Tyler Reddick On What It Would Take To Fix The Short Track Package | Door Bumper Clear
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- Tyler Reddick joined the boys over at Door Bumper Clear for their annual Christmas episode and they had many storylines to catch up on from the offseason. The first subject they tackled was the comments about horsepower being 'too expensive' of a fix.
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I remember in the 2000s drivers would only get to half throttle at bristol, thats where the drivers that were good at reducing tire spin and car control really shined
more horsepower = better racing, i would love see nascar drivers have thousand plus horse power. it would be fun to watch.
imagine 1000hp in the xfinity car? that would be amazing
When my daily driver has more HP than a nascar cup car, that is so wrong.
I built a Yates c3 headed windsor based motor as a young man because cup motors were a thing of beauty. These motors now don’t bring about those same feelings. Like you said, people’s daily drivers make so much hp on pump gas that these new cup motors look kind of silly.
The pace car has had more HP than the race cars behind it many times since the 550 package came out.
@@RoastBeefSandwichThe cars have 670 horsepower right now As the target number. That's more horsepower than the street Ford mustang dark horse or the 2025 Toyota Camry
Indy car almost has a thousand horsepower and Honda says it's too expensive and has even threatened to leave to Motorsports like our Nascar or spend more money and F1 where there's a bigger return
@@nascaralert4504 those are tiny little 2.2 liter engines. Cup engines are so much bigger that the horsepower is much easier (as in cheaper) to get.
More horsepower and less on throttle time would absolutely make for better racing. It would emphasize driver skills and chassis set-up.
The Car will Have Less on throttle time if the Tire was more Narrow. A more Narrow Tire would make the Car have Less Grip in the Corner& make The Car Harder to Drive out of the Corners. Simple Fix
EFI isn't holding them back. Rules are. And yeah, the Trans Am series makes more power and the engines cost WAY less to build.
Hell even Supercars have managed to cut the costs of the engines in half and keep the power at 650hp, yes its not quite 900 but the formula is there.
i think part of the problem is that the actual car is so good now that boring tracks will produce boring racing, just not enough fall off. I have been watching boring races for decades now btw. i have dozed off at atlanta (before the repave) and at Talladega (before they tore down the backstretch. The car is so good now that road races may be the thing to do, and shorttracks with LOTS of horsepower. your typical 1.5 mile oval or bigger is just not exciting without horespower. and we can't really go as fast as Bill Elliott did and be safe in any kind of car.
Yes!!!!!!!! YES SPEAK THE TRUTH!!!!!!!
Not just Horsepower It a combination of Rear Gear and transmission ratios that give the sweet spot of a car's ability to show the driver skills and chassis set-up to achieve the best racing. Driver Safety is also a part of why the horsepower is limited. Looking at NASCAR's history of how much HP the older car had It still needed gearing and car control to make for good racing.
Plus, removing the splitter would be beneficial
As well as Increasing Engine Oil Tank Capacity
Limiting hp isn't making it safer, if the lap times and lap speeds are still the same. It just changes the way it acts in the corner. OEM's and nascar want teams to get more races from the engines. How Reddick and Harvick (on the Dale Jr podcast) explained it, it sounds more like kart racing now, almost in the throttle all the way around the track instead of rolling in and driving off off a turn.
Doug Yates stated a couple months ago another 100hp is no problem for the current set up. Beyond that it would take some work. Think about it cup cars had 950hp but 1.25" less tire on all 4 corners
Even adding another hundred You might have to change the gear ratio and with the setup have now that might be costly since not a solid rear axle
There's zero reason to not add more horsepower. I'm so beyond tired of hearing this debate. It's pathetic that a billion dollar industry can't figure out how to solve this problem.
Well no there is a reason and that is some factor, most likely an OEM or 2 pushing against it
You better talk to the manufacturers Plus there's a cost because the more you increase the power the more likely you're going to need a fresh engine every week
@@johnhaas2523then pay the manufacturers, pay the crew, and reduce spending elsewhere.
Give them 50000000 HP & make the tire As wide As the Track. So Nothing or Nobody can Pass. Or. Just make the Tire more Narrow& have less grip & see who the Real driver is. Let me Know
@@ianperry95981 OEM. Toyota has always struggled to make power. NASCAR coddling Toyota is why we are in this mess to begin with.
As Ken Schrader said going fast down the straight is easy, the hard part is turning and return the opposite direction. Tire, Tire, Tire smaller width and higher sidewall with possible increase in power. The car needs to be fast enough down the straight that requires enough brake for cornering and smaller maybe wearing tire loosing grip will require fineness quality driving, check out Petty @ North Wilks drifting high and wide.
Steve Phelps statement, “ I don’t think more horsepower is the answer, because horsepower is expensive” is a great example of why Nascar is trending in the wrong way.
A visionary leader says “how can we put on the best show, and what will it take to get there?”
Then they set out to incorporate the right people to make it happen.
More money should be seen as an investment, not a sacrifice.
You tell that to the owners
@@johnhaas2523 🙄
@@johnhaas2523 confirmation of why the sport is slowly dying.
Racing always has and always will be about the excitement of pushing the edge of man vs machine.
@@VMHP23clown
Indy car almost has a thousand horsepower and Honda says it's too expensive and has even threatened to leave to Motorsports like our Nascar or spend more money and F1 where there's a bigger return
Tyler is talking about 2014 high down force high horsepower every week a new track record.
They're preparing the sport for hybrid or EV, it's plain as day. If they give in to the added HP, people will be even more disappointed when the time comes. Same thing with mufflers, make the cars more quiet so people get used to it and the move to silence is less of a shock. These are calculated moves, mark my words.
They could go to hydrogen power in the next few years possibly but no matter what do The next engine is definitely going to be smaller cubic inches and just maybe nascar and IMSA have the same engine in the future
@@johnhaas2523 They already have an EV current gen Cup car that has been being tested quietly (no pun intended).
@@wnracingnobody said it was a cup car just a race car that they have tested
@@johnhaas2523 The leaked image looks an awful lot like a next gen chassis with a different body & wing. Centerlock wheel, etc.
Bad For The Sport
The DARF hat I need one... LOL
900-950 is easy for that combo. Then take away 2inches of tires . The engines get rebuilt after every race anyway
They do not get rebuilt after every race anymore You have to use the same short block or long block for at least 2 races each for x number of races This is why NASCAR does not tear down the race running engine unless it's the second time it's been used
I think the fix is a narrower tire. Is this cheap, no. It would cost NASCAR about 10 million to buy all the teams new rims. Here’s the engineering explanation: Wider tire equals a few things. More lateral grip since there is more surface area, more Heat dissipation resulting in tires not overheating and wearing out since the rubber does not get hot enough to burn off, more flexibility in the corner since you have a wider core (also reason why it looks like teams are running them flat bc lower pressure allows more flex), more grip under braking again bc of more surface area allowing more rolling resistance, more grip under acceleration again bc there is more surface area allowing for the power being put through the tire to be dispersed better and preventing slippage (aka friction). There is no falloff bc the tire does not get hot enough for the chemical reaction to happen to change the molecular strength of the tire. Need I go further NASCAR. Surely your engineers have told you this by now
You know who we're buying the new wheels? It wouldn't be NASCAR
I’d like to see narrower tires for ovals and a more GTE/GT2 approach for road racing using the Garage 56 experience. In both cases there should be more power.
One aero change that could help is fixing the fit of the splitters and floor so they don’t run the cars squat in the rear. Putting adjustability back into the rear of the car seems like a no-brainer.
Just put the Xfinity tires on Cup cars, that alone would help.
Fans want power!!!
You can't just add horsepower! It requires a low geared, 4 speed that would spin the tires off if you slam the throttle! Torque means as much as HP!
I did hear probably 6 months ago either on DJD or another interview where the OEM's are not wanting the big horsepower. Various reasons...but I suspect that there is probably back door financial reasons that someone isn't saying that is gripping the increase in HP. Higher HP will increase the tire fall off (more pit stops=more money), braking stress due higher corner entries, more stress on the driveline which means they will have to redesign the vender parts=more money, the list goes on but the racing will be better and that will increase revenue for Nascar. Just my take.....
THE BOYS ARE BACK!!
Horsepower fixes Everything...
False
Truth
It wouldn't hurt.
I don’t get why manufacturers are so against more horsepower. Sure, it would increase costs a lot, but in the long run you will have much more people watching and pouring money into the sport because it will be a must see event in person and many people will want to tune in to see good racing.
it's a money losing endeavor for the manufacturers I suspect. more hp means more money lost
Because they don't sell cars with 900 horsepower The mustang dark horse makes a little less horsepower than the race car dark horse does The 2025 Toyota Camry makes less horsepower than the Camry race car
You’re the man Reddick. Can’t wait until you dominate in 2024!
I know it is not this simple -- reduce the tire patch I like try n grooves !!!
In this aspect it cost WAY more to gain 1/10th of HP than it does to gain 300. R&D work and time will cost way more when they are constantly trying to redesign combustion chamber and Piston tops to gain 1/10th of HP.
Since there’s a boundary of say 600 and you’re at 598, you have to find 2HP. You can pull a restrictor plate or tapered spacer and gain 100+ instantly. Of course they’ll be redesign for durability but you can gain plenty of power very quickly.
An engineer can explain the reason it cost more to try to find 1 HP
@@johnhaas2523 of course they can explain it better than me. I’m just generalizing.
5:38 oohhhhh the irony
They really
Cut horsepower to save money in all aspects of the sport. Really to also help try to salvage the next gen cars from wrecks as well
Interesting that Chase Elliott said adding horsepower wouldn't change anything earlier this year now Tyler Reddick is saying the same thing.
Its aggravating when me a 16 year old is starting to lose love for the sport that i have grown up with. I truly find it hard to understand why a billion dollar company cant give us 900+ horsepower. Its not safety, its not the cost, its not the drivers or fans saying no; it really is NASCAR just being scared to take a risk that could save the sport. People only quit watching because the racing became bad when they made it easy to control the car and lowered the horsepower enough to where drivers can quite literally just get in the car and floor it around the track. Its to the point where NASCAR needs to start taking risks and attempt to save the sport or else it will die; and now is the best time since they have just gotten 8 billion dollars from the new TV package. It's honestly sad, and I understand why NASCAR fans quit watching when the CoT car was introduced. Hopefully NASCAR will start to change and accept being wrong, I would love to hear that old scream the cars use to have when they were 1000+ horsepower. With the safety we have today, it wouldn't hurt to try it. Especially after we experienced Newman's flip in 2020 and preece's flip this year.
Because no manufacture wants that kinda horsepower. Do you see any Hondas with 900 horsepower any Toyota's? Not even the new mustang dark horse makes 900 horsepower And you don't f****** understand about the f****** cost to the teams That would have to buy a new for every race plus it backup engines and Doug Yates from ROUSH Yates engines would have to increase the cost that Ford teams have to pay and ECR engine shop and HMS engine shop with half to also increase to the teams at lease engines from them. The money isn't there like it used to be from sponsors
Dude iam the same age as u but saying that really make me not believe u like the sport enough
Well, if I'm a driver and knowing we won't get more power next year, I'd at least get some drivers together and beg them to give a huge hp engine for the all star race. Give them the near 1000hp engine and see what happens. Let the drivers figure it out. Yeah, the drivers want to win the all star race, but it isn't an overly prestigious thing. Does anyone know how many All Star wins Stewart, Gordon, Busch, etc have? I sure as hell don't. Let's do the testing there if they aren't willing to try anywhere else.
Tony Stewart after NASCAR reduced the horsepower said if he wanted to drive a X-finity car he would run on Saturday and save some money. He also said the teams are still spending the same amount of money or more then they were before. The horsepower reduction is one of the many mistakes that had been made over the past few years
It saves the money compared to 38 engines plus backup engines
Horsepower increase is needed.
Harvick said the exact opposite thing. NASCAR engines at the peak were around 1100hp. 1000hp is sexy and dangerous, 750 sounds like the drivers have limp biscuits problems.
Nine hundred horsepower is what made a cup car a cup car
Imagine if the "sport" was about the racing and not about the budget.
Dale Dale Dale Dale Dale
There is SOOOOOO MUCH that I want to say but AS YOU KNOW
I'm protecting my tight to contest the statute of limitations
I don't know what is going on in the brain of Joe Butler but he has YOUR LIFE in his hands.🤷🏾♀️
I'd be curious to see what just putting a two speed into the cars at all the ovals does, and just keep the 5 speed at road courses.
These cars have the ability to make more horsepower simply by changing the tune in the on board computer, I'm sure there's someone already figured this out.
False as this isn't like street cars with EFI and they still have a tapered spacer. This is not direct cylinder injection It's the throttle body that has the fuel injectors
Truth
Go back to a solid rear axle. That’s where the biggest gain in handling came from. And go back to open motors.
That's outdated technology And do you not understand Jim France what's the cars to be like sports cars And I'm pretty sure that was made clear with garage 56 and I don't think too many of the cars made today have solid rear axles
Anything Haas says is OUTDATED.
He isn’t entirely wrong about the power needing to make a significant jump. When I can build a reliable 600 hp 300CI coyote in my garage that is naturally aspirated there is no reason nascar shouldn’t be in the 1000 hp mark reliably. Similar to what they said the average dirt super latemodel at your local dirt track is in the 850-900 hp range, lasts an entire season between rebuilds and outside of cautions lives sees 500-100 laps per weekend 30 weeks out of the year at 9200 rpm and some see in excess of 11,000 rpm and just get a valve spring change every 4 events as basic maintenance. The parts are already available, and to have a bunch of custom cams ground and new pistons machined for every single engine in a particular manufactures stable could be done on the 2.5 months before Daytona. They already have the data from what worked before.
You're not thinking about the RPMs at the engine has to withstand for 4 hours on Sundays and let's say 1 hr on Saturdays
love the topics but damn if i had a dollar for everytime someone gets cut off id be dale jr rich 😂
We should make the cars lower to the ground like in the 2018 season at Daytona
Reducing horsepower with plates is just gonna force teams to test a ton on the dyno to make the most horsepower possible with the airflow allowed. Thus the engines aren't gonna be a ton cheaper AND they're gonna be less impressive. The only way to make THAT go away is to have a spec engine......
Maybe I shouldn't give NASCAR ideas.
(More horsepower is always expensive, but motorsport has always had the potential to put whole auto companies out of business. That's how it's been since before the world wars. Big whoop. If the teams are STILL losing money then we're gonna have to ask what cost savings have really given us. Frankly, i cannot believe I live in a world where racers are arguing about whether it is beneficial to have MORE HORSEPOWER.)
for the most part it already a spec engine because there are so many rules reagarding head spacing , valves engine block size its ridiculous to conceive so much so that in many way the only difference between roush yates and trd is the factory it was made in and the sticker on the car
NASCAR is being stupid, the Cup cars NEED a LOT more horsepower!
It's not going to make a damn difference unless they go over a thousand horsepower and that's not happening
It will make a difference - NASCAR isn't listening.
The current cup engines are making closer to 700hp not 600hp. I believe it’s 670hp.
What a surprise… very competitive and well liked driver says more horsepower will fix the racing product without major increases in cost
NASCAR doesn’t care about you Tyler, or any of us fans, so I’d be careful about doing this ever again. It’s a known fact that a sensible driver making a concrete argument deserves a massive fine 🙄
NASCAR hasn’t acted about the drivers in a long time
The drivers don't know the cost like if there's things to change in the drive train that aren't cheap and of course they don't care about the cost and same with needing a fresh engine every week
Yeah he isn't the only driver to complain about HP. "Gutless Engines" was a remark made by a championship 4 guy.
Ignore John Haas. He's a nascar cuck. He'll defend the suit and ties like crazy. I think he's actually steve phelps.
Phelps and O'Donell don't listen they do whatever they want
Indy car almost has a thousand horsepower and Honda says it's too expensive and has even threatened to leave to Motorsports like our Nascar or spend more money and F1 where there's a bigger return
Yes, horsepower is expensive. But 1 hp costs more than 100hp.
No it's 1 is more expensive than 10 horsepower But that's only because everybody's trying to find that one horsepower but if you stop trying it's cheaper
Where is it more expensive? Dirt super late models are pushing more than 800 hp and not winning no where near the purse nascar does. Whats all them sponsors for? You don't get into racing to become rich...
Sponsors are paying what they used to at all drivers aren't even getting paid what they used to. Costs are up though as labor is higher along with technology cost and tires. Dirt super late model sure don't run the RPM's nascar cup series dose for 4hrs
Grandma's car has more hp than racing brands
Atleast they should let 'em run without the tapered spacer at the all star race at north wilkesboro.
Fans don't understand why high ticket prices don't equal money for the sport. It is hard to imagine all of the money in the sport, and they are trying to worry about the cost of the thing that makes the racing exciting. I think they need make the cars similar to what they were 30 years ago. 850 hp, narrower tires, and less downforce and give the driver the ability to drive the car.
850 hp everywhere except talledega and daytona, simple
It's never happening Because no manufacturer is going to allow it
@@johnhaas2523 they ran 900hp for almost a decade
@@timsautovision6145 yeah I know what times of change the cost of changed and Tell me what street car is still producing 900 plus horsepower that is being built today from the factory because I know the mustang dark horse isn't or the 2025 Toyota Camry
@johnhaas2523 hey dumb dumb this is racing not street cars. They had 800 hp and up since the early 2000s and pushed 900 until they brought the hp down for no reason. Everyone has stated hp does not cost anything since the cars can do it if they uncork them.
Should be 1150 everywhere if ya ask me. (Besides Daytona & Talladega obviously)
Has making the engines last X number of races actually saved teams money? Someone from the industry please answer that question.
Been saying it since the moment the cut the nuts off these engines. Also I prefer to run the gen 4 cup car on iracing over any of these nutless wonders nascar runs now. The extra HP makes it so much more fun and challenging
Street stocks at your local circle that have more HP. Come on NASCAR.
Cup cars should have 850-1000hp. This 550 package is a joke, the racing is terrible, and NASCAR will pay for if they don't pull their head out of their ass. It's the IROC series all over again.
Boy you're off by 120 horsepower. As in That's how much more horsepower they have than what you say they do. You must think teams have the money to afford 38 engines plus backup engines Because that's what it would be
Racing aint terriable the intermediates is it best as it ever been
OK, let me see if I've got this straight.
#1 )NASCAR believes the low HP engines saves the teams money.
#2) Pretty much everyone says increasing HP will improve short track racing.
#3) Even winning teams lose money in Cup Racing
#4) NASCAR popularity continues to decline despite NASCARS current efforts.
#5) NASCAR owns pretty much every revenue stream in the sport and doesn't share.
There is a clear solution
OPEN THE REVENUE STREAM TO THE TEAMS
#1 Now teams are profitable.
#2 Now you can increase the HP to provide a better product.
#3 Now you will have fans returning because of a better on track product.
Plenty of 3'rd generation family businesses out there but few 4'th generation family businesses. #'rd generations seem to be almost always incompetent and run the thing into the ground. That's why Henry, Edsel and The Deuce stand out.
You open the revenue streams you still got to find a way to keep the teams from just burning money because that's what they're going to do if there's no checks and balances and that's how they've gotten to this point along with sponsors not paying what they used to and that's what Steve phelps us talked about like with some sort of cap
@@johnhaas2523 In other words keep doing what you're doing despite the continuing decline of the sport. Keep doing what you're doing and keep producing LOUSY on track product and guarantee failure to change the disastrous demographic profile of the sport. STEVE PHIELLPS is a fool who is KILLING the sport. I watch NASCAR at a local sports bar with 12 TV's. 11 on stick and ball, one motor sport. NO ONE under 50 years old bothers with a NASCAR race. ...Keep listening to Steve Phelps and your kids won't have NASCAR to ignore.
@@markalbert9011 clown
@@johnhaas2523 Typical reply of dimwits who disagree but are to dim to defend their views
@@johnhaas2523 Another dimwit unable to defend his views. As Forrest's momma always says "Stupid is as stupid does".
WE WOULD PAY MORE TO WATCH
IF AND ONLY IF WE HAD MORE HORSEPOWER AND LOUDER PIPES!!!!
Tires would fall off better I e making the whole team step up and work to figure out the race as the day goes on. Making driver use gas to break timing
Everything changes with more pony’s
That tire and wheel are the stupidest ideas for a race car I've ever seen in Nascar. Whoever came up with that should have been fired on the spot.
The manufacturers wanted 18-in wheels and I assume they wanted tires that resemble for size what is on cars they build today and sell
NASCAR came up with it all - Not the manufactures.
More power, skinnier tires, harder tires that can endure some wheelspin here and there, and way less downforce.
20 years ago 1,000hp sounded like crazy power. Today you can buy a 1,000hp crate engine with a warranty. Now you need 1,500hp to be cool.
500hp is a joke
What kind of media company can’t even put up a virtual fireplace that doesn’t glitch and skip??😂😂😂 so distracting, my goodness
LISTEN TO HARVICKS INTERVIEW ABOUT ENGINES ON DALES SHOW
It only cost more to find one horsepower than 10 because that's exactly what people are trying to do is find one horsepower instead of just running what can get From that Target number of 670
It's not the horsepower.....sure it needs more no doubt about it!! But this damn wide ass low profile tire was a horrendous idea, and whoever engineered it should be fired
We absolutely care how much horsepower
Fans do not have the right to care
NASCAR Corporate Shills don't have the right to tell what the sport needs and doesn't need.
Nascar cup series has the same problem that every other premier race series has. No passing and boring races. Moto gp is no different. The best racing always seems to come from the lower series.
Unfortunately these days some track and series owners don't listen/care what the drivers want, and they think they know what the fans want. Even when you have a meeting with the drivers and still don't listen to what they want.
We need more horsepower, narrower tires, smaller brakes, 4 gears
Preach
They have the technology, why not use it ??😊
It's sad that Nascar runs 600hp engines is stupid, we can buy a factory car with 600hp for the street. Nascar needs to go back to real power engines
670. You just listen exactly why the manufacturers want the lower horsepower They want street Relevant
@johnhaas2523 being close to the street has nothing to do with reliability! If you don't believe me on that then ask yourself why high power subarus last longer then factory ones
If you don't have to use your foot to drive, are you even racing?
Insurance companies, accountants, lawyers, investment bankers do not need to be running a racing series. None of the current NASCAR execs. have ever had grease under their finger nails. 1000 HP NOW! Let's roll.
Jim France is in charge as CEO and chairman. Steve Phelps job is just the handle the business stuff and all the Vice Presidents report to him and Steve reports to Jim France and lesa France Kennedy. There is not one single investment banker involved in Nascar leadership.
Every time I hear these conversations just reaffirms how terrible the Next Gen car is
Clown
@@johnhaas2523 your absolutely right the next Gen car is the best generation car ever lol pull your head out of your ass long enough to take a breath there bud.
Preach
Yeah amazing to think that cost would be an excuse used from a sport that has begun making you buy multiple subscriptions to watch the extent of what NASCAR has to offer. When you used to run 1000hp cars on broadcast cable for everyone to enjoy. Just silly.
Nobody's forcing you to buy anything and a lot of people already got a subscription to Amazon prime and anything that's on max is going to be on TNT or trutv in 2025
1000hp wayyyyyyy to expensive for independent race teams
More horse power means more talent to handle the car overall or you crash. Wouldn’t it weed out the not so good with money and make space for those who can actually handle it. Better racing too.
Can nascar give the people what they want 😢
It doesn't make sense to have 1000+ horse power imo
Right. 2500+ HP!!!
Except for the safety features of today’s cars, we need to go back to the way it was prior to 1990. And I am not referring to just the cars. I mean everything! Watch a pre 1990 race here on UA-cam and you’ll see what I am talking about.
Why does it cost them double or triple what it cost a 600hp pavement super late model engine costs. It’s like $25k-$30k for a super late model engine and it’s a third of the cost of a cup engine that makes the same power. Pretty stupid if they want to be talking cost of things.
Manufactures is the reason why the block and heads are 20 K. It the biggest coast to the teams.
Also the engines are almost identical as they were 10 years ago 850hp+ 9500 rpm. Same block and heads they were all designed about 15 years ago.
Because you would need more engines instead of being able to run two races out of the same engine how many times like are required to now
you need to take away down force and add horsepower
We have to add it or it’s fkd
Steve Phelps has not impressed me whatsoever.
It's not his job to impress you because he doesn't decide on the horsepower He handles the business stuff
@@johnhaas2523 you’ve got to be the most annoying person ever! I’ve told you numerous times to quit harassing me. We don’t see eye to eye on anything. You must live to see how many people you can anger with your ignorance. Go away
Phelps is what is wrong with the sport.
@@stellingbanjodude He acts like some Corporate Shill across NASCAR related videos it's ridiculous isn't it
@@bowmanshowman48fan99 that makes sense, he’s probably Steve Phelps.
I’m tired of hearing about how much it cost when there getting 10 billion tv deals expecting a family where the husband and wife both work and struggle to get by these days. When my NA small block is making 750 800 hp and last dam good racing. Just sick of seeing NASCAR go backwards. Or about don’t give af anymore
Too much thinking and talking. Put solid rear suspension back in, take away 500 lbs, add more HP and have it sound bad ass that’s what most of us want. The rest just want electric race cars.
You're not getting away from the independent rear suspension Because that would be going away from more resemblance to what The street cars have
Preach Noah
Phelps and O'Donnell are everything wrong with this current clown show we call NASCAR.
Who cares about the price, if you can afford it build it, nascar was built on who had the biggest motor, bring what you got, and hope you brought enough
Tyler is talking in circle one hand he says we on the edges in the corner now but adding some HP want make much difference in corner speed now so I take it there not really on the edge now but it all aero race car who ever has that has the advantage that why they can't pass they all running the same speed, the truth NASCAR don't want higher HP there afraid it would scare off these other car manufacture from enter the sport.
If the fans want it why is it even a question. NASCAR is only concerned with what TV wants - and TV wants chaotic restarts where nobody can gain the upper hand without aero tricks.
It has nothing to do with TV over the horsepower whatsoever manufacturers have major say but so does cost And what's the point of increasing it if it's not going to make a difference unless you go over a thousand horsepower and that's never going to happen
@@johnhaas2523 how much cheaper are the engines now vs. say 5 years ago when they were running 750HP, or 10 years ago when they were running 900HP?
@@RoastBeefSandwichAll I know is it's more expensive to find one horsepower versus 10 but You don't need a new engine every week and nascar requires use the same long or short block for x number of races so 2 races basically for every engine for x number of races
Nascar aint sticking to tv in 2025
Seem they are trying SLOWY MOVE us to electric cars. I would never watch again if so nor follow anything remotely nascar
How much is enough? All of it. This is supposed to be the top level. How much teams can put to the ground and use without running out of fuel should be the limit. Or carry on. “We’ll never get back to where we were.” Sounds like the best days are long gone. Or how much would it appease fans to know we tried not to suck but failed? Pffft
Checking into the conversation about twice a year is probably more than enough. Just rename it F1 stock lite ultra or something at this point.
NASCAR has become purely an entertainment sport...this new car is one big entertainment defect. How does that work?
horsepower may save Nascar, but they've went so far down this BS road with this car, their demise may be inevitable.... I hate the new car til this day.... I have been an avid fan of Nascar for the last 40 years.... I hate the spoked wheels, the thin ass tires, getting towed because you had a flat, getting damage because of a flat, and the number placement.... the rest of it I can handle, but that isn't a "stockcar" to me.... I'd much rather watch the CARS tour....
Nice f****** joke
Nah bet u never saw 2014 when they gave out near 1000hp and the ratings are low still .
@@leg-h1l totally different race car now...
How about going back to real race modified STOCK cars
More hp will make a difference!!!!
No it won't And Tyler even said so
Yes it will
Big hp, wider tire!! The older drivers asked for a wider tire for years!! Did it happen....no!
Man that last part reminded me there were two times Kevin got screwed by a late race caution this last year. What a bummer for real man :( 4Ever a bummer