A lot of these women were young children when captured so it is understandable that they knew or forgot their other life. I don't think a mature woman who has had their husband and children murdered tortured and mutilated would want to stay.
Revisionist history. Children who spent years as " captives" became full members of tribes , were Native in all ways. Grown women, who witnessed the horrors of the initial taking & the subsequent trail journey, I'm sure had a different take on the subject. Anyone who has read these journals or witness accounts of life among the Native Tribes, often described the back breaking, truly labor intensive chores of Native women. The men weren't all " the noble savage" ( Hiawatha). Marriage was not often in the same vein as the " White" man's rules. Captive slaves, whether Native or White, were viewed as trophies., often rewarded as gifts of battles. Death occasioned the taking of female family members. Brides were given to seal alliances or as peace making gestures. Go read your own accounts from tribes all across this Nation. The basic narrative is the same from coast to coast.
Read David Graeber's accounts. Almost no one kidnapped by native americans wanted to return to white society. Almost no native american that spent time in european households wanted to stay. It's been researched. Graeber & Wengrow write about it in their book.
My understanding is that native american people did not have a written languge until Europeans came on the scene and their written language developed as a consequence of that interaction. The native american tradition is that of an oral history.
The First peoples would paint/draw stories on buffalo, deer, moose and elk hides. They could carve stones and paint cave walls. The Woodland peoples would use birch and other barks from trees to draw symbols on. The woodland tribes also used wampum to tell a story.
This is so interesting. Although, it seems depending on the tribe was also depending on the treatment of the women. I also can imagine Stockholm syndrome to have taken place..and fear of being able to fot back in to an old society.. so much must have been on their minds. I have been reading some accounts. Some were treated miserably, and shown real hatred, and some were treated as new possessions and would just be burnt alive if their owner died..but often native Americans would show noble behavior. It was really good but hard to read. Part of me could understand why they took them, to replace their lost loved ones who were killed. I also just read that in the bible, another tribe in the old testament did the same, it seems this was quite a thing, stealing women to make up for the loss of their own. I can't help but want to crawl into the mind of a captive, to see what it was really like. I really really can understand the loneliness of western culture though as apposed to the native culture..after being exposed to both myself too, I feel very very lonely coming back to my culture, and it feels life just drains away.
Beautiful presentation of a neglected subject the white captives who rejected " snivelization" and chose native American lifeways as the better way. Historical points of view like this are the most enjoyable because they are views from the other side that critique " common sense".
I'm sympathetic to the overarching theme, but this is largely nonsense. While there were of course examples that would support this speaker's claims, the overwhelming evidence is against the position. Even in those cases that do support her theme, there's a lot of work to do. Stockholm's Syndrome just scratches the surface. In short, this presentation is academically void.
If this is author’s claim is true then American Indians could educate American white women what authentic “women’s liberation” is in practice. 😊 /Life Coaches, pay attention.
You are so awesome to listen to!! Thank you for explaining this so well!!
A lot of these women were young children when captured so it is understandable that they knew or forgot their other life. I don't think a mature woman who has had their husband and children murdered tortured and mutilated would want to stay.
Revisionist history. Children who spent years as " captives" became full members of tribes , were Native in all ways. Grown women, who witnessed the horrors of the initial taking & the subsequent trail journey, I'm sure had a different take on the subject. Anyone who has read these journals or witness accounts of life among the Native Tribes, often described the back breaking, truly labor intensive chores of Native women. The men weren't all " the noble savage" ( Hiawatha). Marriage was not often in the same vein as the " White" man's rules. Captive slaves, whether Native or White, were viewed as trophies., often rewarded as gifts of battles. Death occasioned the taking of female family members. Brides were given to seal alliances or as peace making gestures. Go read your own accounts from tribes all across this Nation. The basic narrative is the same from coast to coast.
Sooo... she states that you can read these positive accounts written by women... but only cites one work, written by a man in 1994... ummm... ?
Read David Graeber's accounts. Almost no one kidnapped by native americans wanted to return to white society. Almost no native american that spent time in european households wanted to stay.
It's been researched. Graeber & Wengrow write about it in their book.
Trust me…they love it
This is so true....
My understanding is that native american people did not have a written languge until Europeans came on the scene and their written language developed as a consequence of that interaction. The native american tradition is that of an oral history.
The First peoples would paint/draw stories on buffalo, deer, moose and elk hides. They could carve stones and paint cave walls. The Woodland peoples would use birch and other barks from trees to draw symbols on. The woodland tribes also used wampum to tell a story.
My Ojibwa ancestors have had a written language since their first migration dating back to 100 bc
more blather from an "educator" trashing our ways--the endless stream of negativity from these people is astounding
This is so interesting. Although, it seems depending on the tribe was also depending on the treatment of the women. I also can imagine Stockholm syndrome to have taken place..and fear of being able to fot back in to an old society.. so much must have been on their minds. I have been reading some accounts. Some were treated miserably, and shown real hatred, and some were treated as new possessions and would just be burnt alive if their owner died..but often native Americans would show noble behavior. It was really good but hard to read. Part of me could understand why they took them, to replace their lost loved ones who were killed. I also just read that in the bible, another tribe in the old testament did the same, it seems this was quite a thing, stealing women to make up for the loss of their own. I can't help but want to crawl into the mind of a captive, to see what it was really like. I really really can understand the loneliness of western culture though as apposed to the native culture..after being exposed to both myself too, I feel very very lonely coming back to my culture, and it feels life just drains away.
What a lot of bunk. We have accounts of early American women snd their captures were not pretty
She seems a little biased, they were taken against there will
Not all the time
Absolutely
No one likes patriarchy
Beautiful presentation of a neglected subject the white captives who rejected " snivelization" and chose native American lifeways as the better way. Historical points of view like this are the most enjoyable because they are views from the other side that critique " common sense".
new friend here
Did she just burp?
Good point. "if it wasn't written, it didn't happen". Excellent view on real history.
Not necessarily true
I'm sympathetic to the overarching theme, but this is largely nonsense. While there were of course examples that would support this speaker's claims, the overwhelming evidence is against the position. Even in those cases that do support her theme, there's a lot of work to do. Stockholm's Syndrome just scratches the surface. In short, this presentation is academically void.
If this is author’s claim is true then American Indians could educate American white women what authentic “women’s liberation” is in practice. 😊
/Life Coaches, pay attention.
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