Energy is measured in joules or watt hours so that's really the most important metric regarding range. Think about if you had a 1 million volt EUC with the same amp hours as the Sherman. So you'd have 2.4 Million cells in total compared to the Sherman's 240 cells. Do you think you'd have the same range? Of course you'd have much much more. You're right in that a higher voltage allows you to burn through the battery faster but you don't have to. If you ride conservatively it should give you the expected range based on the watt hours you have available. It also depends on the efficiency of the motor at different voltages but if it's designed properly, a high voltage EUC should not suffer from lost range. It should just give you the option to deliver more power to the motor hence burning through your range.
@@d.n.3086 I think he was talking about the Master Pro. So it would be: 4800/134V = 35.8 Ah You're totally right though that without the voltage amp hours means nothing.
I found it weird that he was trashing the master pro for it's weight and wh but then considering the v13 which almost just as heavy, with way less wh. I take it he just didn't properly research the V13 probably as they said the weight for it a while back. Can't wait to get my V13!! Even the Sherman S is being said to be about 90-95lbs. This gen of wheel are going to be heavy.
Master pro is niche but that opens up the opportunity to ride across the country, or to go camping in the mountains with a Portable power station. it's Begode and once the aftermarket gets a hold of the wheel the die hard fans will find a use for all that weight
MasPro battery is for SPEED. It's already done 60+mph. Not possible at 3600wh yet. Maybe the EX30 will do it. Battery sag is real at high speed. The more you have, the safer you are.
All I know trying to buy these wheels suck especially if you have no ability to test ride any of them and you're relying on bais influencers who get to ride all of them for thousands of miles....
master pro is for cruising, and for people you likes to ride it. Weight does not matter if you want to ride it. For you sir its a joke but for other riders its not. I can sustain speed for 80-85 kph for more than 2 mins on my master pro. Even @ 50% battery i can hit 80kph.
Maspro cut out at 62mph, and is FINE! And as u can see from Wrong Way and Go George, the speed handling are amazing. Meanwhile the "unfailable" most reliable V13 is cutting out on average looking jumps...smh All ur speculation in this video is absolutely wrong... lol
That's great to know bro. I don't mind being wrong. I got to ride the regular Master recently and loved it. Gonna put up the footage soon. I wonder whether I would love an ultra heavy wheel like the Master Pro though. I don't think it would feel as good. I'm very light weight though.
I live in Phoenix Arizona. I am a college student and also work full time in manufacturing. My job is clear on the opposite side of the city from my school, a distance of about sixty miles one way. I will need to travel from home to work then school then back home without charging, which adds up to at least 120 miles for one day of the week if I take one class. I value durability above all other factors. For these reasons I have chosen the V13 as my next wheel.
Idk how fast you plan on riding, but the V13 is going to struggle to cover 120 mi unless you're doing it at a crawl. Cruising leisurely at about 20 mph on my 3200wh Sherman, I get about 80 miles. I'm 160 lb rider with gear and the Sherman is only an 80 lb wheel. The V13 is at least 120 lbs (and a lot of the weight is rotational mass, in the motor), and only 3024wh. And it uses 126 volt system so you can drain the batteries faster than 100 volt wheels. Not trying to tell you what wheels to buy, if you like the V13 then go for it. But I really think you're gonna have a bad time trying to make that commute on it. Valuing durability above all else the Sherman S is a better option for what you need.
I hear ya about the battery size and not needing that much, but if I had that amount of battery, I never would have crashed on my Sherman. It's not only about range, but going at speed for that distance. Having 4600wh of battery means you can sustain 72kph for 50 miles and never worry about a cutout. It's for that reason alone that I'm seriously considering the Master Pro. It also looks nice and sits rather high up, making it easier for a bean pole like myself to sit down and not have to have my knees next to my shoulders. That said, if there are "issues" with the Master Pro and the Sherman-S rolls out without any, I'll be getting the Sherman-S. IMO, Veteran should have come out with that wheel before the Abrams. There is absolutely no point in the Abrams existence as it's battery isn't powerful enough to support it's motor. Not to mention that the Master Pro is 134v and the Sherman is 100v, so it kind of works out the same except that extra power goes to the torque of the motor. I would prefer that and still have 100 mile range/high speed.
That's a good point but still I don't see myself wanting to do that tradeoff of having such a heavy wheel for that extra range at speed. The Max already goes far enough at speed for my needs. Having said that if I were in a city where I could ride unhindered at speed on long smooth roads I may change my mind. Regarding the watt hours vs amp hours I'll leave my reply to the comment above, below: "Energy is measured in joules or watt hours so that's really the most important metric regarding range. Think about if you had a 1 million volt EUC with the same amp hours as the Sherman. So you'd have 2.4 Million cells in total compared to the Sherman's 240 cells. Do you think you'd have the same range? Of course you'd have much much more. You're right in that a higher voltage allows you to burn through the battery faster but you don't have to. If you ride conservatively it should give you the expected range based on the watt hours you have available. It also depends on the efficiency of the motor at different voltages but if it's designed properly, a high voltage EUC should not suffer from lost range. It should just give you the option to deliver more power to the motor hence burning through your range."
You're 100% right on that about the Sherman Max, I would still have to look real close at the new suspension Sherman and watch it for a while before I bought it.
It's very possible but can't say for sure. Would be good to have a 200 lb rider try both wheels to see what they think. Although they'd need to ride them for at least 1000 km each to give a good opinion on how the 2 wheels compare.
That's true but even the OG Sherman will get about 110 000 km before any significant battery degradation occurs. Even at that point it will still have a range of over 80km per charge and will be usable up to around 200 000 km. So there's not much need for more longevity. The most km I've ever heard of being put on a wheel anywhere on the internet is 30 000 km.
Appreciate your take on the Master Pro however it's a 22" wheel with suspension, 134v, and 4800wh. It's a big man/speed demon/ extended range wheel. If you weight under 180lbs, I wouldn't expect anyone to purchase it. I'm sure it's going to make the suspension less Sherman/Max feel like a toy/ "paperweight" as u stated. I do wish it was built more durable in the result of a spill. I'm not crazy about the plastic battery housing. I'm not buying the MP to use the entire range I'm buying it so I can sustain 50+mph without fear and without beeps and I can't wait for the release bc it's already pre-ordered. This is Begodes 4th attempt at a suspension wheel I'm sure the Master Pro will be a great wheel for whomever indulges. New Era of riding is on the horizon, prepare yourselves 🤙🏿
Good point I'm pretty light weight. That also means I get more range from less battery. I'm satisfied with the range I get from the OG at speed but there's one more important thing to consider. If I was in a city where I could ride at top speed for long distances then I would probably desire more battery. In my city I can't do that so I can never burn through a battery like a hog. I wish I could though.
Begode just dropped the Master Pro X to compete w Sherman-S. Same specs as Master Pro but w 3600wh and nominal lower weight. Sherman suspension looks like it could be next level. Exciting year for EUCs!
Yeah someone mentioned that they outsourced the design of the suspension system to an established bicycle suspension company. That sounds like a very good choice.
I assumed that the 4800 wh battery was to compensate for the wheel being 134v vs 100v. One of the first things I heard ppl complain about the master was the range. It's a high torque motor running at high speeds. See ESimon's comment, it looks like they did the math.
Oh yeah I saw ESimon's comment on that. I'll paste my response below: "Energy is measured in joules or watt hours so that's really the most important metric regarding range. Think about if you had a 1 million volt EUC with the same amp hours as the Sherman. So you'd have 2.4 Million cells in total compared to the Sherman's 240 cells. Do you think you'd have the same range? Of course you'd have much much more. You're right in that a higher voltage allows you to burn through the battery faster but you don't have to. If you ride conservatively it should give you the expected range based on the watt hours you have available. It also depends on the efficiency of the motor at different voltages but if it's designed properly, a high voltage EUC should not suffer from lost range. It should just give you the option to deliver more power to the motor hence burning through your range."
Leaperkim have made the inspired decision to have an outside specialised cycle suspension firm design their suspension system for the Sherman S, it will be very interesting to see how this turns out vis a vis the InMotion V13. Weight increases on both wheels may set them over and beyond the ‘practical offroad’ use barrier though, and jumping with these heavier wheels is simply gonna be a no-no. But for sure they’re likely to be very comfortable cruising wheels, though this is not really what you are looking for in you ‘delivery mode’ application. Best wait and see. The Begode Master can be improved in terms of its out of the box fragility, which seems to be its main let-down, but even saying this, Chance Hinze (WattsSingleTrack channel on YT) rates it far above the rest currently, and nobody gives their wheels a harder time off-road. With Grizzla or the much larger Clark protection bumpers, you have a great level of added protection for the Master, albeit at a cost, but it makes sense (in the absence of Begode beefing up the rear light, using better quality foam for the seat, etc) to protect your substantial investment. A roll cage like those made by Splyce EUC would also go a ‘looooong-waaay’ 😆 to protect both the battery packs and the top & tail of the wheel.
As long as it has the torque behind the speed then it should be good. Can't wait to see how fast this thing goes. I'm sure it will be the fastest wheel to date.
@@wutruriding1355 what I meant is when they come up with one I want to see how tough it is, there was a clip on UA-cam that showed a Sherman with suspension.
Thanks bro. Gotta get back into these. That was some old footage. Hard to do it at the moment when it's always wet because the gravel becomes sticky. Too much grip to slide. When it's hot and dry it turns powdery and becomes slippery.
Your Sherman is 100v. The Master pro is 134v. So even with higher wh it will still translate to roughly the same ah
Energy is measured in joules or watt hours so that's really the most important metric regarding range. Think about if you had a 1 million volt EUC with the same amp hours as the Sherman. So you'd have 2.4 Million cells in total compared to the Sherman's 240 cells. Do you think you'd have the same range? Of course you'd have much much more.
You're right in that a higher voltage allows you to burn through the battery faster but you don't have to. If you ride conservatively it should give you the expected range based on the watt hours you have available. It also depends on the efficiency of the motor at different voltages but if it's designed properly, a high voltage EUC should not suffer from lost range. It should just give you the option to deliver more power to the motor hence burning through your range.
2400 Wh/134v = 17,9 Ah
3200 Wh/100v = 32 Ah
Btw Ah doesn't mean anything without it's voltage
@@d.n.3086 I think he was talking about the Master Pro. So it would be:
4800/134V = 35.8 Ah
You're totally right though that without the voltage amp hours means nothing.
I found it weird that he was trashing the master pro for it's weight and wh but then considering the v13 which almost just as heavy, with way less wh. I take it he just didn't properly research the V13 probably as they said the weight for it a while back. Can't wait to get my V13!!
Even the Sherman S is being said to be about 90-95lbs. This gen of wheel are going to be heavy.
Master pro is niche but that opens up the opportunity to ride across the country, or to go camping in the mountains with a Portable power station. it's Begode and once the aftermarket gets a hold of the wheel the die hard fans will find a use for all that weight
That's a good point about using it as a portable power station.
@@arcrides6841 AED power.....
MasPro battery is for SPEED.
It's already done 60+mph. Not possible at 3600wh yet.
Maybe the EX30 will do it.
Battery sag is real at high speed. The more you have, the safer you are.
All I know trying to buy these wheels suck especially if you have no ability to test ride any of them and you're relying on bais influencers who get to ride all of them for thousands of miles....
master pro is for cruising, and for people you likes to ride it. Weight does not matter if you want to ride it. For you sir its a joke but for other riders its not. I can sustain speed for 80-85 kph for more than 2 mins on my master pro. Even @ 50% battery i can hit 80kph.
Yeah I'd like to try it still. Maybe the weight would become okay with practice on the heavy wheel.
Maspro cut out at 62mph, and is FINE!
And as u can see from Wrong Way and Go George, the speed handling are amazing. Meanwhile the "unfailable" most reliable V13 is cutting out on average looking jumps...smh
All ur speculation in this video is absolutely wrong... lol
That's great to know bro. I don't mind being wrong. I got to ride the regular Master recently and loved it. Gonna put up the footage soon. I wonder whether I would love an ultra heavy wheel like the Master Pro though. I don't think it would feel as good. I'm very light weight though.
I live in Phoenix Arizona. I am a college student and also work full time in manufacturing. My job is clear on the opposite side of the city from my school, a distance of about sixty miles one way. I will need to travel from home to work then school then back home without charging, which adds up to at least 120 miles for one day of the week if I take one class. I value durability above all other factors. For these reasons I have chosen the V13 as my next wheel.
Idk how fast you plan on riding, but the V13 is going to struggle to cover 120 mi unless you're doing it at a crawl. Cruising leisurely at about 20 mph on my 3200wh Sherman, I get about 80 miles. I'm 160 lb rider with gear and the Sherman is only an 80 lb wheel. The V13 is at least 120 lbs (and a lot of the weight is rotational mass, in the motor), and only 3024wh. And it uses 126 volt system so you can drain the batteries faster than 100 volt wheels. Not trying to tell you what wheels to buy, if you like the V13 then go for it. But I really think you're gonna have a bad time trying to make that commute on it. Valuing durability above all else the Sherman S is a better option for what you need.
I hear ya about the battery size and not needing that much, but if I had that amount of battery, I never would have crashed on my Sherman. It's not only about range, but going at speed for that distance. Having 4600wh of battery means you can sustain 72kph for 50 miles and never worry about a cutout. It's for that reason alone that I'm seriously considering the Master Pro. It also looks nice and sits rather high up, making it easier for a bean pole like myself to sit down and not have to have my knees next to my shoulders.
That said, if there are "issues" with the Master Pro and the Sherman-S rolls out without any, I'll be getting the Sherman-S. IMO, Veteran should have come out with that wheel before the Abrams. There is absolutely no point in the Abrams existence as it's battery isn't powerful enough to support it's motor.
Not to mention that the Master Pro is 134v and the Sherman is 100v, so it kind of works out the same except that extra power goes to the torque of the motor. I would prefer that and still have 100 mile range/high speed.
That's a good point but still I don't see myself wanting to do that tradeoff of having such a heavy wheel for that extra range at speed. The Max already goes far enough at speed for my needs. Having said that if I were in a city where I could ride unhindered at speed on long smooth roads I may change my mind.
Regarding the watt hours vs amp hours I'll leave my reply to the comment above, below:
"Energy is measured in joules or watt hours so that's really the most important metric regarding range. Think about if you had a 1 million volt EUC with the same amp hours as the Sherman. So you'd have 2.4 Million cells in total compared to the Sherman's 240 cells. Do you think you'd have the same range? Of course you'd have much much more.
You're right in that a higher voltage allows you to burn through the battery faster but you don't have to. If you ride conservatively it should give you the expected range based on the watt hours you have available. It also depends on the efficiency of the motor at different voltages but if it's designed properly, a high voltage EUC should not suffer from lost range. It should just give you the option to deliver more power to the motor hence burning through your range."
Your perspective is from your own body size/weight, but what about the larger riders that need that extra battery to ride at speed?
Yeah I'm very light weight. Bigger riders would appreciate the extra battery more for sure
You're 100% right on that about the Sherman Max, I would still have to look real close at the new suspension Sherman and watch it for a while before I bought it.
Yeah definitely. Will be interesting to see how it goes against the V13 too
@@arcrides6841 that's for sure young man I would bet the Sherman is going to be a better wheel that's just my opinion.
Do you think if you weighed 200 lb and still had the capability of riding as you do now the Sherman Max would feel better.
It's very possible but can't say for sure. Would be good to have a 200 lb rider try both wheels to see what they think. Although they'd need to ride them for at least 1000 km each to give a good opinion on how the 2 wheels compare.
@@arcrides6841 I agree with you 100% on that young man listen you take care of yourself and stay blessed the lord loves you.
Bigger battery = more range between charges = less charges = fewer charging cycles = longer lasting battery lifetime
That's true but even the OG Sherman will get about 110 000 km before any significant battery degradation occurs. Even at that point it will still have a range of over 80km per charge and will be usable up to around 200 000 km. So there's not much need for more longevity. The most km I've ever heard of being put on a wheel anywhere on the internet is 30 000 km.
Appreciate your take on the Master Pro however it's a 22" wheel with suspension, 134v, and 4800wh. It's a big man/speed demon/ extended range wheel. If you weight under 180lbs, I wouldn't expect anyone to purchase it. I'm sure it's going to make the suspension less Sherman/Max feel like a toy/ "paperweight" as u stated.
I do wish it was built more durable in the result of a spill. I'm not crazy about the plastic battery housing.
I'm not buying the MP to use the entire range I'm buying it so I can sustain 50+mph without fear and without beeps and I can't wait for the release bc it's already pre-ordered. This is Begodes 4th attempt at a suspension wheel I'm sure the Master Pro will be a great wheel for whomever indulges.
New Era of riding is on the horizon, prepare yourselves 🤙🏿
Good point I'm pretty light weight. That also means I get more range from less battery. I'm satisfied with the range I get from the OG at speed but there's one more important thing to consider. If I was in a city where I could ride at top speed for long distances then I would probably desire more battery. In my city I can't do that so I can never burn through a battery like a hog. I wish I could though.
Begode just dropped the Master Pro X to compete w Sherman-S. Same specs as Master Pro but w 3600wh and nominal lower weight. Sherman suspension looks like it could be next level. Exciting year for EUCs!
Yeah someone mentioned that they outsourced the design of the suspension system to an established bicycle suspension company. That sounds like a very good choice.
@@arcrides6841 Leaperkim did for the Sherman-S not Begode (they need to tho, theirs is a cheap hot mess).
I assumed that the 4800 wh battery was to compensate for the wheel being 134v vs 100v. One of the first things I heard ppl complain about the master was the range. It's a high torque motor running at high speeds. See ESimon's comment, it looks like they did the math.
Oh yeah I saw ESimon's comment on that. I'll paste my response below:
"Energy is measured in joules or watt hours so that's really the most important metric regarding range. Think about if you had a 1 million volt EUC with the same amp hours as the Sherman. So you'd have 2.4 Million cells in total compared to the Sherman's 240 cells. Do you think you'd have the same range? Of course you'd have much much more.
You're right in that a higher voltage allows you to burn through the battery faster but you don't have to. If you ride conservatively it should give you the expected range based on the watt hours you have available. It also depends on the efficiency of the motor at different voltages but if it's designed properly, a high voltage EUC should not suffer from lost range. It should just give you the option to deliver more power to the motor hence burning through your range."
Leaperkim have made the inspired decision to have an outside specialised cycle suspension firm design their suspension system for the Sherman S, it will be very interesting to see how this turns out vis a vis the InMotion V13. Weight increases on both wheels may set them over and beyond the ‘practical offroad’ use barrier though, and jumping with these heavier wheels is simply gonna be a no-no. But for sure they’re likely to be very comfortable cruising wheels, though this is not really what you are looking for in you ‘delivery mode’ application. Best wait and see.
The Begode Master can be improved in terms of its out of the box fragility, which seems to be its main let-down, but even saying this, Chance Hinze (WattsSingleTrack channel on YT) rates it far above the rest currently, and nobody gives their wheels a harder time off-road. With Grizzla or the much larger Clark protection bumpers, you have a great level of added protection for the Master, albeit at a cost, but it makes sense (in the absence of Begode beefing up the rear light, using better quality foam for the seat, etc) to protect your substantial investment. A roll cage like those made by Splyce EUC would also go a ‘looooong-waaay’ 😆 to protect both the battery packs and the top & tail of the wheel.
wow that's really exciting news. Sounds like they made the best possible choice. Can't wait to see what they come out with.
The voltage is 126 V if you listen to the 300 Newton meters that equates to 221 foot pounds of torque and a limited to 55 miles an hour
As long as it has the torque behind the speed then it should be good. Can't wait to see how fast this thing goes. I'm sure it will be the fastest wheel to date.
Yes have you seen the new suspension Sherman I got a glimpse of it on UA-cam it looks pretty tough, hope you're doing well ARC.
That’s just a render. There’s no Sherman-S yet so who knows how tough it will be.
@@wutruriding1355 what I meant is when they come up with one I want to see how tough it is, there was a clip on UA-cam that showed a Sherman with suspension.
Oh yeah I did see that actually. Can't wait to hear people's thoughts after riding it.
@@arcrides6841 me and you both it was a good looking machine to make I like the looks of it.
Very nice drift good control
Thanks bro. Gotta get back into these. That was some old footage. Hard to do it at the moment when it's always wet because the gravel becomes sticky. Too much grip to slide. When it's hot and dry it turns powdery and becomes slippery.
I love this video- great channel great content!!!
Thanks bro. Great to have you drop by the channel!!