lol yeah. 98kg is what Sayama is now, not at the time of the match. Watch the vid - Nishi is taller than Sayama and looks much better built. He couldn't have not had at least a good 20ib over Sayama.
@@MalaEstrella There's no way Sayama was 160 though. I've seen videos of him rolling with Shooto fighters of the time and he was way bigger than everyone he was rolling with and one of them was at least 186 and definitely outsized. Sayama's short but he definitely gained weight following his wrestling days.
I think Satoru Sayama starts doing better at about 3:50, as his unorthodox takedowns and submission attempts are much better than earlier. However, Nishi was definitely dominant here.
I would not use this as evidence to his true skills, he's clearly letting himself be thrown multiple times, this seems less a exhibition and more a practiced routine.
2:00 Sayama throws 2 slow left high kicks with the exact same telegraph. Not even an amateur kickboxer would do such a thing. He is clearly fighting stupid to show Nishi's skills.
Sayoru Sayama era un abusivo con sus estudiantes, pero aquí parece un gato enfermo y temeroso. Que bueno que lo pusieron en su lugar. Aquí no se pudo hacer el vivo.😊
Mucha técnica es realmente un placer de ver sin tantos puñetazos y sangre q se ve en MMA en dónde algunas peleas terminan siendo muchas veces realmente aburridas...
エキシビションだからある程度は約束通りの展開になってるのは間違いないけど普通に考えて佐山ほどの大物が意図的にこうも格を落とすような試合をするとは考えづらい
いくらキック力が強くたって長い間プロレスをやってきた佐山じゃ競技としての格闘技をずっとやってきた人の相手にならないのは普通のこと
プロレスに幻想抱いてる人は認めたくないだろうけど
ですかね。
着想とか発想は時代の先を行く天才。
しかし競技者としての経験値は僅かというか無しに等しい。
けれども総合格闘を競技化(選手育成を含め)した功績はもっと評価されるべきと思います。
西が約束通りやるわけない、性格的に。
西さんリングスにも上がって、あんまり勝てなかったけど、すごい人なんだな。
@@user-still そうなの？そういう人なんだ。
佐山ほぼやられてる
2:06 蹴りの練習で「倒れろ」って連呼してたのはこういうことだったのか…
Satoru Sayama: 160 lb (73 kg)
Yoshinori Nishi: 205 lbs (92.99 kg)
lol no. Tiger Mask ( Sayama) is actually 98 kg
lol yeah. 98kg is what Sayama is now, not at the time of the match. Watch the vid - Nishi is taller than Sayama and looks much better built. He couldn't have not had at least a good 20ib over Sayama.
@@MalaEstrella There's no way Sayama was 160 though. I've seen videos of him rolling with Shooto fighters of the time and he was way bigger than everyone he was rolling with and one of them was at least 186 and definitely outsized. Sayama's short but he definitely gained weight following his wrestling days.
何もさせてもらえないのも技術の内。
sick flying armbar at 3:22
これは見事なタイガーステップ
ヒクソンを日本に招聘した佐山、そして来日第一戦を買って出た西。黎明期のMMAを作りだした御二方。
How are these guys in the same weight class holy shet
圧倒的な実力差。ヒクソン強かったんだね。
@タイガー・ザ・グレート ただのエキシビションだからこそなんだよね～。
体の大きさが違うな
I think Satoru Sayama starts doing better at about 3:50, as his unorthodox takedowns and submission attempts are much better than earlier. However, Nishi was definitely dominant here.
あの合宿で張られてた人 殴られ損やん！
佐山が弱いんじゃなくて相手が強い
そもそもこの時佐山は格闘技では選手を辞め実戦から離れてる。かたや西は現役で、しかも自分の得意な道着着用で身長も高い。これだけ有利な条件が揃えば一方的でも全然驚かん。逆にいい勝負をしてたらあまりに西が情けなさ過ぎる。
ボコボコにやられるのも技術のうち！
grande sensei saturo sayama
最初のテイクダウンも飛び付き逆十字も西さんの道着の使い方が上手い。
エキシビションを意識してか佐山さんは見映えのするハイキックを多用してるし、これで実力云々を言われたらかなわんだろうな。
I would not use this as evidence to his true skills, he's clearly letting himself be thrown multiple times, this seems less a exhibition and more a practiced routine.
2:00 Sayama throws 2 slow left high kicks with the exact same telegraph. Not even an amateur kickboxer would do such a thing. He is clearly fighting stupid to show Nishi's skills.
Sayoru Sayama era un abusivo con sus estudiantes, pero aquí parece un gato enfermo y temeroso. Que bueno que lo pusieron en su lugar. Aquí no se pudo hacer el vivo.😊
殺陣が上手くても剣道で勝てるわけではない。それと同じです。
ヒクソン＞西＞佐山
What style does Nishi use in this video?
It almost looks like a combination of Judo Jujutsu, and Kyokushin
Nishi has a background in Judo, Karate, Kick Boxing, Submission Wrestling, and Kudo.
Nishi Sensei was a student of Azuma Takashi(Kudo Daido juku)and before Masahiko Kimura (Judo)
Thank you to the both of you for answering my question! I am humbly greatful!!!
@@heman5077 your very wellcome 🤙🤙🤙🤙
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俺、西先生に空手教えてもらってた
Mucha técnica es realmente un placer de ver sin tantos puñetazos y sangre q se ve en MMA en dónde algunas peleas terminan siendo muchas veces realmente aburridas...
+FKMGDR tal vez las reglas eran como las iniciales de shooto que no permitian los puños a la cara cuando se esta en el suelo.
Wow, Sayama's grappling did not look good. Love when Nishi timed the high kick and swept him on his ass.
legend
That is sport,have only the necessary violence......they are adversary and not ENEMY!!
is there a website or a document files whichs talks about Lumax cup? e.g. who was the founder of Lumax cup??
Between Lumax Cups, U-Japan, White Dragon in Eastern Europe and etc... we are losing a lot of history very quickly.
タイガーガチだと弱いのか・・・
まあ、体重差もあるからなあ。
ゴッチさんに謝れ!w
佐山弱すぎて吹いたｗｗｗ
佐山の格闘技術は所詮空想の世界だったか
体重の違いと格闘技では西の方がずっと積極的だったという事実のほかに、佐山は体調を崩し、エネルギーが足りなかった。😢
西義則✖️ 西良典⭕️ 和術慧舟會創始者
who's who?
Gabe Mort Sayama's in the black gi.
片やデモで演っている。一方は硬くいっている、アマ。
Kosen Judo vs. Pro Wrestling / Shooto?
gabehcuoD suoitneterP Not Judo but Kudo.
@@w.a2617 Nishi was a Kosen judo guy, taught by Kimura himself.
what is this art???
Shooto vs Kudo
Which is nishi
The one wears Karate's uniform.
カプW.A 一々外人コメに反応すんなや
きっしょ
開始早々フライングクロスチョップでダウンさせて、倒れてる相手にエルボー叩き込めば勝てたかも。
タイガースープレックスで3カウントだ！
西良典が圧倒したのは、双方が道着を着たから。双方が裸なら、佐山聡が有利でしょう。
微妙な試合
やはり佐山はプロレスが上手いな。西のオッサンが下手なので見応えがあまり無いが。
これも技術のうち！
佐山のミニスカにレギンスみたいなコスチューム何なの？昔のUWFなんかのスパッツ姿も大嫌いだったわ。