Yamaha NS-1000M Vintage Speaker Review
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- Review of the legendary Yamaha NS-1000M monitor speaker.
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I have a pair I bought in 1983. I love them and would never sell them. I run them through a Carver CT17 pre amp and Carver TFM35 amplifier 250w per channel. Sound is awesome at all volume levels.
Thanks for sharing!
how much difference does an amp make? sorry newbee here and i have a yamaha amp with mine
I have a pair of M’s that my Dad bought new in 79’ and I literally inherited them. And they literally in their later years never played them…..so for roughly 25 years they were dark..they still sound fantastic..I have the vintage Yamaha ca2010 and the MX system to drive them…they are my reference speakers ..
I also have a pair of NS-1000M speakers - S/N 19650L&R. I have used them since I bought them in the 70s.
With the current CD format revival. The NS1000Ms will be a killer in your system. I agree with all your observations. I own a pair. Its a bright speaker and being a monitor it is very revealing. if the recording is bad it will be a bad listening experience. when using vinyl if the record is dirty and it will be an annoying experience since the speaker will be over eager to reveal every little nook and cranny of that groove. i have a separate system with a warm 3 way sony speaker and i was surprised that I enjoyed listening to the same old used record on that system than the one equipped with the NS1000Ms. If the vinyl is new and clean it is a very enjoyable experience. With CDs however, It is a sweet speaker. CDs have a clean and clear sound and the NS1000Ms are such a treat to use with CDs Super clean, clear, intricate sounding speaker. Its just better to use with CD. If you are a vinyl lover you have been warned. Clean records ONLY
These speakers are true revelation. Nothing taken, nothing added, got two pairs of them, one hooked to Yamaha PC2002m and one to MX-1 and they remain unmatched with anything and everything to throw at them.
Is this good to match Ns1000m with Luxman 505x or 507x? please give me advices
There is actually an important reason that they are called "Bookshelf speakers": The sound is far superior, truly comes alive, when they are placed horizontally at a height of about 3', and the tweeters are separated by ~7'
Good review, but When I first got my NS-1000s a few years ago, I nearly sold them because they sounded so anemic and my friends all agreed, we were very disappointed. I was playing them with a 80 WPC Sansui AU-8500 (no slouch) and they were bad! I listed them for sale and got hits immediately, but all wanted me to ship them! As you stated in your video, they are solid and very heavy for their size, a testament to their build quality. I was considering shipping them, but before I decided to, I tried them with my big Sansui BA-5000, Monster 70s amp 300 WPC! I also placed them a little closer to the back wall, Bamm!! Holy S#!T Batman! I could not believe the difference! So much so that I called my friend at work and told him to come over after his shift and he was like well I have stuff to do... I cut him off and said you have to come, just 5 minutes! So he agreed, I sat him down and played, Dire Straits I believe, Private Investigations, A track we often used to test gear. Poor Steve couldn't speak! He sat there for over half an hour with his mouth nearly on the floor in total disbelief... I said see? He was like wow, what did you do? Are these the same speakers? I think you see what I'm saying, The Yammies are a much less forgiving speaker, but when placed and powered PROPERLY, hang on boys, we're going for a ride! I will NEVER sell these!
Thanks VERY much for the comments. I am actually about to swap out my test amp, so will give them another session with it and move them back near the wall a bit too. Will let you know how it goes! ;-)
Oh my head! I wish I new more about equipment! That comment is incredible! I myself inherited my Dads NS-1000's that I listened to as a teen in the 80's, they blow me away. I am only running them with a Yamaha receiver and I cannot put them past 10 oclock with 12 being half way up. The midrange is strong, Chris Cornell gets turned down a little LOL Do you put yours on normal level? The setting on the front of speaker?
@@chrissy1310 I usually have the high set to normal, but i do turn the mids down a bit. About -3, but my ears are quite sensitive to frequencies around 1000hz.
whats the best way to figure outplacement for these speakers?
I had them before, they have their own way of sounding, different than most of the other speakers from that time!
Very true, they certainly stand on their own.
I like how you said a veil was removed on the ns-1000 . Thats the same thing i have noticed comparing other speakers. The veil removal to me is all the detail that is revealed. Not sure why bright is an adjective used for the ns-1000. I find them articulate (part of that veil removal) and very accurate thoughout their bandwidth no matter the music material. Instrumentaly music is particularly satisfying . You can focus in on details that other speakers just dont reveal. I have had my pair from analog to digital and they made the transition flawlessy and still impress me to this day. The most standout of the ns-1000's performance for me is 1. They never bring focus to their flaws and the speaker itself disappears. 2. They are capable of delivering an emotional experiance. 3. I have never experiaced listener fatigue even after hours of crtical listening.
The veiled comment is quite accurate, but it does not equate to enjoyment. Our ears are all different, so what might be pleasant to you, may be irritating for me (and others). The NS-1000 seem to be a love it or hate it type of speaker for many. This is the reason why I always recommend hearing any speaker before buying if ever possible. Thanks so much for adding your experience.
Hi I'm 76 and I remember when these came on the market, I seem to remember
the average British HI-FI enthusiast and the magazines said they were too bright
and analytical being used to the warm and cuddly sound we were used to then.
I really quite liked them but I was used to the sound of big Tannoy 15 inch Duels
in shoulder high cabinets so they sounded a little small and dry, I did like the
midrange I think it was the fact they were threeways so one driver to handle the
whole of the mids not trying to get two drivers working near there their limits to
do the job and sounding different, needless to say I'm into point source speakers
still am even though the hearing is failing but the hearing aid helps. Good work
Glad I found you looking forward to more. Thanks.
Thanks for the comments! A new video is on the way today, so stay tuned.
People never know how to power the Ns-1000m's to get maximum performance. I use a tube pre-amp (audible illusions modulus 3a & a 30 watt all class A Pass Labs Aleph 30) Simply amazing in all categories! You can't power these with cheesy 1970-80's electronics and expect magic! Oh And I put Mcintosh in the cheesy category
The review was done using an Emotiva XPA2 300w stereo amp.
@@stereoniche I don't like digital amps for the Yamaha ns-1000m's either.....I am not the average Bear on these speakers, have owned and restored 12 different pairs in my life - over a 30 year period.
Yowwch… putting a Mac in Second Class Status…. Yikes… I can’t say that I’ve ever actually heard a gnat phart… so you’re way over my pay scale.
But I was an in demand Piano Tuner working with a large Steinway Dealership in College Park MD…. So there was a rumor going around that at least for a while I could hear….
@@SOLDbyYOU absolutely they are way overrated/overpriced light boxes. Much better sounding equipment for the same money new or used market.
These are near field speakers absolutely designed for an enclosed studio. The beryllium parts give an unmatched attack and lack of overhang. You will never hear a drum kit like you've heard it on these. Vocals are breathtakingly open, and I've always found the imaging pinpoint unlike this reviewer. The downside is the bass, which in a large room sounds weirdly dull and compressed. It's there but it ain't gonna shout about it and sounds unlike any other speaker I've ever heard. In the end the bass alone made me look for another solution, which was roll the bass off and use a sub with quite a high cutoff. Best of all worlds!
i agree....drum perc are snappy and fast attack. I use it for music production. I have paired them with 2 rel T7x subs with the SPL analog crossover....terrific fast and pumping bass, I dont get this with my listening room speakers with the Rel Carbon Specials........what Sennheiser hd650 is to headphones, NS1000M is for speakers
Mine were bought on base in Okinawa in 76. Absolutely love them and they haven’t missed a beat in all these years. Paid $550-money well spent. Would never part with them.
Set up properly, higher stands, 3 feet away from the back wall with AR big tube amps they will sing. I sold both the Yamaha and Advent back in the 70’s. I also owned a pair of IMF transmission lines.
Hi!, Interesting only because i have only just started to look and listen to UA-cam videos on the Yamaha ns1000m ( this is now Sept 2023 ) I have owned and built expensive speakers in the past. Funny that through pure interest I have bought a pair of ns1000m out of Japan ( due in country in 2 months ) My last project was to build the Troels Gravesen " Revelator 851 " DIY 3 way floorstanding loudspeakers ( great speakers by the way ) On his web site ( which covers everything about speakers ) I have noticed he has done an upgrade kit on the Yamaha ns1000m 😀( including one for the JBL L100, another classic loudspeaker ) He speaks highly of the ns1000m yet his newly designed crossover etc takes the speakers to another level ( I will definitely consider this upgrade after I have had them a little while and getting accustom to them. After all this if you still have the ns1000m's you may wish to investigate his upgrade, at least look it up...well worth it. Strangely enough I live in West Australia, we have here a audio tech " Liquid Audio " that has written a review/article and upgrades that he has done on his own pair of ns1000m's, well worth searching out on Google. Really look forward to these speakers landing. Cheers Alain
Hello Alain down under! Thanks for commenting. Let us know how your adventure goes with the NS100m, as you saw in my review, I personally found them bright, but others like that sound. On upgrades, as a collector, I tend to keep units as close to stock as possible. About the only mods I will make are upgraded caps and binding posts.
Good review. My cousin came into some money & asked me to put together a system for him I'd like to own (as he knew I was an audio freak.) I'll never forget the first time I heard the Yamaha's back in the day, so I found a pair of NS-1000M'S with the matching amp & preamp recommended by Yamaha at the time (can't remember which one's now.) They were shipped to my house, so I had a chance to listen to the speakers through my restored Sansui 9090db. Unfortunately... I was sadly disappointed. They were just WAY to bright for me. I compared them to my Dahlquist's DQM 9's & the Dahlquist's sounded much better to my ear's for a fraction of the price. Bottom line is... My cousin's very happy with his stereo & so am I, so all is good. 😊
Worked at a dealer who sold them. This impression comes from the deep dark history of the late 1970s so a memory more than a fair comparison. Ran through most of the speakers in our listening room against them (ADS, Polk, Cizek of the period). The one quality that stuck in my mind was the naturalness of male vocals. No bloat or chestiness. ....we also had the infamous NS-500. Heard them then and more recently. It amazes me they are from the same designer. Count me as a member group that despises NS-500, no comparison to the 1000s.
Thank you for adding to the dialog.
A lot of Yamaha speakers, particularly the cheaper models, get panned as horrible and sometimes deservedly. These look great. JBL's L 100s must've been part of the inspiration. True classic.
Another great review Scott. I have not heard those speakers before, but your review sounds "spot on" based on them having beryllium mids and tweeters. That is a common description of the high end of speakers with Be drivers. Very detailed and a tad bright without being fatiguing. Look forward to the next one!
Thanks Robert!
Only heard them at my local stereo store back in the day. My memories center on the bright liveliness. Have to add I was running stacked Advents at the time!
I plan to give the stacked Advents a try down the road. On my list! :-)
I used to have the 1000M, and I did like Advent. Both are good I'm sure, fair comparison. I powered them with Pioneer M-22 Class A through Yamaha C4 (C2 was much better but too expensive). These speakers ar for all music genres, I love them so much.
Just have to comment on the C-2 vs C-4, I have both and the C-4 outshines the C-2 by a mile, sonically and features wise
I have a pair. First, you need to put speakers on their sides, tweeter on the inside, that would improve the imaging. Second, stands need to be very sturdy, preferably concrete blocks, positioned very close to the back wall. That would improve the bass considerably. Third, you definitely have to put felt rings (available online) on the tweeter to prevent noticeable diffraction and make them sound "sweeter". These speakers also require top-notch amp, preferably class A push-pull tube amp, 30w is enough. Midrange driver goes 500hz to 6khz, which is basically almost full range - vary rare!
Some fairly simple modifications of the crossover are also helpful, lots of info available online. These speakers can do fantastic dynamics and unmatched low distortion, which basically results in natural, hyper-realistic sound. Only the imaging is good but not great, which is typical of all wide baffle speakers.
You mean if I do all of those modifications they will then sound good? :-) Only kidding you, of course. Thanks for adding your knowledge and experience to the comments!
@@stereoniche The worst thing about NS1000m is that, once properly set up, thay will allow you to hear everything that is wrong with the rest of your system. For example, you can hear differences between different RCA plugs, signal wire insulation, etc.
Do you have a picture of the felt rings on the tweeter? Can't find them online.
@pr8232 I bought them a while ago, not sure if available anymore. You can easily make them from 5mm thick wool felt ( real wool, not synthetic). Cut a piece with square hole in the middle.
Put it over tweeter and midrange. It is important to cover those screws, they are the source of diffraction.
Interesting review.
I've had my pair from brand-new in 1983 & they've never failed to impress.
I don't know though, how you can judge them more or less the same for style as the Advent speaker.
The Advent - especially with the cover removed, is a train wreck compared to the Yamaha - it's like comparing one of the three ugly sisters to Raquel Welch.😃
One point which you almost touched upon, was the tweeter position - no-one seems to agree which speaker should be positioned left or right, for maximum effect.
I found they are best suited, tweeters inboard, with both speakers about 24 inches from the back wall, but away from the corners of the room.
No creature or object could ever be compared to the unmatched beauty of the late Raquel Welch! Not in "1,000,000 years"! 😀
@@stereoniche LOL
Great review, I 've had JBL's,I've even built my own.I've got to say that these Yamaha's NS 1000 Re the best I've owned.Maybe because I got two of them and a pioneer 220 W recover at a yard sale for $ 50.00.
Love your vintage reviews! You've got a new subscriber in me!
Welcome aboard!
The Yamaha ns 1000 get along very well with tube equipment (Cayin cs-55a for example with KT 88) With tube pre and transistorized power: Yamaha, Bryston, Nakamichi, Sansui, etc. 200 o 300 watts x channel better, because they are a bit hard. Greetings
I am using my NS-1000's with Van Alstine (updated Dynaco) tubed gear, and could not be happier.
I wanted a pair of those, but got a pair of Tannoy SRM-12 Little red.
The Yamaha 1000 speaker actually started out at a $690 list price according to an Audio Magazine Annual Equipment Directory from back then. The star of the system was supposed to be the midrange driver. There were enough tweeters made of thin enough diaphrams; Infinity's Emit tweeter and Pioneers high polymer molecular film tweeter, Sony's biocellulose tweeter, & the ESS Air Motion Transformer tweeters etc. Depth imaging, ability to not sound like a box and not the best bass in the world were it's main problems. The best woofer tweeter speaker of the 1970s, which came late in the decade and would still be an astonishing speaker today was probably the Watson Labs model 10. It was made in Canada by Dayton Wright, who previously only made electrostatic speakers. It had a seperate bass cabinet mounted below each panel which was injected with heavier than air gas, meant to improve woofer motion. It was the best bass I ever heard and the best speaker by far that I ever heard at the time. It showed me all the things my speaker was doing wrong in no uncertain terms.
I'll have to do some research on that Watson Labs model 10, I've never heard of it.
@@stereoniche I was pretty young when I heard the Watson Labs. They are as rare as hens teeth. Up there with Condor Acoustics, Goetz etc. Never seen them advertised used. Their most popular speaker was the model 7 at $1200, which looked like a smaller model 10 and also had the gas filled cabinet. Sometimes I still wonder if that wasn't the best speaker I ever heard. I asked a competing stores salesman, who sold Dahlquist if the Watson Labs were better than the Dahlquist dq10 they carried. There was a long pause like he was considering a lie to make a sale, but then reluctantly said "The model 10s are better." Figuring they would be well out of my price range and not knowing if I ever heard the model 10. The whole line was better than Dahlquist, and Dahlquist was a very fine speaker.
Put the tweeter and the mid range on the inside rather than on the outside. If placed right, the asymmetric design greatly increases the imaging.
I did try them in both positions.
I completely agree. It's a must, and that's how I use both the 1000m and the 500M speakers that I am fortunate to have.
I have heard the NS-500 and had a similar impression.
I've not yet had the pleasure of hearing a set myself.
I own both, and the 500M to me is a totally different animal. The 500M is a lot warmer sounding, and hits lower in the bass region, while retaining the fast, airy and transparent highs of its big brother. Much more colored than the neutral and flat 1000M's.
Id like to compare these to the Pioneer HPM-100 and HPM-1100 which I own.
Bring them over and we can do just that! :-) I've had the HPM-100 prior, if I get another set, I'll see about givng them a head to head comparison.
An old high school buddy of mine back in the mid 1970's purchased these (in black) and still has them. He's had to refoam the woofer a few times. Can't say I liked the sound myself but he still does and that's all that matters. I remember they were very expensive for their time.
Thanks Patrick, yes, they were a bit costly in their day.
These speakers don't have foam surrounds.
@@chadrobinson7234 - Regardless whatever they're made of, they degraded and crumbled.
Does anyone know how the Yamaha NS 1000m compares to the Wharfadale Linton Heritage?
Unfortunately, I have not heard the Lintons, so maybe some others can chime in and relay their experience.
@@stereoniche Ok, thanks anyway.
The NS-1000M’s are much better. The Lintons have a very warm sound with rolled off treble. The bass is ok but sometimes bloated, as you get with ported enclosures sometimes.
The NS1000M lacks some low end bass, but it is very tight and accurate. Overall just a much better speaker both in sound and build quality.
Thanks. I already have the Lintons, I just wondered, I read so many good reviews about the Yam NS1000M, even been rated as the one of or the best of all time.
These were very, very expensive when new.
Yes they were.
Awesome review. Please keep it up!
Much appreciated!
I have a pair. LOVE them for what they are: the best of their time. Beryllium drivers were the pinnacle of late 70's driver technology but the cost killed the NS-1000M. I have heard that even though they were priced well above most other speakers, Yamaha was losing money on them. You might consider upgrading the crossover capacitors to improve imaging. I have seen videos on how to do this for the NS-1000M. I haven't gone there, but did do the upgrade on some Heresy's which improved their performance. But basically I think older 3-way speakers can't image/focus as well as, say the newer KEF LS-50, where the tweeter is in the center of the midrange driver. Co-locating drivers (or, like in high-end speakers, compensating by separate positioning) seems to give better imaging.
Quite the iconic speaker, indeed. Yes, I do occasionally recap some of my speakers, not convinced these would see significant improvement or not, but a worthy consideration. I may do a shoot out with some other monitors just for fun.
Very good review I would love to see one against the l100
If I get my hands on a set, will certainly review them! :-)
Over twenty years ago and well before the internet became the great knowledge equalizer, I bought a pair of AR3a speakers at a local school yard sale…for $40… and I didn’t know what I had bought either . Immediately the pots / pads were my bane and they were relegated to my basement.
But of course the internet is the new Age of Enlightenment… and I discovered what I had…. But the pots were troublesome and they just weren’t living up to the hype….
So just a few years ago I opened them up and disassembled the pots and re-capped the cross overs. Are they the best speakers in the world ? The truth is for those on that hunt, the next speakers… the ones just out of reach… like my buddy’s NS1000s…. There will also be “ another speaker”…
BUT with the re-jabbed crossovers…. Of all things to demo…. Moody Blues, Days of Future Past…. ALL / ANY of the orchestral sections…. That album was made for these speakers and these speakers were made for that album. Frankly some of the album and music is delicious only because it takes me back 50 years. But… the orchestral sections…. Joy.
Speaking of demo audio…PLEASE DO NOT…DO…NOT…rely on You Tube Audio when you are searching for great sound. You Tube intentionally sacrifices “ detailed audio information” to save on file size , storage capacity and transmission speed…. They “ COMPRESS” the audio.
If you are not sure that you understand compression…. Which camera might you expect to render the picture with better detail…? A one megapixel camera? Or a twenty megapixel camera.?…. That is not a rough comparison that is an Exact comparison… with Audio Compression ( think “ MP3”) you can pack a lot more music on to your thumb drive but with a HUGE loss in fidelity.
The real version of Aaron Copeland “Fanfare for the Common Man”…. NO…version on UA-cam is acceptable…. But a true HI -Fi version….( and not Emerson Lake and Palmer)
That is a great song for depth, stage, and dynamic range… plus acoustic clarity… you sound be able to PICK OUT the multiple trumpet vs the trombones and their perfectly in tune dissonances. You should be able to hear the attack and then the swell of the TamTam ( what you think of as a “Gong” is actually a TamTam) You’ve heard about exposing your weak system?…. Because there are many places in this song that are FULL of open space…. With a great audio system and a great audio source… you can ( should) be able to hear the stage, and the back wall..and pick out individual instruments…
When you really want to compare your audio system..Search for other audio sources that open boast higher fidelity . CDs, Albums, Wave files are all higher fidelity than MP3.
please please someone contribute, offer clarification and correction. if I made a statement in error…. I would rather that we ALL benefit from an offering to “ improve” on my comments.
My speakers, name, condition and notes approx date of build price I paid and date bought
AR3a…dates early 1970(?)...with new caps and VERY restores pots ( $40.. 1996)
Smaller Advent , fried Egg tweets 1974 ( ish) ( new crossover caps on the way) ( $40..1975)
JBL 56… date un known minor cabinet water damage on bottom but all ok.. new x over soon, bought $40 pawn shop 1995
Yamaha HS-8 road rash , missing volume knobs but work great, just bought 2021, pawn shop $300
Two different 8” Yamaha powered subs ( in different rooms) . Both with the crossover point medium high to unload the ARs and the JBLs. The Yamaha subs both have active dampening. (;look that up.. it really helps to add bass but avoid mud)… and When you adjust the volume on the sub… turn it up until you hear it… then turn it down just to where you “ can’t hear it”… if you CAN hear your sub… it’s too loud for most music..and you lose clarity ... ( my opinion) ( just like “if you can taste the salt in your food you’ve added too much salt”)
And last but significantly …ReSound Hearing Aids 2017… I was SHOCKED at the detail I had been missing. Frankly the price is highway robbery. But I hear birds, crickets, ride cymbals and my bass drum pedal squeaking ….. and I can hear the back of the stage through my ARs…and I can hear the HS8s like I’m standing at the receiving end of Dirty Harrys Magnum.. I’m not referring to the VOLUME…I’m talking about the “ In your face” presence.
NS1000s… ? sure…. I wish… but my ARs…. I’m good.
I liked my AR3As, I fully restored them and even have a couple youtube vids of them, but I still have my NS1000s. The ARs went to a good home :)
i have the 1000x I like them with subwoofers and I'm thinking of triamping them
Tri-amping. Wow, that is a lot of gear for one set of speakers. Let us know how you like the results.
Why get into the system when the engineers calculated everything themselves?!
cause time changes over 40 years @@Jorik24
I measured my crossovers. All capacitors are excellent in resistance and capacity.@@robtremble2277
Great review, it's a very long time ago i heard them but i remember the sound and your assessment is spot on i think. I love the dom mid range and it's wide dispersion which stands out to almost any cone driver. The integration between the woofer and mid was in my memory not it's strong point. The large woofer could not catch up with the fast dome mid and the low mid range felt thin and lacking. I use a Dynaudio D54 dome mid and these drivers do not do very well under 1 KHz. They are to small and lack excursion.
Thanks for commenting!
something must be wrong with your pair.....they have fast low end with quick attack.
i have to NS 690 but moving them on top on empty speaker box's on fell on my head and pushed in the woofer and is locked now and the crossovers short circuit on the other side. so, one only works. Tube amps are not very bass heavy. solid state is the way to go. none fuse amp is deep. They are monitors not hi fi. i always wanted to get the 1000m as a starting out producer. The Yamaha ns 690 are nice too.
three feet way from the wall is suggested.
i want to get the shiny 2000 woofers.
Great review!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I live in France and the only pair for sale are over 1.000 euro! That’s a lot of money. This vintage thing is killing my passion. I shall find a pair in a thrift store ….
Just think what 1,000 euros can actually buy in today's High-end market.
If any company was brave enough to match the build quality & content of the Yamaha NS 1000 speakers, they would have to charge at least 15 times that amount at todays prices.
£1,000 in 1974 is equivalent to over 15,000 now.
1800-3200 € in germany.
Don't stop looking, the 1000M's are absolutely worth the effort.
@@user-bc6ok1yh4s pair doing for 1.800 euro this week ….
You won't find these in a thrift store, they're way too iconic! 1000 bucks isn't much these days, but you absolutely have to hear before you buy; as per this reveiwer they might not be what you expected.
Its a collectible speaker. Were comparing technology from the 80s to 2000s.
They have their strengths but the poor imaging really rules them out as serious stereo speakers.Especially poor centre fill and depth.Probably fine for surround sound with a good centre speaker.
Oh one more thing…if you have $15 grand, Yamaha makes the next Gen NS-5000 speakers and they’re even better…
There is a pair on eBay now for just $12k, hurry! :-)
I believe you, but I'll stick with my 1000M's.
Hi Scott! This is a great video but it left me with a question: Since it's a vintage rarity, would you consider upgrading them with better quality components in regard to the crossover. My question is: Do you simply like them as they are, or do you wish to try and get the most of what those puppies can bring? Thanks.
Hi Yves! Great question! My personal philosophy is to keep most gear as close to what the engineer developed as much as possible. This is mostly with regard to keeping the sound signature the same, physical mods like binding posts, etc. are usually an improvement. From a collector perspective, this will most often maintain any value associated to its collectibility. If you are just replacing components, like caps, with better quality and not re-engineering it, you are absolutely fine. If it is tinkering with the crossover points to "improve" the sound, then I think you may find that the speakers have a smaller audience for resale. That is just my opinion as a collector. You can certainly do with them whatever you like. The good news is that you can always revert them back to original, if needed. Hope that answers your question!
Thanks ! Yes it does answer my question. Personally, I know I always want the best sound possible out of a system. The old sound signature certainly have its charm but most of them were not very linear in response and had other flaws like cabinet resonances and limited soundstaging. I believe that if engineers had access to the kind of technology we have today, they would avail their creations of all the possibility it offers. That is my opinion of course. It is true in regard to the resale point, it might be better to leave them untouch. Bye!@@stereoniche
Could you please review the Yamaha CA-2010 amp?
I have one I would like to review, but I am missing the volume knob!
gr research danny upgrade mod easy to do crossover upgrade kit
Hi,I have pioneer hpm 60 second generation it's sounds amazing but always loved yamaha ns-1000m my question is how much different sounds between those. Thanks
I've not done a head to head, but they are completely different speakers going from memory. I've listened to HPM-100 more often, but in general, they are less bright despite having two tweeters.
I believe their 6 ohms I may be mistaken.
On my set, 8 ohms is actually printed on the back panel. Possible some later iterations were 6 ohm, potentially.
My pair has 8 ohms printed on the rear label.
Hi,
Thank you so much for the review. Can you please review the very first generation NS690 I (hole in the woofer's dust cap) I have subscribed you.
Thank you 👍
Unfortunately, I do not currently have that model, but will once I get a pair. Thanks for subscribing!
@@stereoniche Thank you so much
Are going to sell the Pioneer elite ZT-9's?
Asking since that is the only component I'm missing as I use DSS-9 for my Elite system.
Not yet. But, once I review the TZ-9 LTD set, I will probably let go of one of them. Just not sure when that will be.
So a world renowned berrylium midrange driver didn't significantly beat a speaker that doesn't even have a midrange driver?? The description of their tonal character to me sounds like it was a speaker just begging for a tube amp. I have never heard so much conflicting testimony about a speaker. Everything from they're too bright and showy to they're one big bore. I wonder if that berrylium tweeter didn't blow out a lot and some people were hearing them with no working tweeter? I did hear the NS 500 and they did impress me, although at the time my evaluation probably was not top notch. They came out with a speaker called the NS 500M, which unlike the 500, was a 3 way using titanium drivers. Some say they like it better than the 1000, even though it falls slightly short of it on detail. A local dealer when people would bring their speakers in to compare with what the store carried, said the Advents would make the other speakers all sound nasal. Except for Dahlquists which used many of the same drivers as the Advent.
Indeed, still very surprising to me how they faired against the Advents.
I have had 2 sets of Dahquist DQ-10s, both fully restored, Great speakers, and the Yamahas (unrestored) imaged just as well if not a little better. It is difficult to compare the Yamahas to anything really, because they are different and react differently to the same setups as other speakers. When you hear them properly, you will know.. :)
To me the drivers were like electrostatics, but with volume. Whats not to like?!
This guy cannot hear. I own both large Advents and Yamaha NS 1000 Monitors. The Advent is not even in the same league. Go get a better amplifiers before you do a review. The most reasonable amplifier for Yamaha speaker is a Bryston B60R. Used around $1000 and you will be very hard pressed to find better sonics unless you spend a fortune. My Advents are great but do not even compete with the Yamaha. You are simply missing lots musical information with the Advents. If want even more performance out of the Yamaha NS 1000 buy a Pass Labs INT 25. It will cost multiples of dollars before you get better.
Those are all very good suggestions. The original Audiolab 8000 Int. amplifier was voiced with the Yamaha NS-1000M speakers, so it should be a fine choice as well.
Son parlantes con 50 años encima, se le hizo un recap ? Como probar la calidad de algo con componentes fuera de valor ? No es serio.
JBL....
Read the gr research Review to this speakers. 🤔🤔🤔
Actually, I watched most of their video on them which seems to explain the technical reasons why I really didn't like them so much. Their mods seems to address the NS-1000 shortcomings, so worth a look if you plan to make them your primary speaker.
GR marketing , no thanks
Vintage speakers can't compete with GOOD new speakers. I hit my HDF speaker box with a hammer and the hammer broke (no resonances).
Hmm, well, maybe anger management classes are better? 🙂
LOL@@stereoniche
I've seen NS-1000M re-caps. I was stunned at the cheap electrolytic caps they used on such an expensive speaker. Even A/D/S (Braun) and Gale used tight tolerance caps and had a radically lower price. Yes, I found the A/D/S to sound head and shoulders better than the Yamaha in every way. Be to me is a gimmick, and doesn't represent the best driver sound at all. That includes now in speakers like focal and Wilson audio. Yamaha bass was inarticulate, one-note and not that deep or potent. JBL L-80T bass reached deeper and was much more potent and articulate. BTW: I was in Japan when the MS-1000M were new on the market. My reaction then and now, is unfortunately, "Meh". I could NOT live with these at all. Even the polk monitor 10 with the Peerless tweeter were more satisfying and musical. As a monitor? It's a total joke compared to Dynaudio, focal, genelec or mackie.
Thanks for chiming in Scott. We seem to find the same type of speakers more appealing. I've never run across any Gale speakers though. Planning to review some ADS soon.
@@stereoniche Re-capping ADS is kind of futile. My L-710 were so well engineered, even the cabinets had separate chambers inside. The caps (IIRC). were 5% tolerance polyester. Modern metal-poly MIGHT be more neutral...or not. They were obviously LOW ESR and the sound was very revealing and of low coloration. The dome tweeter and mid were excellent. The "Stifflite" woofers provided a very nice, even and articulate bass. They didn't try to fake deep bass. IMO, they are a step up from Polk.
As to Gale--- good luck finding them. They are like a forgotten diamond of the era.
This info is not correct: All the capacitors in the Ns1000M crossover are high-quality film caps, except for the bass driver. Also, the crossover is as simple as you can get for a 3-way speaker, which helps with transparency.
The silver mid range capacitors are NOT electrolytic. They’re Nichicon paper film in oil caps. Very high quality. Only the woofer and tweeter have electrolytics.
Not true, the caps on the 1000M are of better quality than anything manufactured today. Tho they should be checked due to their age.
Looking at a pair of NS 6161 tomorrow here in Australia...Im curious as to how these series of speakers will handle 90' Doom Metal? Im wanting a deep analog sound with warmth!
Unfortunately, I have never heard a pair, so cannot relay any thoughts, but perhaps someone else can chime in and let you know.