Every movie fan should know the biased nature of IMDb's ratings. Especially if that is your job. Studies have shown that most IMDb are male and young, which explains why female leading films have lower ratings and most films from Fincher, Tarantino and Nolan are on the top 250. I would never base the assessment of a film on a IMDB rating.
I agree except in the "female leading" part. Most of the movies with "female leads" are just atrocious attempts of the Americans to appear as having a more "inclusive" and fair industry. While they often lack substance, the main mistake of this type of flicks is that Americans, and Westerners, in general, have tried to separate them from the rest of genres, creating some sort of genre on its own. These type of movies are often made around the notion that we're supposed to value them over the fact that there are more vaginas than penises on screen, which to anyone who is about room temperature iq is just insulting and ends up devaluing actually well made movies about women, or made around concepts such as femininity. That's not art, that's just politics. On the other hand, Tarantino has good movies but it's frankly extremely overrated, specially by young people as you said, same with Nolan. Also Tarantino is a known plagiarizer. I wouldn't be too harsh with Fincher, he is one of the good ones. But, anyway, it's just the popular vote as you say, but if you know how to read IMDb ratings based on the type of movie (mainstream or independent, popcorn or intellectual, amusing or interesting, with none of these being exclusive) it's still a pretty good tool.
But this film has a male lead. Which is not typical for a Bergman film. I think a majority of them have female leads. TBH, this has got to be his most male movie he ever made. With that, I mean that the people who actually liked the movie are unlikely to be female. But "young" is probably applicable here. If you find a young person with the patience to watch this whole thing, I applaud you, and that young person. And it really is his worst film. Unless you have a very specific taste. But even if you love film noir... I would never recommend this movie, except perhaps as for a curiosity if you also love Bergman.
Sorry but i really don't see the point of this essay. You fail to go into any in-depth analysis and by the end you're praises the film. Surly using the term 'worst' in the title suggest it's bad, this should be changed to 'underlooked'.
That's fandor for you, I stick around because they have improved and I really see potential but they really do meander and sound as though they're just reading from a script rather than bringing anything new to the table, but again they have definitely improved and I do enjoy the discussions in the comments.
The swedish film institute recently played this film this year at the cinema for one night only and they started off with some guy from the bergman foundation telling stories about how they tried to show this film in the 90s. So they asked him before and he said no and they still showed the film and then just a few days later bergman himself showed up and was so pissed and called them out for it.
You guys hear about Criterion's Bergman release? 39 films on blu ray in a great looking set coming in november. Without a doubt my must buy of the year
As a swede I recommend the film "Hets" (in Swedish). With script by Bergman and partly directed. (Main director Alf Sjöberg) It's mainly about a young man and his demonic and mentally disturbed teacher. The teacher is brilliant played by Stig Järrel. You can find the whole movie on UA-cam (in Swedish..) !
This guy has never watched a Bergman film in it's entirety. That or he should just stick to moronic, Hollywood, big picture releases with comic book characters or anything starring Phoebe Waller Bridge.
I thought it would be "All These Women" (aka "Now About These Women"), which apparently was a comedy that landed like a cow pat. There is nothing more depressing than a bad comedy.
It's a brave thing to make a video with this title. I've just read Bergman's book "Pictures", where he himself re-views his own films. He said for this film that to him wasnt a strange thing to make a detective movie, the problem was that he was forced to make this one. As you can see, there are "glimpses" of his cinematic manuscript, but, also there is no passion and deep going into the matter, as in his late-r movies. He made a lot of movies, so there must be one to not be proud of. Bergman said that his two movies that he is not proud of were "The Touch" and "This could not happen here". Just like Kubrick said that the movie hi absolutely dislikes was his first, "Fear and desire", and also I think that David Lynch is not very happy with "Dune". You know, (sh)it happens, and the greats are humans too.
And you like "Dark Knight," "Die Hard" and Adam Sandler? I'd stick to what I know if I were you and leave Bergman to other minds. Besides, the worst movies Bergman made were "The Touch," "From the Lives of the Marionettes," and "Serpent's Egg."
Despite some stilted English dialogue I thought THE TOUCH was one of Bergman's better films. There's lots of room for debate with Bergman and personally I think THE TOUCH was as underrated as CRIES AND WHISPERS was overrated.
This Can't Happen Here (1950) cannot possibly be worse than All These Women (1964). I had the chance to watch the latter movie for free online. I couldn't get past the first ten minutes.
Bergman was forced by contract to make this movie. When he said he wanted to quit the job in the middle of its shooting, a producer menaced him to be banned from the cinema industry for life. At least that's what Bergman himself affirmed. Other films that he did not like in his own filmografy were The touch, The serpent's egg, All these women.
Just watched it again last night. I agree that it was a failed project...disjointed and more interested in capturing liv's olympic acting feats. But its also a supreme guilty pleasure.a freak show of grand proportion that, intentionally or not, lightens up the heavy scandinavian pseudo-psych prevalent in a majority of ingmars work. And it truly.is guilty. I watched it again.last night laughing and entertained, especially during that swingers party hosted by the aging mark of the gang of queens siphoning her off. The 70s decor alone is worth restoration. Criterion must release now
Haha. A film noir from Bergman! I would watch it even if it is bad. I've watched only like 12-15 of his films, but in love with his style. So this film was basically to Bergman what Spartacus was to Kubrick.
Yeah, in terms of "hating their own films", it would be the equivalent of Killer's Kiss, sure. But it wasn't really a financial move, was it? Kubrick made Spartacus to prove that he can make commercially successful films so that he can demand total creative control over his later movies. This is what, I think, Bergman planned on this.
That's a good point. But other reason for Kubrick's dislike of the movie was his clash with star Kirk Douglas, Spartacus being an ego proyect for him having fired a previous director before hiring Stanley Kubrick.
The one Bergman film to which I cannot relate at all and (frankly) which I do not enjoy at all is "Fanny and Alexander," either the television or the theatrical version. I also find "Autumn Sonata" and "Sarabande" rough going. This is coming from the individual who believes that "From the Life of the Marionettes" may be Bergman's greatest achievement, along with "The Silence." Both are two of the dozen greatest films ever made.
Thanks for this. your analysis appears spot-on: Bergman's equivalent to Kubrick's "The Killing", perhaps. Kurosawa has some similar low-hanging fruit early on, although Sanshiro Sugata 2 is an easier pick than anything in Bergman's catalogue.
it has nothing to do with the video, i just finished "shame" it is great but it just made me very confused, is the end that speach about the dream? or was there other ending? it just feels a little abrubt, if it was intended that way i understand, still great, just curious to know a lil bit more about the film. .-. (sry idk written english that well)
I've never seen such a hostile, hiveminded comment section in a video essay before, but here's my two cents: I think the point of the video is to say that even Bergman's worst work is a good film that deserves some love.
This Can't Happen Here isn't a bad film at all..... Its like Bergman doing Hitchcock. Very unlike Bergman. He didn't like it and disowned it. I reckon that's why it has such a low imdb rating..... If Bergman didnt like it then its good enough for them. But for me it's a better film than Brink of Life which I didn't like at all due to the subject matter, stagey feel and dullness
Very nice! For such a prolific filmmaker there has to be a movie like this... but even a bad film from a great auteurlike him is more decent than any quick cash grab from any Hollywood studio. I'm totally checking the channel. Thanx!!!
FACE TO FACE released by Paramount was the one Bergman did everything he could to destroy. It is the forgotten Bergman. And it really is a very flawed film.
Personally I think Persona is overrated. Bunch of bullshit. I mean don't get me wrong...i love slow, complex and brooding dramas but all what Persona gave me is a headache the first time I watched it(literally). PS: dont come after me calling me dumb...cause I'm pretty sure a lot people will agree with what I said.
Taedrem, Why would you watch 60+ films by a director you don't like? Surely after 10 or so you would realize that you didn't like Bergman, so why would you watch all of them?
Many of Bergman's early films were meh but showed great potential.It's in mid to late 50s he slowly found the right voice for him,in films like Gycklarnas afton,Sommaren med Monika,Sommarnattens leende
Every movie fan should know the biased nature of IMDb's ratings. Especially if that is your job. Studies have shown that most IMDb are male and young, which explains why female leading films have lower ratings and most films from Fincher, Tarantino and Nolan are on the top 250. I would never base the assessment of a film on a IMDB rating.
I agree except in the "female leading" part. Most of the movies with "female leads" are just atrocious attempts of the Americans to appear as having a more "inclusive" and fair industry. While they often lack substance, the main mistake of this type of flicks is that Americans, and Westerners, in general, have tried to separate them from the rest of genres, creating some sort of genre on its own. These type of movies are often made around the notion that we're supposed to value them over the fact that there are more vaginas than penises on screen, which to anyone who is about room temperature iq is just insulting and ends up devaluing actually well made movies about women, or made around concepts such as femininity. That's not art, that's just politics.
On the other hand, Tarantino has good movies but it's frankly extremely overrated, specially by young people as you said, same with Nolan. Also Tarantino is a known plagiarizer. I wouldn't be too harsh with Fincher, he is one of the good ones. But, anyway, it's just the popular vote as you say, but if you know how to read IMDb ratings based on the type of movie (mainstream or independent, popcorn or intellectual, amusing or interesting, with none of these being exclusive) it's still a pretty good tool.
I like to call IMDB, I aM DumB
@@luismarioguerrerosanchez4747 I bet you like the smell of your farts.
But this film has a male lead. Which is not typical for a Bergman film. I think a majority of them have female leads.
TBH, this has got to be his most male movie he ever made. With that, I mean that the people who actually liked the movie are unlikely to be female.
But "young" is probably applicable here. If you find a young person with the patience to watch this whole thing, I applaud you, and that young person.
And it really is his worst film. Unless you have a very specific taste. But even if you love film noir... I would never recommend this movie, except perhaps as for a curiosity if you also love Bergman.
Sorry but i really don't see the point of this essay. You fail to go into any in-depth analysis and by the end you're praises the film. Surly using the term 'worst' in the title suggest it's bad, this should be changed to 'underlooked'.
This is a very strange video essay. Its meandering and doesnt teach the viewer anything in particular
That's fandor for you, I stick around because they have improved and I really see potential but they really do meander and sound as though they're just reading from a script rather than bringing anything new to the table, but again they have definitely improved and I do enjoy the discussions in the comments.
Like some of Bergman’s lesser films (I love what I’ve seen by him, but I certainly don’t think they’ve all been perfect)
Thought me more of Bergman discography and how he sees his own work.
the guy's tone is irritating.
Just like Bergman worsts films.
>IMDB
Absolutely shameful.
Who takes IMDB seriously?
And what the hell was that ending
Please remember, IMDB has 'The Dark Knight' at number 4. So, yeah, let's not take a word they say all that seriously.
Lone Star where else would you put the film? 4 is good enough.
2001 & Beyond Solid film but shouldn’t really be in the top 100. IMDB are a joke
Pretentious douchebag
I would rather have Dark Knight at 4 than Shawshank Redemption at 1.
IMDB:s top list is a joke. More than half of the films are mediocre Hollywood crap.
The swedish film institute recently played this film this year at the cinema for one night only and they started off with some guy from the bergman foundation telling stories about how they tried to show this film in the 90s.
So they asked him before and he said no and they still showed the film and then just a few days later bergman himself showed up and was so pissed and called them out for it.
You guys hear about Criterion's Bergman release? 39 films on blu ray in a great looking set coming in november. Without a doubt my must buy of the year
Tristan Bennett Should be able to get half price to with the B&N sale
Well, if that doesn't bring on an early death, I don't know what would.
My most beloved possession in my film collection.
@@JarodRebuck same!
As a swede I recommend the film "Hets" (in Swedish). With script by Bergman and partly directed. (Main director Alf Sjöberg) It's mainly about a young man and his demonic and mentally disturbed teacher. The teacher is brilliant played by Stig Järrel. You can find the whole movie on UA-cam (in Swedish..) !
Its a well known film internationally.
This pointless video must be some film school student's graduate thesis.
This guy is reading a script.Probably lifted off a documentary.
all video essays are reading off a script genius
This guy has never watched a Bergman film in it's entirety.
That or he should just stick to moronic, Hollywood, big picture releases with comic book characters or anything starring Phoebe Waller Bridge.
My favorites: 1. Fanny And Alex 2. Persons 3. Face To Face -though it may be the hardest to sit through.
"Venetian blinds?"
"With utmost certainty!"
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IMDB, a "reliable source" lmfao.
@Luke Farris That's nice to hear! I didn't think my Letterboxd account was anything special.
I thought it would be "All These Women" (aka "Now About These Women"), which apparently was a comedy that landed like a cow pat. There is nothing more depressing than a bad comedy.
It's a brave thing to make a video with this title. I've just read Bergman's book "Pictures", where he himself re-views his own films. He said for this film that to him wasnt a strange thing to make a detective movie, the problem was that he was forced to make this one. As you can see, there are "glimpses" of his cinematic manuscript, but, also there is no passion and deep going into the matter, as in his late-r movies. He made a lot of movies, so there must be one to not be proud of. Bergman said that his two movies that he is not proud of were "The Touch" and "This could not happen here". Just like Kubrick said that the movie hi absolutely dislikes was his first, "Fear and desire", and also I think that David Lynch is not very happy with "Dune". You know, (sh)it happens, and the greats are humans too.
divnaindija24 Robert Altman didn’t think that Altman himself never made a bad movie. He thought Quintet was his best.
Fans of Bergman seem to be far more uptight than the filmmaker himself. Norgan fargin argon- bargain. That is Swedish for lighten up.
Det är fascinerande att få reda på hur människor från andra länder uppfattar det svenska språket. Norgan fargin argon ...
And you like "Dark Knight," "Die Hard" and Adam Sandler? I'd stick to what I know if I were you and leave Bergman to other minds. Besides, the worst movies Bergman made were "The Touch," "From the Lives of the Marionettes," and "Serpent's Egg."
Despite some stilted English dialogue I thought THE TOUCH was one of Bergman's better films. There's lots of room for debate with Bergman and personally I think THE TOUCH was as underrated as CRIES AND WHISPERS was overrated.
You are incredibly pretentious dawg
nicely done. spot on! you are exactly right, it's only bad in comparison. on its own merits, it's actually pretty good and nicely shot.
This Can't Happen Here (1950) cannot possibly be worse than All These Women (1964). I had the chance to watch the latter movie for free online. I couldn't get past the first ten minutes.
Bergman was forced by contract to make this movie. When he said he wanted to quit the job in the middle of its shooting, a producer menaced him to be banned from the cinema industry for life. At least that's what Bergman himself affirmed. Other films that he did not like in his own filmografy were The touch, The serpent's egg, All these women.
Damn, the internet can indeed be harsh. I guess it’s because viewers were expecting something else after that title.
Just watched it again last night. I agree that it was a failed project...disjointed and more interested in capturing liv's olympic acting feats. But its also a supreme guilty pleasure.a freak show of grand proportion that, intentionally or not, lightens up the heavy scandinavian pseudo-psych prevalent in a majority of ingmars work. And it truly.is guilty. I watched it again.last night laughing and entertained, especially during that swingers party hosted by the aging mark of the gang of queens siphoning her off. The 70s decor alone is worth restoration. Criterion must release now
Haha. A film noir from Bergman! I would watch it even if it is bad. I've watched only like 12-15 of his films, but in love with his style. So this film was basically to Bergman what Spartacus was to Kubrick.
I'd say Killer's Kiss.
Yeah, in terms of "hating their own films", it would be the equivalent of Killer's Kiss, sure. But it wasn't really a financial move, was it? Kubrick made Spartacus to prove that he can make commercially successful films so that he can demand total creative control over his later movies. This is what, I think, Bergman planned on this.
That's a good point. But other reason for Kubrick's dislike of the movie was his clash with star Kirk Douglas, Spartacus being an ego proyect for him having fired a previous director before hiring Stanley Kubrick.
@@anishdeshpande3784 More like Fear and Desire, the only film he disowned.
The one Bergman film to which I cannot relate at all and (frankly) which I do not enjoy at all is "Fanny and Alexander," either the television or the theatrical version. I also find "Autumn Sonata" and "Sarabande" rough going. This is coming from the individual who believes that "From the Life of the Marionettes" may be Bergman's greatest achievement, along with "The Silence." Both are two of the dozen greatest films ever made.
The Devil's Eye is pretty bad, too. They can't all be gems.
I was guessing The Touch, but this was more interesting.
"The Touch" was the worst. This one is from Bergman's apprenticeship days and is still better than half of the movies "Fandor" loves.
I love The Touch. It's so much better than This Can't Happen Here.
Thanks for this. your analysis appears spot-on: Bergman's equivalent to Kubrick's "The Killing", perhaps. Kurosawa has some similar low-hanging fruit early on, although Sanshiro Sugata 2 is an easier pick than anything in Bergman's catalogue.
The Killing is one of Kubrick's best
It's great, although perhaps one of his least unique? Not sure if the correct way to describe.
The Killing was the inspiration for Quentin Tarantino's Reservoir Dogs
Duffman42323 the killing is incredibly forgettable and outdated
IMO his worst film is Serpent's Egg.
it has nothing to do with the video, i just finished "shame" it is great but it just made me very confused, is the end that speach about the dream? or was there other ending? it just feels a little abrubt, if it was intended that way i understand, still great, just curious to know a lil bit more about the film. .-. (sry idk written english that well)
Some comments on here sound like they were written by the same idiots who gave the film a poor rating on imdb and rotten tomatoes.
no, it's definitely 'the touch'.
I've never seen such a hostile, hiveminded comment section in a video essay before, but here's my two cents: I think the point of the video is to say that even Bergman's worst work is a good film that deserves some love.
This Can't Happen Here isn't a bad film at all..... Its like Bergman doing Hitchcock. Very unlike Bergman. He didn't like it and disowned it. I reckon that's why it has such a low imdb rating..... If Bergman didnt like it then its good enough for them. But for me it's a better film than Brink of Life which I didn't like at all due to the subject matter, stagey feel and dullness
Such a lame try hard video essay.
Well.. I've seen most of them and Sånt händer inte här is indeed his worst one imo. Bergman didn't want anyone to see it.
Very nice! For such a prolific filmmaker there has to be a movie like this... but even a bad film from a great auteurlike him is more decent than any quick cash grab from any Hollywood studio. I'm totally checking the channel. Thanx!!!
The reliable source 🤮
I'd have thought that Bergman's worst film would have been something called "The Swedish Bikini Team do Malmo".
FACE TO FACE released by Paramount was the one Bergman did everything he could to destroy. It is the forgotten Bergman. And it really is a very flawed film.
Arguably the worst film from a universally acclaimed director. Appalling.
Oh come on. Yes, it’s overwrought, but the central performance alone saves it.
"this video essay was suddenly doomed" it was doomed from the beginning lmfao who thinks imbd is "reliable"
"Better to talk about a different Bergman film." You maybe should have started with this.
Thanks I really want to see it now
It is on UA-cam free of charge. Its actually not that bad a film... Kind of Hitchcockian in places.
@@marksweet3580 Thanks! People of often say The Touch is terrible but i think it's actually really great, intense and possibly misunderstood.
Tedious approach.
All These Women is amazing
Rosenbaum calls Bergman overrated
I already forgot who Rosenbaum is if you didn't mention him so I googled him up
The answer is Thirst!!! This can't happen here is good
I second that. Thirst or Brink of Life
Needs a restoration.
3:28 A Disney movie in a Bergman film? :D
It's not the only time he references animated films. He does the same in the opening scene of Persona for example.
What film was in Persona, I WONDER?
Sorry but the Touch is the worst . It is shallow one dimensional and soap-opera like.
He never made a bad film.😂
What is this video? It sounds like a high school video essay.
This video wasted my time
So it's not Bergman's Movie after all???? why the heck you make us watch it!
This video was doomed from the start
The legend
This can't happen here was veery boring
😂😂Hahaha worst film of Bergmann?you have serious problem
Who cares about imdb ?😂
Personally I think Persona is overrated. Bunch of bullshit. I mean don't get me wrong...i love slow, complex and brooding dramas but all what Persona gave me is a headache the first time I watched it(literally).
PS: dont come after me calling me dumb...cause I'm pretty sure a lot people will agree with what I said.
bergman was nuts and made awful film. pseudo-intellectuals love them
First
Bergman is actually very overrated. Here in Sweden many thinks so and they actually dare to say so. Most of the Swedes don´t like his movies.
They're all bad
you can't be serious
I hope you are serious.
Ernest Ignacy Masłowski I am serious
Taedrem It's good because I also hate this arrogant prick Bergman and his stupid, theatrical, thoutghtless, kitschy and quasi-intellectual films.
Taedrem, Why would you watch 60+ films by a director you don't like? Surely after 10 or so you would realize that you didn't like Bergman, so why would you watch all of them?
Many of Bergman's early films were meh but showed great potential.It's in mid to late 50s he slowly found the right voice for him,in films like Gycklarnas afton,Sommaren med Monika,Sommarnattens leende
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