black t-shirt wearing, vodka n coke drinking Bon Jovi hair wearing girls! I didn't even know there was that much pussy in the whole world. Some had what looked like 15 earrings in each ear and a few in the nose with a chain connecting them. It looked like they had slipped and fallen into someone's tackle box. What a night! Thank you Aerosmith! Life was simple back when there were only 2 genders. .
Yes Aerosmith we’re a sort of cult band in the 1970’s and early 80’s. They were popular but not mainstream. They became mainstream in the late 1980’s when Glam rock got popular with such bands as Bon Jovi
You have to realize that alot of people were totally pissed for Joe Perry quitting and they didn't give the album a chance. I happen to think it's one of thier best. It is different but still kicks ass.
Saw these guys at Wings Stadium. My first concert and it sucked! Tyler was cussing and spitting all over the place. It held 7000 people and I don't think the floor waa quarter full. Really sad.
When the hell did MTV synch anything through the radio? I never heard radio station play anything from MTV that was synced up through them through the radio from MTV
@@bb-gc2tx they wouldn’t say get it on the radio they would say in stereo, stereo television They never said stereo, radio they said, stereo television
@@bb-gc2tx yeah ace and they meant stereo television. When was the last time you heard them say stereo radio They meant get it in stereo television. Not radio you know the first song they played the first video they played “video killed the radio star” come on man get with it.
Steven was high as hell every day from 1976 to 1985. How he survived is one the great mysteries of the 20th Cent
1976? Haha...1971
@@cervezafria2776 lol
Him, Joe Perry and Keith Richards are not human. Nothing can kill them.
He was getting high af before the 70's
By the time 1971 came around, Tyler's go to was weed, coke, and Jack Daniels. It gradually grew to heroine, LSD, quaaludes, acid, and pain killers. He had sobriety and wagon failures several times up until 2008 and has been "clean" since...
It may not be the classic Aerosmith line up but I love Rock in Hard Place. It's a great hard rock album. Steven Tyler delivers his vocals with so much swagger on that album. And he obviously had a good writing relationship with Jimmy Crespo for the short time they worked together. I think the album deserves to be recognized amongst their best work. But I'm glad Joe and Brad returned.
I agree with everything you said, except the lyrics themselves are pretty terrible. How he sings them is fine. But he’s definitely peak drug use there
saw them live with the two new guys on guitar and
they were really good, considering the boots they had to fill.
Crespo and Dufay are both amazing guitarists.
Amongst their best work?? Man... You sure can't recognise good music from not so good, right?
@@toddlavigne6441 They're criminally underrated guitarists who definitely deserve more attention
@@mattdee2300Said the music does the talking, but all we heard was talk about. 👍 Still brilliant
Little bit of high, a whole lotta depressed and quite possibly tired as well. He seemed anything but thrilled to be giving this interview. Glad he and Joe made it through to the other side.
Crespo seemed more high than Steven.
Much love ❤❤❤❤
Yeah you wonder when was the last time they got a good night's sleep
The thought of them retiring is so sad. Every good thing comes to an end. They were the best of the best. Nothing but love for Steven, Joe, Tom, Joey and Brad. ❤
About 5 years after this low point, Aerosmith was back on top again with original band.
Well if you're not counting the original line up releasing Done With Mirrors in 1985, I guess it would be 5 years lol. Certainly was not a favorite album of mine.
Couldn't disagree more.....I love this album.....the 3 Joe Perry albums were phenomenal as well...saw both in concert...saw the incredible reunion tour in 84.....Done with Mirrors and that tour was fantastic....after that I was done with them...Angel....?Jaime'sGot A Gun...?.Jaded....?.....MTV sellout commercial trash...never bought listened or followed them again....that's ok.....73 - 86 gives me all the Aerosmith I'll ever need.....live and studio....
You are sooo wrong
@@larrynolletti4594 wish I could hit " like "1000 times !
low point? Rock In A Hard Place is fucking awesome!
Boy he is high as hell And looks very depressed I can empathize with poor Steven It was a wonderful thing when he straightened up In the band got back together However Rick to jimmy Crespo did 1 hell of a job filling in.
Steven seemed like he was on he edge of not holding it together.
That’s when I was not in the picture. Those days where a mess.
@@benkramer9176 Pretending to be Joe Perry, Is the real mess.
@@dashriprock5720 would you like a signed autograph?
Something really sad about this but I know it's part of his journey. Steven looks so messed up here. Glad he found his way back.
Seen them live with Crespo and Duffy on Feb 14, 1984 at the Boston Orpheum. It was my first concert. I love the original line up personally but the Rock in a hard place album was not really that bad. It had that classic Aerosmith sound.
THESE GUYS MADE THE BEST ALBUMS ON DRUGS
I've always said that.
First one up to rock in a Hard Place were masterpieces done with mirrors was also very good but the 90s stuff apart from the hits was all just filler sappy nonsense
Just push play ans music from another dimension is awful however live they are still an unstoppable force
I think every band did
They made their worse albums on drugs technically
I disagree. Pump is better than a few of their drugs albums.
I can't believe this guitarist guy with the "I don't know nuttin". Too geeked to speak. You can hear Steven's exasperated "geez" after that. They happily got sober and reunited then reigned supreme on MTV 👍💕
Not the same guitarist. The guitarist in this video is Jimmy Crespo. Joe Perry & Brad Whitford didn't reunite with Aerosmith until early 1984. I assume Jimmy Crespo just wasn't too interested in doing this interview.
@@thomascrown5953 Yeah, I could see that thanks. It is easy to see how disinterested he was here... 🖒
@@ehlerhog To be fair, neither of them look interested at all. Steven doesnt even know what conversation theyre having for half of it lol
@@theghostnextdoor after he left aerosmith he went on to play in billy squiers band
Amazing they came out with two very very good albums. I will never understand how without Joe and Brad...
Funny to hear them talking about MTV in its very early days - Steven is like "How far does this MTV thing that you speak of span?" LMAO
I saw Aerosmith in 1980 with Jimmy and he was fantastik...A Blues guitar player, and Steve and Brad let him play...It was cool...We were on LSD....Seen them with Joe in the 70s three times and fuckin killer of course...
Which time was the best? Who else did you see back in the day
@@theghostnextdoor We saw them in NY when we were 17 in 1975..Then in NY in 76, and 77..Then in Florida in 1980 with Jimmy..Then in Florida in 1984 with Joe....They were sloppy live in the 70s but it didn't matter. It was the fuckin' 70s and it was a party every time...In 1980 with Jimmy Crespo, Jimmy kicked rock and roll ass..Killer blues playing..Blues on steroids..I remember it crystal clear..It almost made us forget about Joe Perry leaving the band. Then in 1984 with Joe back, they kicked ass of course.. After a decade of playing live and better sound systems..That's the last time we ever saw them live in person..So after watching all the dvds they have, and all the You Tube live stuff over the next 40 yrs...Here's the deal.. Aerosmith got better, and better, and better, and better live..Isn't that the way it's supposed to be after years and years of practice? lol frankny65yroldwhitekid rockfan
We saw Aerosmith in NY when we were 17 in 1975..Then in NY in 76, and 77..Then in Florida in 1980 with Jimmy..Then in Florida in 1984 with Joe....They were sloppy live in the 70s but it didn't matter. It was the fuckin' 70s and it was a party every time...In 1980 with Jimmy Crespo, Jimmy kicked rock and roll ass..Killer blues playing..Blues on steroids..I remember it crystal clear..It almost made us forget about Joe Perry leaving the band. Then in 1984 with Joe back, they kicked ass of course after a decade of playing live, and better sound systems..That's the last time we ever saw them live in person..So after watching all the dvds they have, and all the You Tube live stuff over the next 40 yrs...Here's the deal.. Aerosmith got better, and better, and better, and better live..Isn't that the way it's supposed to be after years and years of practice? frankny65yroldwhitekid rockfan PS In 1977 we saw Zeppelin at The Garden.and Pink Floyd Animals Tour a month later there. ..Skynyrd in 1976. Queen, David Bowie Ziggy Stardust..Black Sabbath with Ozzy in 75, and 77, and lots of others. And that's not counting the 80s...Tickets were always under $10 back then.The only other killer band we never got to see was Deep Purple..WOW this was exhausting to type..I'm getting tooo old for this..lol..
@@theghostnextdoor We saw Aerosmith in NY when we were 17 in 1975..Then in NY in 76, and 77..Then in Florida in 1980 with Jimmy..Then in Florida in 1984 with Joe....They were sloppy live in the 70s but it didn't matter. It was the fuckin' 70s and it was a party every time...In 1980 with Jimmy Crespo, Jimmy kicked rock and roll ass..Killer blues playing..Blues on steroids..I remember it crystal clear..It almost made us forget about Joe Perry leaving the band. Then in 1984 with Joe back, they kicked ass of course after a decade of playing live, and better sound systems..That's the last time we ever saw them live in person..So after watching all the dvds they have, and all the You Tube live stuff over the next 40 yrs...Here's the deal.. Aerosmith got better, and better, and better, and better live..Isn't that the way it's supposed to be after years and years of practice? lol frankny65yroldwhitekid rockfan PS In 1977 we saw Zeppelin at The Garden.and Pink Floyd Animals Tour a month later there. ..Skynyrd in 1976. Queen, David Bowie Ziggy Stardust..Black Sabbath with Ozzy in 75, and 77, and lots of others. And that's not counting the 80s...Tickets were always under $10 back then.The only other killer band we never got to see back then was Deep Purple..WOW this was exhausting to type..I'm getting tooo old for this...There's a live show from 1980 with Jimmy Crespo on You Tube from the same tour we seen....That tells the story..I think it's still on there..I have to check..I recorded it a few years ago just in case
Looks to be about the lowest point for Steven. We all know smack is no fkn good...and watching this is proof of that. He just can’t be bothered. Addiction is giving everything up for one thing. Recovery is giving up one thing for everything. Crespo I heard was a sober soul. No drink, no drug. Must have been a weird place for him but...he got to play with a legend.
This is your brain on heroin and coke. The two of them. I so love the upbeat and funny Steven Tyler after he settled down a whole lot on the chemistry set. Seeing him strung out and miserable like this is hard. He's such a different person, and incredible performer when not jacked up on junk. He knows it too!
I agree. He is usually so charming and outgoing. Here, during his darkest days of heroin, he definitely lost his spark. He is heavily strung out here. Glad he came back from that. So many don't.
We all have our moments. We are all diifferent people in different situations. It is not fair to judge, None of us are 'perfect'. I am in the music industry and know many who do coke and worse. It is up to them. I just know we need to look out for each other. Respect and don't be offended.
Tylers in fuckin orbit during this interview, Smacked out of his mind. Crespo doesn't look far behind, I thought he was better than Perry when it came to all the drugs that dragged them down. Steverino like to shoot coke as well. He was a wreck. The whole band was baked. It's amazing that they managed to make Rock in Hard Place. How nobody died is amazing!!
The song "Joanie's Butterfly" sounds very obviously influenced by that state of mind.
Crespo cracks me up in this interview. 😎
Omg me too. Love JC
God Steven looks horrendous, this is sad and painful to watch. I wonder what he would think of himself if he ever sees this
I don't think it would be relevant.
@Tyler Mod doubt it but ok
@Tyler Mod I have lots of experience with coke and heroin. Former user. It’s not a laughing madder. Dumbass
@@benkramer9176 Steven Tyler would definitely say what Tyler Mod said because he admits it was an adventure while calling his heroine addiction his chinchilla coat of armor during an interview with Opera.
"The drugs for me was falling down the rabbit hole. I know Alice (smiles widely and chuckles)... Oh yea we had an affair for a long time" - Steven Tyler
besides being royally fucked up on heroin, he looks healthy, put on some weight, normally he's much thinner. Hair and skin look good.
But he's is clearly wasted on heroin. Normally he is a lot fun, fast talking with a sharp wit.
Saw the whole original band in ‘83 rehearsing at the Glen Ellen Country club in Millis Massachusetts for 3 months when I worked Security at that Golfcourse. When they first got back together. Really friendly and Cool guys! Couldn’t believe how short Brad and Joe were!
Grew up in Framingham. You’re lucky you were able to see that. I remember them playing the Centrum later that year.
He still had 4 more years of this at this point
he didn't get clean until 87
@@toddlavigne644185, right before Done With Mirrors.
At this point Steven has no idea what classic videos they're gonna make in the future - Cryin, Janie, Crazy, Amazing, Dude, Pink, Rag Doll, Blind Man, Hole in My Soul, Jaded, Livin on the Edge!!!
And they all sucked!...70s aero rocked...the revamped aero sold out.
All these comments about Steven Tyler.. he’s hardly that bloody bad! A bit spaced out but pretty much coherent.
Exactly, why is everyone so focused on them being high. It was the early 80’s everyone dabbled in those days, we all did blow, it was pretty much normal in those day. especially Rock stars.! Despite anything Aerosmith kicked ass and millions loved them and their music…
Here, he just seems a tad withdrawn but trying to put on a brave face. Jimmy seems pretty much defeated, and I can't figure out why.
@@finishin.my.coffee8780 he’s just trying to maintain if you know what I mean
@@tonychavez2083 He’s shooting up heroin here not blow lol
He's totally coherent ,he just so down, and depressed.
Normally he's a barrel of fun. Heroin kills your personality
As much as i adore Joe Perry i often think had Crespo & Dufay stayed though they wouldn’t have been anywhere near as commercially successful they would have made at least two more blistering rock album’s similar to Rock In A Hard Place which i think i would have loved.
However i never would have got to see the classic & original legendary line up live 3 times which i truly treasure
Its very evident that he was fucked up to the Core at this point in his life... i think the aerosmith reunión was not only a Money thing, but one of survival
sicoticosandro very hard to watch him like this
You think it wasn’t about making good music?
@@tylurmackinnon6217 mmm.. secondary... tyler needed perry to survive.. needed aerosmith back.. good music comes along
He is the first guy to admit heroin brought to his knees. He lost everything. Family, friends, money, cars, and even his plane,
Probably the biggest comeback story in rock history. He is flying on heroin in this interview
True But lets not act like he wasnt doing plenty of blow and that would be easily more accessible more common and way easier to find and easier to handle, but its just when he happened to have heroin he could just fence himself up in a room and snort himself to what was it i forget it was either 97lb or 88lb i forget its been a few years since i saw the lowest number quoted, but 76 pontiac silverdome you get to see how small he got and thats while wearing something that exaggerates a persons frame. i've done all of it and wore all the same stuff, heroins got teeth for some people like it did with Jagger smoking it, Jerry Garcia Smoking it, Steven snorting it, Billy Idol Snorting it, where as others like to move and not hide away, thats What Ozzy Osbourne was like, Then Lemmy was different yet again with amphetamine. i had heroin kill me used it again and was still never enthused about it, i never got what the great legend about it was like but for others it does that it absolutely gives them that blanket that says ''Don't worry it's all good, stay with me and you'll always go back to that warm cozy place'' where as all the other drugs largely are unpredictable with each usage other than acid which isnt addictive. but lets not act like the dragon cant be tamed here Bill Burroughs was doing it for 40 years straight he must of had some kind of leash on it to have a habit last that damn long, and he was what? in his 80's when he died. So sometimes yeah......but sometimes no, its the person not the drug, thats evidenced by the fact that not everyone gets addicted or chooses to do the same drugs over and over, or some dont get elated by the same experiences others do and consider it potential hell.
@@archilonshadowheart7 Heroin brought Tyler down to the very bottom. From the guy who pushed and led his band to stardom, then just gave up trying. Thankfully, one or two therapist got through to him and he got sober ( finally ). A truly gifted musician and one of the best entertainers in rock.
@@toddlavigne6441 Nah, Steven wasn't the first musician to openly admit being an addict or defeated by drugs. Who told you that? Lou Reed,Ozzy,Keith Richards,Elton John,Billy Idol,Eric Clapton,Nikki Sixx,etc.. Not to mention Steven's other half of the "Toxic Twins" Joe Perry.
That's not what I meant. I mean he is always the first to admit it ruined him. He is 100% open and honest regarding heroin bringing him down. I didn't mean he was the only guy in music to admit their downfall. He doesn't allow speculation, he just says " it took me down " Of coarse many have been ruined by heroin.
broke meaning he had zero money? did he still have enough royalty checks each month to get by until the comeback?
Even though Aerosmith's early career was high on drugs they wrote the best music of their career in that time
rock on a hard place is one of the best aeroshmits album.
Steven looks really depressed and high. He misses his brother
What happened
@@itais860 Joe Perry
His eyes are glossy from good dope
@@smkxodnwbwkdns8369Exactamente y tristemente también, pero está bastante bien.
STEVEN TYLER and JIMMY CRESPO ROCKS!!
Sheesh, Reminds me of a band I was in, Ministry. frickin' nuts.
I love ministry
Poor Jimmy Crespo ain't lookin too sharp in this interview...
Jimmy and Steven made one great album.
He is high as a kite. Look at his/their eyes.
They both are fried
Crespo was trying to write the music and deal with Tyler at the same time... and surviving Steven. He succeded in my opinion, but I suppose he left because caring for Steven during that time was an impossible task, even dangerous...
We have to thank him for Rock In A Hard Place because it's a great album
ROCKS NIGHT IN THE RUTS ROCK IN A HARD PLACE AND DONE WITH MIRRORS MY FAVORITE AEROSMITH ALBUMS OF ALL TIME
Aerosmiths first 6 albums (including live bootleg) awesome. After that, it was all downhill.
@@mudflapp3728 ROCK IN A HARD PLACE WAS GREAT AS WELL AS DONE WITH MIRRORS AFTER THAT THAT'S WHEN THINGS WENT DOWNHILL
@@aceman3577 Rock and a hard place was ok....barely....Done with mirrors?.....no.
At 9:27, Jimmy Crespo is trying to think of the name of a musician. He can't recall his name, but says he has "spike head". Possibly Billy Idol?
Definitely
Gacked to the nines.
I saw them on this tour,Crespo was a rocker!
Me too, in Pittsburgh. 11-27-82. Steven Tyler was a mess but it was a great concert
Damn I can feel this, joe and Brad left, they're all on mad drugs, and there just really sad, trying to fix things, but they can't yet.
101 comments as of writing this. Since all that people seem to be looking at is if someone is high, drunk, etc., did anyone listen to what was being said? Steven Tyler and MTV are literally auditioning each other. This is ground zero for the cross over between rap and rock. Steven is asking MTV how big are you. MTV is saying we are big enough, can you give us something good. In July of 1986, "Walk This Way" came over the airways (I remember it well). At 1:38 (approx.) into the video (Walk This Way) Steven gave MTV what they wanted (by sticking a MIC stand through the wall) and a whole new style of music was born. Sometimes you can learn from listening to what people are saying instead of just trying to figure out there intoxication status in an interview (that's really boring people).
So,who died and left you in charge? Get over yourself already.😂
@@billbazen9432 talk about over analysis . nobody knew who run dmc was at this point. this was mtv looking for content and the management of this band that was failing apart trying get them as much as press as they could end of story. auditioning each other yeah ok 🤣
Rick Rubin produced walk this way, Steven Tyler had nothing to do with it
Most Of The Music Maker"s, From Late 60s, All 70s, Early 80s, Hung & Lived In N.Y.C, Herion Was Always There But Those Year"s It Ran Deep !!!!
Muito louco! Adoro este álbum. Todos nós temos momento "Rock in the hard place", o importante é sair vivo. Steven é uma prova viva.
Ele só não morreu, porque não era o dia dele, pois ele tinha tudo pra não estar mais aqui a muito tempo, assim como todos os outros da banda.
Steven Victor Tallarico Blancha
26 de marzo de 1948
75 años
Cantante de Aerosmith.
The drug days.
This was during the peak of his addiction to heroin and coke.
ROCK IN A HARD PLACE IS A FUCKING MASTERPIECE
Fn rite it is
From canada
Rock on baby
@@petewarrell228 from Toronto here and I agree! I bought the album in 84 and loved it right away.
My favorite Aero album. So sleazy
without Joe and Brad, no matter how good the album was,
the public just wasn't accepting it. It was a very solid record.
Boy, he's so out of it. I'm not used to seeing him so low energy. He just about lost everything and his life during this time. This tour for Rock In a Hard Place turned out to be a disaster. The album is really good though.
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saw him on this tour and he lasted about 10 minutes and then just quickly went downhill. That show and that tour was a bust.
Steven is so fried. I don’t think he even remember doing this
9:12 pretty sure they were hinting at the Joe Perry Project, They had a song called TV Police
Sad to see Steven so high when he has such a brilliant personality off the drugs.
What a difference, he's dead here. They guy is normally
a firecracker...funny and engaging. Here, he is the walking dead. What a drug heroin is.
This other guy has never done so much drugs before
Saw them a couple times just after Perry left, and nobody was going to see them. The road to stardom is pretty rough.
Joe looked so different back then.
Not joe amigo... Jimmy crespo. Joe's replacement
@@sicoticosandro I know. Just foolin'.😉
@@toddlavigne6441 Thanks, Captain.
I love how people actually thought you were serious 😂
@@OrganicActing I'm slow at sarcastic comments, I get it.....LOL
Steve is toast. Incredible he made it through life.
yadayadayada...so stoned and buzzed theyre trying not laugh.
If u can tell he is fucked, because you've been there , just another day in the journey of memories
I have never seen anyone so out of his mind like Jimmy Crespo in this interview.
Lol. Ok
Crack is whack
He’s a bit on the edge of a nod at times or maybe just tired. Still charming. His dark side was ruling 100% at that time, though. Glad he pulled out of that and found balance.
I don't know of too many rock stars who weren't into a lot of different "treats",yes him&Joe Perry were called the toxic twins,but the entire band indulged, I've read all their books. Don't forget Ozzy, Motley Crue, Elton John, could go on&on, unfortunately is the fame,$$& lifestyle. One thing is at idk how they meaning many old rockers at 70-75 can do 2hr concerts with the energy they do, I'm 15yrs younger& I couldn't run for 2hrs,lol!
stevens higher than every year he was in the 70s combined
The man SNORTED the Aerosmith jet! That’s a lot of blow!
When Jimmy Crespo Joined Aerosmith He Headed To BCRich
and We Built Him
A Few Guitars I Asked Him
“” What’s It Like in
Aerosmith “”?
He Said They Party Like
No Other Band
6 Months Later I See
Jimmy Crespo and
He Looked Beat Up
He Said These Guys
Just Party 24/7
I can smell the ether through the phone during this interview.
It is in his eyes!
Crap he's high.
The smug interviewer thought he was better than Steven Tyler. lol
Done With Mirrors in 85 had zero hits, but it was the last album album the classic Aerosmith sound. But they needed hits, so they went on a Permanent Vacation.
Let the Music do the Talking was great. Had the album when I was a kid. Only had one good song on it.
Done With Mirrors is an underrated album. It’s rough, less polished however it’s also a great look into Aerosmith’s soul. Let The Music Do The Talking peaked at #18. So yes it did have a hit…not a big one however a “hit” is anything that lands in the top 40.
Poor Jimmy great guitarist having to put up with this s***
The music video clip Steven Tyler is referring to at 9:28 is MISSING PERSONS 'Words', in particular frontwoman Dale Bozzio. 'Rock In A Hard Place' isn't the best AEROSMITH album, but it's the most underrated. The dark horse in their catalogue
When are they gonna lock ol' stevie up for foolin' around with that young girl he locked up in Boston. She was underaged, same with uncle Ted.
He had legal guardianship, but still, you can't have sex with a fifteen year old. If this woman were to come forward she could have him charged. However, it's possible he has long since settled $$$ with her and a NDA
Love this album !! He sounds fantastic on it !! The interviewer is a prick...Crespo is no help......hahaha......hilarious....
You're right, Jimmy adds nothing to this interview other than looking goofy
It seems like everyone is making a horribly unfounded assumption that Steven is high as a kite in this interview. What's your problem? I guarantee you, if you were to read the transcript of this interview without video, you would discover that Steven answered every question articulately and coherently. If anything, this interview demonstrates that despite losing his best friend and having to adapt to two new guitarists, Steven was able to shoulder the burden and maintain Aerosmith's continuity until prodigal Joe returned from his experiment. Thanks to Steven and Jimmy, Aerosmith never broke up and can proudly be hailed as the world's most durable rock band.
He's not incoherent at all, but he's high as fuck. At this time he was doing heroin, and anyone who knows what to look for, he is high. He wasn't the first rock musician to get hooked on smack. However, that album was really good, all things considered.
He’s high as a kite ya dumb fuck.
Davy Crockett...you have NO IDEA what you are talking about. They are out of their mind here
Charlie Parker the great saxophonist, did his best playing while on smack. So did many others
Tyler is making sense, he just very down. If you have been around heroin addicts, you know, he's high but he knows what he is saying. Heroin is a horrible drug. Plus, I think
he is also depressed and exhausted from touring.
Ozzy, Steven, Keith…..
Apparently the higher you stay the longer you live
Picture of health!
Wow. I’ve seen so many interviews, but none had Steven so visibly messed up.
He's a totally different person when high.
Abla su demonio interior
Whoever posted this vid, you rock!! Im wondering if they’re crashing on coke(Rick has all the signs, faking s smile, lock-jaw-being pretentious & not wanting to talk and his hair is thinning.etc Steven seems down but in control as always. Not his upbeat usual self at all. Yeah Miami, definitely did tooo much coke and up from the night before all glassy eyed and sweaty. I loved them best when dirty and non pretentious like now. So rock n roll. Im 43 and know some of Steven’s old friends in recovery cause I grew up in the Bronx-Yonkers section of NY. Couldn't believe Ray Tobano (great guy) was my NA-AA sponsor. He’s Steven’s on the East Coast. Great guy. Smart, tough-very Bronx. Great sobriety
All Jimmy Crespo can do is giggle and look very awkward. LOL.
a wonderful time in life
I think Nikki Sixx was pretty much one of the only ones that stayed clean clean for about 30 years now. I know him an Tommy about the the time of the Corabi album had done a one off for old time sake farewell to drugs binge with each other but left it there. The rest, Ozzy, Tyler....hell even Hetfield, have all fell of the wagon.
Steven looks exhausted christ
The album Rockin a hard place Steve made with jimmy crespo is very underrated ‘ Joannies Butterfly !
🤟Steven, very smart, and blessed. OXO
I always wondered why when Aerosmith broke up1980_1985 Steven didnt do a solo album or get another band. Joe Perry found his own band and did 3 albums. Ist ones really good .2and not so much . Never heard the 3rd.
The third was good. Saw them twice at the time, a few days apart at a couple of small clubs in Toronto, El Mocombo & Nag's Head North...Joe Perry walkin' around 5 feet away from me...
The second JPP album is great I love every track, the third with Mach Bell was pretty weak
Man, Crespo is so loaded he cannot even think straight. Rock in a Hard Place is one of my all time Favorite albums. Ironically when it first came out my friend brought it over to play and I said “Oh no, you bought that? Not sure I really want to hear it.” Although Aerosmith was one of my favorite bands, 'Ruts' was such crap that I thought 'Hard Place', without Perry, would be much worse. But that “worse” album turned out to be the next one, 'Mirrors', which, also ironically, had Perry on it.
Night in the ruts is an awesome album. Out of curiosity, what didn't you like about it?
@@rebelwithacause3574 When it came out the only songs I liked were the first 2 songs and the last song which was just okay. I play it now and then to try and get into it and it is not as bad after a few listens. Better than Mirrors.
Love RUTS....LOVE Hard Place more...
@@spiritualarchitect4276 think about it, walkin in the sand are both skips for me. Cheesecake has an amazing joe perry slide guitar but the lyrics and chorus are very meh. I love reefer headed woman and no suprise, three mile smile is quite the rocker too
When in comes to RIAHP jailbait is the only skip. But the only song I love is lightning strikes, so the albums are kinda even to me
You need to listen to 'Mirrors' again. It is the last true Aerosmith album
3:58 😂😂
Jimmy got booted and Joe and Brad came back around '84, then they released Done with Mirrors in '85, then in '87 they turned from hard rockers to pop rockers which I wasn't a big fan of, but it turned them into multi millionares.
I wouldn’t call that pop rock. Definitely from today’s standards lol permanent vacation, pump are still considered hard rock albums
Permanent Vacation had a few killer tracks on it. But some other songs on that record were just kinda making up the 120mins.. But Pump was a seriously great record. Australia was a part of that tour. I was a 15 y.o. in grade 10 and snuck out of home, met up with 2 mates and the 3 of us jumped a cab to the show in Brisbane, Australia and sprinted past the security at the entrance and into the pit at the front. We were 15, we didn't have 40 bucks for a concert ticket. Man it was a freaking awesome show. It was my 1st ever live gig. I was just a kid from the country in the big smoke. Just a few months before that the highlight of our weekends was chasing kangaroos and wild pigs on horseback trying to shoot one for the old man to butcher. And suddenly I was surrounded by leather miniskirted, black t-shirt wearing, vodka n coke drinking Bon Jovi hair wearing girls! I didn't even know there was that much pussy in the whole world. Some had what looked like 15 earrings in each ear and a few in the nose with a chain connecting them. It looked like they had slipped and fallen into someone's tackle box. What a night! Thank you Aerosmith!
Life was simple back when there were only 2 genders. .
Yes Aerosmith we’re a sort of cult band in the 1970’s and early 80’s. They were popular but not mainstream. They became mainstream in the late 1980’s when Glam rock got popular with such bands as Bon Jovi
@@stevenmich7640lol...not!😂
@@analogkid4957cult band? They played stadiums, bud. 😂
I have heard in interviews that Steven was a real dickhead to everyone around him during this period. You get that vibe during this interview.
If his lyrics were good on this album and made sense the Album would have been great.
You have to realize that alot of people were totally pissed for Joe Perry quitting and they didn't give the album a chance. I happen to think it's one of thier best. It is different but still kicks ass.
The whole album is great. Lyrics are sleazy...so is the music. Sleazefest
Saw these guys at Wings Stadium. My first concert and it sucked! Tyler was cussing and spitting all over the place. It held 7000 people and I don't think the floor waa quarter full. Really sad.
Same here at Norfolk, VA. I remember the show only being 45 minutes long & not memorable.
Steven In the speedball haze lived that life for 17 years
Jimmy Crespo was a great guitarist.
Eddie Money looks great!
músicas lindas amo escutar .
Tyler's smerk after 2:36 just says it all lmfao.
When the hell did MTV synch anything through the radio? I never heard radio station play anything from MTV that was synced up through them through the radio from MTV
they would have commercials on mtv all the time on how to get mtv in stereo
I think they meant stereo TV
@@bb-gc2tx they wouldn’t say get it on the radio they would say in stereo, stereo television
They never said stereo, radio they said, stereo television
@@bb-gc2tx yeah ace and they meant stereo television. When was the last time you heard them say stereo radio
They meant get it in stereo television. Not radio you know the first song they played the first video they played “video killed the radio star” come on man get with it.
@@robintaylor485 hey ace its 40 years ago who gives a shit i was just trying answer your question now go fuck yourself
7:02 Steven hearing voices in his head from massive Cocaine usage
Steven seems very sad here...very under the weather.
This is so depressing....give Joe and Brad a call Steven...
Steve's overall disposition seems a bit moody lol check out his eyes...his focus is real intense.
he missed and needed Joe.
How is he alive?
Should’ve kept jimmy on the payroll. He was a good fit while joe was gone. Him and joe and brad would be great right now